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#SFB14 - Live Drafts (1 Viewer)

@GregoryLKellogg

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I’m fortunate enough to have received my Golden Ticket for this year’s Scott Fish Bowl. I will be attending the Houston Live Draft.

How about you? Are you in the SFB this year? Live or slow draft? If Live, where?

Any thoughts on playing in a charity league?
 
Made it through 3 Rounds of Playoffs last year, missed the semifinals cut from 1,000 down to 500 Teams remaining by a slim margin.


I dropped in to Sports and Social in Washington, DC today, where the (3) live drafts were being held. Introduced myself to the folks in charge, and offered to fill in, if someone no-showed, because you just never know. Didn't happen, but worth a shot.

Me and my other half stuck around for a bit to watch the Drafts kick off. Participants were all psyched up and ready to roll. Pretty cool, overall.

Who's in for 2024, either online drafting or in-person, and who wants to discuss?
 
I'm in the Mickey Goldmill division live drafting in Philly next week on 7/14.
Haven't looked at anything yet so need to start doing some research, any good resources / podcasts for this year?
 
I watched a live draft today and some yesterday. It isn't as exciting as a high stakes draft watch especially since the format lends to you can pretty much do any strategy you want but it was an ok watch. The fact they go 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE 1 SF and 6 other flex spots means you can pretty much draft whatever player you think will score the most just about every time on the clock and since the rules were changed this year to be non QB heavy it isn't a QB free for all which I do like. That is 1 reason I never wanted to play SF dynasty because QBs score too much and therefor they go non stop early. Well in this format this year (Scott changes the rules every year) the scoring is really balanced between the 4 positions unlike last year were QBs were worth a lot and WR's not so much.

QBs this year get only 1 pt per 50 yards passing meaning rushing QBs and TD's are what matter most (1 per 10 rushing, 6 pts al TDs)

RBs getting only 0.5 per catch nerfs them down a little but 0.25 per carry bumps up the Derrick Henry types. (0.5 per 1st down)

WRs getting 1 PPR (0.5 per 1st down)

TE's 1.5 PPR (also 1.5 per 1st down)

The 1st down is pretty interesting so a TE gets way more for a 1st down bumping their value double compared to the other positions.

I have seen teams push down the QB and others grab 2 early. With 6 flex spots you can pretty much draft any position no need to worry about having to get your 3rd WR or 2nd RB.
 
ADP
 
It really is a ton of fun to be involved in these leagues, but my head is spinning this morning. Removing and inviting a ton of people at the last minute. And oh yeah, trying to draft my own team. Got Mahomes at 1.06. Not bad.
 
I made it to the Semi-Finals of SFB12 a couple years back.

Last year's team: Burrow 1st round, Andrews 2nd round. Higgins maybe 4th round. Needless to say, we flamed out in the regular season.

Picking from the 6 spot again this year. Will either be going Mahommes or Lamb. The guy at 5 is up, and both are there. Slight preference to start with Mahommes, but happy to go Lamb here too.
 
Took CMC with 3rd pick. It went Hurts, Allen at 1,2. After me it went Lamar and Mahomes.

Took CMC last year at 6 and then Kupp prior to his injury in 2nd round. Waited on QB and took two up and comers who instead went belly up -- Dan Jones and Kenny Pickett. QB and TE killed me last year and missed the playoffs. Won't wait this year on QB and TE.
 
My 3rd year in this. First year I got to live draft in Seattle with a former overall champion that I'm friends with now in my area.

I signed up for the Young Frankenstein division because duh. No live event within 1000 miles for me this year. But we're almost through two rounds now. I took the 9 spot (10, 11 and 12 were taken but 1-9 were available).

I went Bijan at 1.09 and Kelce at 2.04 looking forward to the 3RR getting back to me shortly.
 
QB Hurts, QB JAllen, QB Mahomes, RB CMC, QB LJackson, WR Lamb...

...I pulled the trigger on Bijan Robinson at 1.07, and that's where we're holding at now.

I took CMC last year at 1.10 as RB1, and it worked out pretty well. I favor Bijan by a hair over Breece Hall, and both by a toupee over the next tier.

@barackdhouse , were you surprised BJ was available at 1.10, or did you take him as a consolation prize after some of your other targets you'd hope would be there, were taken ahead of your pick?
 
QB Hurts, QB JAllen, QB Mahomes, RB CMC, QB LJackson, WR Lamb...

...I pulled the trigger on Bijan Robinson at 1.07, and that's where we're holding at now.

I took CMC last year at 1.10 as RB1, and it worked out pretty well. I favor Bijan by a hair over Breece Hall, and both by a toupee over the next tier.

