Shanahan "Disappointed" He Played Tatum Bell So Much (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

"I am disappointed with myself for playing Tatum (Bell) so much as I did. Even though he says he’s healthy, I don’t think he is as healthy as he says he is. I saw that in a game. So as a coach you have to go on your gut and you can’t just go on who’s the starter, who’s been the starter. You have to go based on how a guy practices and for what you think is best for the football team."

On what he can do with RB Tatum Bell to get him healthy

“I really don’t know. We are just going to have to wait and see. Sometimes it is rest, sometimes its treatment, sometimes a combination of both. We will evaluate it as time goes on.”

On if he thinks that rookie RB Mike Bell took a step backward in the Pittsburgh game

“I have got a lot of confidence in Mike Bell, but Mike Bell had a couple runs that he might have been able to get more yardage on in the Pittsburgh game but I say that about every running back every game. So I have a lot of confidence in Mike, he is a young player and he will play a lot for us before the season is over.”

On if RB Tatum Bell is still the starter at tailback

“Yes.”

 

[bostonfred]

RBBC

 

[thatguy]

As much as I like Shanny, I want to punch him in the face right about now. This is getting ridiculous.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

"I am disappointed with myself for playing Tatum (Bell) so much as I did. Even though he says he’s healthy, I don’t think he is as healthy as he says he is. I saw that in a game. So as a coach you have to go on your gut and you can’t just go on who’s the starter, who’s been the starter. You have to go based on how a guy practices and for what you think is best for the football team."

On what he can do with RB Tatum Bell to get him healthy

“I really don’t know. We are just going to have to wait and see. Sometimes it is rest, sometimes its treatment, sometimes a combination of both. We will evaluate it as time goes on.”

On if he thinks that rookie RB Mike Bell took a step backward in the Pittsburgh game

“I have got a lot of confidence in Mike Bell, but Mike Bell had a couple runs that he might have been able to get more yardage on in the Pittsburgh game but I say that about every running back every game. So I have a lot of confidence in Mike, he is a young player and he will play a lot for us before the season is over.”

On if RB Tatum Bell is still the starter at tailback

“Yes.”

Never has this smilie been more appropriate:

 

[JohnnyU]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

 

[Marc Levin]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

Good question - when I suggested folks think about moving TBell - before and after the Colts game - I was lambasted as a "flip flopper"Where are those folks now?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

Good question - when I suggested folks think about moving TBell - before and after the Colts game - I was lambasted as a "flip flopper"Where are those folks now?

Sharing a bunker with the Brett Favre haters.

 

[packersfan]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

Good question - when I suggested folks think about moving TBell - before and after the Colts game - I was lambasted as a "flip flopper"Where are those folks now?

With all due respect Marc, if Tatum Bell doesn't get hurt the Denver RB situation would very likely be gold for his owners given how well he was running. Now if you were arguing that Tatum owners should trade him because there was no way he was going to stay healthy as the starter that's a completely different deal. The people advocating trading him for that reason are the ones who deserve the props in my opinion.

 

[Marc Levin]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

Good question - when I suggested folks think about moving TBell - before and after the Colts game - I was lambasted as a "flip flopper"Where are those folks now?

Sharing a bunker with the Brett Favre haters.

Funny how folks pop out when they think they are right or think they can "get over"on someone's predictions (the recent LHUCKS bumpings, for example), but the same folks vanish when they are wrong - say what you will about FBG staffers making poor predictions, but we stand up when we are wrong and we publicly take our shots - and we give props when someone else was right and we were wrong.

 

[Marc Levin]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

Good question - when I suggested folks think about moving TBell - before and after the Colts game - I was lambasted as a "flip flopper"Where are those folks now?

With all due respect Marc, if Tatum Bell doesn't get hurt the Denver RB situation would very likely be gold for his owners given how well he was running. Now if you were arguing that Tatum owners should trade him because there was no way he was going to stay healthy as the starter that's a completely different deal. The people advocating trading him for that reason are the ones who deserve the props in my opinion.

