mad sweeney
Footballguy
You hope he isn't. Tyler Polumbus vs Chris Clemons...
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Seattle @ Washington ... Pregame chatter (1 Viewer)
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Furthermore....Only 2 of Wilson's 11 have come in the last 8 games.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Tyler was not good enough to play for the Hawks.
fatness
Footballguy
LOL. And the turf, and the wind, and the number of players on each team who ate greasy food the night before the game.Now factor in each of their opponent's propensity for give-away/take-away
fatness
Footballguy
Well duh. And you hope Matt Flynn isn't playing. The point is that Wilson has given the ball away more than all the Redskins who are playing put together.
Riversco
Footballguy
No. The Falcons play the lowest seed left. The Vikings are the lowest seed in the NFC and play the Falcons if they win. If the Vikings lose, the winner of this game plays the Falcons.
biju
Footballguy
In other words, the winner of this game plays the Falcons.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
You think? That's probably why I implied that Clemons vs him may hasten Cousins' appearance in the game...
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Last game of the weekend. The networks clearly think this is the most intriguing game.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Seahawks rarely blitz.... You may not even see one all game.
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JackReacher
Footballguy
You were absolutely ahead of the curve on this one RN. They don't get any more intriguing than this.
biju
Footballguy
I'm just happy we finally got a little bit of schedule love. I'm also hoping that *if* the Seahawks make it through to the next round that Paul Allen opens up his wallet and keeps the team on the East Coast, buying a state or something so they can practice there instead of making two additional cross-country flights...
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I was clarifying for skin fans that didn't know he was our trash.
drummer
Footballguy
Raider Nation knows stuff.
proninja
Footballguy
Of all the things there are to worry about re: the Seahawks, Paul Allen opening his wallet is by far the last one.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
dgreen
Footballguy
New Orleans: A sack with an own recovery.Cincinnati: Two recorded as sacks, but one was really an old school option (not read option) play where he was hit before he pitched. He lost that one to Cincy and recovered his own fumble on the other sack. His third fumble that game was an "aborted" fumble that was recovered by Brandon Banks. I don't recall any snap problems with Griffin, so I think this was an option related fumble. I don't remember the play exactly, but I think he pitched to Banks who didn't get it cleanly then he recovered it.Tampa: On a QB draw headed into the endzone. Garcon recovered in the endzone for a TD.Giants: "(2:22) (Shotgun) 10-R.Griffin right end to 50 for -3 yards. FUMBLES, and recovers at 50. 10-R.Griffin pushed ob at NYG 42 for 8 yards (26-A.Rolle). Officially, a rush for five yards." Not really sure what that was. Probably a run of some sort, but I don't remember how he fumbled. I think I remember a bad read option exchange that he picked up and ran, but I could be making that up. His other fumble in this game was a bad read on the read option. JPP came straight at him and he kept the ball for some reason and then fumbled when he was hit. The Giants recovered. It's possible the play was supposed to be play action. Griffin clearly decided to keep the ball and tried to avoid JPP a split second later.Pittsburgh: Listed as "aborted" with an own recovery. I think this was a read option fumble on the exchange/keep. Griffin recovered it.Philadelphia: Scramble, recovered by FB Darrell Young.Giants: His read option run on MNF that he fumbled just before his knee hit while sliding and WR Josh Morgan recovered it and ran into the endzone.Baltimore: "Aborted" recovered by Morris. This play was actually very close to being a TD. On a 3rd and short in Ravens territory, the Redskins called a more traditional option play. I think Griffin did a fake handoff up the middle to the FB and then had Morris as the pitch option. But, two Ravens defenders went hard to Griffin and he didn't have enough time to make a good pitch. He didn't have the best grip on the ball and tried a two-handed shove to get the ball to Morris. The pitch was a little off and Morris recovered the ball. Had it been a good pitch, Morris had nobody to stop him.Philadephia: Officially listed as a sack. Under pressure, Griffin tried to the ball out to Moss in the flat. The pass ended up being a lateral and Moss recovered it.So, it's all really a pretty even split between sacks, runs/scrambles, and aborted plays (option fumbles that are credited to Griffin because the next guy never had full possession).
