Shane Vereen (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

Yes, and this is pretty much the point when a bunch of people are calling the guy a borderline RB1 / RB2. He's one of the most over-rated players in FF right now.

How is he overrated when he is being traded for 2nd rounders and occasionally late 1st rounders, and nobody is saying he IS a RB1, they are saying he has RB1 potential

I've seen this guy go in the second round of startups. He's incredibly overrated by some people, not necessarily everyone or the majority. Seems to me his receiving numbers will go way down when the Pats sort out their wr and te problems. When Sproles, for example, was in his prime he was a real threat running the ball as well. I don't see it with Vereen personally. Just looks like a guy right now. Plus, what happens if Blount/Ridley get replaced by someone who can also catch the ball?

There are just so many red flags with him.

Well yeah, some people have him severely overrated. BUt he sure isn't the only player you can say that about. Think Lamar Miller last year. But I don't think nearly as many people rank Vereen anywhere near that high as people did with Miller.

If you can find someone who loves Vereen, and they ARE out there, then make a move for sure.

 

[False Start]

I am intrigued by a trade in the Dynasty trade thread and got me wanting to discuss more on where we are at with what people think of this guy. I made my case for him in that thread so I wanted to bump this one.

This is my response when someone said that "Vereens performance got him eliminated from the playoffs." Just to start a little discussion. I'm all over him where I can get him.

Vereen helped me get to the playoffs with his 15, 17, 18 and 34 weeks 11-14.

Stats taken from WSL 1 from 2013


Week 1 - 22.90
Missed weeks 2-9
Week 10 - BYE
Week 11 - 15.20
Week 12 - 17.10
Week 13 - 18.50
Week 14 - 34.20
Week 15 - 5.10
Week 16 - 8.00
Week 17 - 13.50

While some want to knock Patriots RBs because of the Footballguys.com stigma or because he had two down games out of 8, fine that is up to you. But Vereens production is elite contrary to popular belief, do to his consistency and high scoring output. Just normal logic? I do not understand where a lot of this discussion comes from. Because he had stinkers in playoff weeks thats all you remember? Many weeks in a season, and he performed in 75% of the games he was active. He had a broken wrist, not a torn ACL. Sorry I guess I'm in the minority but he is an elite performer and I think I made my case. In this WSL his ppg put him at 10th in the league over the season. Imagine if he didn't have a broken wrist, we wouldn't even be having this outlandish discussion.

Vereen is clearly better than Bolden and that is his competition and Bolden has not seen the field in that role since Vereen got back. Blount and Ridley have no impact on Vereens playing time, game flow does and as we have seen it benefits Vereen more than it does not.

Compare Vereen to Bernard over the time Vereen returned look at Bernards hype to Vereens and tell me what's wrong. Vereen is only 24 about to be 25. Vereen is the biggest buy low of the season and that I have seen in some time. Jump on it where you can. From popular opinion, people seem to think Vereen is not a producer but some facts say otherwise.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I am intrigued by a trade in the Dynasty trade thread and got me wanting to discuss more on where we are at with what people think of this guy. I made my case for him in that thread so I wanted to bump this one.

This is my response when someone said that "Vereens performance got him eliminated from the playoffs." Just to start a little discussion. I'm all over him where I can get him.

Vereen helped me get to the playoffs with his 15, 17, 18 and 34 weeks 11-14.

Stats taken from WSL 1 from 2013


Week 1 - 22.90
Missed weeks 2-9
Week 10 - BYE
Week 11 - 15.20
Week 12 - 17.10
Week 13 - 18.50
Week 14 - 34.20
Week 15 - 5.10
Week 16 - 8.00
Week 17 - 13.50

While some want to knock Patriots RBs because of the Footballguys.com stigma or because he had two down games out of 8, fine that is up to you. But Vereens production is elite contrary to popular belief, do to his consistency and high scoring output. Just normal logic? I do not understand where a lot of this discussion comes from. Because he had stinkers in playoff weeks thats all you remember? Many weeks in a season, and he performed in 75% of the games he was active. He had a broken wrist, not a torn ACL. Sorry I guess I'm in the minority but he is an elite performer and I think I made my case. In this WSL his ppg put him at 10th in the league over the season. Imagine if he didn't have a broken wrist, we wouldn't even be having this outlandish discussion.