@barackdhouse , were you surprised BJ was available at 1.10, or did you take him as a consolation prize after some of your other targets you'd hope would be there, were taken ahead of your pick?
It was 1.09 and I was somewhat torn between Bijan and Tyreek if he had fell but he went 1.08. I did some mocks where upon review I decided I had to have Bijan over the rest of the field there. Stroud and Richardson and Murray were available but I feel good about waiting on QB for a little.
 
QB Hurts, QB JAllen, QB Mahomes, RB CMC, QB LJackson, WR Lamb...

...I pulled the trigger on Bijan Robinson at 1.07, and that's where we're holding at now.

I took CMC last year at 1.10 as RB1, and it worked out pretty well. I favor Bijan by a hair over Breece Hall, and both by a toupee over the next tier.

@barackdhouse , were you surprised BJ was available at 1.10, or did you take him as a consolation prize after some of your other targets you'd hope would be there, were taken ahead of your pick?
It was 1.09 and I was somewhat torn between Bijan and Tyreek if he had fell but he went 1.08. I did some mocks where upon review I decided I had to have Bijan over the rest of the field there. Stroud and Richardson and Murray were available but I feel good about waiting on QB for a little.
I'm plenty comfortable with Bijan at 8.
I've really thought a lot about McCarthy and Darnold hurting Jefferson's value
 
Up to Dak, Lamb, Kincaid.

Puka and Kincaid both made it to me at 3.7. I really labored over it. I like a lot of WR's over the next 2-3 rounds. I'm also irrationally high on Kincaid. 1st round draft capital, defaults into being Allen's top target. He had 73 catches last year with limited usage for much of the 1st half of the season. I don't think it's a huge stretch for him to finish with ~90 catches. With the TE premium and the value at the WR position, I felt like I had to go Kincaid. I'm sure a lot of people would have gone Puka.
 
Up to Dak, Lamb, Kincaid.

Puka and Kincaid both made it to me at 3.7. I really labored over it. I like a lot of WR's over the next 2-3 rounds. I'm also irrationally high on Kincaid. 1st round draft capital, defaults into being Allen's top target. He had 73 catches last year with limited usage for much of the 1st half of the season. I don't think it's a huge stretch for him to finish with ~90 catches. With the TE premium and the value at the WR position, I felt like I had to go Kincaid. I'm sure a lot of people would have gone Puka.
I like Kincaid this year a LOT as well. I just took him at 3.04 in mine.

So that's:

1.09 Bijan
2.04 Kelce
3.04 Kincaid

few more picks have been made but JT, Henry, Achane, Kyren, McBride, Pitts and a few top QBs still on the board.
 
I'm up 2.06 and completely flummoxed at the treasure trove sitting in my lap.
Will report back shortly.

Update: 8 QB, 3RB, 5WR and 1TE gone when I came up.
I took LaPorta because he shouldn't have been there, over Barkley, JTaylor, Gibbs
JJ and AJBrown.
Taylor and JJ went right after me.
 
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I'm up 2.06 and completely flummoxed at the treasure trove sitting in my lap.
Will report back shortly.

Update: 8 QB, 3RB, 5WR and 1TE gone when I came up.
I took LaPorta because he shouldn't have been there, over Barkley, JTaylor, Gibbs
JJ and AJBrown.
Taylor and JJ went right after me.
Figuring last year it's your dream for Jefferson to fall there.
How much do you have him falling then?
 
I'm perplexed about Jefferson right now, in part due to the QB situation, in part due to the lack of Hock and, (IMHO), an underrated WR3 in KJO, in part due to a solid 1-2 punch at RB.

In his corner, I love the Coach.

As of right now, I'm letting him and that situation be someone else's business to figure out.

At my 3.06 - 9QB, 6RB, 11WR, 3TE gone when I came up.

Took Kincaid, partly because TE was where the value was, partly because I'm bullish on him, and partly because I felt denying the Allen manager the stack was more important than denying the Lamar owner Andrews, who I also heavily considered here.

I have a plan, but it's going to take some luck to pull off. Let's see what happens.
 
early discounts for some drafters out there:

Stroud as late as 3.02 as early as 1.01 that is with 232 drafts
Jefferson as late as 3.10 as early as 1.04 n=230
Kyler as late as 3.07 as early as 1.06 n=231 and so on
Burrow as late as 4.03 as early as 1.05
Dak 4.02 & 1.07
Gibbs 4.03 & 1.12
Purdy 6.03 & 2.04
D Henry 5.12 & 2.08
Pitts 6.05 & 1.03 !!!
 
