Shane Vereen (1 Viewer)

[IheartGuinness]

I feel like that offense just loses so much without Gronk. And add another devastating injury to Gronk's resume, and I just wonder how long before this offense can be lethal again. Everyone, not just Vereen, looks pretty unreliable right now.

 

[duaneok66]

News alert: this offense sucks without Gronkowski.

post of the thread.

 

[The Kerminator]

Without Gronk the linebackers were just mauling Vereen coming out of the backfield.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Without Gronk the linebackers were just mauling Vereen coming out of the backfield.

And NE had 2 WR's with 10 catches for 125 yards. Teams will have to pick their poison and I believe most will opt to stop the WR's over the RB.

 

[The Kerminator]

Without Gronk the linebackers were just mauling Vereen coming out of the backfield.

And NE had 2 WR's with 10 catches for 125 yards. Teams will have to pick their poison and I believe most will opt to stop the WR's over the RB.

Yep. After watching the game film future opponents will have a decision to make. No worries with Vereen. Miami obviously concentrated on Vereen with Thompkins and Dobson out.

 

[houston]

WR stats were padded during last two minutes, the whole offense struggled today.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

From what I saw the Pats had major protection issues that resulted in a double whammy....Vereen had to pass protect more than theyd want and it also required more quick drops and throws....there really wasnt any time to hit those wheel routes and longer developing plays

 

[Sarnoff]

He was on the field for a lot of snaps, but the plays didn't go his way. Brady also threw at least two passes into his ankles trying to hurry out of a rush.

 

[Das Boot]

Somehow feels a tiny bit better with the Pats losing. Obviously THIS didn't work.

Sums up my feelings as well.

 

[Billy Bats]

I have some comfort that this decision didn't cost me the playoff game, my whole team #### the bed today.

To those for continuing on the your championships, good luck.

 

[Sarnoff]

CBS is showing a Vereen Fumble. I didn't see it.

He didn't. Official scorer mis-keyed "offense #34" when Thigpen, Miami's #34, muffed a punt catch early in the game.

CBS just fixed it.

 

[Ladsud]

3 carries last week, 2 this week, which were right at the half kill the clock bs so it might as well have been zero carries. I dont understand telegraphing the playcalling that much. The guy had two games in a row with 10 carries, now he gets 3 and 0, dont get it.

 

[Insein]

Between Shane and Andre I got a combined 2 pts. Thankfully everyone else blew up. Ill still start him next week but mainly because I have no one else. Hopefully mjd is still hurt so I can throw in todman.

 

[Phenix]

Billy boy was trying to be too slick and under utilize a playmaker for a welker get down on the ground as soon as u catch it clone.

while Edelman is a great ppr guy, he isnt a playmaker. Vereen can make things happen. The wrong guy got it 13 times and it explains the loss.

 

[need2know]

hurt me badly today. gonna keep starting him cause i believe

 

[Phenix]

hurt me badly today. gonna keep starting him cause i believe

While Billy Boy was dumb today, he is smart enough to realize what went wrong.

Stop messing around and get it to Vereen.

Seriously with this cast of characters he gets the ball the least? Really?

 

[Mistabishi]

Between Shane and Andre I got a combined 2 pts. Thankfully everyone else blew up. Ill still start him next week but mainly because I have no one else. Hopefully mjd is still hurt so I can throw in todman.

We had the exact same RBs. I could still win but need Pitta to become the next big thing.

 

[Ballstein]

never ever depend on Patriot RB's. When will people ever learn

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Anyone posting that Vereen makes things happen…show me how? Miami had him covered today, sometimes double covered, when he did catch it he did nothing. He was ZERO part of the ground attack outside of a couple meaningless hand offs before the half.

I understand owners feeling like they got hosed today that I get but what do people see that is magic? He just seems like a PPR machine if he goes uncovered out of the back field for Brady.

I'm asking here, I'm not saying I have all the answers but I think we saw today what his limitations are.

 

[need2know]

Anyone posting that Vereen makes things happen…show me how? Miami had him covered today, sometimes double covered, when he did catch it he did nothing. He was ZERO part of the ground attack outside of a couple meaningless hand offs before the half.