Vereen is clearly better than Bolden and that is his competition and Bolden has not seen the field in that role since Vereen got back. Blount and Ridley have no impact on Vereens playing time, game flow does and as we have seen it benefits Vereen more than it does not.

Compare Vereen to Bernard over the time Vereen returned look at Bernards hype to Vereens and tell me what's wrong. Vereen is only 24 about to be 25. Vereen is the biggest buy low of the season and that I have seen in some time. Jump on it where you can. From popular opinion, people seem to think Vereen is not a producer but some facts say otherwise.

Hey I agree. That last game week 16 he got the TD before leaving, he was probably on his way to a good to excellent day. I held him, used him in flex, and loved the results. I think he established himself as a cornerstone of the new Pats offense and we get to see what he can do with another full offseason and hopefully a healthy season.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

You say facts, but I'll wait until a judge says that Vereen had those stats. That stuff is just reported by the media, you can't trust it 100%.

 

[Andrew74]

I owned Vereen since his rookie year but traded him away for a future 1st after this season after his spurt of performance. I've been a supporter but I'd had enough and cashed out when I could. Maybe he's going to turn it around and be a consistent stud and I'll regret it. But at this point he'll have to be a monster receiver each year to be relevant. He's never played more than 13 games in a year and only one season has he played more than 8 games. He's never had more than 62 carries in a season. And then you have the unknown of use in NE. I just felt it was time to move on and play the odds, IMO, that he won't be a consistent top 15-20 RB.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate, IMO Vereen is in the conversation for most over-valued player in all of FF. They have him going off the board as a RB1 and a top 30 overall dynasty player, which IMO is valuing him at his upside and completely disregarding a few big risk factors moving forward.

1.) Vereen's usage this year feels like a perfect storm / last man standing situation to me. 8.6 targets / game is a huge number for a RB, and that's what it took for Vereen to finish right about where he's currently being drafted. That 8.6 led NFL RBs by a ton -- even great receiving specialist RBs like Sproles and Woodhead were down in the 5.5 range. If Vereen's targets slip, even just down to the "typical elite receiving RB" range, he's going to underperform. IMO there's also a pretty good chance the Pats add receiving weapons this offseason. I'll be stunned if Vereen sees the 140ish targets he was on pace for in 2014.

2.) 2014 is the last year Vereen is under contract in NE, and they don't typically pay much to keep role-player type skill guys around. Who knows whether Vereen stays or what his role might look like if he's with a new team in 2015.

3.) I'm not a big fan of labeling players "injury prone," but Vereen has missed a ton of time in his career -- he's played in 26 games and missed 22. That percentage is a ton more than even Darren McFadden who has managed to play in 67 games while missing 29.

Bottom line for me is that I generally hate when a player is valued at this close to his upside. If literally everything goes right for Vereen, yeah, he might stay healthy and catch 90+ passes / year -- but even then, you're just breaking even on him. If he slips at all, or gets hurt again, you're way behind if you tied up top 30 overall resources in him. Vereen = sell.

 

[False Start]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate, IMO Vereen is in the conversation for most over-valued player in all of FF. They have him going off the board as a RB1 and a top 30 overall dynasty player, which IMO is valuing him at his upside and completely disregarding a few big risk factors moving forward.

1.) Vereen's usage this year feels like a perfect storm / last man standing situation to me. 8.6 targets / game is a huge number for a RB, and that's what it took for Vereen to finish right about where he's currently being drafted. That 8.6 led NFL RBs by a ton -- even great receiving specialist RBs like Sproles and Woodhead were down in the 5.5 range. If Vereen's targets slip, even just down to the "typical elite receiving RB" range, he's going to underperform. IMO there's also a pretty good chance the Pats add receiving weapons this offseason. I'll be stunned if Vereen sees the 140ish targets he was on pace for in 2014.

2.) 2014 is the last year Vereen is under contract in NE, and they don't typically pay much to keep role-player type skill guys around. Who knows whether Vereen stays or what his role might look like if he's with a new team in 2015.

3.) I'm not a big fan of labeling players "injury prone," but Vereen has missed a ton of time in his career -- he's played in 26 games and missed 22. That percentage is a ton more than even Darren McFadden who has managed to play in 67 games while missing 29.