Ifs and wishes and oughta beens didn't happen though.You could read the post if it could be found. He was injured with turf toe, which I called a lingering and extremely painful injury - and he had just lost Lepsis - the prognosis on TBell for the year changed with that news.I advocated folks looking at moving TBell if they could get good value.I was then blasted for flip-floping since, prior to that point, I had been pimping the heck out of TBell Not sure where your comment fits in that spectrum since TBell DID get injured and his outlook DID change, which was when my position changed.

 

[packersfan]

Ifs and wishes and oughta beens didn't happen though.You could read the post if it could be found. He was injured with turf toe, which I called a lingering and extremely painful injury - and he had just lost Lepsis - the prognosis on TBell for the year changed with that news.I advocated folks looking at moving TBell if they could get good value.I was then blasted for flip-floping since, prior to that point, I had been pimping the heck out of TBell Not sure where your comment fits in that spectrum since TBell DID get injured and his outlook DID change, which was when my position changed.

My bad. I thought you were talking about trading Tatum before the injury situation. My apologies.

 

[Two Deep]

"I am disappointed with myself for playing Tatum (Bell) so much as I did. Even though he says he’s healthy, I don’t think he is as healthy as he says he is. I saw that in a game. So as a coach you have to go on your gut and you can’t just go on who’s the starter, who’s been the starter. You have to go based on how a guy practices and for what you think is best for the football team."

On what he can do with RB Tatum Bell to get him healthy

“I really don’t know. We are just going to have to wait and see. Sometimes it is rest, sometimes its treatment, sometimes a combination of both. We will evaluate it as time goes on.”

On if he thinks that rookie RB Mike Bell took a step backward in the Pittsburgh game

“I have got a lot of confidence in Mike Bell, but Mike Bell had a couple runs that he might have been able to get more yardage on in the Pittsburgh game but I say that about every running back every game. So I have a lot of confidence in Mike, he is a young player and he will play a lot for us before the season is over.”

On if RB Tatum Bell is still the starter at tailback

“Yes.”

Never has this smilie been more appropriate:

As I bolded above: What he is really saying is, "If I wasn't a dumb ### and deactivated Mike Bell I could have pulled Tatum for his own good and the good of the team. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!

 

[Marc Levin]

My bad. I thought you were talking about trading Tatum before the injury situation. My apologies.

No worries - I am an admitted TBell pimp all summer and all year - I looked prophetic until the Colts game and now he scares the heck out of me.Shannie's comments do NOT help any - it tells me that he practriced poorly and that he turf toe is still impeding his production - that is a horrible injury to predict, and two of them should scare any reasonable owner.I just hope he turns it on by playoff time as I have him in two leagues and I am counting on him at RB2 in both.

 

[Marc Levin]

As I bolded above: What he is really saying is, "If I wasn't a dumb ### and deactivated Mike Bell I could have pulled Tatum for his own good and the good of the team. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!

Agree.

 

[packersfan]

My bad. I thought you were talking about trading Tatum before the injury situation. My apologies.

No worries - I am an admitted TBell pimp all summer and all year - I looked prophetic until the Colts game and now he scares the heck out of me.Shannie's comments do NOT help any - it tells me that he practriced poorly and that he turf toe is still impeding his production - that is a horrible injury to predict, and two of them should scare any reasonable owner.I just hope he turns it on by playoff time as I have him in two leagues and I am counting on him at RB2 in both.

After watching Tatum yesterday I'm close to thinking we may have to stick a fork in him for the rest of this season. He's clearly hurt and there's no way I see him doing any better if he continues to play than what he's done against the Colts and Raiders. I think Shanahan needs to shut him down for 2-3 weeks but given the nature of the injury even that may not be enough of an answer. What hope I have for Tatum this season is rapidly diminishing.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

Good question - when I suggested folks think about moving TBell - before and after the Colts game - I was lambasted as a "flip flopper"Where are those folks now?

