Sell High: Calvin Johnson (1 Viewer)

[BigJim®]

Culpepper was great in 2004. Trent Green, Jake Plummer, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, Domanick Davis, Javon Walker, Joe Horn, and Randy McMichael were all Top 5 fantasy players as well that year. Many of them are also available.

Ok, you take Trent Green and I'll take Daunte for 2008 FF points... sig bet?

BTW- one other thing I'll throw out there: Both Randall Cunningham and Jeff George I believe were generally considered completely washed up when Denny Green dusted them off and brought them in to pass to Randy Moss.Randall Cunningham

1996 PHI 605 yards/3 TDs/5 INTs

1997 MIN [limited action]

1998 MIN 3704 yards/34 TDs/10

Jeff George:

1998 OAK 1186 yards/4 TDs/5 INTs

1999 MIN 2816 yards/23 TDs/12 INTs

I'm not saying Daunte will have the same renewed performance. However, it would not exactly be earth shattering news if a 'has been' veteran QB had unexpected resurgence being dusted off to hoist the deep ball to a phenom WR.

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

I'm not following this. You say Detroit is more similar to Oakland, and that Moss didn't succeed in Oakland. Yet, setting W/L discussion aside, Calvin Johnson is currently succeeding in Detroit, and it seems that this phenom WR is even allowing a completely unproven QB in Orlovsky to have relative success in Detroit. What exactly is your point... that Orlovsky can be productive throwing to Calvin Johnson in Detroit but a veteran QB like Daunte would be unable to do so?

 

[Islanders rule]

Culpepper was great in 2004. Trent Green, Jake Plummer, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, Domanick Davis, Javon Walker, Joe Horn, and Randy McMichael were all Top 5 fantasy players as well that year. Many of them are also available.

Ok, you take Trent Green and I'll take Daunte for 2008 FF points... sig bet?

BTW- one other thing I'll throw out there: Both Randall Cunningham and Jeff George I believe were generally considered completely washed up when Denny Green dusted them off and brought them in to pass to Randy Moss.Randall Cunningham

1996 PHI 605 yards/3 TDs/5 INTs

1997 MIN [limited action]

1998 MIN 3704 yards/34 TDs/10

Jeff George:

1998 OAK 1186 yards/4 TDs/5 INTs

1999 MIN 2816 yards/23 TDs/12 INTs

I'm not saying Daunte will have the same renewed performance. However, it would not exactly be earth shattering news if a 'has been' veteran QB had unexpected resurgence being dusted off to hoist the deep ball to a phenom WR.

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

I'm not following this. You say Detroit is more similar to Oakland, and that Moss didn't succeed in Oakland. Yet, setting W/L discussion aside, Calvin Johnson is currently succeeding in Detroit, and it seems that this phenom WR is even allowing a completely unproven QB in Orlovsky to have relative success in Detroit. What exactly is your point... that Orlovsky can be productive throwing to Calvin Johnson in Detroit but a veteran QB like Daunte would be unable to do so?

I think Yudkin may have stepped in one ? WE'll see.

 

[Maven]

All this "Dan Orlovsky sucks" statements are ignorant. Have you guys seen his stats? If you're a subscriber check out the "Whos Hot?" breakdown.

The last 3 weeks Dan Orlovsky has outplayed

Drew Brees

Peyton Manning

Matt Schaub

Chad Penningtno

Kyle Orton

Aaron Rodgers

Matt Cassel

Jay Cutler

Marc Bulger

Trent Edwards

Derek Anderson

Brett Favre

Eli Manning

Ben Reothlisberger

Not bad for only 5 games played

 

[David Yudkin]

Culpepper was great in 2004. Trent Green, Jake Plummer, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, Domanick Davis, Javon Walker, Joe Horn, and Randy McMichael were all Top 5 fantasy players as well that year. Many of them are also available.

Ok, you take Trent Green and I'll take Daunte for 2008 FF points... sig bet?

BTW- one other thing I'll throw out there: Both Randall Cunningham and Jeff George I believe were generally considered completely washed up when Denny Green dusted them off and brought them in to pass to Randy Moss.Randall Cunningham

1996 PHI 605 yards/3 TDs/5 INTs

1997 MIN [limited action]

1998 MIN 3704 yards/34 TDs/10

Jeff George:

1998 OAK 1186 yards/4 TDs/5 INTs

1999 MIN 2816 yards/23 TDs/12 INTs

I'm not saying Daunte will have the same renewed performance. However, it would not exactly be earth shattering news if a 'has been' veteran QB had unexpected resurgence being dusted off to hoist the deep ball to a phenom WR.

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

I'm not following this. You say Detroit is more similar to Oakland, and that Moss didn't succeed in Oakland. Yet, setting W/L discussion aside, Calvin Johnson is currently succeeding in Detroit, and it seems that this phenom WR is even allowing a completely unproven QB in Orlovsky to have relative success in Detroit. What exactly is your point... that Orlovsky can be productive throwing to Calvin Johnson in Detroit but a veteran QB like Daunte would be unable to do so?

I think Yudkin may have stepped in one ? WE'll see.

I've already explained this. It has nothing to do with Johnson but all to do with Culpepper. See my posts above (which were looking at 2008 only).As far as Moss in Oakland goes (or Moss with Cassel), sometimes it not as simple as just throwing jump balls and having the WR come down with them.

 

[BigJim®]

I've already explained this. It has nothing to do with Johnson but all to do with Culpepper. See my posts above (which were looking at 2008 only).

As far as Moss in Oakland goes (or Moss with Cassel), sometimes it not as simple as just throwing jump balls and having the WR come down with them.

No, you haven't. I mentioned that other "has been" QBs have been reinvigorated when pulled out off a trash pile to heave a ball to a phenom WR. Your retort? You compared Detroit to Oakland. You explained that Moss had no success in Oakland, and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit. Your argument appears to be that Daunte Culpepper will transform one NFL team into another NFL team? In this transformed NFL team, Calvin Johnson will suddenly be unable to perform. Yet he performs with Orlovsky there. Sorry, that's not an "explanation."

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

FWIW, I think Johnson's numbers take a hit with Culpepper if he takes over this year.

People think that Orlovsky's come out of the blue for the Lions but that's not true. The Lions drafted him out of Connecticut and he's been with us ever since. He's had years to learn the system and 2 years to throw the ball to Calvin Johnson.

You really think Culpepper who's been sitting at home playing Madden 2008 can have the same kind of rapport with a guy who's been with the team for multiple years?

Right now, Calvin Johnson owners had it pretty good with Orlovsky and Johnson hooking up. They're going to be disappointed to an extent with Johnson's numbers compared to what Orlovsky was getting him.

 

[omally]

and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit.

