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All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
He broke the rookie record for QB rating (102.4, I think) and also Cam's record for rookie QB rushing yards. He led the team (truly led, not just along for the ride) to their first division championship in 13 years. What expectations were reasonable for a rookie coming out of a shotgun offense in college? For a team that had finished last in their division for the last four years?
 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
Can you elaborate a little bit?
 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
Can you elaborate a little bit?
Look at the post above. :thumbup:
 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
He broke the rookie record for QB rating (102.4, I think) and also Cam's record for rookie QB rushing yards. He led the team (truly led, not just along for the ride) to their first division championship in 13 years. What expectations were reasonable for a rookie coming out of a shotgun offense in college? For a team that had finished last in their division for the last four years?
Exactly what I said. ROY winner and already a top QB in the league. Again, I'm not discounting anything he's done. I just think for the massiv price paid for him and the Heisman and the hype, this is exactly what he should be doing.
 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
Can you elaborate a little bit?
Look at the post above. :thumbup:
Look at the one below, which I guess is actually above...
 
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All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
Can you elaborate a little bit?
Look at the post above. :thumbup:
Look at the one below, which I guess is actually above...
:rolleyes:
 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
Can you elaborate a little bit?
Look at the post above. :thumbup:
Look at the one below, which I guess is actually above...
:rolleyes:
Oooooh, rolleyes. I guess I've been put in my place!!!!Don't forget the parameters of the question.
 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
He broke the rookie record for QB rating (102.4, I think) and also Cam's record for rookie QB rushing yards. He led the team (truly led, not just along for the ride) to their first division championship in 13 years. What expectations were reasonable for a rookie coming out of a shotgun offense in college? For a team that had finished last in their division for the last four years?
Exactly what I said. ROY winner and already a top QB in the league. Again, I'm not discounting anything he's done. I just think for the massiv price paid for him and the Heisman and the hype, this is exactly what he should be doing.
So...accordng to what you are saying, to exceed expectations, RGIII would have to win league MVP and lead his team to the Super Bowl?
 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
He broke the rookie record for QB rating (102.4, I think) and also Cam's record for rookie QB rushing yards. He led the team (truly led, not just along for the ride) to their first division championship in 13 years. What expectations were reasonable for a rookie coming out of a shotgun offense in college? For a team that had finished last in their division for the last four years?
Exactly what I said. ROY winner and already a top QB in the league. Again, I'm not discounting anything he's done. I just think for the massiv price paid for him and the Heisman and the hype, this is exactly what he should be doing.
So...accordng to what you are saying, to exceed expectations, RGIII would have to win league MVP and lead his team to the Super Bowl?
Yeah, probably. But don't take that as a perjorative against RG3. It means that the expectations for him were exceptionally high , AND HE LIVED UP TO THEM. Some of you are acting like saying that is disrespecting or disparaging RG3. It's extremely complimentary.
 
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I understand after withstanding the ITS onslaught and my contrarian past that people would think I'm slamming RG3 with this, but I'm not. I guess I just had higher expectations for him than most did...
 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
He broke the rookie record for QB rating (102.4, I think) and also Cam's record for rookie QB rushing yards. He led the team (truly led, not just along for the ride) to their first division championship in 13 years. What expectations were reasonable for a rookie coming out of a shotgun offense in college? For a team that had finished last in their division for the last four years?
Exactly what I said. ROY winner and already a top QB in the league. Again, I'm not discounting anything he's done. I just think for the massiv price paid for him and the Heisman and the hype, this is exactly what he should be doing.
So...accordng to what you are saying, to exceed expectations, RGIII would have to win league MVP and lead his team to the Super Bowl?
Yeah, probably. But don't take that as a perjorative against RG3. It means that the expectations for him were exceptionally high , AND HE LIVED UP TO THEM. Some of you are acting like saying that is disrespecting or disparaging RG3. It's extremely complimentary.
I guess I've been conditioned by Redskins history - we draft a QB really high, we get Heath Shuler. We make a huge signing of a free agent, it's Albert Haynesworth. Having someone live up to expectations is not normal...Still, Griffin's season is arguably the best ever by a rookie QB. Marino matched a lot of his records back in 1983 (passer rating, Pro Bowl, led team to playoffs, highest completion percentage for a rookie) but even Marino didn't have the rushing aspect of his game. But if your expectation was the best rookie QB season in history, or at least in 25 years, then that's what they were.