Over here! Don't need him till week 14!!! Believing things will bounce back his way by then!

 

[BassNBrew]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

Good question - when I suggested folks think about moving TBell - before and after the Colts game - I was lambasted as a "flip flopper"Where are those folks now?

Well if they read your Bush material, they've probably already written this season off.

 

[LHUCKS]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

Good question - when I suggested folks think about moving TBell - before and after the Colts game - I was lambasted as a "flip flopper"Where are those folks now?

Well if they read your Bush material, they've probably already written this season off.

Dude...chill on the sig...I fixed it.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

Good question - when I suggested folks think about moving TBell - before and after the Colts game - I was lambasted as a "flip flopper"Where are those folks now?

Well if they read your Bush material, they've probably already written this season off.

Dude...chill on the sig...I fixed it.

Translation: PLEASE remove that from your sig?!!?!?!

 

[FootballFreakX]

How does a guy go from having a monster game to being deactivated (coach's decision) 2 weeks later? There has to be a lot more to this than what is being reported. Shanahan cannot be this crazy, can he?

 

[Marc Levin]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

Good question - when I suggested folks think about moving TBell - before and after the Colts game - I was lambasted as a "flip flopper"Where are those folks now?

Well if they read your Bush material, they've probably already written this season off.

Even in my PPR league where I own him, he is not living up toi what I thought he'd do. I was definitely counting on McAllister being a role player and not the feature. But, let's keep this on TBell.I was way off on Bush, for sure. I was off on a few players, but I was prophetic on some too - nature of the prediction biz.

 

[Marc Levin]

How does a guy go from having a monster game to being deactivated (coach's decision) 2 weeks later? There has to be a lot more to this than what is being reported. Shanahan cannot be this crazy, can he?

It was certainly a curious move to make MBell inactive.I think he knows he made a mistake.Not sure why he didn't run other RBs a bit more to see if they could spark the running game.Maybe we've underestimated the loss of Lepsis.

 

[phillzphan]

How does a guy go from having a monster game to being deactivated (coach's decision) 2 weeks later? There has to be a lot more to this than what is being reported. Shanahan cannot be this crazy, can he?

It was certainly a curious move to make MBell inactive.I think he knows he made a mistake.Not sure why he didn't run other RBs a bit more to see if they could spark the running game.Maybe we've underestimated the loss of Lepsis.

last time vs OAK tatum had over 80 yards. no great, but better than this week. we all expected much more. somewhere over 80 we thought was guaranteed, and somewhere over 100 was expected. tatum ran for 37. i don't think a lineman can account for 50-80+ yards..? also, his YPC was awfully similar to the first half of what it was vs. the colts...then mike bell exploded. who knows though? it sounds like shanny still likes tatum a lot, and thats very positive news from someone like shanny. it sounds like he also likes mike bell a lot. again, great news. they're a bit banged up, but it should be interesting where this picks up to.

 

[phillzphan]

levin, heres a Q for ya:

where do you see Tatum and Mike Bell's value for next year and beyond? percent each stay on the team? and if they go elsewhere, will they start?

you da man,

phillz

 

[CrossEyed]

I am SO HAPPY I dumped the Denver RBs after last season. I don't miss these headaches.

 

[packersfan]

How does a guy go from having a monster game to being deactivated (coach's decision) 2 weeks later? There has to be a lot more to this than what is being reported. Shanahan cannot be this crazy, can he?

It was certainly a curious move to make MBell inactive.

I feel very confident in saying there was more to it than just a bad game against the Steelers.

 

[Marc Levin]

levin, heres a Q for ya:where do you see Tatum and Mike Bell's value for next year and beyond? percent each stay on the team? and if they go elsewhere, will they start?