Calvin was having success with Orlovsky, because Orlovsky knows the Lions offense, has worked in the past with the offense, and is a decent to good QB.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit.

Calvin was having success with Orlovsky, because Orlovsky knows the Lions offense, has worked in the past with the offense, and is a decent to good QB. because Calvin is a stud.

Fixed.

 

[omally]

and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit.

Calvin was having success with Orlovsky, because Orlovsky knows the Lions offense, has worked in the past with the offense, and is a decent to good QB. because Calvin is a stud.

Fixed.

so you're saying that Orlovsky doesn't know the Lions offense, and hasn't worked in the past with the offense, and isn't a decent QB? Ok.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit.

Calvin was having success with Orlovsky, because Orlovsky knows the Lions offense, has worked in the past with the offense, and is a decent to good QB. because Calvin is a stud.

Fixed.

so you're saying that Orlovsky doesn't know the Lions offense, and hasn't worked in the past with the offense, and isn't a decent QB? Ok.

I'm saying that Orlovsky is not the reason Calvin had success.

 

[David Yudkin]

I've already explained this. It has nothing to do with Johnson but all to do with Culpepper. See my posts above (which were looking at 2008 only).

As far as Moss in Oakland goes (or Moss with Cassel), sometimes it not as simple as just throwing jump balls and having the WR come down with them.

No, you haven't. I mentioned that other "has been" QBs have been reinvigorated when pulled out off a trash pile to heave a ball to a phenom WR. Your retort? You compared Detroit to Oakland. You explained that Moss had no success in Oakland, and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit. Your argument appears to be that Daunte Culpepper will transform one NFL team into another NFL team? In this transformed NFL team, Calvin Johnson will suddenly be unable to perform. Yet he performs with Orlovsky there. Sorry, that's not an "explanation."

I already outlined why I think CULPEPPER will struggle getting up to speed and thereby JOHNSON will suffer because of it, but it has nothing to do with Calvin.As otherd have already pointed out, Orlovsky put up decent numbers the last few weeks but has been in Detroit for awhile now. But up until now he was healthy, he's been practicing, he was in training camp, he has had reps with his teammates, he was not recovering from knee surgery, he was in shape, he knows the playbook, and he was playing . . . NONE of which can be said about Culpepper.

Throwing Culpepper to the wolves cold after essentially not playing for a year and seeing limited action since 2004 also doesn't instill much of a wow factor in my mind for CUlpepper, nor does the fact that every team in the league passed on him repeatedly.

 

[geoff8695]

and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit.

Calvin was having success with Orlovsky, because Orlovsky knows the Lions offense, has worked in the past with the offense, and is a decent to good QB. because Calvin is a stud.

Fixed.

so you're saying that Orlovsky doesn't know the Lions offense, and hasn't worked in the past with the offense, and isn't a decent QB? Ok.

I'm saying that Orlovsky is not the reason Calvin had success.

Perhaps some Detroit fans are thinking Orlovsky is better than he really is, because of the putrid play of Kitna in 2008. IMO Detroit's chances of avoiding the notoriety of a perfect 0-16 season are greatly enhanced now by the subtractions of Roy E. Williams & Jon Kitna. Sans Roy, Calvin will get more opportunities to take over games (yes he is one of the few that CAN do so at this level), and the extra attention he commands will only help the running game and the other receivers; plus Kitna's inaccurate throws and excessive turnovers will not be missed. Culpepper might be rusty, but I doubt he will be 'Kitna bad', and his strong arm and years of NFL experience as a #1 QB will be much more valuable than Orlovsky's time holding clipboards.

 

[geoff8695]

I've already explained this. It has nothing to do with Johnson but all to do with Culpepper. See my posts above (which were looking at 2008 only).

As far as Moss in Oakland goes (or Moss with Cassel), sometimes it not as simple as just throwing jump balls and having the WR come down with them.

No, you haven't. I mentioned that other "has been" QBs have been reinvigorated when pulled out off a trash pile to heave a ball to a phenom WR. Your retort? You compared Detroit to Oakland. You explained that Moss had no success in Oakland, and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit. Your argument appears to be that Daunte Culpepper will transform one NFL team into another NFL team? In this transformed NFL team, Calvin Johnson will suddenly be unable to perform. Yet he performs with Orlovsky there. Sorry, that's not an "explanation."

I already outlined why I think CULPEPPER will struggle getting up to speed and thereby JOHNSON will suffer because of it, but it has nothing to do with Calvin.As otherd have already pointed out, Orlovsky put up decent numbers the last few weeks but has been in Detroit for awhile now. But up until now he was healthy, he's been practicing, he was in training camp, he has had reps with his teammates, he was not recovering from knee surgery, he was in shape, he knows the playbook, and he was playing . . . NONE of which can be said about Culpepper.

Throwing Culpepper to the wolves cold after essentially not playing for a year and seeing limited action since 2004 also doesn't instill much of a wow factor in my mind for CUlpepper, nor does the fact that every team in the league passed on him repeatedly.

I would be curious to hear more about the offensive similarities between Culpepper's stint in MN and currently being run in Detroit. I heard an interview on the radio which claimed the systems were essentially the same - same routes same formations - some differences in terminology, but otherwise so similar as to be a non-issue for Culpepper...

 

[David Yudkin]

I've already explained this. It has nothing to do with Johnson but all to do with Culpepper. See my posts above (which were looking at 2008 only).

As far as Moss in Oakland goes (or Moss with Cassel), sometimes it not as simple as just throwing jump balls and having the WR come down with them.

No, you haven't. I mentioned that other "has been" QBs have been reinvigorated when pulled out off a trash pile to heave a ball to a phenom WR. Your retort? You compared Detroit to Oakland. You explained that Moss had no success in Oakland, and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit. Your argument appears to be that Daunte Culpepper will transform one NFL team into another NFL team? In this transformed NFL team, Calvin Johnson will suddenly be unable to perform. Yet he performs with Orlovsky there. Sorry, that's not an "explanation."

I already outlined why I think CULPEPPER will struggle getting up to speed and thereby JOHNSON will suffer because of it, but it has nothing to do with Calvin.As otherd have already pointed out, Orlovsky put up decent numbers the last few weeks but has been in Detroit for awhile now. But up until now he was healthy, he's been practicing, he was in training camp, he has had reps with his teammates, he was not recovering from knee surgery, he was in shape, he knows the playbook, and he was playing . . . NONE of which can be said about Culpepper.

Throwing Culpepper to the wolves cold after essentially not playing for a year and seeing limited action since 2004 also doesn't instill much of a wow factor in my mind for CUlpepper, nor does the fact that every team in the league passed on him repeatedly.