Irony--clemons started out on the skins...left withoutWinning a starting job...
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Its a shame the skins were not playing him at the right position. He is a better DE than lber.
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The redskins have let a lot of good players go...I didn't say they did the right thing...just ironic that Clemons and polumbus face each other now
Regarding polumbus...he may not be heralded but he's found his nitch as part of the skins..the offensive line has been good this year so you really can't call him trash...#1 rush offense and minimal sacks says otherwise...
Regarding polumbus...he may not be heralded but he's found his nitch as part of the skins..the offensive line has been good this year so you really can't call him trash...#1 rush offense and minimal sacks says otherwise...
CapnJB
Footballguy
Russell Wilson doesn't eat greasy food. But he does prepare it the night before.When he gets up, he prepares it again.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Shanahan has a very good track record of picking up late-round or undrafted FA (in Polumbus' case) and turning them into decent OL. His ZBS requires smaller, more agile OL and I'm not surprised Polumbus has found a home under Shanny. It didn't work out for Polumbus as a Bronco (or a Seahawk), but I'm glad to see he's doing pretty well as a starter.
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CapnJB
Footballguy
I'm not sure Haynesworth worked out so well being forced into a 3-4 D.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Nobody over the last 3 years have done this better than the Hawks.
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duaneok66
Footballguy
best post in a great thread.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
that seemed more like a Snyder pickup than anything else--at least to me.But Shanahan has never been a defensive-minded coach (years of bad Bronco D was probably what did him in in Denver), and picking up quick-fix defensive Free agents who ended up busting wouldn't have been anything new for Shanny. So I suppose it wouldn't surprise me too much if he did tab Al as the guy to build a 3-4 around. That said, his innovation on offence--whether it be installing his version of the ZBS/WCO, installing a variation of the pistol/spread option, or finding unheralded guys to fit his offensive scheme/tweaking the scheme to fit his offensive personnel--has never really been an issue.
Historically, he's also been good at contriving and implementing gameplans for games like the one coming up. That's one of the things that makes this such a good matchup, imo. Shanahan's RGIII-led offence (which, apparently, Seattle has pilfered from already this year) vs. Seattle's vaunted d.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Shanahan inherited the Haynesworth problem. He wanted to run a 3-4 with his new team. He wasn't going to stick with the 4-3 because of one disgruntled player who didn't want to make the transition. Shanahan's handling of Haynesworth, and his subsequent ejection from the roster, set the tone for the top-to-bottom culture change that Shanahan oversaw the past three seasons, which is a huge part of why we're as competitive as we are right now.
biju
Footballguy
Here's another article that breaks down the Redskins tape and explains keys to the Seahawks winning the game.
For those of you following the FieldGulls articles I've been linking, this one is pretty interesting in terms of what Washington is doing on offense and what might disrupt them.
For those of you following the FieldGulls articles I've been linking, this one is pretty interesting in terms of what Washington is doing on offense and what might disrupt them.
5 digit know nothing
Footballguy
that's a good one
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
The human head weighs 7 lbs. Russell Wilson's weighs 9 (8.5 on grass).
proninja
Footballguy
Yeah, but Leon Washington is allergic to grass
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Get his cousin, Freddie Boom Boom.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Man, Griffin is too good to be true. I don't mean just as a player. Was watching Inside the NFL tonight. After the game last week, instead of running off to celebrate with his team, he chases down Tony Romo and says "Hey Tony, I just wanted to say don't listen to what anyone else says about you. You're a great quarterback and this game doesn't mean anything."
Class act.
Almost makes me want to cry when I compare him to a BUM like JaMarcus Russell who didn't give a s##t about anything, on or off the field.
