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[CapnJB]

-Breno Giacomini- he is possible the dumbest human being on planet earth. I will poke my eyes out if he gets another penalty for running into a pile at full speed after the whistle.

No kidding.... you'd think he be too tired after all the holding...

 

[proninja]

While I do think the Seahawks should win this game, it's no guarantee, and I think a good portion of fans are a little overconfident.

Overconfident? They just ended a season where they smashed the Cardinals 58-0, won at Buffalo 50-17, and nuked the 49ers from space 42-13. Sure, I bet there is some overconfidence after watching those games.

I feel like the Seahawks *should* win this game, and if they play like they did in that stretch they will win the game, but it's maybe a little better than a coin flip on a good day. I feel about this game roughly like Vegas does. No room in there for being overconfident.

 

[MikeApf]

In analysis of your own team what do they do that pisses you off? I would be curious to hear what Redskin fans get pissed about or even Seahawk fans but I imagine Hawk fans share some of my own feelings posted below.

-Refuse to Blitz- you will never see this team blitz....maybe once every few games. They 100% rely on their front four to get to the QB. I would just like to see it every once in awhile to throw people off.

-Marcus Trufant- he is the nickle corner and is absolute garbage. Hopefully with Browner back Trufant never see's the field again in a seahawks uniform as they can use Lane at the nickle (I pray).

-Run, Run, Pass- this happened a lot more in the early portions of the season but even if the run game was ineffective they would call two straight runs and put Wilson in 3rd and long. Just mix it up.

-Field Goals- We don't try 50 yard field goals. Apparently Hauschka has the weakest leg in the NFL.

-Breno Giacomini- he is possible the dumbest human being on planet earth. I will poke my eyes out if he gets another penalty for running into a pile at full speed after the whistle.

The main thing that has frustrated me this year is really personell related. I know that the Redskins didn't have a lot of cash to work with after receiving the salary cap penalty but I think they really dropped the ball not shoring up the secondary more. If they were better in the secondary, I think they would be a real threat to contend. On the other hand, everyone also said they had to add offensive linemen and it turns out that the current group has done well, so go figure. But I guess my main frustration has been the team's penchnt for leaving certain areas of the team weak, though the further we get from the Cerrato years, the better it's getting.In terms of game planning/play calling, I'd say that last year and early in the year, one of the most frustrating things is that Haslett throws in SO MANY blitzes that at times he's left the weak secondary vulnerable to the big play. They seem to be trying to change that but even against Dallas they really rolled the dice by having Hall cover Byrant one on one. Last year, that very same match up, coupled with "zero coverage" scheme, cost Redskins a game vs. Dallas when Bryant burned Hall toward the end of the game. This kind of "feast or famine" approach makes me nervous. On the other hand, I think Haslett feels he has to do this because the Skins just don't put up enough pressure with their front group and their secondary isn't good enough holding down receivers if the QB has lots of time. So, I think he thinks he's doing what "he has to do."

They are getting better, I think...but those two things have made me nervous...

 

[biju]

I thought this thread might be a good read. I was wrong. When did Seahawk fans become all become over-confident windbags? It reminds me of when the Pats started winning and all their insufferable fans came out of the woodwork. Oof.

Is it all the rain that makes you guys such complete dooshbags?

Here's what makes Seahawks fans seem overconfident...1. The Seahawks have never been projected to win the NFC West, at least from a majority standpoint.2. I can't tell you how many times people stated that Pete Carroll was "on the hot seat" this year. Every time it came up it was clear people didn't know what they were talking about.3. There is a significant feeling of East Coast Bias in the PNW. We see teams like the Cowboys and Jets constantly in the news and if there is a big Seahawks win it gets overshadowed quickly by something else.4. Every time the Seahawks get good, people immediately turn to the "how many Superbowls have you won?" statement. It's already happened in this thread too, like that is some sort of badge you get that allows you to be a serious fan. 5. I'm The Scientist6. Our general inability to let comments go without a counter-argument.7. We apply every thread on this board to the Seahawks and insert them into the conversation. It sucks, and I do it too on accident from time to time.8. Our love of Russell Wilson and general belief that he should be in the conversation for OROY. Honestly I feel like Wilson is not the best athlete of the three, but he seems to be the smartest of them and certainly the most prepared.Seattle is one of the least talked about teams and certainly has one of the lowest fanbases (in size) in the league. We've been on the losing side of bad calls throughout the franchise's history but somehow one call has changed all of that in people's minds. When it happened in XL we were called whiny. When it happened in the Packers game we were called whiny. It's the weirdest thing that people really take it both ways against the Seahawks and their fans.Feel free to call me a "windbag" or "dooshbag" (how the hell does anyone misspell ########, by the way?) if you'd like--I really don't care. But it certainly doesn't help your arguments one bit when you need to resort to namecalling. Actually, it makes me feel like you're nervous about the upcoming game or upset that <insert non-playoff overhyped team> isn't getting all of the attention they are accustomed to.It's too bad--I thought this thread was going to be fun. I'll just sit on the sidelines and wait for the outcome, however I suspect no matter how the game ends there will be more of the same, just with a different set of opposing fans.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I thought this thread might be a good read. I was wrong. When did Seahawk fans become all become over-confident windbags? It reminds me of when the Pats started winning and all their insufferable fans came out of the woodwork. Oof.

Is it all the rain that makes you guys such complete dooshbags?

Here's what makes Seahawks fans seem overconfident...1. The Seahawks have never been projected to win the NFC West, at least from a majority standpoint.

2. I can't tell you how many times people stated that Pete Carroll was "on the hot seat" this year. Every time it came up it was clear people didn't know what they were talking about.

3. There is a significant feeling of East Coast Bias in the PNW. We see teams like the Cowboys and Jets constantly in the news and if there is a big Seahawks win it gets overshadowed quickly by something else.

4. Every time the Seahawks get good, people immediately turn to the "how many Superbowls have you won?" statement. It's already happened in this thread too, like that is some sort of badge you get that allows you to be a serious fan.

5. I'm The Scientist

6. Our general inability to let comments go without a counter-argument.

7. We apply every thread on this board to the Seahawks and insert them into the conversation. It sucks, and I do it too on accident from time to time.