I would be curious to hear more about the offensive similarities between Culpepper's stint in MN and currently being run in Detroit. I heard an interview on the radio which claimed the systems were essentially the same - same routes same formations - some differences in terminology, but otherwise so similar as to be a non-issue for Culpepper...

Minnesota's talent level >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Detroit's talent level.

 

[meanjoegreen]

plus Kitna's inaccurate throws and excessive turnovers will not be missed.

Culpepper has ball security issues himself. The guy has had some big fumbling problems.

 

[geoff8695]

Minnesota's talent level >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Detroit's talent level.

Well when we are talking about a team that is 0-9 vs. teams that were perennial division if not conference contenders, I guess that kinda goes without saying. However, if CJ2 is talented enough to produce top 10 fantasy numbers in the NFL's version of a 'Siberian gulag' that is the Detroit Lions - isn't it possible that he continue to do so going forward?

I understand advising caution but it seems like we get one of these "trade Calvin Johnson ASAP" threads about every other week in the shark pool this year. I'm just not ready to accept that the sky is falling on his 2008 season; he's overcome too much already this year for me to bail on him now...

 

[LBH]

and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit.

Calvin was having success with Orlovsky, because Orlovsky knows the Lions offense, has worked in the past with the offense, and is a decent to good QB. because Calvin is a stud.

Fixed.

 

[geoff8695]

plus Kitna's inaccurate throws and excessive turnovers will not be missed.

Culpepper has ball security issues himself. The guy has had some big fumbling problems.

No doubt. That's a valid point, but honestly I don't think it's going to matter who the QB is from here on out. If CJ2 can produce with the '08 version of Kitna under center, then I don't think even Ryan Leaf could stop Calvin from getting his. Now I wouldn't be running out to trade away my #1 WR to get Calvin, but if I could get a good deal for him from a nervous owner who expects a complete nosedive in Johnson's value going forward, then I would take my chances. I certainly believe he is capable of producing WR1 numbers going forward, but am prepared for a little more sporadic and unpredictable variations from week to week.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Compelling arguments but I see Calvin as one of those WR freaks where you can just throw it up and let him get it. I'm not worried about it.

Unfortunately just because a WR is a freak at going up and getting balls, it doesn't mean any quarterback can just throw it up and they will be able to get it. An example is David Carr destroying Steve Smith's value last year.

In what crazy world is Steve Smith's best asset going up and getting balls in traffic?Although, your David Carr point could also be served with Andre Johnson, as we've seen how much better he's been with every other QB out there.Still though, with a guy that's so good at going up and getting the ball, half of it is the QBs willingness to put it up there in traffic and trust his WR to go get it even though it doesn't necessarily look open.. From what we've seen of Culpepper, he seems like a QB that is willing to do that.

 

[meanjoegreen]

In what crazy world is Steve Smith's best asset going up and getting balls in traffic?

Do you not watch Panther games? Smith might not be a tall guy, but he can can jump very high and Delhomme puts the ball up in traffic all the time for Smith.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

As a franchise and the real life NFL direction they're heading towards, sure I'll buy that.As a fantasy football offense, no way.I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other how Calvin will do with Culpepper at the helm, but Oakland's offense during those years was one of the worst in NFL history. The O-line couldn't hold a block for a quarter of a second, Moss was hurt and giving up on the team and they had no other WRs to throw too. They tried a handful of different quarterbacks, two of which had put up good fantasy numbers on other teams, and none of them could perform better than absolute worst in the league.Meanwhile, in Detroit, while they were a horrible NFL franchise, has been putting up at least decent, if not good fantasy numbers the whole time with any lousy QB they put in back there.Oakland (a few years ago) and Detroit are not even comparable when we're talking about fantasy football.

Dan Orlovsky has been with the team for two years now. He's attended OTAs, training camp, has learned the playbook and has been in practice throwing and getting in sync with WRs. He knows his WRs tendencies, he knows what his coaches expect and has just had the experience to do a decent job as QB this year.

People keep harping on this, and I could probably buy it were it not for the way that Calvin has been putting up his good fantasy numbers. It's not like he's made a living catching a bunch of slants, outs, and timing patterns that Orvlovsky has put right on the money (he actually had a TON more of these with Kitna at the helm). All of his fantasy numbers have come from a couple streaks and a couple jump balls, four of them in the last three games make up almost the entirety of his fantasy points. Just run straight and heave it.

 

[Michael Brown]

Moss in Oakland couldn't be a more dissimilar situation to Calvin in Detroit. Moss sulked, quit on the team, and stopped trying. Calvin, from all accounts, is a tireless worker and will not shut it down under any circumstances. He's the anti-Moss, if you will. So I don't see many similarities there. This looks like a case of, "This happened here with Culpepper so the same thing will happen HERE with Culpepper". The reason for Moss's lack of success had more to do with his own lack of motivation than poor play from Culpepper.

 

[Maven]

I fielded trades all day. Was able to dish him...

Megatron + R.Rice for GREG JENNINGS

I'm very excited about this trade. I already have Rodgers and my rbs are West, S.Jax and R.Brown (12 team league, traded for west...ridic, I know).

I get a WR in a better situation, schedule and get to combo him with Rodgers. I couldnt be much happier.

Anyways, good deals are possible guys. It's time to consider it IMO

 

[T.A.]

Megatron + R.Rice for Greg Jennings

You got

 

[Ripleys]

Megatron + R.Rice for Greg Jennings

You got

 

[Man In The Box]

I fielded trades all day. Was able to dish him...Megatron + R.Rice for GREG JENNINGSI'm very excited about this trade. I already have Rodgers and my rbs are West, S.Jax and R.Brown (12 team league, traded for west...ridic, I know).I get a WR in a better situation, schedule and get to combo him with Rodgers. I couldnt be much happier. Anyways, good deals are possible guys. It's time to consider it IMO

I have both CJ and Rice in a redraft. No way I'd trade them both for just Jennings. I think you're going to regret this one.

 

[Man In The Box]

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

As a franchise and the real life NFL direction they're heading towards, sure I'll buy that.As a fantasy football offense, no way.I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other how Calvin will do with Culpepper at the helm, but Oakland's offense during those years was one of the worst in NFL history. The O-line couldn't hold a block for a quarter of a second, Moss was hurt and giving up on the team and they had no other WRs to throw too. They tried a handful of different quarterbacks, two of which had put up good fantasy numbers on other teams, and none of them could perform better than absolute worst in the league.Meanwhile, in Detroit, while they were a horrible NFL franchise, has been putting up at least decent, if not good fantasy numbers the whole time with any lousy QB they put in back there.Oakland (a few years ago) and Detroit are not even comparable when we're talking about fantasy football.