Bottom line for me is that I generally hate when a player is valued at this close to his upside. If literally everything goes right for Vereen, yeah, he might stay healthy and catch 90+ passes / year -- but even then, you're just breaking even on him. If he slips at all, or gets hurt again, you're way behind if you tied up top 30 overall resources in him. Vereen = sell.

I do not agree with one thing you said. Vereen is a stud and the only knock against him are what ifs. What if he gets hurt, what if BB does what he does with his RBs (Doesn't matter Vereen was a consistent this year). What if he stays healthy and BB don't do what he does. You are looking at an easy Top 10 back. He is a better version of Woodhead and he scored a bunch this year. Vereen plays all 16 games he will light it up. Missing games your first three seasons with so many mroe to go is not enough reason for me to sell on his elite production because of what ifs.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate, IMO Vereen is in the conversation for most over-valued player in all of FF. They have him going off the board as a RB1 and a top 30 overall dynasty player, which IMO is valuing him at his upside and completely disregarding a few big risk factors moving forward.

1.) Vereen's usage this year feels like a perfect storm / last man standing situation to me. 8.6 targets / game is a huge number for a RB, and that's what it took for Vereen to finish right about where he's currently being drafted. That 8.6 led NFL RBs by a ton -- even great receiving specialist RBs like Sproles and Woodhead were down in the 5.5 range. If Vereen's targets slip, even just down to the "typical elite receiving RB" range, he's going to underperform. IMO there's also a pretty good chance the Pats add receiving weapons this offseason. I'll be stunned if Vereen sees the 140ish targets he was on pace for in 2014.

2.) 2014 is the last year Vereen is under contract in NE, and they don't typically pay much to keep role-player type skill guys around. Who knows whether Vereen stays or what his role might look like if he's with a new team in 2015.

3.) I'm not a big fan of labeling players "injury prone," but Vereen has missed a ton of time in his career -- he's played in 26 games and missed 22. That percentage is a ton more than even Darren McFadden who has managed to play in 67 games while missing 29.

Bottom line for me is that I generally hate when a player is valued at this close to his upside. If literally everything goes right for Vereen, yeah, he might stay healthy and catch 90+ passes / year -- but even then, you're just breaking even on him. If he slips at all, or gets hurt again, you're way behind if you tied up top 30 overall resources in him. Vereen = sell.

Please stop stealing words from my brain.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate, IMO Vereen is in the conversation for most over-valued player in all of FF. They have him going off the board as a RB1 and a top 30 overall dynasty player, which IMO is valuing him at his upside and completely disregarding a few big risk factors moving forward.

1.) Vereen's usage this year feels like a perfect storm / last man standing situation to me. 8.6 targets / game is a huge number for a RB, and that's what it took for Vereen to finish right about where he's currently being drafted. That 8.6 led NFL RBs by a ton -- even great receiving specialist RBs like Sproles and Woodhead were down in the 5.5 range. If Vereen's targets slip, even just down to the "typical elite receiving RB" range, he's going to underperform. IMO there's also a pretty good chance the Pats add receiving weapons this offseason. I'll be stunned if Vereen sees the 140ish targets he was on pace for in 2014.

2.) 2014 is the last year Vereen is under contract in NE, and they don't typically pay much to keep role-player type skill guys around. Who knows whether Vereen stays or what his role might look like if he's with a new team in 2015.

3.) I'm not a big fan of labeling players "injury prone," but Vereen has missed a ton of time in his career -- he's played in 26 games and missed 22. That percentage is a ton more than even Darren McFadden who has managed to play in 67 games while missing 29.

Bottom line for me is that I generally hate when a player is valued at this close to his upside. If literally everything goes right for Vereen, yeah, he might stay healthy and catch 90+ passes / year -- but even then, you're just breaking even on him. If he slips at all, or gets hurt again, you're way behind if you tied up top 30 overall resources in him. Vereen = sell.

Please stop stealing words from my brain.

LOL -- I agree with about 95% of what you post too.

 

[Bamac]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate ...

It isn't: not regarding Vereen, at least. I predict he drops a full round from January to February.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate ...

It isn't: not regarding Vereen, at least. I predict he drops a full round from January to February.