8. Our love of Russell Wilson and general belief that he should be in the conversation for OROY. Honestly I feel like Wilson is not the best athlete of the three, but he seems to be the smartest of them and certainly the most prepared.

Seattle is one of the least talked about teams and certainly has one of the lowest fanbases (in size) in the league. We've been on the losing side of bad calls throughout the franchise's history but somehow one call has changed all of that in people's minds. When it happened in XL we were called whiny. When it happened in the Packers game we were called whiny. It's the weirdest thing that people really take it both ways against the Seahawks and their fans.

Feel free to call me a "windbag" or "dooshbag" (how the hell does anyone misspell ########, by the way?) if you'd like--I really don't care. But it certainly doesn't help your arguments one bit when you need to resort to namecalling. Actually, it makes me feel like you're nervous about the upcoming game or upset that <insert non-playoff overhyped team> isn't getting all of the attention they are accustomed to.

It's too bad--I thought this thread was going to be fun. I'll just sit on the sidelines and wait for the outcome, however I suspect no matter how the game ends there will be more of the same, just with a different set of opposing fans.

Cowboys love= East Coast Bias!

Also, I'm gonna need you to remind me about the ball call that cost you a game vs the Packers. Because when I Google "Seahawks Packers bad call" I get a different result.

 

[mad sweeney]

The guy runs for 63 and a TD and people still say he is hobbling - maybe so, but I think that any NFL team would take a QB that can run for 63 every week . . .

My opinion: RGIII definately looked slower and less explosive running the ball. But it was amazing how efffective he was against the Cowboys. Also, the read option has confounded defense ends and outside linebackers all season. So even running at half speed, he can easily run around a frozen DeMarcus Ware or Jason Pierre-Paul. They are not even blocked on many plays.

The mid-season adjustment that the team went through to somewhat emulate the success of G3 will be exceptionally helpful to the D for having practiced against it for so long already. Of course, the same is true of the Redskins D. One great advantage the Seahawks have over the Cowboys (other than not being hindered by Romo) is the speed of the ends. Irvin and Clemons rely on speed moreso than power and with a gimpy RG3 that should help keep him from getting the edges and force him to run up the middle and expose himself to getting hit by the Legion of Boom. He'd better learn to slide.

There's no DE or LB fast enough to stop even a gimpy RGIII from getting to the edge when they get caught flat footed. Did you see how stupid Ware looked the other night?

Ware was a shadow of himself the other night. Some of the times G3 was scrambling the other night it looked like Brian Urlacher could catch him.

I think looks are a bit deceiving. Griffin isn't announcing when he keeps the football. He waits for the end to guess wrong and then he takes the edge. I'm sorry but if you think someone like Clemons is going to be able to peek at Morris and then still catch RGIII before he gets the corner, you're mistaken.

He's not?! Nothing you say here contradicts what I said. I'm sure keeping Griffin running up the middle will be a priority. That means letting others (LBs and DTs) deal with the middle. The ends will be there, as I said, to keep Griffin from the edge. That doesn't mean they'll shut him down completely and he'll never get out there. I just said that it would be an advantage.

Unless it's a QB draw around the goal line, RGIII doesn't really run up the middle. If the seahawks want to take the edges away, it will be Morris that will be running up the middle, not Griffin.

You're not understanding my point.

 

[dgreen]

Despite an improved defense (which is all they could do after that horrid start this season), my main frustration is the defense's inability to close out a game. They even let Nick Foles with a broken hand drive down inside the 10 with a chance to tie a game. And, he would have tied it had he not badly underthrown (probably due to the broken hand) a wide open receiver in the endzone.

 

[ImTheScientist]

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

It's perfectly possible to both think that Seattle has been a better team and a better bet to make a Super Bowl run while still thinking they are a somewhat favorable matchup for the Redskins.

Seattle is 27th in the league in passing yardage. And I understand all the caveats. That they have been very efficient passing the ball. That Wilson tied the rookie TD pass record. That they run the ball well and may be able to do so against the Skins.

But the one thing I know the Skins are vulnerable to is quarterbacks who are able to throw 35+ times a game and who will fit it into spaces. I don't doubt that Wilson may be able to do that, but it's not the way Seattle has played to date, and I imagine it's not what they'd prefer to do. Seattle is less likely than Atlanta or Green Bay (for example) to just come out and exploit the Skins' biggest weakness. Which means that I think there is a decent chance the game remains close. And if the game is close, both teams have a decent chance.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It's perfectly possible to both think that Seattle has been a better team and a better bet to make a Super Bowl run while still thinking they are a somewhat favorable matchup for the Redskins.

Seattle is 27th in the league in passing yardage. And I understand all the caveats. That they have been very efficient passing the ball. That Wilson tied the rookie TD pass record. That they run the ball well and may be able to do so against the Skins.

But the one thing I know the Skins are vulnerable to is quarterbacks who are able to throw 35+ times a game and who will fit it into spaces. I don't doubt that Wilson may be able to do that, but it's not the way Seattle has played to date, and I imagine it's not what they'd prefer to do. Seattle is less likely than Atlanta or Green Bay (for example) to just come out and exploit the Skins' biggest weakness. Which means that I think there is a decent chance the game remains close. And if the game is close, both teams have a decent chance.

Good points.I'm still leaning betting the under rather than either side.

 

[Riversco]

While I do think the Seahawks should win this game, it's no guarantee, and I think a good portion of fans are a little overconfident.

Overconfident? They just ended a season where they smashed the Cardinals 58-0, won at Buffalo 50-17, and nuked the 49ers from space 42-13. Sure, I bet there is some overconfidence after watching those games.

I feel like the Seahawks *should* win this game, and if they play like they did in that stretch they will win the game, but it's maybe a little better than a coin flip on a good day. I feel about this game roughly like Vegas does. No room in there for being overconfident.

There's what makes it hard to figure out this game. People who think that was just a hot stretch and not reality will complain that some Seahawk fans are overconfident. Others who think that does actually represent where the team is will complain that some Seahawk fans are not confident enough.Do you think that stretch was real? I think its real. They've grown a lot this season, and they are way closer to being that than some scrappy team that will get bounced by a 10-6 playoff team.

 

[proninja]

While I do think the Seahawks should win this game, it's no guarantee, and I think a good portion of fans are a little overconfident.