Dan Orlovsky has been with the team for two years now. He's attended OTAs, training camp, has learned the playbook and has been in practice throwing and getting in sync with WRs. He knows his WRs tendencies, he knows what his coaches expect and has just had the experience to do a decent job as QB this year.

People keep harping on this, and I could probably buy it were it not for the way that Calvin has been putting up his good fantasy numbers. It's not like he's made a living catching a bunch of slants, outs, and timing patterns that Orvlovsky has put right on the money (he actually had a TON more of these with Kitna at the helm). All of his fantasy numbers have come from a couple streaks and a couple jump balls, four of them in the last three games make up almost the entirety of his fantasy points. Just run straight and heave it.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

As a franchise and the real life NFL direction they're heading towards, sure I'll buy that.As a fantasy football offense, no way.I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other how Calvin will do with Culpepper at the helm, but Oakland's offense during those years was one of the worst in NFL history. The O-line couldn't hold a block for a quarter of a second, Moss was hurt and giving up on the team and they had no other WRs to throw too. They tried a handful of different quarterbacks, two of which had put up good fantasy numbers on other teams, and none of them could perform better than absolute worst in the league.Meanwhile, in Detroit, while they were a horrible NFL franchise, has been putting up at least decent, if not good fantasy numbers the whole time with any lousy QB they put in back there.Oakland (a few years ago) and Detroit are not even comparable when we're talking about fantasy football.

Dan Orlovsky has been with the team for two years now. He's attended OTAs, training camp, has learned the playbook and has been in practice throwing and getting in sync with WRs. He knows his WRs tendencies, he knows what his coaches expect and has just had the experience to do a decent job as QB this year.

People keep harping on this, and I could probably buy it were it not for the way that Calvin has been putting up his good fantasy numbers. It's not like he's made a living catching a bunch of slants, outs, and timing patterns that Orvlovsky has put right on the money (he actually had a TON more of these with Kitna at the helm). All of his fantasy numbers have come from a couple streaks and a couple jump balls, four of them in the last three games make up almost the entirety of his fantasy points. Just run straight and heave it.

+1 Culpepper not knowing the offense, not being in football shape, etc. I don't think it much matters. Step 1: 5 step drop without tripping or otherwise hurting yourself.Step 2: Throw ball as far as you can. That's where Calvin is scoring his pts. and I don't think Culpepper is a huge downgrade from the Pro Bowler Orlovsky. That being said, Detoit's next 4 games are v Jac, @ Car, v. TB and v. Ten That's a brutal pass D schedule and Yudkin has a shot at "appearing" to be right about C-Pep. If a slowdown happens over the next 4 weeks everyone will assume it's Culpepper because he's the only thing that's changed. In reality, I think the schedule could play as much of a role as anything.

 

[Meat]

Just way to many "If's" here to think that it will have a positive effect on Calvin THIS SEASON. Orlovsky was a blessing in disguise, but as others have mentioned here he has BEEN with the Lions, had been in shape, knew the playbook, had practiced with Calvin, and at the very least knew his abilities from actually working with him the past few years.

Daunte was passed on by the entire league, even DALLAS who chose to go with Brad Johnson over him. Detroit had to bring him in since it is an emergency situation. At BEST I think Daunte shows some mild accuracy and maybe has some degree of arm strength and Calvin can get some deep balls, but I feel it's not worth the risk.

I pulled the trigger yesterday and dealt Calvin + Thomas Jones for LT in a PPR league. I love Calvin, but I think we have too many weeks of "3 rec for 55 yards" ahead.

 

[BigJim®]

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

As a franchise and the real life NFL direction they're heading towards, sure I'll buy that.As a fantasy football offense, no way.I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other how Calvin will do with Culpepper at the helm, but Oakland's offense during those years was one of the worst in NFL history. The O-line couldn't hold a block for a quarter of a second, Moss was hurt and giving up on the team and they had no other WRs to throw too. They tried a handful of different quarterbacks, two of which had put up good fantasy numbers on other teams, and none of them could perform better than absolute worst in the league.Meanwhile, in Detroit, while they were a horrible NFL franchise, has been putting up at least decent, if not good fantasy numbers the whole time with any lousy QB they put in back there.Oakland (a few years ago) and Detroit are not even comparable when we're talking about fantasy football.

Dan Orlovsky has been with the team for two years now. He's attended OTAs, training camp, has learned the playbook and has been in practice throwing and getting in sync with WRs. He knows his WRs tendencies, he knows what his coaches expect and has just had the experience to do a decent job as QB this year.

People keep harping on this, and I could probably buy it were it not for the way that Calvin has been putting up his good fantasy numbers. It's not like he's made a living catching a bunch of slants, outs, and timing patterns that Orvlovsky has put right on the money (he actually had a TON more of these with Kitna at the helm). All of his fantasy numbers have come from a couple streaks and a couple jump balls, four of them in the last three games make up almost the entirety of his fantasy points. Just run straight and heave it.

+1 Culpepper not knowing the offense, not being in football shape, etc. I don't think it much matters. Step 1: 5 step drop without tripping or otherwise hurting yourself.Step 2: Throw ball as far as you can. That's where Calvin is scoring his pts. and I don't think Culpepper is a huge downgrade from the Pro Bowler Orlovsky. That being said, Detoit's next 4 games are v Jac, @ Car, v. TB and v. Ten That's a brutal pass D schedule and Yudkin has a shot at "appearing" to be right about C-Pep. If a slowdown happens over the next 4 weeks everyone will assume it's Culpepper because he's the only thing that's changed. In reality, I think the schedule could play as much of a role as anything.

I'd mentioned that Tampa and Tennessee will be tough matchups for any Detroit QB, and I agree Carolina is in that mix also. Just to be clear, I don't think anyone expects Culpepper to step in after 3 days of practice and throw for 300/4 against Jax Sunday. However, as time passes I expect Culpepper to easily exceed whatever Orlovsky would be doing under center, and emerge as an obvious improvement throwing the deep ball to Calvin. IMHO FFers should expect a 2 week transition period where Calvin is a question mark, not a sell.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I'll be starting Calvin this week against the Jags 21st ranked pass D, who allowed Fitzpatrick to double his TD total in 5 games started and the now defunct Derek Anderson to toss another in the past two games.

How he does this weekend will tell us a lot.

 

[Maven]

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

As a franchise and the real life NFL direction they're heading towards, sure I'll buy that.As a fantasy football offense, no way.

I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other how Calvin will do with Culpepper at the helm, but Oakland's offense during those years was one of the worst in NFL history. The O-line couldn't hold a block for a quarter of a second, Moss was hurt and giving up on the team and they had no other WRs to throw too. They tried a handful of different quarterbacks, two of which had put up good fantasy numbers on other teams, and none of them could perform better than absolute worst in the league.