I understand owners feeling ilk they got hosed today that I get but what do people see that is magic? He just seems like a PPR machine if he goes uncovered out of the back field for Brady.

I'm asking here, I'm not saying I have all the answers but I think we saw today what his limitations are.

he got no carries. if they had given him 10 carries he would have led the team in rushing. why did they not do this? ask the hoodie...makes no sense to me. hes by far their best rb

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Anyone posting that Vereen makes things happen…show me how? Miami had him covered today, sometimes double covered, when he did catch it he did nothing. He was ZERO part of the ground attack outside of a couple meaningless hand offs before the half.

I understand owners feeling ilk they got hosed today that I get but what do people see that is magic? He just seems like a PPR machine if he goes uncovered out of the back field for Brady.

I'm asking here, I'm not saying I have all the answers but I think we saw today what his limitations are.

he got no carries. if they had given him 10 carries he would have led the team in rushing. why did they not do this? ask the hoodie...makes no sense to me. hes by far their best rb

OK so you don't believe Ridley or Blount are a better back running between the Tackles? I think Vereen is a better receiver than both of these backs and I mainly am referring to his hands.

 

[Bengalsfan]

I'm fighting for my life tomorrow night thanks to my decision to play Vereen. Ugh! Sat Bell and Jennings for him. :-(

 

[PatsWillWin]

Anyone posting that Vereen makes things happen…show me how? Miami had him covered today, sometimes double covered, when he did catch it he did nothing. He was ZERO part of the ground attack outside of a couple meaningless hand offs before the half.

I understand owners feeling like they got hosed today that I get but what do people see that is magic? He just seems like a PPR machine if he goes uncovered out of the back field for Brady.

I'm asking here, I'm not saying I have all the answers but I think we saw today what his limitations are.

You just answered your own question - he's been a PPR machine in every game that he's played, except for this week. I don't think anyone called him "magic." He's also really good at getting open down field and swatting balls up into the air.

 

[BigTex]

I sat Chris Johnson.........going with Vereen.

Obvious mistake but with C Johnson tomorrow night I still have a chance.

 

[elbowrm]

Maybe Bill thought he fumbled too. Damn you CBS!

 

[rjv]

Up buy 14 but vereen killed me. Had todman on my bench but in hindsight of course should of played him but c'mon, all we're starting vereen. It's BB stubbornness that killed vereen's performance.

 

[kyoun1e]

Up buy 14 but vereen killed me. Had todman on my bench but in hindsight of course should of played him but c'mon, all we're starting vereen. It's BB stubbornness that killed vereen's performance.

Incorrect.

If you watched the game (vs. just the box score) you would have seen that Miami had somebody shadowing Vereen every time he went out in the flat. I mean, every single time. And it wasn't token coverage, it was tight.

Have to give credit to Miami's D.

 

[rjv]

Up buy 14 but vereen killed me. Had todman on my bench but in hindsight of course should of played him but c'mon, all we're starting vereen. It's BB stubbornness that killed vereen's performance.

Incorrect.

If you watched the game (vs. just the box score) you would have seen that Miami had somebody shadowing Vereen every time he went out in the flat. I mean, every single time. And it wasn't token coverage, it was tight.

Have to give credit to Miami's D.

Understood

 

[KCitons]

Lot's of this stuff was covered 6 months ago.

What do people think about Vereen lining up wide? If he were to get a few WR-type targets per game, he could be startable even if he never does better than Faulk/Woodhead in the 3rd down RB role.

This is what I was referring to a few pages back, when I said I didn't think Vereen would be in a better position if Ridley was injured. I would much rather have Vereen with 5-10 carries and 5-10 catches per game. Instead of 20 carries between the tackles and 2-3 catches.

There's no way he's going to get 5-10 catches per game.

Woodhead topped out at 40 last year, and he is better than Vereen.

Vereen has 40 catches in 6 games played.