Overconfident? They just ended a season where they smashed the Cardinals 58-0, won at Buffalo 50-17, and nuked the 49ers from space 42-13. Sure, I bet there is some overconfidence after watching those games.

I feel like the Seahawks *should* win this game, and if they play like they did in that stretch they will win the game, but it's maybe a little better than a coin flip on a good day. I feel about this game roughly like Vegas does. No room in there for being overconfident.

There's what makes it hard to figure out this game. People who think that was just a hot stretch and not reality will complain that some Seahawk fans are overconfident. Others who think that does actually represent where the team is will complain that some Seahawk fans are not confident enough.Do you think that stretch was real? I think its real. They've grown a lot this season, and they are way closer to being that than some scrappy team that will get bounced by a 10-6 playoff team.

It's absolutely real. Just like the close loss to STL and the loss to Miami were also real. The team has gotten a lot better, but they've got a long way to go before I'm confident they'll do it week in and week out.

 

[MikeApf]

Saw this on PFT regarding Griffin's knee:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/02/shanahan-doesnt-sound-too-worried-about-rg3-knee/

Basically, Mike Shannahan is saying that the knee is now 100% but that he looks different because of the bulky brace. He also says that wearing the brace is mostly pyschological, as doctors are not saying that he's likely to reinjure it (I mean, within normal limits...anyone can obviously get an injury any time.)

So my question is:

1. Is Shanny telling the truth or BSing as part of gamesmanship?

2. If he's telling the truth, does the brace come off this Sunday?

It has been 4 weeks since the injury, the amount of time that doctors were saying was needed for a full recovery. On the other hand, Griffin has been practicing and playing, which you would think would slow recovery via pounding.

Thoughts?

 

[TxBuckeye]

I thought this thread might be a good read. I was wrong. When did Seahawk fans become all become over-confident windbags? It reminds me of when the Pats started winning and all their insufferable fans came out of the woodwork. Oof.

Is it all the rain that makes you guys such complete dooshbags?

Here's what makes Seahawks fans seem overconfident...1. The Seahawks have never been projected to win the NFC West, at least from a majority standpoint.2. I can't tell you how many times people stated that Pete Carroll was "on the hot seat" this year. Every time it came up it was clear people didn't know what they were talking about.3. There is a significant feeling of East Coast Bias in the PNW. We see teams like the Cowboys and Jets constantly in the news and if there is a big Seahawks win it gets overshadowed quickly by something else.

While these three points may be true, it has nothing to do with this thread. So not sure what it has to do with people's actions when talking about this game. I don't think skins fans spent much time talking about the West or Carroll during the season.

4. Every time the Seahawks get good, people immediately turn to the "how many Superbowls have you won?" statement. It's already happened in this thread too, like that is some sort of badge you get that allows you to be a serious fan.

I'll have to go back and re-read the thread, but I didn't see a single Redskins fan bring this up. If they did, it was likely one isolated post. As I said, I'd have to go back and re-read it all. But I don't recall this happening.

5. I'm The Scientist6. Our general inability to let comments go without a counter-argument.7. We apply every thread on this board to the Seahawks and insert them into the conversation. It sucks, and I do it too on accident from time to time.

It's mostly arguments, not counter arguments. Most posts from the skins fans have been in response to outrageous claims of why the game is going to be a hawks blowout, not the other way around.

8. Our love of Russell Wilson and general belief that he should be in the conversation for OROY. Honestly I feel like Wilson is not the best athlete of the three, but he seems to be the smartest of them and certainly the most prepared.Seattle is one of the least talked about teams and certainly has one of the lowest fanbases (in size) in the league. We've been on the losing side of bad calls throughout the franchise's history but somehow one call has changed all of that in people's minds. When it happened in XL we were called whiny. When it happened in the Packers game we were called whiny. It's the weirdest thing that people really take it both ways against the Seahawks and their fans.

Once again, not sure what any of this has to do with the actions of people in this thread. I'm not sure if you are confusing folks in here with Packer's fans or what. But it seems an odd excuse for people acting like they are in here.

Feel free to call me a "windbag" or "dooshbag" (how the hell does anyone misspell ########, by the way?) if you'd like--I really don't care. But it certainly doesn't help your arguments one bit when you need to resort to namecalling. Actually, it makes me feel like you're nervous about the upcoming game or upset that <insert non-playoff overhyped team> isn't getting all of the attention they are accustomed to.

Windbag isn't name calling. It was simply pointing out the way people are acting in here. And of course skins fans are nervous about the game. Unlike yourselves, no one on the skins side of the fence is arrogant enough to think a win is a sure thing. Can you say the same about the hawks fans in this thread? Of course not. So once again, a really silly point to try and justify arrogant behavior. As for "all the attention they are accustomed too", all I can say is, WTF are you talking about? The skins have been cellar dwellars for several years. Exactly what attention is it you think the fans are accustomed too? Once again, you seem to simply be making up excuses for the actions of your own fans. And this is just another one that really makes ZERO sense.

It's too bad--I thought this thread was going to be fun. I'll just sit on the sidelines and wait for the outcome, however I suspect no matter how the game ends there will be more of the same, just with a different set of opposing fans.

Quite the persecution complex you've developed there. Your fans come in predicting 17 point blowouts and then can't understand why folks take exception to the prediction of it not even "being a game." Good thing you know how to handle winning with grace and humility.Edit to add: I've spoke my piece and will move on. This thread is obviously mired in the mud and isn't going to go anywhere it hasn't already gone.

 

[Riversco]

While I do think the Seahawks should win this game, it's no guarantee, and I think a good portion of fans are a little overconfident.

Overconfident? They just ended a season where they smashed the Cardinals 58-0, won at Buffalo 50-17, and nuked the 49ers from space 42-13. Sure, I bet there is some overconfidence after watching those games.

I feel like the Seahawks *should* win this game, and if they play like they did in that stretch they will win the game, but it's maybe a little better than a coin flip on a good day. I feel about this game roughly like Vegas does. No room in there for being overconfident.

There's what makes it hard to figure out this game. People who think that was just a hot stretch and not reality will complain that some Seahawk fans are overconfident. Others who think that does actually represent where the team is will complain that some Seahawk fans are not confident enough.Do you think that stretch was real? I think its real. They've grown a lot this season, and they are way closer to being that than some scrappy team that will get bounced by a 10-6 playoff team.