Meanwhile, in Detroit, while they were a horrible NFL franchise, has been putting up at least decent, if not good fantasy numbers the whole time with any lousy QB they put in back there.

Oakland (a few years ago) and Detroit are not even comparable when we're talking about fantasy football.

Dan Orlovsky has been with the team for two years now. He's attended OTAs, training camp, has learned the playbook and has been in practice throwing and getting in sync with WRs. He knows his WRs tendencies, he knows what his coaches expect and has just had the experience to do a decent job as QB this year.

People keep harping on this, and I could probably buy it were it not for the way that Calvin has been putting up his good fantasy numbers. It's not like he's made a living catching a bunch of slants, outs, and timing patterns that Orvlovsky has put right on the money (he actually had a TON more of these with Kitna at the helm). All of his fantasy numbers have come from a couple streaks and a couple jump balls, four of them in the last three games make up almost the entirety of his fantasy points. Just run straight and heave it.

+1 Culpepper not knowing the offense, not being in football shape, etc. I don't think it much matters. Step 1: 5 step drop without tripping or otherwise hurting yourself.

Step 2: Throw ball as far as you can.

That's where Calvin is scoring his pts. and I don't think Culpepper is a huge downgrade from the Pro Bowler Orlovsky. That being said, Detoit's next 4 games are v Jac, @ Car, v. TB and v. Ten That's a brutal pass D schedule and Yudkin has a shot at "appearing" to be right about C-Pep. If a slowdown happens over the next 4 weeks everyone will assume it's Culpepper because he's the only thing that's changed. In reality, I think the schedule could play as much of a role as anything.

I'd mentioned that Tampa and Tennessee will be tough matchups for any Detroit QB, and I agree Carolina is in that mix also. Just to be clear, I don't think anyone expects Culpepper to step in after 3 days of practice and throw for 300/4 against Jax Sunday. However, as time passes I expect Culpepper to easily exceed whatever Orlovsky would be doing under center, and emerge as an obvious improvement throwing the deep ball to Calvin. IMHO FFers should expect a 2 week transition period where Calvin is a question mark, not a sell.

2 Weeks ?!?!?!?!?!?!Daunte is not superman. You are undervaluing the time to takes to comprehend a play book, get his timing down with wrs, get in football shape, adjust to his offensive line deficiencies, etc, etc , etc. This will go down as one of the dumbest moves in Detroit Lions history. Is there even a precedent for a QB to start the same week they signed a contract without being with the team?

Like I said, Daunte, LONG TERM fix but in the short term this year, not something worth gambling on.

And for those that said the trade I made for Jennings trade was getting owned...

Rice is not the starter, Mcgahee is still there.

+

IMO Calvin's production drop

<

Jennings production for the rest of the year

I already have Ronnie Brown, Westbrook and Steven Jackson. My wrs are Wayne Colston Cotchery. Jennings has just stumbled a little because of his matchups. Check out his schedule the rest of the way and get back to me.

 

[BigJim®]

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

As a franchise and the real life NFL direction they're heading towards, sure I'll buy that.As a fantasy football offense, no way.

I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other how Calvin will do with Culpepper at the helm, but Oakland's offense during those years was one of the worst in NFL history. The O-line couldn't hold a block for a quarter of a second, Moss was hurt and giving up on the team and they had no other WRs to throw too. They tried a handful of different quarterbacks, two of which had put up good fantasy numbers on other teams, and none of them could perform better than absolute worst in the league.

Meanwhile, in Detroit, while they were a horrible NFL franchise, has been putting up at least decent, if not good fantasy numbers the whole time with any lousy QB they put in back there.

Oakland (a few years ago) and Detroit are not even comparable when we're talking about fantasy football.

Dan Orlovsky has been with the team for two years now. He's attended OTAs, training camp, has learned the playbook and has been in practice throwing and getting in sync with WRs. He knows his WRs tendencies, he knows what his coaches expect and has just had the experience to do a decent job as QB this year.

People keep harping on this, and I could probably buy it were it not for the way that Calvin has been putting up his good fantasy numbers. It's not like he's made a living catching a bunch of slants, outs, and timing patterns that Orvlovsky has put right on the money (he actually had a TON more of these with Kitna at the helm). All of his fantasy numbers have come from a couple streaks and a couple jump balls, four of them in the last three games make up almost the entirety of his fantasy points. Just run straight and heave it.

+1 Culpepper not knowing the offense, not being in football shape, etc. I don't think it much matters. Step 1: 5 step drop without tripping or otherwise hurting yourself.

Step 2: Throw ball as far as you can.

That's where Calvin is scoring his pts. and I don't think Culpepper is a huge downgrade from the Pro Bowler Orlovsky. That being said, Detoit's next 4 games are v Jac, @ Car, v. TB and v. Ten That's a brutal pass D schedule and Yudkin has a shot at "appearing" to be right about C-Pep. If a slowdown happens over the next 4 weeks everyone will assume it's Culpepper because he's the only thing that's changed. In reality, I think the schedule could play as much of a role as anything.

I'd mentioned that Tampa and Tennessee will be tough matchups for any Detroit QB, and I agree Carolina is in that mix also. Just to be clear, I don't think anyone expects Culpepper to step in after 3 days of practice and throw for 300/4 against Jax Sunday. However, as time passes I expect Culpepper to easily exceed whatever Orlovsky would be doing under center, and emerge as an obvious improvement throwing the deep ball to Calvin. IMHO FFers should expect a 2 week transition period where Calvin is a question mark, not a sell.

2 Weeks ?!?!?!?!?!?!Daunte is not superman. You are undervaluing the time to takes to comprehend a play book, get his timing down with wrs, get in football shape, adjust to his offensive line deficiencies, etc, etc , etc. This will go down as one of the dumbest moves in Detroit Lions history. Is there even a precedent for a QB to start the same week they signed a contract without being with the team?

Like I said, Daunte, LONG TERM fix but in the short term this year, not something worth gambling on.

And for those that said the trade I made for Jennings trade was getting owned...

Rice is not the starter, Mcgahee is still there.

+

IMO Calvin's production drop

<

Jennings production for the rest of the year

I already have Ronnie Brown, Westbrook and Steven Jackson. My wrs are Wayne Colston Cotchery. Jennings has just stumbled a little because of his matchups. Check out his schedule the rest of the way and get back to me.

See you in 3 weeks. BTW- Bad trade.

 

[Maven]

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

As a franchise and the real life NFL direction they're heading towards, sure I'll buy that.As a fantasy football offense, no way.

I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other how Calvin will do with Culpepper at the helm, but Oakland's offense during those years was one of the worst in NFL history. The O-line couldn't hold a block for a quarter of a second, Moss was hurt and giving up on the team and they had no other WRs to throw too. They tried a handful of different quarterbacks, two of which had put up good fantasy numbers on other teams, and none of them could perform better than absolute worst in the league.