Ugh. I can't even predict what will happen next year - this year really needs to play out a bit more. Both runners are signed through '08, but Tatum's contract accelerates over the next two years - not by much, but he'll get over 450G in '07 and nearly 550G in '08. And attempt to hold out/renegotiate will probably see the team take a hard stance.I could not find salary info for Mike Bell - he may only have a one-year contract, or his contract may be subject to the collective bargaining agreement regarding rookie contracts. I simply don't know enough about his contract status.As far as performance goes, I don't know if Shanahan is happy with either as a long term solution and I would not be surprised if he looked to draft yet another RB next year.It is simply too cloudy right now for me to make a prediction.

 

[J R]

Funny how folks pop out when they think they are right or think they can "get over"on someone's predictions (the recent LHUCKS bumpings, for example), but the same folks vanish when they are wrong - say what you will about FBG staffers making poor predictions, but we stand up when we are wrong and we publicly take our shots - and we give props when someone else was right and we were wrong.hijacksign.gif

It's your site. Do you really want every single message board posting their predictions so that they can be eligible to criticize FBG staffers' predictions? I see people do that from time to time and their threads are basically ignored. But I swear there are a lot more of these crying posts by staffers and people worried about sticking up for staffers than there are actual posts criticizing predictions.

 

[Marc Levin]

Not at all J R.

We believe in accountability and we do not expect people to post their prediction just to be "eligible" to criticize us. We can take the criticism and we are fine defending our positions.

I just feel that it is unfair to criticize a change of position at mid-season based on a pre-season position on a player - or even on a position that was based on different circumstances several weeks earlier.

 

[Biabreakable]

So anyways... Skeletor shows a bit of regret for being so critical of Mike Bell that he inactivated him. Because he forgot that he believes that Tatum Bell is best when his carries are maganged more. And although he has been trying to motivate Tatum to play through pain.. now that Tatum is doing it he realises that Tatum doing so is not in his best interest or in the best interest of the team.

Skeletor is getting soft.

Now back to Marc's hijack about being able to change ones mind just like Skeletor is doing.

 

[Marc Levin]

I still have no clue why he made Mike Bell inactive - do Nash, Sapp, and Johnson really bring that much more - I have to imagine the ST and blocking issues were the crux of the decision.

 

[J R]

Skeletor is getting soft.

 

[msommer]

Shanny is going to draft another back - or pick one off the street free agents that he likes in 2007.

:shakesheadasthereisnothingnewunderthesun:

Shanahan - why do you hate America?

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

GIVE SAPP A SHOT DAMNIT.

 

[zamboni]

Shanny is going to draft another back - or pick one off the street free agents that he likes in 2007.

I've mentioned it in a past thread, but IMO Michael Turner would be a beast in that offense, and would be a coup for the Broncos to grab from their divisional rivals. The price would likely be too steep, however.

 

[Splicer]

Your 2007 starting RB of the Denver Broncos will be....

Ricky Williams.

Shanny almost had him last year and will try again.

 

[Courtjester]

I still have no clue why he made Mike Bell inactive - do Nash, Sapp, and Johnson really bring that much more - I have to imagine the ST and blocking issues were the crux of the decision.

The only thing I can think of is that Mike Bell has a tendency to run out of bounds at the end of runs and that is something that drives Shanny up the wall. He likes his backs to deliver a blow to the defender and try for that extra 1-2 yards. There was something written (and I will look for it) that Mike Bell was getting a lot of good natured ribbing from the linemen about this extact thing.Maybe that is what he means by saying Bell "left some yards out there on some of the runs."

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

This is a ploy to motivate Damien Nash

 

[Restricted]

The only thing I can think of is that Mike Bell has a tendency to run out of bounds at the end of runs and that is something that drives Shanny up the wall. He likes his backs to deliver a blow to the defender and try for that extra 1-2 yards. There was something written (and I will look for it) that Mike Bell was getting a lot of good natured ribbing from the linemen about this extact thing.Maybe that is what he means by saying Bell "left some yards out there on some of the runs."

It was Rod Smith that was giving him the ribbing and I believe it was preseason.

 

[malice]

Hell- at this point, Shanahan might just use Javon Walker as his primary RB vs SD.