I agree that Vereen may takeover Woodhead's production. Every team is unique, so how he fits into the starting lineup will be different for everyone. As my RB3/flex, he will be going up against players like Lance Moore, Emmanuel Sanders and possible Alshon Jeffery. Even if I take Woodhead's 2012 points, he may not make it into the starting lineup. Throw in one or two weeks that BB benches him for a fumble, and I think it's a recipe for frustration.

If your biggest worry about your lineup is whether you're going to have a spot for Vereen because you've got last year's WR21 (Lance Moore) as your flex, you're either in an 8-team league or in line for a pretty successful season.

Exactly. It's funny how some people are overthinking this. Vereen is more dynamic than Woodhead, so if, for the sake of argument, he gets the same amount of touches, he will do way more with them than Woodhead did.

Not to sound like a jerk. But I don't believe I am overthinking it. In our league, Vereen averaged 5.5 pts per game last year. Woodhead 10.5 pts. And L Moore 13 pts. I

Throw in the unpredictability of the Pats game plan from week to week and the concerns of BB benching him due to fumbles, why would a team blindly start Vereen?

What happen's if the Pats are leading by 14-20 pts in the third quarter. Are they going to rely on Vereen to pound the ball? You can hope that Vereen is part of the reason the Pats leading but there are too many other people that could take touches.

You keep saying "IF" he gets the same amount of touches as Woodhead, he will do "way " more with them than Woodhead. That's a lot of speculation without substance to back it up. If he was that much better than Woodhead, why didn't Vereen produce more last year?

Like I said, the opportunity to move Vereen has passed. Others are reporting that they are having difficulty trading him. So, I guess everyone is overthinking him.

That's what happened this week

I will leave it at this. I am not alone in my concerns about Vereen. Read the last few weeks of this thread. I'm just the only one that has engaged in the discussion with multiple people that disagree with me. (those people are also Vereen owners) Not saying a group of people can't be wrong, just saying I'm not the only one pissing into the wind.

Lastly. Vereen has found himself in BB's doghouse more than once since joining the Pats. Talent or not, BB will leave little doubt that he is in charge. So, the fantasy owner needs Vereen to dodge competition, injuries and the other teams defense to be successful. Having to dodge the guys own coach, just creates an obstacle that other players don't have to deal with.

I'm still looking to trade Vereen in the off season.

 

[[icon]]

Up buy 14 but vereen killed me. Had todman on my bench but in hindsight of course should of played him but c'mon, all we're starting vereen. It's BB stubbornness that killed vereen's performance.

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Any chance you could put that in [ spoiler ] tags so only folks that want to see that mess will have to look at it?

 

[rjv]

Up buy 14 but vereen killed me. Had todman on my bench but in hindsight of course should of played him but c'mon, all we're starting vereen. It's BB stubbornness that killed vereen's performance.

2 line post.... 20 line gaudy colored sig.

Any chance you could put that in [ spoiler ] tags so only folks that want to see that mess will have to look at it?

Wow ok where did this come from. Sorry I'll fix it for you.

 

[elbowrm]

I think some of this concern is greatly overblown. He has the PPR ceiling of a top 5 RB, but with a floor more associated with a WR or TE (Jimmy Graham, anyone?), because like a WR or TE there will be games where he's just not involved. Unlike a typical RB where it's easier to see the tough matchups ahead of time, the variability will be tougher to predict. For me, I like having a good balance between this type of player and more consistent performers, and in best ball leagues or leagues where total points are more weighted, he's gold.

 

[Insein]

Up buy 14 but vereen killed me. Had todman on my bench but in hindsight of course should of played him but c'mon, all we're starting vereen. It's BB stubbornness that killed vereen's performance.

2 line post.... 20 line gaudy colored sig.

Any chance you could put that in [ spoiler ] tags so only folks that want to see that mess will have to look at it?

One nice thing about the mobile site. No sigs.

 

[stbugs]

Up buy 14 but vereen killed me. Had todman on my bench but in hindsight of course should of played him but c'mon, all we're starting vereen. It's BB stubbornness that killed vereen's performance.