Meanwhile, in Detroit, while they were a horrible NFL franchise, has been putting up at least decent, if not good fantasy numbers the whole time with any lousy QB they put in back there.

Oakland (a few years ago) and Detroit are not even comparable when we're talking about fantasy football.

Dan Orlovsky has been with the team for two years now. He's attended OTAs, training camp, has learned the playbook and has been in practice throwing and getting in sync with WRs. He knows his WRs tendencies, he knows what his coaches expect and has just had the experience to do a decent job as QB this year.

People keep harping on this, and I could probably buy it were it not for the way that Calvin has been putting up his good fantasy numbers. It's not like he's made a living catching a bunch of slants, outs, and timing patterns that Orvlovsky has put right on the money (he actually had a TON more of these with Kitna at the helm). All of his fantasy numbers have come from a couple streaks and a couple jump balls, four of them in the last three games make up almost the entirety of his fantasy points. Just run straight and heave it.

+1 Culpepper not knowing the offense, not being in football shape, etc. I don't think it much matters. Step 1: 5 step drop without tripping or otherwise hurting yourself.

Step 2: Throw ball as far as you can.

That's where Calvin is scoring his pts. and I don't think Culpepper is a huge downgrade from the Pro Bowler Orlovsky. That being said, Detoit's next 4 games are v Jac, @ Car, v. TB and v. Ten That's a brutal pass D schedule and Yudkin has a shot at "appearing" to be right about C-Pep. If a slowdown happens over the next 4 weeks everyone will assume it's Culpepper because he's the only thing that's changed. In reality, I think the schedule could play as much of a role as anything.

I'd mentioned that Tampa and Tennessee will be tough matchups for any Detroit QB, and I agree Carolina is in that mix also. Just to be clear, I don't think anyone expects Culpepper to step in after 3 days of practice and throw for 300/4 against Jax Sunday. However, as time passes I expect Culpepper to easily exceed whatever Orlovsky would be doing under center, and emerge as an obvious improvement throwing the deep ball to Calvin. IMHO FFers should expect a 2 week transition period where Calvin is a question mark, not a sell.

2 Weeks ?!?!?!?!?!?!Daunte is not superman. You are undervaluing the time to takes to comprehend a play book, get his timing down with wrs, get in football shape, adjust to his offensive line deficiencies, etc, etc , etc. This will go down as one of the dumbest moves in Detroit Lions history. Is there even a precedent for a QB to start the same week they signed a contract without being with the team?

Like I said, Daunte, LONG TERM fix but in the short term this year, not something worth gambling on.

And for those that said the trade I made for Jennings trade was getting owned...

Rice is not the starter, Mcgahee is still there.

+

IMO Calvin's production drop

<

Jennings production for the rest of the year

I already have Ronnie Brown, Westbrook and Steven Jackson. My wrs are Wayne Colston Cotchery. Jennings has just stumbled a little because of his matchups. Check out his schedule the rest of the way and get back to me.

See you in 3 weeks. BTW- Bad trade.

We will see my friend, we will see.

 

[Kuz]

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

As a franchise and the real life NFL direction they're heading towards, sure I'll buy that.As a fantasy football offense, no way.

I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other how Calvin will do with Culpepper at the helm, but Oakland's offense during those years was one of the worst in NFL history. The O-line couldn't hold a block for a quarter of a second, Moss was hurt and giving up on the team and they had no other WRs to throw too. They tried a handful of different quarterbacks, two of which had put up good fantasy numbers on other teams, and none of them could perform better than absolute worst in the league.

Meanwhile, in Detroit, while they were a horrible NFL franchise, has been putting up at least decent, if not good fantasy numbers the whole time with any lousy QB they put in back there.

Oakland (a few years ago) and Detroit are not even comparable when we're talking about fantasy football.

Dan Orlovsky has been with the team for two years now. He's attended OTAs, training camp, has learned the playbook and has been in practice throwing and getting in sync with WRs. He knows his WRs tendencies, he knows what his coaches expect and has just had the experience to do a decent job as QB this year.

People keep harping on this, and I could probably buy it were it not for the way that Calvin has been putting up his good fantasy numbers. It's not like he's made a living catching a bunch of slants, outs, and timing patterns that Orvlovsky has put right on the money (he actually had a TON more of these with Kitna at the helm). All of his fantasy numbers have come from a couple streaks and a couple jump balls, four of them in the last three games make up almost the entirety of his fantasy points. Just run straight and heave it.

+1 Culpepper not knowing the offense, not being in football shape, etc. I don't think it much matters. Step 1: 5 step drop without tripping or otherwise hurting yourself.

Step 2: Throw ball as far as you can.

That's where Calvin is scoring his pts. and I don't think Culpepper is a huge downgrade from the Pro Bowler Orlovsky. That being said, Detoit's next 4 games are v Jac, @ Car, v. TB and v. Ten That's a brutal pass D schedule and Yudkin has a shot at "appearing" to be right about C-Pep. If a slowdown happens over the next 4 weeks everyone will assume it's Culpepper because he's the only thing that's changed. In reality, I think the schedule could play as much of a role as anything.

I'd mentioned that Tampa and Tennessee will be tough matchups for any Detroit QB, and I agree Carolina is in that mix also. Just to be clear, I don't think anyone expects Culpepper to step in after 3 days of practice and throw for 300/4 against Jax Sunday. However, as time passes I expect Culpepper to easily exceed whatever Orlovsky would be doing under center, and emerge as an obvious improvement throwing the deep ball to Calvin. IMHO FFers should expect a 2 week transition period where Calvin is a question mark, not a sell.

2 Weeks ?!?!?!?!?!?!Daunte is not superman. You are undervaluing the time to takes to comprehend a play book, get his timing down with wrs, get in football shape, adjust to his offensive line deficiencies, etc, etc , etc. This will go down as one of the dumbest moves in Detroit Lions history. Is there even a precedent for a QB to start the same week they signed a contract without being with the team?

Like I said, Daunte, LONG TERM fix but in the short term this year, not something worth gambling on.

And for those that said the trade I made for Jennings trade was getting owned...

Rice is not the starter, Mcgahee is still there.

+

IMO Calvin's production drop

<

Jennings production for the rest of the year

I already have Ronnie Brown, Westbrook and Steven Jackson. My wrs are Wayne Colston Cotchery. Jennings has just stumbled a little because of his matchups. Check out his schedule the rest of the way and get back to me.

See you in 3 weeks. BTW- Bad trade.

We will see my friend, we will see.

I traded for Jennings two weeks ago & it's not like he's tearing it up. It's not the worst trade but if you would of made this 2 weeks ago you wouldn't be so cocky right now..