It's absolutely real. Just like the close loss to STL and the loss to Miami were also real. The team has gotten a lot better, but they've got a long way to go before I'm confident they'll do it week in and week out.

See I disagree there. I think they are way closer to those blowout wins as a team than those close losses.

 

[mad sweeney]

Saw this on PFT regarding Griffin's knee: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/02/shanahan-doesnt-sound-too-worried-about-rg3-knee/Basically, Mike Shannahan is saying that the knee is now 100% but that he looks different because of the bulky brace. He also says that wearing the brace is mostly pyschological, as doctors are not saying that he's likely to reinjure it (I mean, within normal limits...anyone can obviously get an injury any time.)So my question is:1. Is Shanny telling the truth or BSing as part of gamesmanship?2. If he's telling the truth, does the brace come off this Sunday?It has been 4 weeks since the injury, the amount of time that doctors were saying was needed for a full recovery. On the other hand, Griffin has been practicing and playing, which you would think would slow recovery via pounding.Thoughts?

I pretty much never believe anything a coach says initially. Sometimes I might start a little bit if things they say turn out to be true over a course of time. But disbelief is instictive and usually right. I trust Shannahan far less than average.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

There's what makes it hard to figure out this game. People who think that was just a hot stretch and not reality will complain that some Seahawk fans are overconfident. Others who think that does actually represent where the team is will complain that some Seahawk fans are not confident enough.Do you think that stretch was real? I think its real. They've grown a lot this season, and they are way closer to being that than some scrappy team that will get bounced by a 10-6 playoff team.

The Redskins have won 7 games in a row. Among those 7 games were a win over a 10 win team, and three wins over 9 win teams. It's fine if both sets of fans want to forget about the first half of the season. That seems fair. I certainly don't think Wilson's first 5 games as a QB mean a heck of a lot. But if you do that, you're looking at the two hottest teams in the NFC, so I'm not sure how it cuts. You certainly don't get to only look at the Seahawks recent form if you want to hold the Rams and Panther losses against the Skins.

 

[Hooper31]

In analysis of your own team what do they do that pisses you off? I would be curious to hear what Redskin fans get pissed about or even Seahawk fans but I imagine Hawk fans share some of my own feelings posted below.

-Refuse to Blitz- you will never see this team blitz....maybe once every few games. They 100% rely on their front four to get to the QB. I would just like to see it every once in awhile to throw people off.

I don't think they refuse to blitz, but I do agree they don't blitz enough. I think Bradley wants it to be effective. A good example last week was on the final drive when Earl Thomas looked like he was shot out of a cannon up the middle and nearly created a turnover. The perceived refusal to blitz is built on the idea that they want to force teams to have long drives and avoid the big plays. Bend, but not break. They did give up the fewest amount points in the NFL this season so I have a hard time criticizing their blitz percentage.

-Marcus Trufant- he is the nickle corner and is absolute garbage. Hopefully with Browner back Trufant never see's the field again in a seahawks uniform as they can use Lane at the nickle (I pray).

Trufant is certainly in his final season. Playing the slot CB position is tough. I doubt they go with Lane because he lacks experience. Making matters worse Lane got torched twice last week on the Rams only TD drive.

-Run, Run, Pass- this happened a lot more in the early portions of the season but even if the run game was ineffective they would call two straight runs and put Wilson in 3rd and long. Just mix it up.

Strongly disagree with you here. Early in games Seattle has come out throwing on early downs a lot, and I should add they've done so effectively. I think teams expect a large dose of Lynch early and Seattle has done a good job of mixing it up.

-Field Goals- We don't try 50 yard field goals. Apparently Hauschka has the weakest leg in the NFL.

Are you just reacting to the one passed up opportunity from last week? Given what happened the first time around with the Rams I think Carroll made the correct decision to force the Rams into taking the ball the full length of the field.

-Breno Giacomini- he is possible the dumbest human being on planet earth. I will poke my eyes out if he gets another penalty for running into a pile at full speed after the whistle.

This was a serious problem early in the season, but he's really backed off during the second half of the season. Very rarely to teams have a pair of OTs that they are thrilled with. I think Breno has done a solid job this season and fully understand why Cable likes him so much. He and Sweezy give them an attitude on the right side.

My Seahawks concerns:

* Pass rush on obvious passing downs is an issue without DT Jason Jones. They miss him quite a bit. DE Bruce Irvin hasn't been nearly as effective late in the season without Jones next to him.

* G J.R. Sweezy is a liability against the pass rush. He struggled last week in line adjustments and allowed Chris Long a free run at Wilson twice. If Haslett chooses to blitz like he did last week it could be a serious issue again.

* How will Rice respond to not being part of the game plan last week? He went without a reception and might have had a single target.

 

[MikeApf]

Saw this on PFT regarding Griffin's knee: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/02/shanahan-doesnt-sound-too-worried-about-rg3-knee/Basically, Mike Shannahan is saying that the knee is now 100% but that he looks different because of the bulky brace. He also says that wearing the brace is mostly pyschological, as doctors are not saying that he's likely to reinjure it (I mean, within normal limits...anyone can obviously get an injury any time.)So my question is:1. Is Shanny telling the truth or BSing as part of gamesmanship?2. If he's telling the truth, does the brace come off this Sunday?It has been 4 weeks since the injury, the amount of time that doctors were saying was needed for a full recovery. On the other hand, Griffin has been practicing and playing, which you would think would slow recovery via pounding.Thoughts?

I pretty much never believe anything a coach says initially. Sometimes I might start a little bit if things they say turn out to be true over a course of time. But disbelief is instictive and usually right. I trust Shannahan far less than average.

His comments make me nervous because he has such a track record of wanting to "fool opponents" I fear that his comment means that RGIII is not fully healed. Shanny knows though that it will help his team if Seattle believes RGIII to be a threat, thereby opening up running lanes for Morris and passing lanes for the play action strike to Garcon.

 

[mad sweeney]

In analysis of your own team what do they do that pisses you off? I would be curious to hear what Redskin fans get pissed about or even Seahawk fans but I imagine Hawk fans share some of my own feelings posted below.

-Refuse to Blitz- you will never see this team blitz....maybe once every few games. They 100% rely on their front four to get to the QB. I would just like to see it every once in awhile to throw people off.