In PPR, you played the right guy. If anyone in their right mind had played Todman over Vereen in PPR, they were lucky. FBGs had Vereen as the #1RB in PPR. Since he has been back Vereen has averaged over 20 ppg in PPR. Sorry, but you can't bench that. If anything, you think about Todman over the other RB, unless it was Charles, in which case what Vereen did didn't matter anyway.

 

[humpback]

Lot's of this stuff was covered 6 months ago.

What do people think about Vereen lining up wide? If he were to get a few WR-type targets per game, he could be startable even if he never does better than Faulk/Woodhead in the 3rd down RB role.

This is what I was referring to a few pages back, when I said I didn't think Vereen would be in a better position if Ridley was injured. I would much rather have Vereen with 5-10 carries and 5-10 catches per game. Instead of 20 carries between the tackles and 2-3 catches.

There's no way he's going to get 5-10 catches per game.

Woodhead topped out at 40 last year, and he is better than Vereen.

Vereen has 40 catches in 6 games played.

There have been several unforeseen circumstances this year which have led to this, and we'll see how he does if/when teams start gameplanning for him (like it appears they did this week).

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Without Gronk the linebackers were just mauling Vereen coming out of the backfield.

And NE had 2 WR's with 10 catches for 125 yards. Teams will have to pick their poison and I believe most will opt to stop the WR's over the RB.

Yep. After watching the game film future opponents will have a decision to make. No worries with Vereen. Miami obviously concentrated on Vereen with Thompkins and Dobson out.

IMO this is where the discussion's at, the impact of no Gronkowski.

You've got Edelman, Amendola, Vereen as the passing triangle now.

I'd say if you can get Dobson and Thompkins back to work the deep routes better, that helps clear out the middle.

Anyone have any info on Dobson and KT possibly coming back? And also any opinions on the matchup @ BAL?

 

[stbugs]

Lot's of this stuff was covered 6 months ago.

What do people think about Vereen lining up wide? If he were to get a few WR-type targets per game, he could be startable even if he never does better than Faulk/Woodhead in the 3rd down RB role.

This is what I was referring to a few pages back, when I said I didn't think Vereen would be in a better position if Ridley was injured. I would much rather have Vereen with 5-10 carries and 5-10 catches per game. Instead of 20 carries between the tackles and 2-3 catches.

There's no way he's going to get 5-10 catches per game.

Woodhead topped out at 40 last year, and he is better than Vereen.

Vereen has 40 catches in 6 games played.

There have been several unforeseen circumstances this year which have led to this, and we'll see how he does if/when teams start gameplanning for him (like it appears they did this week).

What? Gronk was healthy in his first 4 (not quite the whole 4th) games back. That was the typical Patriots offense. If Gronk doesn't come back next season, then maybe he will be affected. Do you think normal circumstances are Gronk, Dobson and Thompkins out? I think normal was the past 4 weeks, not this week. Same with week 1, they were only missing Gronk.

Edelman doesn't scare anyone. Amendola doesn't either. Miami felt Vereen was the #1 threat, so I think that actually says more about Vereen than the results. I don't expect the Pats offense to have this many injuries every week.

 

[KCitons]

Lot's of this stuff was covered 6 months ago.

What do people think about Vereen lining up wide? If he were to get a few WR-type targets per game, he could be startable even if he never does better than Faulk/Woodhead in the 3rd down RB role.

This is what I was referring to a few pages back, when I said I didn't think Vereen would be in a better position if Ridley was injured. I would much rather have Vereen with 5-10 carries and 5-10 catches per game. Instead of 20 carries between the tackles and 2-3 catches.

There's no way he's going to get 5-10 catches per game.

Woodhead topped out at 40 last year, and he is better than Vereen.

Vereen has 40 catches in 6 games played.

There have been several unforeseen circumstances this year which have led to this, and we'll see how he does if/when teams start gameplanning for him (like it appears they did this week).

Which circumstances is that?

I was just pointing out that Vereen has had 5-10 catches per week. This is the first week he dropped below that average.

Someone else mentioned the comparison to Woodhead. It appears Vereen matched that total in six games.

 

[rjv]

Up buy 14 but vereen killed me. Had todman on my bench but in hindsight of course should of played him but c'mon, all we're starting vereen. It's BB stubbornness that killed vereen's performance.