 

[massraider]

Sure just heave it up there. It's just so easy.

One problem, you have to get the snap form the center, and drop back before you can heave it, and that is moe than enouhg time for the ball to slip out of Culpepper's teeny hands. The guy is a turnover machine. You can't just heave it up there if you don't have the ball.

oh, and Stop Playing Madden 03.

 

[BigJim®]

Detroit is more similar (overall) to Oakland than Minnesota, and Moss didn't exactly light it up in Oakland.

As a franchise and the real life NFL direction they're heading towards, sure I'll buy that.As a fantasy football offense, no way.

I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other how Calvin will do with Culpepper at the helm, but Oakland's offense during those years was one of the worst in NFL history. The O-line couldn't hold a block for a quarter of a second, Moss was hurt and giving up on the team and they had no other WRs to throw too. They tried a handful of different quarterbacks, two of which had put up good fantasy numbers on other teams, and none of them could perform better than absolute worst in the league.

Meanwhile, in Detroit, while they were a horrible NFL franchise, has been putting up at least decent, if not good fantasy numbers the whole time with any lousy QB they put in back there.

Oakland (a few years ago) and Detroit are not even comparable when we're talking about fantasy football.

Dan Orlovsky has been with the team for two years now. He's attended OTAs, training camp, has learned the playbook and has been in practice throwing and getting in sync with WRs. He knows his WRs tendencies, he knows what his coaches expect and has just had the experience to do a decent job as QB this year.

People keep harping on this, and I could probably buy it were it not for the way that Calvin has been putting up his good fantasy numbers. It's not like he's made a living catching a bunch of slants, outs, and timing patterns that Orvlovsky has put right on the money (he actually had a TON more of these with Kitna at the helm). All of his fantasy numbers have come from a couple streaks and a couple jump balls, four of them in the last three games make up almost the entirety of his fantasy points. Just run straight and heave it.

+1 Culpepper not knowing the offense, not being in football shape, etc. I don't think it much matters. Step 1: 5 step drop without tripping or otherwise hurting yourself.

Step 2: Throw ball as far as you can.

That's where Calvin is scoring his pts. and I don't think Culpepper is a huge downgrade from the Pro Bowler Orlovsky. That being said, Detoit's next 4 games are v Jac, @ Car, v. TB and v. Ten That's a brutal pass D schedule and Yudkin has a shot at "appearing" to be right about C-Pep. If a slowdown happens over the next 4 weeks everyone will assume it's Culpepper because he's the only thing that's changed. In reality, I think the schedule could play as much of a role as anything.

I'd mentioned that Tampa and Tennessee will be tough matchups for any Detroit QB, and I agree Carolina is in that mix also. Just to be clear, I don't think anyone expects Culpepper to step in after 3 days of practice and throw for 300/4 against Jax Sunday. However, as time passes I expect Culpepper to easily exceed whatever Orlovsky would be doing under center, and emerge as an obvious improvement throwing the deep ball to Calvin. IMHO FFers should expect a 2 week transition period where Calvin is a question mark, not a sell.

2 Weeks ?!?!?!?!?!?!Daunte is not superman. You are undervaluing the time to takes to comprehend a play book, get his timing down with wrs, get in football shape, adjust to his offensive line deficiencies, etc, etc , etc. This will go down as one of the dumbest moves in Detroit Lions history. Is there even a precedent for a QB to start the same week they signed a contract without being with the team?

Like I said, Daunte, LONG TERM fix but in the short term this year, not something worth gambling on.

And for those that said the trade I made for Jennings trade was getting owned...

Rice is not the starter, Mcgahee is still there.

+

IMO Calvin's production drop

<

Jennings production for the rest of the year

I already have Ronnie Brown, Westbrook and Steven Jackson. My wrs are Wayne Colston Cotchery. Jennings has just stumbled a little because of his matchups. Check out his schedule the rest of the way and get back to me.

See you in 3 weeks. BTW- Bad trade.

We will see my friend, we will see.

BTW- I should have said this is an iffy trade IMHO in redraft, and 'bad' trade only in keeper.

 

[detox]

Just Sold Mega

Packaged Megatron and Lendale White

for

Boldin and Jones-Drew

Just to give you guys an idea of value

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit.

Calvin was having success with Orlovsky, because Orlovsky knows the Lions offense, has worked in the past with the offense, and is a decent to good QB. because Calvin is a stud.

Fixed.

so you're saying that Orlovsky doesn't know the Lions offense, and hasn't worked in the past with the offense, and isn't a decent QB? Ok.

No he's terrible.. I don't know many decent QB's that don't know where the endzone line is. Put Orlovsky in oakland and his #'s would be awful. Dan is a product Calvin Johnson..... PeriodEdit to add...

I would not take Jennings for Calvin straight.. Very bad deal for you.

 

[joffer]

Sure just heave it up there. It's just so easy. One problem, you have to get the snap form the center, and drop back before you can heave it, and that is moe than enouhg time for the ball to slip out of Culpepper's teeny hands. The guy is a turnover machine. You can't just heave it up there if you don't have the ball.

he managed to throw 39 TDs four years ago with those small hands. have they gotten smaller?

 

[atcdav]

So what happened to Stanton? Everyone is assuming Culpepper is taking over. Detroit is down to no QBs so isnt it possible Culpepper was signed just out of desperation to have a back up. Stanton will start this week and if he performs he will probably continue to start until Orlovsky returns or he screws up too bad.

BTW I offered Calvin for Lynch. The Roddy owner wasnt interested in Calvin, I assume the Boldin and Fitz owner wouldnt be either. I dont see a sell high scenerio happening with him myself.

 

[Maven]

and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit.

Calvin was having success with Orlovsky, because Orlovsky knows the Lions offense, has worked in the past with the offense, and is a decent to good QB. because Calvin is a stud.

Fixed.

so you're saying that Orlovsky doesn't know the Lions offense, and hasn't worked in the past with the offense, and isn't a decent QB? Ok.

No he's terrible.. I don't know many decent QB's that don't know where the endzone line is. Put Orlovsky in oakland and his #'s would be awful. Dan is a product Calvin Johnson..... PeriodEdit to add...

I would not take Jennings for Calvin straight.. Very bad deal for you.

How do you see Calvin with more upside than Greg Jennings from this point out? I dont understand that one? Schedule ....... Jennings

QB........... Jennings

Team.......Jennings

Looks ..... Jennings

Less Double teams ..... Jennings

Passing offense? .......Jennings

What am I missing here?

Only advantage I see from Calvin is that he plays in doors?