At mid-4th startup / strong RB2 levels he's still a sell IMO. I'll start getting interested if I can get him at strong RB3 / flex prices. There are plenty of people that just seem to LOVE the guy, though, so his chances of landing on any of my rosters are slim at best, and I'm OK with that.

 

[FF_WMD]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate, IMO Vereen is in the conversation for most over-valued player in all of FF. They have him going off the board as a RB1 and a top 30 overall dynasty player, which IMO is valuing him at his upside and completely disregarding a few big risk factors moving forward.

1.) Vereen's usage this year feels like a perfect storm / last man standing situation to me. 8.6 targets / game is a huge number for a RB, and that's what it took for Vereen to finish right about where he's currently being drafted. That 8.6 led NFL RBs by a ton -- even great receiving specialist RBs like Sproles and Woodhead were down in the 5.5 range. If Vereen's targets slip, even just down to the "typical elite receiving RB" range, he's going to underperform. IMO there's also a pretty good chance the Pats add receiving weapons this offseason. I'll be stunned if Vereen sees the 140ish targets he was on pace for in 2014.

2.) 2014 is the last year Vereen is under contract in NE, and they don't typically pay much to keep role-player type skill guys around. Who knows whether Vereen stays or what his role might look like if he's with a new team in 2015.

3.) I'm not a big fan of labeling players "injury prone," but Vereen has missed a ton of time in his career -- he's played in 26 games and missed 22. That percentage is a ton more than even Darren McFadden who has managed to play in 67 games while missing 29.

Bottom line for me is that I generally hate when a player is valued at this close to his upside. If literally everything goes right for Vereen, yeah, he might stay healthy and catch 90+ passes / year -- but even then, you're just breaking even on him. If he slips at all, or gets hurt again, you're way behind if you tied up top 30 overall resources in him. Vereen = sell.

Have to agree, lots of talent, but he hasn't been able to stay on the field from day one; maybe that will change, but I doubt it.

 

[squistion]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate ...

It isn't: not regarding Vereen, at least. I predict he drops a full round from January to February.

At mid-4th startup / strong RB2 levels he's still a sell IMO. I'll start getting interested if I can get him at strong RB3 / flex prices. There are plenty of people that just seem to LOVE the guy, though, so his chances of landing on any of my rosters are slim at best, and I'm OK with that.

I have only seen a couple of startups posted and he went at 5.04 and 5.08 (RB17 and RB21 respectively) which I am skeptical actually reflect his actual value. I think after the NFL draft and free agency shakes out his price should fall into the strong #3 RB/flex area and I would definitely be a buyer at that level.

 

[nightmare]

Week to week B Belichick plays match ups. I'm not going to guess on a oft injured RBBC RB

to get me to the playoffs and then guess how B Belichick is going to use S Vereen in those games.

This is a decision your making before the season starts.

IF S Vereen is getting drafted that high-it's not "I'm taking a flier here" in the teen rounds of your draft.

I think S Vereen is a step above the fliers but not yet in the RB2 solid start category. 3 years in the league

and NONE of them a full season. That isn't repeated enough. He doesn't have McFadden talent but

lets draft? praise? and rate? him before the guy who played more games in his first 3 years then Vereen.

Let's just say S Vereen goes the whole season healthy-you still have the Belichick RBBC match up thing.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Week to week B Belichick plays match ups. I'm not going to guess on a oft injured RBBC RB

to get me to the playoffs and then guess how B Belichick is going to use S Vereen in those games.

This is a decision your making before the season starts.

IF S Vereen is getting drafted that high-it's not "I'm taking a flier here" in the teen rounds of your draft.

I think S Vereen is a step above the fliers but not yet in the RB2 solid start category. 3 years in the league

and NONE of them a full season. That isn't repeated enough. He doesn't have McFadden talent but

lets draft? praise? and rate? him before the guy who played more games in his first 3 years then Vereen.

Let's just say S Vereen goes the whole season healthy-you still have the Belichick RBBC match up thing.

 

[False Start]

Week to week B Belichick plays match ups. I'm not going to guess on a oft injured RBBC RB

to get me to the playoffs and then guess how B Belichick is going to use S Vereen in those games.

This is a decision your making before the season starts.

IF S Vereen is getting drafted that high-it's not "I'm taking a flier here" in the teen rounds of your draft.