In PPR, you played the right guy. If anyone in their right mind had played Todman over Vereen in PPR, they were lucky. FBGs had Vereen as the #1RB in PPR. Since he has been back Vereen has averaged over 20 ppg in PPR. Sorry, but you can't bench that. If anything, you think about Todman over the other RB, unless it was Charles, in which case what Vereen did didn't matter anyway.

Oh I know bugs it still stings

 

[Wrigley]

Thanks for nuthin

 

[humpback]

Lot's of this stuff was covered 6 months ago.

What do people think about Vereen lining up wide? If he were to get a few WR-type targets per game, he could be startable even if he never does better than Faulk/Woodhead in the 3rd down RB role.

This is what I was referring to a few pages back, when I said I didn't think Vereen would be in a better position if Ridley was injured. I would much rather have Vereen with 5-10 carries and 5-10 catches per game. Instead of 20 carries between the tackles and 2-3 catches.

There's no way he's going to get 5-10 catches per game.

Woodhead topped out at 40 last year, and he is better than Vereen.

Vereen has 40 catches in 6 games played.

There have been several unforeseen circumstances this year which have led to this, and we'll see how he does if/when teams start gameplanning for him (like it appears they did this week).

Which circumstances is that?

I was just pointing out that Vereen has had 5-10 catches per week. This is the first week he dropped below that average.

Someone else mentioned the comparison to Woodhead. It appears Vereen matched that total in six games.

Aaron Hernandez murdering someone for starters. Ridley fumbling in 3 consecutive games. Also, just the general competitiveness of the games. Every game since he's returned has either been very close or they've been in catch up mode which has played to his strengths.

In any event, I still don't think he would average 5-10 receptions per game over the course of a full season. We'll see how it plays out over the rest of the year, but Miami may have just given the blue print for how to stop him/them.

 

[Banger]

Lot's of this stuff was covered 6 months ago.

What do people think about Vereen lining up wide? If he were to get a few WR-type targets per game, he could be startable even if he never does better than Faulk/Woodhead in the 3rd down RB role.

This is what I was referring to a few pages back, when I said I didn't think Vereen would be in a better position if Ridley was injured. I would much rather have Vereen with 5-10 carries and 5-10 catches per game. Instead of 20 carries between the tackles and 2-3 catches.

There's no way he's going to get 5-10 catches per game.

Woodhead topped out at 40 last year, and he is better than Vereen.

Vereen has 40 catches in 6 games played.

There have been several unforeseen circumstances this year which have led to this, and we'll see how he does if/when teams start gameplanning for him (like it appears they did this week).

Which circumstances is that?

I was just pointing out that Vereen has had 5-10 catches per week. This is the first week he dropped below that average.

Someone else mentioned the comparison to Woodhead. It appears Vereen matched that total in six games.

Aaron Hernandez murdering someone for starters. Ridley fumbling in 3 consecutive games. Also, just the general competitiveness of the games. Every game since he's returned has either been very close or they've been in catch up mode which has played to his strengths.

In any event, I still don't think he would average 5-10 receptions per game over the course of a full season. We'll see how it plays out over the rest of the year, but Miami may have just given the blue print for how to stop him/them.

Yes, since Vereen came back though Gronk went out so this situation is fluid. I know when I was making predictions about Vereen's impact in the offense it was with Gronk in it. Now that he's out his impact will likely be more ebb and flow...Miami also has good athletic linebackers that can cover better than most defenses.

He had a dud, it happens to the best of them...Andre Johnson, Jimmy Graham, Moreno,

 

[KCitons]

Lastly. Vereen has found himself in BB's doghouse more than once since joining the Pats. Talent or not, BB will leave little doubt that he is in charge.

So, the fantasy owner needs Vereen to dodge competition, injuries and the other teams defense to be successful. Having to dodge the guys own coach, just creates an obstacle that other players don't have to deal with.

Which brings us full circle. To many ifs and whats to concern myself with Vereen. I don't want him on my team. Luckily, he didn't burn me yesterday in my playoff game.