I don't think they refuse to blitz, but I do agree they don't blitz enough. I think Bradley wants it to be effective. A good example last week was on the final drive when Earl Thomas looked like he was shot out of a cannon up the middle and nearly created a turnover. The perceived refusal to blitz is built on the idea that they want to force teams to have long drives and avoid the big plays. Bend, but not break. They did give up the fewest amount points in the NFL this season so I have a hard time criticizing their blitz percentage.

-Marcus Trufant- he is the nickle corner and is absolute garbage. Hopefully with Browner back Trufant never see's the field again in a seahawks uniform as they can use Lane at the nickle (I pray).

Trufant is certainly in his final season. Playing the slot CB position is tough. I doubt they go with Lane because he lacks experience. Making matters worse Lane got torched twice last week on the Rams only TD drive.

-Run, Run, Pass- this happened a lot more in the early portions of the season but even if the run game was ineffective they would call two straight runs and put Wilson in 3rd and long. Just mix it up.

Strongly disagree with you here. Early in games Seattle has come out throwing on early downs a lot, and I should add they've done so effectively. I think teams expect a large dose of Lynch early and Seattle has done a good job of mixing it up.

-Field Goals- We don't try 50 yard field goals. Apparently Hauschka has the weakest leg in the NFL.

Are you just reacting to the one passed up opportunity from last week? Given what happened the first time around with the Rams I think Carroll made the correct decision to force the Rams into taking the ball the full length of the field.

-Breno Giacomini- he is possible the dumbest human being on planet earth. I will poke my eyes out if he gets another penalty for running into a pile at full speed after the whistle.

This was a serious problem early in the season, but he's really backed off during the second half of the season. Very rarely to teams have a pair of OTs that they are thrilled with. I think Breno has done a solid job this season and fully understand why Cable likes him so much. He and Sweezy give them an attitude on the right side.

My Seahawks concerns:

* Pass rush on obvious passing downs is an issue without DT Jason Jones. They miss him quite a bit. DE Bruce Irvin hasn't been nearly as effective late in the season without Jones next to him.

* G J.R. Sweezy is a liability against the pass rush. He struggled last week in line adjustments and allowed Chris Long a free run at Wilson twice. If Haslett chooses to blitz like he did last week it could be a serious issue again.

* How will Rice respond to not being part of the game plan last week? He went without a reception and might have had a single target.

He is seriously bad and has been all season. I give him a "pass" for basically learning the position on the go this season, but good gods is he bad. Unger needs to be helping him a LOT.

 

[ImTheScientist]

There's what makes it hard to figure out this game. People who think that was just a hot stretch and not reality will complain that some Seahawk fans are overconfident. Others who think that does actually represent where the team is will complain that some Seahawk fans are not confident enough.Do you think that stretch was real? I think its real. They've grown a lot this season, and they are way closer to being that than some scrappy team that will get bounced by a 10-6 playoff team.

The Redskins have won 7 games in a row. Among those 7 games were a win over a 10 win team, and three wins over 9 win teams. It's fine if both sets of fans want to forget about the first half of the season. That seems fair. I certainly don't think Wilson's first 5 games as a QB mean a heck of a lot. But if you do that, you're looking at the two hottest teams in the NFC, so I'm not sure how it cuts. You certainly don't get to only look at the Seahawks recent form if you want to hold the Rams and Panther losses against the Skins.

Dallas x2, a floundering giants team, a floundering ravens team (only won 1 of their last 5), the browns, and the Eagle x2 doesn't impress me. Beat a Green Bay, Patriots, Broncos, Falcons, or 49ers team..... that is impressive.

 

[Buffaloes]

Dallas x2, a floundering giants team, a floundering ravens team (only won 1 of their last 5), the browns, and the Eagle x2 doesn't impress me. Beat a Green Bay, Patriots, Broncos, Falcons, or 49ers team..... that is impressive.

They can only beat the teams they are set to play. Seattle traveling east to play a peaking playoff team isn't money in the bag for the Seahawks. I think Seattle wins, but there is a decent chance Seattle can add its name as #8 in a row to go down to Washington.

 

[proninja]

While I do think the Seahawks should win this game, it's no guarantee, and I think a good portion of fans are a little overconfident.

Overconfident? They just ended a season where they smashed the Cardinals 58-0, won at Buffalo 50-17, and nuked the 49ers from space 42-13. Sure, I bet there is some overconfidence after watching those games.

I feel like the Seahawks *should* win this game, and if they play like they did in that stretch they will win the game, but it's maybe a little better than a coin flip on a good day. I feel about this game roughly like Vegas does. No room in there for being overconfident.

There's what makes it hard to figure out this game. People who think that was just a hot stretch and not reality will complain that some Seahawk fans are overconfident. Others who think that does actually represent where the team is will complain that some Seahawk fans are not confident enough.Do you think that stretch was real? I think its real. They've grown a lot this season, and they are way closer to being that than some scrappy team that will get bounced by a 10-6 playoff team.

It's absolutely real. Just like the close loss to STL and the loss to Miami were also real. The team has gotten a lot better, but they've got a long way to go before I'm confident they'll do it week in and week out.

See I disagree there. I think they are way closer to those blowout wins as a team than those close losses.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it was three really great wins. Then a pretty ugly game against St Louis at home. Silly to ignore that. The other team is also 7-1 in their last 8 games, and they get to play at home.

 

[MikeApf]

There's what makes it hard to figure out this game. People who think that was just a hot stretch and not reality will complain that some Seahawk fans are overconfident. Others who think that does actually represent where the team is will complain that some Seahawk fans are not confident enough.Do you think that stretch was real? I think its real. They've grown a lot this season, and they are way closer to being that than some scrappy team that will get bounced by a 10-6 playoff team.

The Redskins have won 7 games in a row. Among those 7 games were a win over a 10 win team, and three wins over 9 win teams. It's fine if both sets of fans want to forget about the first half of the season. That seems fair. I certainly don't think Wilson's first 5 games as a QB mean a heck of a lot. But if you do that, you're looking at the two hottest teams in the NFC, so I'm not sure how it cuts. You certainly don't get to only look at the Seahawks recent form if you want to hold the Rams and Panther losses against the Skins.

Dallas x2, a floundering giants team, a floundering ravens team (only won 1 of their last 5), the browns, and the Eagle x2 doesn't impress me. Beat a Green Bay, Patriots, Broncos, Falcons, or 49ers team..... that is impressive.