The person picking at the far turn in my Draft might have been under the impression that SFB was a Dynasty League: 1.12/2.01 MH, Jr. / Caleb Williams...
 
On MFL where you can stream kickers, they have great value. In SFB14 scoring, the top kickers were even with Gibbs, Davonte Adams, Goff and Tua. Gibbs should be better this year, but I don't expect Adams, Goff or Tua to improve all that much this year. I don't understand Nico Collins and DK Metcalf going in round 4 when they were outscored by kickers who can be had 10 rounds later. Given that, McPherson at 1.12 is just dumb
 
After 6, we're up to:

Lamb
Dak
Kincaid
Jacobs
Goff
Devonta Smith

Really went back and forth over Devonta vs Metcalf. I think they're very close. Smith a little better in the PPR/1st downs aspect. Metcalf more TD upside. Ultimately, I broke a tie using the week 17 matchups. Philly plays Dallas week 17. Already having Lamb and Dak, if that game delivers, having those 3 should be huge.
 
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RB BRobinson
TE LaPorta
TE Kincaid

In the 12 picks between LaPorta and my 4.07, the RB's started to go - 6: Etienne, RWhite, Henry, Achane, Kyren and Pacheco.

I took Kincaid as TE4 - 3 more went in succession, end of 3rd: Engram, Andrews, Pitts
Only 1 WR: London as WR12
...and the last 2 Teams, besides me, without QB: JDaniels, Prescott

I hit RB again: Josh Jacobs, RB13

Burrow still out there, thought about that, to deny the Chase Manager the stack, but he'd already taken Love over Burrow in Rd 3 (hmm)...surprisingly enough, he did take a 2nd QB, but passed on Burrow again, for Purdy (hmm, again).

Very next RB off the board - Chubb at RB14 (big hmm).

Coming back to me, Burrow still there. Will be interesting to see if anyone else doubles up at QB this early, which I don't think is a good strategy.

Was not figuring Burrow into my plan, but if there at 5.06, as QB13+, I might be compelled to alter strategy and do that.
 
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After 6, we're up to:

Lamb
Dak
Kincaid
Jacobs
Goff
Devonta Smith

Really went back and forth over Devonta vs Metcalf. I think they're very close. Smith a little better in the PPR/1st downs aspect. Metcalf more TD upside. Ultimately, I broke a tie using the week 17 matchups. Philly plays Dallas week 17. Already having Lamb and Dak, if that game delivers, having those 3 should be huge.
There's a lot of mouths to feed in Seattle. I think it's a good pick
 
RB BRobinson
TE LaPorta
TE Kincaid

In the 12 picks between LaPorta and my 4.07, the RB's started to go - 6: Etienne, RWhite, Henry, Achane, Kyren and Pacheco.

I took Kincaid as TE4 - 3 more went in succession, end of 3rd: Engram, Andrews, Pitts
Only 1 WR: London as WR12
...and the last 2 Teams, besides me, without QB: JDaniels, Prescott

I hit RB again: Josh Jacobs, RB13

Burrow still out there, thought about that, to deny the Chase Manager the stack, but he'd already taken Love over Burrow in Rd 3 (hmm)...surprisingly enough, he did take a 2nd QB, but passed on Burrow again, for Purdy (hmm, again).

Very next RB off the board - Chubb at RB14 (big hmm).

Coming back to me, Burrow still there. Will be interesting to see if anyone else doubles up at QB this early, which I don't think is a good strategy.

Was not figuring Burrow into my plan, but if there at 5.06, as QB13+, I might be compelled to alter strategy and do that.
Burrow in the 5th is insane value. Honestly the 4th is really good.

I wish my leaguemates would get a little more out there with some of their picks like the Chubb pick. I took 6th thinking I'd be able to scoop up the values as people went off the rails. So far, everytime someone drops 4-5 spots past their ADP, they're gobbled up. Goff in the 5th has been my only real value pick so far.
 
I passed on QB again, haha!!!
Let's see who notices, and what kind of trouble I get into!!!

I know I should have taken Burrow, but he gets banged up and he's not much of a runner, so I see him in the same light as many of the other remaining dudes. Much higher ceiling, of course.

6 Managers picking twice before it gets back to me. They have plenty of their own holes to fill, 4 of them due to taking QB early, if they double up in Rd 5/6, to be vindictive, that's on them (Burrow being the exception).
I'll find a way.

I took Joe Mixon as RB18, instead.