I think S Vereen is a step above the fliers but not yet in the RB2 solid start category. 3 years in the league

and NONE of them a full season. That isn't repeated enough. He doesn't have McFadden talent but

lets draft? praise? and rate? him before the guy who played more games in his first 3 years then Vereen.

Let's just say S Vereen goes the whole season healthy-you still have the Belichick RBBC match up thing.

His production when on the field says otherwise. He a RB1 when he plays and that production is well worth the injury risk. Broken wrist, rookie season is a curve anyways. Some flukey things. He is about to go off like he has been the second half of the season and I'm confused as to all the hate he is garnering. Every team has a RBBC just about and players like Woodhead, Sproles, Bell and Bernard (Who might get more carries but who knows) perform. Vereen is part of that club his sats are electric. Seems that I am the only one making a case but I'm a believer. Ridley will get his spot back and Vereen will do his thing.

 

[nightmare]

False Start my reply to your comments is after the >>

His production when on the field says otherwise.->> 8 games in 3 seasons.

He a RB1 when he plays and that production is well worth the injury risk. >>RB1 production with fluke

reception totals in 8 games.

Broken wrist, rookie season is a curve anyways. Some flukey things. He is about to go off like he has been the second half of the season and I'm confused as to all the hate he is garnering. >>Not hate, people like the guy just not at a RB2 price.

Every team has a RBBC just about and players like Woodhead, Sproles, Bell and Bernard (Who might get more carries but who knows) perform. Vereen is part of that club his sats are electric. >>All of those guys get carrys to go with receptions not receptions to go with their carrys-2012-13 Sproles is the other exception.

Seems that I am the only one making a case but I'm a believer. Ridley will get his spot back and Vereen will do his thing.

>>I and a lot of other posters like him too-just not at that price.

>>Once again, I'm not going to rely on B Belichick's game plan hoping Vereen gets 6+ catchs EVERY game.

 

[Andrew74]

Week to week B Belichick plays match ups. I'm not going to guess on a oft injured RBBC RB

to get me to the playoffs and then guess how B Belichick is going to use S Vereen in those games.

This is a decision your making before the season starts.

IF S Vereen is getting drafted that high-it's not "I'm taking a flier here" in the teen rounds of your draft.

I think S Vereen is a step above the fliers but not yet in the RB2 solid start category. 3 years in the league

and NONE of them a full season. That isn't repeated enough. He doesn't have McFadden talent but

lets draft? praise? and rate? him before the guy who played more games in his first 3 years then Vereen.

Let's just say S Vereen goes the whole season healthy-you still have the Belichick RBBC match up thing.

His production when on the field says otherwise. He a RB1 when he plays and that production is well worth the injury risk.

If you believe this year is the norm going forward. In his first two years, this was not the case. In my 0.5 PPR league, he only had 3 games scoring more than 10 points. That's not RB1 material.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

You're also banking on him scoring a TD every ~20 touches to continue his 2013 form.

So... historically freakish Rec/Game, unsustainable TD rate, chance the Pats bring in some actual WRs to catch passes, the traditional BB game-planning woes, and 5--13--8 games played in his first three seasons.

Really hard to get from there to anything remotely resembling a RB1 IMO.

 

[Bamac]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate ...

It isn't: not regarding Vereen, at least. I predict he drops a full round from January to February.

At mid-4th startup / strong RB2 levels he's still a sell IMO. I'll start getting interested if I can get him at strong RB3 / flex prices. There are plenty of people that just seem to LOVE the guy, though, so his chances of landing on any of my rosters are slim at best, and I'm OK with that.

Well, he dropped to 4.04. I agree that he's still a sell at that price, though I like him as a low-end RB2.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate ...

It isn't: not regarding Vereen, at least. I predict he drops a full round from January to February.

At mid-4th startup / strong RB2 levels he's still a sell IMO. I'll start getting interested if I can get him at strong RB3 / flex prices. There are plenty of people that just seem to LOVE the guy, though, so his chances of landing on any of my rosters are slim at best, and I'm OK with that.

Well, he dropped to 4.04. I agree that he's still a sell at that price, though I like him as a low-end RB2.