OK, then just to proove it to you, we will beat the Seahawks this week, OK?

 

[fatness]

Seahawks have played 6 of the top 10 rushing teams. They beat all 6. I don't think this game comes down to rushing.

OK. The Redskins average more passing yards per game than Seattle.

The Seahawks played the top 11 passing teams and went 11-0 against them.

12-0

 

[fatness]

Instead of trying to search for some meaningless stat that will make me feel better I think I'll just wait for the game and enjoy it.

 

[fatness]

1. The other thing that is crazy about how we are cherry picking stats is that it often misses the notion that teams "evolve." Take the Redskins for instance. In many respects, they are a much different team before the bye (3-6) than after the bye (7-0). There is some very specific differences.For instance, defensively, before the bye, the Redskins lost a lot of those games due to their penchant for giving up the long bomb. Examples: Cincinnati, Giants. After the bye, they have adjusted that defense so they are not giving up as many big plays. You are not being objective by pulling all stats from the entire year to evaluate the Redskins CURRENT defense. I'm not saying they are an elite defense or anything -- just that your stats and analysis is by it's nature flawed, as it does not take into account that the teams actually play NEXT week with their CURRENT teams and not through some sort of magical aggregation of the entire year. Or, we've been talking a lot about the Rams. One poster said that it was a joke that the Redskins were bringing up the Rams example as the Skins lost to them and Seattle beat them. News flash: like Washington, Seattle lost to the Rams when they played on the road. You neglected to acknowledge that fact. But the point is, you can't just look at the idea that the Redskins lost to the Rams then; therefore, they would lose to them 9 out of 10 games now. The Skins defense (the reason they lost most of those early games) is totally different now.

What you said here is exactly true. And also completely applicable to the Seahawks. Both teams finished the season 7-1 and are playing completely different football then they were in the beginning of the year. Should be a great game! It's tough being a Seahawk fan stuck in the DC area but this week has been fun. I do like the Skins and always root for them right up until the point they play Seattle... and I'm really glad we get to see a RGIII vs Wilson game. I'm thrilled that one of them is going to get a playoff win in their rookie season... Here's hoping for long, amazing careers for them both!

Both you guys are right about the Redskins and Seahawks evolving over the season.

 

[fatness]

While I do think the Seahawks should win this game, it's no guarantee, and I think a good portion of fans are a little overconfident.

Overconfident? They just ended a season where they smashed the Cardinals 58-0, won at Buffalo 50-17, and nuked the 49ers from space 42-13. Sure, I bet there is some overconfidence after watching those games.

Followed by a game in which they barely beat the Rams, avoiding a season sweep by the Rams.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Instead of trying to search for some meaningless stat that will make me feel better I think I'll just wait for the game and enjoy it.

What fun is that?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

While I do think the Seahawks should win this game, it's no guarantee, and I think a good portion of fans are a little overconfident.

Overconfident? They just ended a season where they smashed the Cardinals 58-0, won at Buffalo 50-17, and nuked the 49ers from space 42-13. Sure, I bet there is some overconfidence after watching those games.

Followed by a game in which they barely beat the Rams, avoiding a season sweep by the Rams.

You look at the recent scores and it is easy to be bullish on Seattle. Then you look at the head scratching road losses this year and it becomes more difficult. I'm not sure what to think of Seattle in the playoffs because they'll be on the road the whole way.

 

[fatness]

In analysis of your own team what do they do that pisses you off?

Redskins commit too many penalties, almost every game.Redskin coaches have trouble getting players on the field and plays called in a reasonable amount of time, usually burning 2 needless timeouts per half.

This one they finally fixed --- letting Brandon Banks return kicks when all he did was run sideways and put the ball on the ground more than any player in the league.

This one they finally fixed --- all-out rushes leaving no safety help for CB's and getting burned deep repeatedly. I can't be the only one of us who still wakes up screaming thinking of the Victor Cruz play.

Haslett looks like a ferret.

Interior offensive line still allows too much pressure directly up the middle on several plays per game. Griffin's fast, but he can't run backwards as fast an oncoming linemen can run forward right at him.

Josh Morgan is never uncovered. He makes tough catches in traffic, I have to give him that. But he's never open. I swear that when he gets open he must grab a defender and pulls him over. He usually looks like one of a set of Siamese twins where they each wear different uniforms.

Home fans still aren't loud enough. You still can't see the broadcast cameras shaking (although I did see that once last game, so it's improving).

 

[ImTheScientist]

While I do think the Seahawks should win this game, it's no guarantee, and I think a good portion of fans are a little overconfident.

Overconfident? They just ended a season where they smashed the Cardinals 58-0, won at Buffalo 50-17, and nuked the 49ers from space 42-13. Sure, I bet there is some overconfidence after watching those games.

Followed by a game in which they barely beat the Rams, avoiding a season sweep by the Rams.

Skins barely beat the Cowboys and Eagles in back to back weeks to squeak into the playoffs. The Rams are better than both those teams. I believe they showed you that earlier in the season.

 

[ImTheScientist]

In analysis of your own team what do they do that pisses you off?

Redskins commit too many penalties, almost every game.Redskin coaches have trouble getting players on the field and plays called in a reasonable amount of time, usually burning 2 needless timeouts per half.

This one they finally fixed --- letting Brandon Banks return kicks when all he did was run sideways and put the ball on the ground more than any player in the league.

This one they finally fixed --- all-out rushes leaving no safety help for CB's and getting burned deep repeatedly. I can't be the only one of us who still wakes up screaming thinking of the Victor Cruz play.

Haslett looks like a ferret.

Interior offensive line still allows too much pressure directly up the middle on several plays per game. Griffin's fast, but he can't run backwards as fast an oncoming linemen can run forward right at him.

Josh Morgan is never uncovered. He makes tough catches in traffic, I have to give him that. But he's never open. I swear that when he gets open he must grab a defender and pulls him over. He usually looks like one of a set of Siamese twins where they each wear different uniforms.

Home fans still aren't loud enough. You still can't see the broadcast cameras shaking (although I did see that once last game, so it's improving).

thanks..... Haslett looks like a ferret..lol.