 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
He broke the rookie record for QB rating (102.4, I think) and also Cam's record for rookie QB rushing yards. He led the team (truly led, not just along for the ride) to their first division championship in 13 years. What expectations were reasonable for a rookie coming out of a shotgun offense in college? For a team that had finished last in their division for the last four years?
Exactly what I said. ROY winner and already a top QB in the league. Again, I'm not discounting anything he's done. I just think for the massiv price paid for him and the Heisman and the hype, this is exactly what he should be doing.
Well the massive price was for his career, not just for this year. So as far as the draft picks I consider that an investment in the future. He's already exceeded expectations for any rookie QB.
 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations?
Yes he has
He broke the rookie record for QB rating (102.4, I think) and also Cam's record for rookie QB rushing yards. He led the team (truly led, not just along for the ride) to their first division championship in 13 years. What expectations were reasonable for a rookie coming out of a shotgun offense in college? For a team that had finished last in their division for the last four years?
Exactly what I said. ROY winner and already a top QB in the league. Again, I'm not discounting anything he's done. I just think for the massiv price paid for him and the Heisman and the hype, this is exactly what he should be doing.
So...accordng to what you are saying, to exceed expectations, RGIII would have to win league MVP and lead his team to the Super Bowl?
Yeah, probably. But don't take that as a perjorative against RG3. It means that the expectations for him were exceptionally high , AND HE LIVED UP TO THEM. Some of you are acting like saying that is disrespecting or disparaging RG3. It's extremely complimentary.
I guess I've been conditioned by Redskins history - we draft a QB really high, we get Heath Shuler. We make a huge signing of a free agent, it's Albert Haynesworth. Having someone live up to expectations is not normal...Still, Griffin's season is arguably the best ever by a rookie QB. Marino matched a lot of his records back in 1983 (passer rating, Pro Bowl, led team to playoffs, highest completion percentage for a rookie) but even Marino didn't have the rushing aspect of his game. But if your expectation was the best rookie QB season in history, or at least in 25 years, then that's what they were.
I don't think either RG3 or Morris could have done what they did without the other, which has led to the Redskins massively exceeding expectations. But I'm glad you brought up Marino. Since RG3 is matching Marino so many times, we can just add one more to that list.... losing at home to Seattle in the playoffs!!! In honor of that game, my official prediction will be 27-20 Seattle with the wining TD coming on a late, Wilson led drive with a short clock.
 
'biju said:
'Hooper31 said:
'seahawk 17 said:
I can tell you if Seattle comes out flat or does not generate a pass rush, they will lose. That along with Truant and Lane are my biggest concerns.
Agree with you here. My gut tells me they don't blitz and sit back in a zone on passing downs.
I think that's what we want. The Redskins are actually the strongest team against the blitz. Besides, we want our beef up front forcing their runs outside where we have fast LBs to flow to the ball. Griffin is a 1-read QB so if he doesn't see it he'll take off. We just need to force him to take as many hits as possible with that gimpy knee.
Griffin is not a 1-read QB.
Actually....that is primarily what he has been this year. Thats not a knock...just what they have asked him to do and he has done it well.
Oh, ok. Thanks for the insight.
 
All the pressure is on RGIII. He has been the chosen media darling since day one. I love it.... not much is expected from Russell Wilson. Thats the perfect position to be in. If the Skins lose...its all on RGIII.
I think you confuse Media Darling with DC excited that they have a Franchise QB. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that The Redskins haven't had that since Theisman. I also don't think there is much pressure on Wilson or Griffin. They have surpassed all expectations from both of their teams by far, either one (or both) could throw up complete clunkers tomorrow and both teams have reasons to be excited and ready for next year.
Has G3 really surpassed expectations? I haven't seen anything but highlights until basically last week, but for a Heisman winner and the very costly trade (2 1sts) that put the Skins at #2 to get him, shouldn't ROY finalist (and presumptive winner) be exactly what was expected of him? I'm not trying to take him down at all, but this is pretty much where he needs to be IMO with the price paid and the hype coming in for him. Wilson obviously way above expectation since few expected him to play at all, much less vie for ROY (a distant second, imo).Morris however, massively over expectations. Beating out Lynch in rushing and TDs (though I think BeastMode has him in combined yards and TDs) in a Shanny system that hasn't really leaned on just one back since TD it seems.
Valid points, but hard to say, ms. Statistically, if you will, there are far more "franchise QB" flame-outs even at that draft position than there are successes, and even then many of the successes take years to really turn it on. Griffin's both a uniquely gifted athlete, even in a league full of them, and is also remarkable for his personality and leadership. He's carried a 3-6 team on his back zs a team-elected rookie captain (with important assists from Cousins and Morris) all the way to a division title and home playoff game. Historically you just don't get that sort of performance from rookie QB's except maybe once in a generation (~20 years). What's impressed me aside from his leadership has been the fact that his TD/INT ratio is not just good but outstanding. Peyton Manning, in my book the greatest QB in the last 15 years and the most recent fully-ready-for-the-NFL rookie QB I can remember (meaning, not running a cut-down offense), threw 28 picks his first year and I believe the Colts were 3-13. The 'Skins have remarkably fabricated an entirely new offense for RGIII, and to be sure it's going to gain complexity as he matures, but no, he's a remarkable rookie QB. To be clear that I'm "keepin' it real" here, I think on a neutral field Seattle is certainly a clear favorite, and the best thing the 'Skins have going for them on Sunday is that they're the home team, 3000 miles away from Seattle. If they lose tomorrow, the season will have been an amazing success and something that they'll build on. I don't see the pressure as being on them aside from the general desire to of course win a playoff game. My read on this overall is the standard playoff game shtick, especially in an outdoor stadium: turnovers, run game, and limitation of big plays will be the primary factors in the outcome.
 