 

[massraider]

Sure just heave it up there. It's just so easy. One problem, you have to get the snap form the center, and drop back before you can heave it, and that is moe than enouhg time for the ball to slip out of Culpepper's teeny hands. The guy is a turnover machine. You can't just heave it up there if you don't have the ball.

he managed to throw 39 TDs four years ago with those small hands. have they gotten smaller?

No, he fumbled a lot then, too.

 

[SproutDaddy]

and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit.

Calvin was having success with Orlovsky, because Orlovsky knows the Lions offense, has worked in the past with the offense, and is a decent to good QB. because Calvin is a stud.

Fixed.

so you're saying that Orlovsky doesn't know the Lions offense, and hasn't worked in the past with the offense, and isn't a decent QB? Ok.

No he's terrible.. I don't know many decent QB's that don't know where the endzone line is. Put Orlovsky in oakland and his #'s would be awful. Dan is a product Calvin Johnson..... PeriodEdit to add...

I would not take Jennings for Calvin straight.. Very bad deal for you.

How do you see Calvin with more upside than Greg Jennings from this point out? I dont understand that one? Schedule ....... Jennings

QB........... Jennings

Team.......Jennings

Looks ..... Jennings

Less Double teams ..... Jennings

Passing offense? .......Jennings

What am I missing here?

Only advantage I see from Calvin is that he plays in doors?

In all 3 of my leagues Calvin has done MORE with less, and will continue to do so. He is the ultimate studness when it comes to WRs. Jennings is very, very good, but I highly doubt he'd put up CJ2 #'s if he was in Motown.

 

[FantasyTrader]

So what happened to Stanton? Everyone is assuming Culpepper is taking over. Detroit is down to no QBs so isnt it possible Culpepper was signed just out of desperation to have a back up. Stanton will start this week and if he performs he will probably continue to start until Orlovsky returns or he screws up too bad. BTW I offered Calvin for Lynch. The Roddy owner wasnt interested in Calvin, I assume the Boldin and Fitz owner wouldnt be either. I dont see a sell high scenerio happening with him myself.

The Lions staff have said under no circumstances do they want Stanton to see the field this year. The words, "we don't want him to embarrass himself" were used. Sorry, no link. I heard it on ESPN radio last Sunday morning driving home from work.

 

[BigJim®]

How do you see Calvin with more upside than Greg Jennings from this point out? I dont understand that one? Schedule ....... JenningsQB........... JenningsTeam.......JenningsLooks ..... JenningsLess Double teams ..... JenningsPassing offense? .......JenningsWhat am I missing here?Only advantage I see from Calvin is that he plays in doors?

Don't get me wrong... I like Jennings and think he is a top 10 WR. However, IMHO I think you're missing quite a bit. Player more likely to be playing from behind and benefiting from garbage points? CalvinSimilarly, player more likely to lose touches when team has lead and opts to run the ball: JenningsPlayer with less competition for receptions: CalvinPlayer least likely to have production impacted by winter weather: CalvinPlayer with more talant: Calvin

 

[malice]

and yet did not explain why Calvin is having success in Detroit.

Calvin was having success with Orlovsky, because Orlovsky knows the Lions offense, has worked in the past with the offense, and is a decent to good QB. because Calvin is a stud.

Fixed.

so you're saying that Orlovsky doesn't know the Lions offense, and hasn't worked in the past with the offense, and isn't a decent QB? Ok.

No he's terrible.. I don't know many decent QB's that don't know where the endzone line is. Put Orlovsky in oakland and his #'s would be awful. Dan is a product Calvin Johnson..... PeriodEdit to add...

I would not take Jennings for Calvin straight.. Very bad deal for you.

How do you see Calvin with more upside than Greg Jennings from this point out? I dont understand that one? Schedule ....... Jennings

QB........... Jennings

Team.......Jennings

Looks ..... Jennings

Less Double teams ..... Jennings

Passing offense? .......Jennings

What am I missing here?

Only advantage I see from Calvin is that he plays in doors?

In all 3 of my leagues Calvin has done MORE with less, and will continue to do so. He is the ultimate studness when it comes to WRs. Jennings is very, very good, but I highly doubt he'd put up CJ2 #'s if he was in Motown.

Please don't forget the J in CJ stands for "Johnson" not "Jesus". Scale back on the hyperbole a bit.Reggie Wayne. Braylon Edwards. Chad Johnson. TJ Housh. Randy Moss. Terrell Owens. Brandon Marshall. What do all these names have in common? Talented WRs that run into strings of games bigger than just their talent alone. CJ may be playing out of his mind right now, but he can't keep it up. Last week was the first statistically good week he's had. When he puts a string of those together, then you can crown his ###.

Any team that is set to make the playoffs I don't frown upon for considering a CJ for Jennings trade. There's no denying Jennings has a nicer schedule for the playoffs. Plus GB looks like they will have a hell of a lot more to play for during those weeks.

 

[FantasyTrader]

You were forming an argument that had me listening until this gem..."last week was the first statistically good week he's had. When he puts a string of those together, then you can crown his ###."

2 catches for 154 yds and a TD two weeks ago and another 4 for 54 and a TD a week ago is what I'd call a string. It isn't a Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson string, but pretty darn good.

 

[malice]

You were forming an argument that had me listening until this gem..."last week was the first statistically good week he's had. When he puts a string of those together, then you can crown his ###."2 catches for 154 yds and a TD two weeks ago and another 4 for 54 and a TD a week ago is what I'd call a string. It isn't a Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson string, but pretty darn good.

The 2 catches for 154 yds was pure luck. Ask FFers who started Brandon Marshall last week how they feel about that kind of opportunity (he was a PI call away from similar numbers). The TDs make those numbers more acceptable than they really are for someone you're relying on as a WR1 week-to-week. Now you're throwing the THIRD different QB into the mix in a month's time on a 0-8 team...it's nice to continue to reap the benefits, but the line separating his week 3/week 5 numbers and his numbers up until last week was ultra-thin. When it comes to the playoffs, I want a QB1/RB1/WR1 trio that I can count on, and there are about 6-8 other WRs I'd consider over CJ down the stretch.

 

[atcdav]

So what happened to Stanton? Everyone is assuming Culpepper is taking over. Detroit is down to no QBs so isnt it possible Culpepper was signed just out of desperation to have a back up. Stanton will start this week and if he performs he will probably continue to start until Orlovsky returns or he screws up too bad. BTW I offered Calvin for Lynch. The Roddy owner wasnt interested in Calvin, I assume the Boldin and Fitz owner wouldnt be either. I dont see a sell high scenerio happening with him myself.

The Lions staff have said under no circumstances do they want Stanton to see the field this year. The words, "we don't want him to embarrass himself" were used. Sorry, no link. I heard it on ESPN radio last Sunday morning driving home from work.

So what's the point of the Lions rostering the guy then??