Yeah, I don't hate him at all as a low end RB2 -- I can see about 1000 YFS, 60-70 catches, 6-8 scores as a not unreasonable 16 game projection. I'm still not going to go out of my way to acquire him at that price, though, given the uncertainty with his role, impending FA, and injury history. It's a moot point, though, as there's bound to be a few owners in every league higher on Vereen than that. And probably at least one guy who sees "stud" in most.

 

[False Start]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate ...

It isn't: not regarding Vereen, at least. I predict he drops a full round from January to February.

At mid-4th startup / strong RB2 levels he's still a sell IMO. I'll start getting interested if I can get him at strong RB3 / flex prices. There are plenty of people that just seem to LOVE the guy, though, so his chances of landing on any of my rosters are slim at best, and I'm OK with that.

Well, he dropped to 4.04. I agree that he's still a sell at that price, though I like him as a low-end RB2.

Yeah, I don't hate him at all as a low end RB2 -- I can see about 1000 YFS, 60-70 catches, 6-8 scores as a not unreasonable 16 game projection. I'm still not going to go out of my way to acquire him at that price, though, given the uncertainty with his role, impending FA, and injury history. It's a moot point, though, as there's bound to be a few owners in every league higher on Vereen than that. And probably at least one guy who sees "stud" in most.

That would be good enough to put him at 196 points giving him 1000 yards, 60 catches (he had 47 in 8 games) and 6 scores. Thats good enough for RB16 in my league. That is not just RB2, that is solid production. Say you give him 10 more catches and just 1 more score, thats enough to leap him into RB11 with 212 points. That is well worth the value he is at right now.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

That would be good enough to put him at 196 points

12.x ppg was RB23-RB25 last year in PPR leagues.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

If DLF's early ADP info is accurate ...

It isn't: not regarding Vereen, at least. I predict he drops a full round from January to February.

At mid-4th startup / strong RB2 levels he's still a sell IMO. I'll start getting interested if I can get him at strong RB3 / flex prices. There are plenty of people that just seem to LOVE the guy, though, so his chances of landing on any of my rosters are slim at best, and I'm OK with that.

Well, he dropped to 4.04. I agree that he's still a sell at that price, though I like him as a low-end RB2.

Yeah, I don't hate him at all as a low end RB2 -- I can see about 1000 YFS, 60-70 catches, 6-8 scores as a not unreasonable 16 game projection. I'm still not going to go out of my way to acquire him at that price, though, given the uncertainty with his role, impending FA, and injury history. It's a moot point, though, as there's bound to be a few owners in every league higher on Vereen than that. And probably at least one guy who sees "stud" in most.

That would be good enough to put him at 196 points giving him 1000 yards, 60 catches (he had 47 in 8 games) and 6 scores. Thats good enough for RB16 in my league. That is not just RB2, that is solid production. Say you give him 10 more catches and just 1 more score, thats enough to leap him into RB11 with 212 points. That is well worth the value he is at right now.

You can't just plug a 16 game projection into last year's season ending numbers (which include a bunch of missed games) to get a hypothetical ranking for any player, much less one like Vereen who has missed well > 40% of his starts thus far. Using PPG is a much more valid way to look at things -- 1000 / 8 / 70 puts Vereen at 13.625 PPG or RB19. 1000 / 6 / 60 puts him at 12.25 or RB28. Either way he's not worth anywhere close to the RB14 pricetag he's currently carrying, to say nothing of the "easy top 10 RB" status you're giving him. The numbers just don't bear it out.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Count me in on the Vareen is very overrated group. Too many good things happened last season and his production was tied to that.

 

[Faust]

Shane Vereen still managing wrist injury

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

I moved him for a late 1st and mid 2nd. He's too situationally dependent for my tastes and his impending free agent status could potentially kill his value. My friends thought I was nuts for doing it, so there's that.

 

[starks]

Bought him for my 1.11 pick because I crapped the bed with my T-rich start up pick. I also got Christine Michael in the trade so pretty pumped about that and own the 1.2 and 1.5 so I could afford to deal one.

I think most people would be happy with low end RB2 numbers with a strong flex floor. So long as Pats dont go RB early next weekend we can rest easy. If he plays 14 games he will lead the league at RB in rec. My guess for this year...500 rushing 3 and 85rec/800 and 2

 

[duaneok66]

Why wouldn't they go RB? They need more depth behind Vereen and Ridley.