Every time I think of the possibility of rg3 going to the rams I smile that he ended up in DC
I don't know if giving Fisher an extra 2 1st round picks is very preferable. We'll see how the boys do containing him tomorrow, but there were no losers in that trade. Other than each team's division opponents.
 
Veto on the new subtitle. I don't care if Dan Dierdorf, Joe Theisman and Pitbull were loudly honking for the Seahawks, I'd still stay true. Hell, I don't even pick/bet against them in pools or parlays or anything else.

eta: speak of the devil.... Dial It!!!!!

 
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MS, there is a difference in RG3 being "everything we hoped he'd be", and "everything we expected him to be". And I think you probably know that.

 
'biju said:
'MikeApf said:
In response to proninja...lol coming from the most cocky smack talking group of fans on this board. I love it how you guys can talk smack but can't take it we hen people fight back. Weak.
Is that what you're doing? Fighting back? I've been reading around the internet recently and I've come to learn that Redskin fans hate Seattle fans for '05 and '07. It's strange to me because I have no feelings toward Redskin fans. You're just another team from the overhyped NFC East.Enjoy your next day--it will be your last of the season.
You ***
 
MS, there is a difference in RG3 being "everything we hoped he'd be", and "everything we expected him to be". And I think you probably know that.
I don't see why it makes a difference, and I really don't see why so many got their hackles up about it. Nothing that I was saying was a put down or negative in any way. Not being familiar with the team very much, this was pretty much what I thought was more or less expected from him. You can point to this stat or that stat and say that no one expected that particular thing out of him, but as far as I was concerned, he should've put up Cam numbers at the least if not more (better coach).
 
Some of the Seahawks posters have a Napoleon complex. This is causing their over zealous posting habits. It all gets settled on the field tomorrow. Until then, quit embarrassing yourselves. You know who you are. ;)

 
Some of the Seahawks posters have a Napoleon complex. This is causing their over zealous posting habits. It all gets settled on the field tomorrow. Until then, quit embarrassing yourselves. You know who you are. ;)
Says the guy who is still pimping the third best rookie of the year.
 
Shanahan > Carrol

RG3 > Wilson

Morris > Lynch

Garcon > Rice

Moss > Tate

Cooley > Miller

The Hogs > the ****

Forbath > Haushmazilly

Fletcher > your rookie

Riley and Kerrigan > Wright and Hill

Hall and Wilson = Your drug addicts

Our Legit 12th Man > your speaker system

And I'll give you the nod at safety.

= a Redskin win 30-20!

San Fran here we come

 
Shanahan > CarrolRG3 > WilsonMorris > LynchGarcon > RiceMoss > TateCooley > MillerThe Hogs > the ****Forbath > HaushmazillyFletcher > your rookieRiley and Kerrigan > Wright and HillHall and Wilson = Your drug addictsOur Legit 12th Man > your speaker systemAnd I'll give you the nod at safety.= a Redskin win 30-20!San Fran here we come
Hehe. You don't even know who you would have played. Redskins fans = not so bright.
 
Some of the Seahawks posters have a Napoleon complex. This is causing their over zealous posting habits. It all gets settled on the field tomorrow. Until then, quit embarrassing yourselves. You know who you are. ;)
Says the guy who is still pimping the third best rookie of the year.
iStalkers club candidate.
You're the one talking about our posting habits. Besides, Luck has no business being in that OROY thread so...you're the stalker?
 
