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Cjw_55106

Cjw_55106

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I am the first to admit, I am a biased parent. Looking for feedback from anyone of course (schtick incuded), but mainly coaches.

My son is a sophomore and plays on the 10th grade basketball team. He played sparringly to say the least the first 4 games of the year, all loses (We knew going in, the team would be bad).

In the 5th game, they only had 7 players (usually have 10) so he played more in the one game than he did in the previous combined. He scored 13 of the teams 39 points in a 39-38 win. He doesnt shoot enough IMO so it isnt as if he went Kobe on the team and took a ton of shots.

The 6th game, they got blown out. He actually started and again led the team with 13 points and didnt miss any shots.

They had a week or so off with Christmas, but he went to the few practices they sprinkled in. The played yesterday and I was surpised to see he wasnt starting. However, he played quite a bit in the first half (probably 10 of the 14 minutes) and scored 5 points on 3 shots. He never left the bench the second half. They again lost, this time by a dozen points.

I cant make any sense of the strategy being implemented here? I personally am against parents interacting with coaches in regards to playing time, so I wont address that with him. Sadly, I know 99% of 15 year olds wont ask for themselves either. :kicksrock:

 
Playing players who always lose games, and not playing players who win games, and sitting those winning players the entire second half is called the L. Miller coaching philosophy. Its very popular in the Miami area.

 
I dont think we have enough info here to help. What position, does he understand the offense, any good at defense, who does he play behind, etc?

 
Maybe the coach doesn't like what he sees in practice? Poor defense, poor practice habits, whatever.

I say, let it go and tell your kid to keep practicing hard.

 
Im going to set you straight. Who allows their son to play basketball over hockey. I blame you for your son not playing so much

 
Maybe he did something to piss the coach off so he's kind of in the dog house. Maybe complaining about not playing enough or a million other things that could put a player in that spot.

 
Joe Summer said:
Maybe the coach doesn't like what he sees in practice? Poor defense, poor practice habits, whatever. I say, let it go and tell your kid to keep practicing hard.
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The only thing I would add is that I would have your son ask the coach what he needs to do to get more playing time.

 
Joe Summer said:
Maybe the coach doesn't like what he sees in practice? Poor defense, poor practice habits, whatever. I say, let it go and tell your kid to keep practicing hard.
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Yeah, Ive told him that many times. After the third game, the coach got after the team for poor effort in practice and he told my son if he works like he was the rest of the week, he'd start the 4th game. The 4th game rolled around and not only did he not start, he played less than 5 minutes. I cant believe his effort fell that much, if at all.

 
if he is a pointguard have him ask for a trade to the bucks take that to the bank brohan

 
NutterButter said:
Maybe he did something to piss the coach off so he's kind of in the dog house. Maybe complaining about not playing enough or a million other things that could put a player in that spot.
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Possible, but he doesnt have that type of peronality. He would never complain openly about playing time. I guess the coach could have over heard him, but unlikely.

 
No shtick answer

You can email the coach and ask what your son can do to get more pt. It is not argumentative, it is not judging him. I coach varsity soccer and would be more than happy to address an email like that. The problems come from parents who demand their kids play or are heated from the start.

It could also stem from the coach feeling more comfortable with the upper classmen who have been there before. Having confidence in a player goes a long way for me. They can score 5 goals in a game, but if I feel like they are a liability, they wont get much pt.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
NutterButter said:
Maybe he did something to piss the coach off so he's kind of in the dog house. Maybe complaining about not playing enough or a million other things that could put a player in that spot.
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Possible, but he doesnt have that type of peronality. He would never complain openly about playing time. I guess the coach could have over heard him, but unlikely.
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There is a difference between "complaining about playing time" and "asking the coach what it will take to get more playing time."
 
Scoring is only one part of the game. If he's turning the ball over like crazy or getting schooled on defense, he could be a liability.

 
sbonomo said:
I dont think we have enough info here to help. What position, does he understand the offense, any good at defense, who does he play behind, etc?
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He's a guard. They run a motion type offense, so the kids are either guards or forwards. No real point or shooting guards. He understands the plays and is above average at defense. Hard to say who plays in front of him as there doesnt appear to be a system in place. Clearly, the team has no superstars.

 
brohan look you said your son plays on a team with no real system where you do not know who is in front of him and he is sort of good at d are you sure he is not already on the bucks take that to the bank

 
humpback said:
Scoring is only one part of the game. If he's turning the ball over like crazy or getting schooled on defense, he could be a liability.
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Definitly. That isnt the case either. He is almost always covering the other team's point guard, so they dont try to "hide" him.

 
Joe Summer said:
Cjw_55106 said:
NutterButter said:
Maybe he did something to piss the coach off so he's kind of in the dog house. Maybe complaining about not playing enough or a million other things that could put a player in that spot.
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Possible, but he doesnt have that type of peronality. He would never complain openly about playing time. I guess the coach could have over heard him, but unlikely.
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There is a difference between "complaining about playing time" and "asking the coach what it will take to get more playing time."
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Agreed. I was simply replying to the comment.

 
AcerFC said:
No shtick answer

You can email the coach and ask what your son can do to get more pt. It is not argumentative, it is not judging him. I coach varsity soccer and would be more than happy to address an email like that. The problems come from parents who demand their kids play or are heated from the start.

It could also stem from the coach feeling more comfortable with the upper classmen who have been there before. Having confidence in a player goes a long way for me. They can score 5 goals in a game, but if I feel like they are a liability, they wont get much pt.
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Thabnks Acer. The kids are all 10th graders and the coach is new to the school, which is unfortunate as the former coach was great. The "new guy" is at his first gig and I think he's just winging it. I'd put his age at about 23?