 

[LawFitz]

For those of us that survived this week, let's talk the merits of next week's matchup @Bal...

I'm extremely gun shy of starting SV now in my championship game, but am more than willing to listen to those who are diagnosing this matchup closely. This past weekend was super ugly, but I saw at least one play where if Brady threw it a second earlier, it would've been a likely TD to a streaking Vereen across the middle from about the ten yard line. So there was something to hang a hat on.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

For those of us that survived this week, let's talk the merits of next week's matchup @Bal...

I'm extremely gun shy of starting SV now in my championship game, but am more than willing to listen to those who are diagnosing this matchup closely. This past weekend was super ugly, but I saw at least one play where if Brady threw it a second earlier, it would've been a likely TD to a streaking Vereen across the middle from about the ten yard line. So there was something to hang a hat on.

Any info on Baltimore's LBers and whether they can keep up like Miami's? I was perplexed because Sproles ran wild on Miami, I though that was a good matchup.

If the problem is Gronk's absence though I don't know if matchups matter.

I will add that Baltimore's defense has played pretty well, or at least better, at home this year. Leveon Bell just had a nice game receiving out the backfield against them though. So did Gio and Forte.

Before this week, BAL was No. 30 FFPA vs RBs. Last 5 weeks they have been No. 20.

It will be interesting to see what Bush and/or Bell do vs them tonight. Vereen is perhaps more TE/slot-WR than RB though, so perhaps the RB FFPA is not a great gauge anyway.

 

[habsfan]

Lastly. Vereen has found himself in BB's doghouse more than once since joining the Pats. Talent or not, BB will leave little doubt that he is in charge.

So, the fantasy owner needs Vereen to dodge competition, injuries and the other teams defense to be successful. Having to dodge the guys own coach, just creates an obstacle that other players don't have to deal with.

Which brings us full circle. To many ifs and whats to concern myself with Vereen. I don't want him on my team. Luckily, he didn't burn me yesterday in my playoff game.

Did something happen that suggest he is in BB's "doghouse" again? I got the impression he was a victim of defensive gameplanning(?)

 

[KCitons]

Lastly. Vereen has found himself in BB's doghouse more than once since joining the Pats. Talent or not, BB will leave little doubt that he is in charge.

So, the fantasy owner needs Vereen to dodge competition, injuries and the other teams defense to be successful. Having to dodge the guys own coach, just creates an obstacle that other players don't have to deal with.

Which brings us full circle. To many ifs and whats to concern myself with Vereen. I don't want him on my team. Luckily, he didn't burn me yesterday in my playoff game.

Did something happen that suggest he is in BB's "doghouse" again? I got the impression he was a victim of defensive gameplanning(?)

No, not that we know of.

Defensive game planning is just one thing that could effect Vereen's performance. Other player like Gronk, Thompson, etc are another. Throw in a benching because of fumbling and you're left with a player that will hit a home run one week and put up close to zero the next.

This may be fine during the regular season, but in a fantasy playoff, it's too risky.

 

[ebsteelers]

many vereen owners today are saying..

thanks for the memories.. even if they were so great

 

[Andrew74]

For those of us that survived this week, let's talk the merits of next week's matchup @Bal...

I'm extremely gun shy of starting SV now in my championship game, but am more than willing to listen to those who are diagnosing this matchup closely. This past weekend was super ugly, but I saw at least one play where if Brady threw it a second earlier, it would've been a likely TD to a streaking Vereen across the middle from about the ten yard line. So there was something to hang a hat on.

I am in the same boat; I was thinking he'd be auto start as my RB2. But now with Mathews running well and Morris with a QB to help and a juicy matchup, I don't know what to do.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Shane Vereen led the Patriots running backs in snaps Sunday by playing on 48-of-81.

Vereen managed just five touches in the loss at Miami, but his usage remained the same. It was just a case of the defense selling out to stop the dynamic passing back. With Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola stepping up big against the Dolphins, Vereen figures to have far more soft looks when the Patriots play at Baltimore in Week 16. He remains a borderline RB1 with monstrous PPR upside.


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