Some of the Seahawks posters have a Napoleon complex. This is causing their over zealous posting habits. It all gets settled on the field tomorrow. Until then, quit embarrassing yourselves. You know who you are. ;)
Says the guy who is still pimping the third best rookie of the year.
iStalkers club candidate.
You're the one talking about our posting habits. Besides, Luck has no business being in that OROY thread so...you're the stalker?
You do realize how silly you sound right now. Right?Are you trying to argue my point that some Seahawks fans have a complex that they don't get respect?
 
MS, there is a difference in RG3 being "everything we hoped he'd be", and "everything we expected him to be". And I think you probably know that.
I don't see why it makes a difference, and I really don't see why so many got their hackles up about it. Nothing that I was saying was a put down or negative in any way. Not being familiar with the team very much, this was pretty much what I thought was more or less expected from him. You can point to this stat or that stat and say that no one expected that particular thing out of him, but as far as I was concerned, he should've put up Cam numbers at the least if not more (better coach).
You just can't EXPECT greatness from any rookie in professional sports. You hope for it, and you gamble on it. You don't expect it.
 
MS, there is a difference in RG3 being "everything we hoped he'd be", and "everything we expected him to be". And I think you probably know that.
I don't see why it makes a difference, and I really don't see why so many got their hackles up about it. Nothing that I was saying was a put down or negative in any way. Not being familiar with the team very much, this was pretty much what I thought was more or less expected from him. You can point to this stat or that stat and say that no one expected that particular thing out of him, but as far as I was concerned, he should've put up Cam numbers at the least if not more (better coach).
You just can't EXPECT greatness from any rookie in professional sports. You hope for it, and you gamble on it. You don't expect it.
He isn't just "any" rookie.eta: and he wasn't considered just "any" rookie going into the draft.
 
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Some of the Seahawks posters have a Napoleon complex. This is causing their over zealous posting habits. It all gets settled on the field tomorrow. Until then, quit embarrassing yourselves. You know who you are. ;)
Says the guy who is still pimping the third best rookie of the year.
iStalkers club candidate.
You're the one talking about our posting habits. Besides, Luck has no business being in that OROY thread so...you're the stalker?
You do realize how silly you sound right now. Right?Are you trying to argue my point that some Seahawks fans have a complex that they don't get respect?
Kind of like how some posters have a complex about Andrew Luck and that he isn't the best rookie this year? Something like that?
 
It's not just me, right? Is this not easily the most intriguing game of the opening weekend?
Indy @ Balt, Cincy @ Houston or Minn @ GB is intriguing too?Easily? Have more rhetoric please.I'll take a guy who ran for over 400 yards against the Packers and and all world offense in GB over Seattle and Washington. This game you speak of will be the let down game of the weekend. Washington O with a banged up RG3 as you can clearly still tell against tough D, and Seattle O who did nothing against STL still doing nothing in cold weather against an improving D. Good game, yes, easily the most intriguing? NO
halfway through WC week, this game is really going to have to suck to not come close to the OP's expectations.
 
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Luck took a 2 win team to 11-5 and set the all time passing yards record for a rookie. He also had 28 total TDs. I believe that belongs in the ROY conversation. It is okay to feel otherwise.

 
It's not just me, right? Is this not easily the most intriguing game of the opening weekend?
Indy @ Balt, Cincy @ Houston or Minn @ GB is intriguing too?Easily? Have more rhetoric please.

I'll take a guy who ran for over 400 yards against the Packers and and all world offense in GB over Seattle and Washington. This game you speak of will be the let down game of the weekend.

Washington O with a banged up RG3 as you can clearly still tell against tough D, and Seattle O who did nothing against STL still doing nothing in cold weather against an improving D. Good game, yes, easily the most intriguing? NO
halfway through WC week, this game is really going to have to suck to not come close to the OP's expectations.
I was laughing listening to Fat Chris Berman's 2-minute drill last night. His exact words:"And in the most intriguing game of the weekend... Seattle and Washington" :lol:

 
Luck took a 2 win team to 11-5 and set the all time passing yards record for a rookie. He also had 28 total TDs. I believe that belongs in the ROY conversation. It is okay to feel otherwise.
Wow, two posts is all it took to get you into your complex. Nice try on the trolling though. The next steps here are:1. Tuck tail between legs2. Go back to the main forum3. Find the Luck thread and post there instead
 

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