 

[fatness]

And to fans of the Seahawks and fans of the Redskins --- pay no attention to anything Shanahan says about anything. He mixes lies and truth and PR so much it's best just all ignored. To find out how Griffin's knee is we just have to wait on the first play on Sunday when he runs wide.

 

[fatness]

thanks..... Haslett looks like a ferret..lol.

Do you know how embarrassing it is to have a 6'4" ferret on your team's sideline week after week? It's as bad as having John Beck as your QB.

 

[dgreen]

Instead of trying to search for some meaningless stat that will make me feel better I think I'll just wait for the game and enjoy it.

What fun is that?

On its own, there is no fun in that. The fun is in what I choose to do with my time in place that. Plenty of other fun things to do, even in this thread.

 

[dgreen]

And to fans of the Seahawks and fans of the Redskins --- pay no attention to anything Shanahan says about anything. He mixes lies and truth and PR so much it's best just all ignored. To find out how Griffin's knee is we just have to wait on the first play on Sunday when he runs wide.

Well, what we probably do know about Griffin's knee is that it won't be worse than last week. And I think it makes sense to assume it will be better. Will it be 100%? No idea. I generally think it's stupid to put much weight in the percentages these guys throw out there. Do they have some real metrics they use to reach those percentages?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

http://www.hawkblogg...face-tough.html

Great article with lots of statistical breakdown of both teams. After reading its easy to see why Vegas odd makers have the hawks favored in this one.

I think I'm sensing a pattern here. Any article that has the Seahags winning or labeling them as a great team is considered a "great" article.

Let's forget Scientist posted it for a minute - it's an interesting look at the statistics behind the various narratives. You should read it.

Pretty decent argument for the Seahawks in there and not exactly fodder. Better than reading about the Seahawks record on the East Coast in 4 pm games since 1987.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

And to fans of the Seahawks and fans of the Redskins --- pay no attention to anything Shanahan says about anything. He mixes lies and truth and PR so much it's best just all ignored. To find out how Griffin's knee is we just have to wait on the first play on Sunday when he runs wide.

Well, what we probably do know about Griffin's knee is that it won't be worse than last week. And I think it makes sense to assume it will be better. Will it be 100%? No idea. I generally think it's stupid to put much weight in the percentages these guys throw out there. Do they have some real metrics they use to reach those percentages?

I like when Andy Katz (spelling?) goes through Shannahanisms from the previous week to see what he said that ended up being true, and what he said that was smoke and mirrors. I think I'd do the same thing if I were him but he thoroughly enjoys making the media's life hell.

 

[Tau837]

* G J.R. Sweezy is a liability against the pass rush. He struggled last week in line adjustments and allowed Chris Long a free run at Wilson twice. If Haslett chooses to blitz like he did last week it could be a serious issue again.

He is seriously bad and has been all season. I give him a "pass" for basically learning the position on the go this season, but good gods is he bad. Unger needs to be helping him a LOT.

Regarding Sweezy, what do you expect from a rookie who played DL in college and has been switched to OG and been forced to learn on the job at the NFL level? Hard to believe that was their best option when they made that decision.

 

[TobiasFunke]

http://www.hawkblogg...face-tough.html

Great article with lots of statistical breakdown of both teams. After reading its easy to see why Vegas odd makers have the hawks favored in this one.

I think I'm sensing a pattern here. Any article that has the Seahags winning or labeling them as a great team is considered a "great" article.

Let's forget Scientist posted it for a minute - it's an interesting look at the statistics behind the various narratives. You should read it.

Pretty decent argument for the Seahawks in there and not exactly fodder. Better than reading about the Seahawks record on the East Coast in 4 pm games since 1987.

It's not terrible, but there's a lot of cherry-picking too. For example the cherry-picking of the Atlanta, Pittsburgh and Cincy games to make 90% of this argument that a quality defense can shut down the Redskins. The problem, of course, is that those averages weighed down by their single dreadful performance against Pittsburgh.The more general problem is the idea that there's some clear dividing line between "good" offenses and defenses and "bad" ones. There isn't. The Redskins didn't score all their points against the Colts, Saints and Chiefs, who are the three worst defenses in the league according to DVOA. In fact they only played one of those teams. They put those points up against some decent defenses. Giants are 16th in DVOA. Ravens are 19th. And when they played a weaker defense like the Eagles or Cowboys, they did exactly what they were supposed to do; ran right through them.

This isn't college football, where sometimes teams have never seen opposition like they face in the postseason. It's the NFL. Everyone is separated by a very thin margin. If you can get boatloads of touchdowns against the #10 defense and the #16 defense, there's no reason to suspect the #4 defense is magically gonna turn you into the Ryan Lindley version of the Cardinals.

 

[pizzatyme]

LOL at all the 'Skin fans trying to convince themselves they have a chance in this game. I especially like the guy laughing at Seattle for "only" beating the Rams at home by a touchdown, while the 'Skins lost to the Rams this year. And I am also laughing at the comparisons of the two divisions. You seriously want to compare the 'Hawks and 49'ers to the Redskins and .......who? Who? The 'Hawks are expected to win by Vegas and I think they are still not getting it right. I believe the 'Hawks will win by 17+. This game will not be close.

Wow, you seem confident! I'll take the Skins +17 for $200 or +14 for $100. Game?

 

[dgreen]

And that single dreadful performance against Pittsburgh contained a ton of dropped passes. I certainly give Pittsburgh credit for playing a good defensive game and I am not saying the Redskins would have dropped 40 that day if it wasn't for the drops. But, a good chunk of Pittsburgh's defensive performance was really Washington's inability to catch the ball. Those drops killed drives and forced Washington to be one dimensional, which they didn't do very well at the time (and is probably still a weakness).

 

[Todd Andrews]

I thought this thread might be a good read. I was wrong. When did Seahawk fans become all become over-confident windbags? It reminds me of when the Pats started winning and all their insufferable fans came out of the woodwork. Oof.

Is it all the rain that makes you guys such complete dooshbags?