Class act.
Almost makes me want to cry when I compare him to a BUM like JaMarcus Russell who didn't give a s##t about anything, on or off the field.
biju
Footballguy
It reminds me of the kind words Richard Sherman had for Tom Brady as he was leaving the field.I know people outside of Seattle hate Sherman, but I love the guy. I really can't remember a time when we showed any bravado outside of "we want the ball and we're gonna score!"Man, Griffin is too good to be true. I don't mean just as a player. Was watching Inside the NFL tonight. After the game last week, instead of running off to celebrate with his team, he chases down Tony Romo and says "Hey Tony, I just wanted to say don't listen to what anyone else says about you. You're a great quarterback and this game doesn't mean anything."Class act.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
Seattle has always been soft...those day's are over.
Nucker101
Footballguy
Calling it now, the winner of this game will represent the NFC in the SB. People are going to find out that Wilson is the real deal, he's not just being carried by Lynch and the defense. He will be a top 10 QB in this league, maybe top 5-7 in a few years.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I feel like I saw a quote earlier this year where Forbath said the Skins intentionally kick it to the goal line and the corners instead of through the end zone. He said something about how he could kick it through the end zone but that wasn't the "game plan." Seemed like a kind of stupid "game plan" to me, but maybe I misheard.ETA: No, I was right. Here it is.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
After years and years of being soft and nice this makes me so happy. Even during the peak of the Holmgren era all I wanted was a team that would beat other teams up. Finally have that. Its so much fun to watch as a fan versus finesse.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He is already Top 5. People just haven't accepted it yet..... QB raiting, QBR..... he is the man.
dgreen
Footballguy
Can anyone find average starting field position by team after kickoffs?I feel like I saw a quote earlier this year where Forbath said the Skins intentionally kick it to the goal line and the corners instead of through the end zone. He said something about how he could kick it through the end zone but that wasn't the "game plan." Seemed like a kind of stupid "game plan" to me, but maybe I misheard.ETA: No, I was right. Here it is.
CapnJB
Footballguy
Are you looking for Redskins opponents starting field position? That would involve some tedious data scrubbing but I might tackle it if I get bored
Warrior
Footballguy
Wilson has 3 turnovers in the last 8 games, actually. You must be thinking of RGIII, who actually does only have 2
Don't let the stats stand in the way of your homerism though.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
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CapnJB
Footballguy
Well that wasn't fun, but here you go
Games 1-5Cundiff - 25 Kickoffs - average starting field position 19.88 yard line - 15 touchbacks (60% of kicks)Games 6-16Forbath - 58 Kickoffs - average starting field position 23.2 yard line - 15 touchbacks (25.8% of kicks)Onside kicks were not included in these numbers.
dgreen
Footballguy
All teams.I can use NFL.com data to estimate a starting field position (using number of touchbacks, average return, average distance of kicks), but I'm not sure how accurate it is. Using my estimated field position, I get the following regression line:EFP = 23.7 - .05*PCTEFP = Estimated Field PositionPCT = Percentage of kickoffs that are touchbacksSo, the higher the % of TBs, the lower the starting field position. Makes sense. However, R-squared is only .19 so having more touchbacks.Or, I can get:EFP = 47.5-0.4*AVGAVG = Average distance per kickThat has an R-squared of .29, so that's stronger. The longer the kick, the worse the FP. Duh.Of course, my EFP could be off a couple yards, which might make a difference.If the Redskins really are intentionally kicking the ball short to entice returns, it would be nice to know if that makes any sense at all. I've just assumed this whole time that Forbath has a weak leg.Are you looking for Redskins opponents starting field position? That would involve some tedious data scrubbing but I might tackle it if I get bored
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
T Bell
Footballguy
Chris Clemons is a Redskins cast-off. Sometimes players do well with more time and/or a new environment or scheme, right?