 
Of course, this was more of a venting thread than anything. I just dont understand how you go from rarely playing, to leading the team for two games, playing most of the first half and then sitting an entire half. Second time in seven games he sat an entire half by the way. It just doesnt add up.

 
Since we aren't talking powerhouse DeLaSalle basketball, I think you could ask the coach for insight into how your son could get more minutes.

I'm with the above, the coaches might suck.

 
honest question some districts give coaches a stipend and first kick over members of the public sometimes that works out and you just have a natural coach on staff but sometimes you end up guys who sort of know a little about basketball coaching and really know that they would like a check what do you think you got there brohan i will hang up and listen while i take it to the bank

 
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Have you asked your son why he isn't playing? Do you honestly believe he's as in the dark as you? If so, Id take the advice to ask what he can do to earn more minutes.

What is meant by "10th grade bball"? JV?

 
SWC said:
honest question some districts give coaches a stipend and first kick over members of the public sometimes that works out and you just have a natural coach on staff but sometimes you end up guys who sort of know a little about basketball coaching and really know that they would like a check what do you think you got there brohan i will hang up and listen while i take it to the bank
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This guy isnt associated with the school other than coaching. They do get paid something, although I dont know how much. The varsity coach played D3 in the past decade and he does the hiring for the younger teams. Im sure they knew each other before he was hired. This coach did not play in college. Not sure about high school.

 
cheese said:
Have you asked your son why he isn't playing? Do you honestly believe he's as in the dark as you? If so, Id take the advice to ask what he can do to earn more minutes.

What is meant by "10th grade bball"? JV?
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He honestly doesnt know and he asked me after one of the games what he's doing wrong. Sadly, I didnt have an aswer.

I dont think it was set up this way when I was in school, but now days many of the sports have 4 teams.

Freshman

"B Squad"

JV

Varsity

 
The coach seems pretty anti-social. Ive never seen him speak to any parents. He never complains about calls during the game. I dont want Bobby Knight, but cmon.

In any case, Ive thought about talking to the varsity coach. I have a rapport with him and overall, he runs the program..but that may be a little too passive aggressive for my liking.

In the end, Im sure I'll do nothing. :bag:

 
Cjw_55106 said:
AcerFC said:
No shtick answer

You can email the coach and ask what your son can do to get more pt. It is not argumentative, it is not judging him. I coach varsity soccer and would be more than happy to address an email like that. The problems come from parents who demand their kids play or are heated from the start.

It could also stem from the coach feeling more comfortable with the upper classmen who have been there before. Having confidence in a player goes a long way for me. They can score 5 goals in a game, but if I feel like they are a liability, they wont get much pt.
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Thabnks Acer. The kids are all 10th graders and the coach is new to the school, which is unfortunate as the former coach was great. The "new guy" is at his first gig and I think he's just winging it. I'd put his age at about 23?
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Don't discount the fact that he is a new coach, and is very young. It may have been an oversight. Young coaches make mistakes too. I coach HS football and there are times I go into the game thinking I want to get a certain kid some time, but the flow of the game takes over and I completely forget. Once the buzzer hits and I look at the players at the end of the game, it dawns on me I forgot about them and I feel terrible.

Maybe he didn't do something he was supposed to do in the first half, that stopped the coach from putting him in the second half. Maybe the coach wanted to get a longer look at some other kids. There are many factors that could be in play here. I probably wouldn't even contact the coach until I saw what happened in the next game.

Agree with other poster about asking the coach what the deal is. I would never care if a parent asked me why their kid wasn't playing. It's the parents who demand things and act as if their kid is perfect and make demands.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
The coach seems pretty anti-social. Ive never seen him speak to any parents. He never complains about calls during the game. I dont want Bobby Knight, but cmon.

In any case, Ive thought about talking to the varsity coach. I have a rapport with him and overall, he runs the program..but that may be a little too passive aggressive for my liking.

In the end, Im sure I'll do nothing. :bag:
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I would NEVER go over the coach's head to the varsity guy without first talking to him. If it didn't go anywhere or the coach pissed me off, I would then maybe go over his head if I really thought my kid was being treated unfairly or that the coach was a Richard.

Also, re: complaining about coach not arguing with the refs. I coach O-line and I never argue calls. Other guys on my staff do, but I don't think it helps. If I was a ref I would never give a make up call to a complaining coach.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
I am the first to admit, I am a biased parent. Looking for feedback from anyone of course (schtick incuded), but mainly coaches.

My son is a sophomore and plays on the 10th grade basketball team. He played sparringly to say the least the first 4 games of the year, all loses (We knew going in, the team would be bad).

In the 5th game, they only had 7 players (usually have 10) so he played more in the one game than he did in the previous combined. He scored 13 of the teams 39 points in a 39-38 win. He doesnt shoot enough IMO so it isnt as if he went Kobe on the team and took a ton of shots.

The 6th game, they got blown out. He actually started and again led the team with 13 points and didnt miss any shots.

They had a week or so off with Christmas, but he went to the few practices they sprinkled in. The played yesterday and I was surpised to see he wasnt starting. However, he played quite a bit in the first half (probably 10 of the 14 minutes) and scored 5 points on 3 shots. He never left the bench the second half. They again lost, this time by a dozen points.

I cant make any sense of the strategy being implemented here? I personally am against parents interacting with coaches in regards to playing time, so I wont address that with him. Sadly, I know 99% of 15 year olds wont ask for themselves either. :kicksrock:
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He's the Lamar Miller of High School basketball.

 
what's his box plus minus? real adjusted plus minus? offensive and defensive efficiency ratings? is it a pick-and-roll offense? isolation based? real lack of details in OP, tough to evaluate based on info given. no one uses points scored anymore bro.

 
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If this coach is just the "B" team coach, just endure this year and keep working at it. I wouldn't address the issue with anyone on the coaching staff.

 
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