 

[Mingooch]

Plus Vereen and Ridley's contracts are up after this season.

 

[Bayhawks]

With the Patriots taking only 1 RB, what does that say about their current RBs?

They took James White in the 4th round. He seems to be more similar to Vereen than Ridley. How do we read this situation?

To me, it means one of 3 things:

1-They are happy with Ridley/Vereen, White was a depth pick.

2-White was picked to back-up/replace Vereen (at some point); Ridley will still be the main RB

3-They are going away from the "power back" (let Blount go in the off-season), and want a more versatile type RB (Vereen/White)

I think it is probably #1, but I would love to read more takes on this situation.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Shane Vereen - RB - Patriots

ESPN Patriots reporter Mike Reiss expects Shane Vereen to handle a majority of New England's running back snaps this season.

It is telling that Vereen played almost as many snaps as Stevan Ridley last season despite missing eight games due to injury. With LaGarrette Blount in Pittsburgh, the opportunity exists for Vereen to play upwards of 50% of the Patriots' offensive snaps. Assuming his troublesome wrist is healthy, that kind of playing time would make Vereen a high-upside RB2 even in standard formats.

Related: Stevan Ridley

Source: ESPN Boston

May 24 - 10:26 AM

 

[cstu]

I love Vereen in PPR when healthy...unfortunately he's played 26 games in 3 years and has a total of 121 career carries.

If he can stay healthy he has a chance to put up RB1 numbers like Sproles did.

Tough guy to value since another injury and he's probably out of NE next year and his value takes a DMC-like tumble. On the other hand he could stay healthy and win you a championship.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Agreed, seems that way for any NE RB fantasy wise- ala NO Saints. How does Mike Reiss know that? He doesn't , lol. But Ridley is a fumble away from irrelevance, Blount gone.... Part of the problem is NE seems to game plan pretty radically at times (and with in a game)- that guessing when

they'll run heavy etc is tough at best.

 

[Casting Couch]

I love Vereen in PPR when healthy...unfortunately he's played 26 games in 3 years and has a total of 121 career carries.

If he can stay healthy he has a chance to put up RB1 numbers like Sproles did.

Tough guy to value since another injury and he's probably out of NE next year and his value takes a DMC-like tumble. On the other hand he could stay healthy and win you a championship.

Agreed. Vereen represents huge value in both re-draft and dynasty leagues.

 

[EBF]

Huge value in dynasty as RB16? There are probably at least 10 guys ranked behind him on DLF that I like better. Tre Mason at RB31 is a better, younger version of the same type of back. I think Vereen's best chances for enduring relevance are re-signing in NE and being the perennial "lightning" half of a committee. That isn't an exciting proposition to me as a top 20 dynasty RB. I don't see anyone rushing out to sign him as their every down guy, though I guess you never know.

 

[bostonfred]

Huge value in dynasty as RB16? There are probably at least 10 guys ranked behind him on DLF that I like better. Tre Mason at RB31 is a better, younger version of the same type of back. I think Vereen's best chances for enduring relevance are re-signing in NE and being the perennial "lightning" half of a committee. That isn't an exciting proposition to me as a top 20 dynasty RB. I don't see anyone rushing out to sign him as their every down guy, though I guess you never know.

Hes an injury prone sproles who, if he started to get carries, could become a ray rice. Its ok to take situation over talent once in a while, you know.

 

[squistion]

Huge value in dynasty as RB16? There are probably at least 10 guys ranked behind him on DLF that I like better. Tre Mason at RB31 is a better, younger version of the same type of back. I think Vereen's best chances for enduring relevance are re-signing in NE and being the perennial "lightning" half of a committee. That isn't an exciting proposition to me as a top 20 dynasty RB. I don't see anyone rushing out to sign him as their every down guy, though I guess you never know.

Great double play for you. Not only did you get to trash Vereen again, but you also got to pimp Mason at the same time. Too bad you couldn't work in a way to diss either Lacy, Stacy, or Bell or you would have had the trifecta.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

what are people thinking about Vereen this season?

 

[Casting Couch]

If Vereen can stay healthy, and if he can see 10-15 touches per game, he could be a nice RB2, imo.