Here's what makes Seahawks fans seem overconfident...1. The Seahawks have never been projected to win the NFC West, at least from a majority standpoint.2. I can't tell you how many times people stated that Pete Carroll was "on the hot seat" this year. Every time it came up it was clear people didn't know what they were talking about.3. There is a significant feeling of East Coast Bias in the PNW. We see teams like the Cowboys and Jets constantly in the news and if there is a big Seahawks win it gets overshadowed quickly by something else.4. Every time the Seahawks get good, people immediately turn to the "how many Superbowls have you won?" statement. It's already happened in this thread too, like that is some sort of badge you get that allows you to be a serious fan. 5. I'm The Scientist6. Our general inability to let comments go without a counter-argument.7. We apply every thread on this board to the Seahawks and insert them into the conversation. It sucks, and I do it too on accident from time to time.8. Our love of Russell Wilson and general belief that he should be in the conversation for OROY. Honestly I feel like Wilson is not the best athlete of the three, but he seems to be the smartest of them and certainly the most prepared.Seattle is one of the least talked about teams and certainly has one of the lowest fanbases (in size) in the league. We've been on the losing side of bad calls throughout the franchise's history but somehow one call has changed all of that in people's minds. When it happened in XL we were called whiny. When it happened in the Packers game we were called whiny. It's the weirdest thing that people really take it both ways against the Seahawks and their fans.Feel free to call me a "windbag" or "dooshbag" (how the hell does anyone misspell ########, by the way?) if you'd like--I really don't care. But it certainly doesn't help your arguments one bit when you need to resort to namecalling. Actually, it makes me feel like you're nervous about the upcoming game or upset that <insert non-playoff overhyped team> isn't getting all of the attention they are accustomed to.It's too bad--I thought this thread was going to be fun. I'll just sit on the sidelines and wait for the outcome, however I suspect no matter how the game ends there will be more of the same, just with a different set of opposing fans.

How many Super Bowls have you won?

 

[Buffaloes]

I thought this thread might be a good read. I was wrong. When did Seahawk fans become all become over-confident windbags? It reminds me of when the Pats started winning and all their insufferable fans came out of the woodwork. Oof.

Is it all the rain that makes you guys such complete dooshbags?

not sure what you think is wrong w/ Hawk fans. even the scientist guy some people complain about posts more insightful stuff about his team than probably most posters

 

[Hang 10]

And that single dreadful performance against Pittsburgh contained a ton of dropped passes. I certainly give Pittsburgh credit for playing a good defensive game and I am not saying the Redskins would have dropped 40 that day if it wasn't for the drops. But, a good chunk of Pittsburgh's defensive performance was really Washington's inability to catch the ball. Those drops killed drives and forced Washington to be one dimensional, which they didn't do very well at the time (and is probably still a weakness).

The Pittsburgh game was the perfect storm of #### for the redskins. It wasn't just the drops. It was also the skins D inability to get off the field. The skins barely had the ball in that game.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Here's an example for you of how cherry-picking can be used to make an argument for either team similar to the "Redskins can't score a lot against top level defenses."

Of the Seahawks 11 wins, 8 have come when the defense forced multiple turnovers. The other three wins were the "victory" over the Packers in Week 3 (14 points scored, only 7 of them without ref assistance), the overtime win against the Bears (17 points scored in regulation plus the game winner in OT), and the final possession home win over the Rams in Week 17 (20 points scored). The other four games in which they didn't force multiple turnovers were all losses. That's 3-4, or 2-5 if you subtract the Packers game, with the 2/3 wins all going down to the wire.

I could use this to try to argue that will be really hard for a team so reliant on turnovers to beat the #1 team in the NFL at protecting the ball (14 turnovers on the year). But that would be cherry-picking. You can't use one aspect of the game, be it offense, defense, turnovers, or whatever plus a handful of game results from earlier in the year to make a definitive argument.

 

[mad sweeney]

* G J.R. Sweezy is a liability against the pass rush. He struggled last week in line adjustments and allowed Chris Long a free run at Wilson twice. If Haslett chooses to blitz like he did last week it could be a serious issue again.

He is seriously bad and has been all season. I give him a "pass" for basically learning the position on the go this season, but good gods is he bad. Unger needs to be helping him a LOT.

Regarding Sweezy, what do you expect from a rookie who played DL in college and has been switched to OG and been forced to learn on the job at the NFL level? Hard to believe that was their best option when they made that decision.

I expect exactly what he is. I wasn't trying to classify him as a bust or anything. He's very mobile and mean and will probably make a good guard. He just has a huge learning curve to undertake for the position. I doubt they planned on having him start week 1 but that's how it played out.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Here's an example for you of how cherry-picking can be used to make an argument for either team similar to the "Redskins can't score a lot against top level defenses."

Of the Seahawks 11 wins, 8 have come when the defense forced multiple turnovers. The other three wins were the "victory" over the Packers in Week 3 (14 points scored, only 7 of them without ref assistance), the overtime win against the Bears (17 points scored in regulation plus the game winner in OT), and the final possession home win over the Rams in Week 17 (20 points scored). The other four games in which they didn't force multiple turnovers were all losses. That's 3-4, or 2-5 if you subtract the Packers game, with the 2/3 wins all going down to the wire.

I could use this to try to argue that will be really hard for a team so reliant on turnovers to beat the #1 team in the NFL at protecting the ball (14 turnovers on the year). But that would be cherry-picking. You can't use one aspect of the game, be it offense, defense, turnovers, or whatever plus a handful of game results from earlier in the year to make a definitive argument.

Actually you can when someone says the game will be decided by one player and his fear of "GRASS".

 

[drummer]

While I do think the Seahawks should win this game, it's no guarantee, and I think a good portion of fans are a little overconfident.

Overconfident? They just ended a season where they smashed the Cardinals 58-0, won at Buffalo 50-17, and nuked the 49ers from space 42-13. Sure, I bet there is some overconfidence after watching those games.

I feel like the Seahawks *should* win this game, and if they play like they did in that stretch they will win the game, but it's maybe a little better than a coin flip on a good day. I feel about this game roughly like Vegas does. No room in there for being overconfident.

There's what makes it hard to figure out this game. People who think that was just a hot stretch and not reality will complain that some Seahawk fans are overconfident. Others who think that does actually represent where the team is will complain that some Seahawk fans are not confident enough.Do you think that stretch was real? I think its real. They've grown a lot this season, and they are way closer to being that than some scrappy team that will get bounced by a 10-6 playoff team.

Off topic, but I saw your Av and wondered where FavreCo went without looking at your alias. Great thread BTW between all of youze. Props to Raider Nation for starting it.