Chubb going after I took Jacobs had me hoping another RB favorite might fall back to me. Far turn doubled KWalker/JCook, and Zamir went on the way back. I had Mixon ahead of all of them, right alongside Jacobs.
One of my plans had been to stack Kincaid with JCook, but that was assuming Mixon already gone. Ferguson was also a target but he also went on the comeback.

In essence, it became Burrow vs Mixon, and I felt QB was deeper than RB, even though it left me vulnerable to predation, and with everyone already having a QB and being RB light, I had to take the alternate (IMHO) 'value' piece.

I'm already getting smacked around a little. Next update should be interesting.
 
The 4th/5th/6th round is where I think some of the best WR values are. And after each of my picks in this range, they've gone on huge WR runs around me.

Currently up to:

Lamb
Dak
Kincaid
Jacobs
Goff
D Smith
Pickens
 
The 4th/5th/6th round is where I think some of the best WR values are. And after each of my picks in this range, they've gone on huge WR runs around me.

Currently up to:

Lamb
Dak
Kincaid
Jacobs
Goff
D Smith
Pickens
I could have had Jacobs. I don't like Dillon still there for GL carries and the rookie doing real well. It seems he went about the same round in mine. I was thinking it's gotta be a round later.
I wanted Goff
 
Update:

1.09 Bijan
2.04 Kelce
3.04 Kincaid
4.09 D Henry
5.04 Purdy
Last year I saw TE heavy teams and very much thought of drafting that way myself. I didn't do the best job checking in every week. The few times I did, I didn't feel it was a good move.
Did you notice this last year? Did it work out?
 
The 4th/5th/6th round is where I think some of the best WR values are. And after each of my picks in this range, they've gone on huge WR runs around me.

Currently up to:

Lamb
Dak
Kincaid
Jacobs
Goff
D Smith
Pickens
I could have had Jacobs. I don't like Dillon still there for GL carries and the rookie doing real well. It seems he went about the same round in mine. I was thinking it's gotta be a round later.
I wanted Goff
Maybe I'll be wrong, but my thinking:

Dillon was an absolute disaster last year. He only managed 2 TD's all of last year. I think they'd like for Lloyd to outperform him and be the #2.

As far as Lloyd: I think the plan would/should be to run Jacobs into the ground this year. They did his deal such that they could get out of it after 1 year. The offense is good enough to compete for a superbowl. I would think most of the time, they're wanting to rely on the veteran/former pro-bowler. And keep the wear and tear off Lloyd for much of this year.

Obviously 2023 was a mess of a year between the holdout, injuries, Raiders in general. In 2022, he was the #4 overall scoring player (using current scoring settings).
 
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Just got Goedert at pick 102. ADP is around 81, so that felt like a really nice value.
Still don't have a 2nd running back, we'll see how the turn falls. I was looking at Javonte Williams at pick 102, and he went 3 spots before me.
 
Update:

1.09 Bijan
2.04 Kelce
3.04 Kincaid
4.09 D Henry
5.04 Purdy
Last year I saw TE heavy teams and very much thought of drafting that way myself. I didn't do the best job checking in every week. The few times I did, I didn't feel it was a good move.
Did you notice this last year? Did it work out?
I don't remember from the last couple years, but I play almost exclusively TE premium formats and I tend to agree that the bully-TE approach doesn't do so well year to year.

However, I really feel the fantasy landscape is different this offseason than ever before:

1 - The TE field is deep, especially at the top. There are probably 8 names that have legit shot as finishing TE1, and even TE8 will likely be a good value (maybe considerably more than TE1)
2 - The WR field is deep, and in the SFB format especially. You can really get away with waiting on WR. This makes bully-TE more viable (as does the emphasis on QBs in early rounds) - it doesn't seem to hurt my top RB picks and there are still some really juicy WR names available in the mid 7th of this draft. (Kupp, DJ Moore, Smith, Nabers) plus everyone below them which is like a gold mine this year. Honestly in redraft I wish I could trade back.
3 - I think there is a dramatic increase in the number of league-winning or league-swinging players in later rounds that allow for more creative build types. Bully TE is typically low on my list of strategies from year to year but this year I think it's possibly perfect. Still shy about doing it in FFPC leagues but for SFB it seems solid. As any strategy it helps to pick the right players. I could have had LaPorta or McBride but took Kelce.
 
Update:

1.09 Bijan
2.04 Kelce
3.04 Kincaid
4.09 D Henry
5.04 Purdy
Last year I saw TE heavy teams and very much thought of drafting that way myself. I didn't do the best job checking in every week. The few times I did, I didn't feel it was a good move.
Did you notice this last year? Did it work out?
shorter answer is a lot of people don't execute that draft strategy very well but most years I would agree it isn't a good one
 
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