 

[brewer]

This is a ploy to motivate Damien Nash

This would not have been nearly as funny if it were posted by anyone else! Thanks for the laugh Bloom.

 

[raceguy]

I still have no clue why he made Mike Bell inactive - do Nash, Sapp, and Johnson really bring that much more - I have to imagine the ST and blocking issues were the crux of the decision.

Don't forget he also deactivated Cobbs who has been the #3 all year. Go figure.

 

[T Bell]

 

[Sweeper]

Where's all that Denver RB is gold talk

Good question - when I suggested folks think about moving TBell - before and after the Colts game - I was lambasted as a "flip flopper"Where are those folks now?

Sharing a bunker with the Brett Favre haters.

Funny how folks pop out when they think they are right or think they can "get over"on someone's predictions (the recent LHUCKS bumpings, for example), but the same folks vanish when they are wrong - say what you will about FBG staffers making poor predictions, but we stand up when we are wrong and we publicly take our shots - and we give props when someone else was right and we were wrong.

:SOAPBOX:

 

[delusional]

i think all this past sucess with RBs has gotten to skeletor's head this season.

first he doesnt play tatum enough, doesnt declare a starter, tatum puts up good numbers...is declared the starter and starts the game he has two turf toes...

/foreheadslap

 

[corpcow]

I was then blasted for flip-floping since, prior to that point, I had been pimping the heck out of TBell Not sure where your comment fits in that spectrum since TBell DID get injured and his outlook DID change, which was when my position changed.

Re: "flip-flopping": You make a decision based on a set of assumptions, and sometimes those assumptions change over time. Smart people will adjust their decisions accordingly. (I don't even want to get started on this - wrong forum)(Assuming what you said is true, because I have no reason to doubt it...) - this seems like a perfect example. T.Bell won the job and was rolling. Then he gets a lingering injury and loses an important OL. So you sell while the perceived value is still high. In other words, you expect that the value you can get in return for Bell now is going to exceed the value he will give you the rest of the season, so you trade him. That goes for anyone.Unless your post was just a ploy to ... ahh, forget it.

 

[Fantasy Bum]

This is a ploy to motivate Terrell Davis.

 

[TinHat]

i think all this past sucess with RBs has gotten to skeletor's head this season.

first he doesnt play tatum enough, doesnt declare a starter, tatum puts up good numbers...is declared the starter and starts the game he has two turf toes...

/foreheadslap

fixed

 

[Ryan_21]

How does a guy go from having a monster game to being deactivated (coach's decision) 2 weeks later? There has to be a lot more to this than what is being reported. Shanahan cannot be this crazy, can he?

It was certainly a curious move to make MBell inactive.I think he knows he made a mistake.Not sure why he didn't run other RBs a bit more to see if they could spark the running game.Maybe we've underestimated the loss of Lepsis.

last time vs OAK tatum had over 80 yards. no great, but better than this week. we all expected much more. somewhere over 80 we thought was guaranteed, and somewhere over 100 was expected. tatum ran for 37. i don't think a lineman can account for 50-80+ yards..? also, his YPC was awfully similar to the first half of what it was vs. the colts...then mike bell exploded. who knows though? it sounds like shanny still likes tatum a lot, and thats very positive news from someone like shanny. it sounds like he also likes mike bell a lot. again, great news. they're a bit banged up, but it should be interesting where this picks up to.

"They" arent a bit banged up. Tatum is a bit banged up.

 

[Courtjester]

The only thing I can think of is that Mike Bell has a tendency to run out of bounds at the end of runs and that is something that drives Shanny up the wall. He likes his backs to deliver a blow to the defender and try for that extra 1-2 yards. There was something written (and I will look for it) that Mike Bell was getting a lot of good natured ribbing from the linemen about this extact thing.Maybe that is what he means by saying Bell "left some yards out there on some of the runs."

It was Rod Smith that was giving him the ribbing and I believe it was preseason.

I remember that pre-season sideline interview as well, but there was something else and I just can't find it.I might be dreaming it all up, who knows