 

[Phenomena]

Steal in the 4th or later in PPR... will lead NE in RB snaps (not carries) and push for 70 receptions. Averaged RB6 in PPG last year in PPR when he did play. Yes, he was 6th in PPG in PPR. He's going to be on nearly every team of mine this year at his current ADP.

 

[SCT]

He was top 10 in receptions despite missing a lot of games.

 

[maf005]

Remember though that NE was starting multiple rookie WRs and was desperate for playmakers when Vereen was catching 8 balls per game. If NE's offense is more balanced and healthier this year we should adjust Vereen's #s down a bit

 

[Phenomena]

Remember though that NE was starting multiple rookie WRs and was desperate for playmakers when Vereen was catching 8 balls per game. If NE's offense is more balanced and healthier this year we should adjust Vereen's #s down a bit

I disagree. Vereen's two biggest games (10 receptions in week 12 and 13) were when Gronk was still playing (whom also had big games those two games). Also remember that prior to their injuries Vereen was splitting out wide after lining up in the backfield in order to get a LB matched up on him. Then he'd run a flare route to the endzone. The Pats ran that play in the preseason and throughout the year. The WR's or Gronk aren't a thread to him. They give him looks because he's a mismatch, and today's NFL is all about mismatches. The only downside to Vereen this year is his injury history. In the 4th or mid 3rd I'm gambling on him all day given his upside.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Remember though that NE was starting multiple rookie WRs and was desperate for playmakers when Vereen was catching 8 balls per game. If NE's offense is more balanced and healthier this year we should adjust Vereen's #s down a bit

I disagree. Vereen's two biggest games (10 receptions in week 12 and 13) were when Gronk was still playing (whom also had big games those two games). Also remember that prior to their injuries Vereen was splitting out wide after lining up in the backfield in order to get a LB matched up on him. Then he'd run a flare route to the endzone. The Pats ran that play in the preseason and throughout the year. The WR's or Gronk aren't a thread to him. They give him looks because he's a mismatch, and today's NFL is all about mismatches. The only downside to Vereen this year is his injury history. In the 4th or mid 3rd I'm gambling on him all day given his upside.

this is pretty much all true -- I really don't see outside receivers siphoning from him, and if all these guys are on the field together it basically just acts as a rising tide.

when gronk, et all aren't playing, and edelman is all that's left, the offense tends to stall, meaning fewer td opps, even if his receptions hold steady.

 

[maf005]

Remember though that NE was starting multiple rookie WRs and was desperate for playmakers when Vereen was catching 8 balls per game. If NE's offense is more balanced and healthier this year we should adjust Vereen's #s down a bit

I disagree. Vereen's two biggest games (10 receptions in week 12 and 13) were when Gronk was still playing (whom also had big games those two games). Also remember that prior to their injuries Vereen was splitting out wide after lining up in the backfield in order to get a LB matched up on him. Then he'd run a flare route to the endzone. The Pats ran that play in the preseason and throughout the year. The WR's or Gronk aren't a thread to him. They give him looks because he's a mismatch, and today's NFL is all about mismatches. The only downside to Vereen this year is his injury history. In the 4th or mid 3rd I'm gambling on him all day given his upside.

You misread rushes for receptions.

Only 1 of his highest 4 reception games were the Pats even close to playing with their full WR crew. And even then Thompkins and Dobson were terrible and Amendola was playing injured. Remember too that this stretch is when Ridley's role was severely reduced because of fumbles, and the Pats rushing game suffered greatly as a result.

Maybe you guys are right, but imo he's riskier than this thread is portraying

 

[Run It Up]

Meh, what moderate risk is involved is comparable to any other RB around his ADP, Vereen's ceiling pretty much nullifies any concern I have for him.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

just to use ffcalc for conversation, spiller is drafted pretty much right in the same spot ---- why wouldn't I take him over spiller?

 

[maf005]

just to use ffcalc for conversation, spiller is drafted pretty much right in the same spot ---- why wouldn't I take him over spiller?

Vereen has more injury risk and lower upside compared to Spiller right?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

just to use ffcalc for conversation, spiller is drafted pretty much right in the same spot ---- why wouldn't I take him over spiller?

Vereen has more injury risk and lower upside compared to Spiller right?

I don't think I'd agree w/that

vereen posted similar numbers to vincent jackson, while being playable at rb (obviously) --- who do I prefer there at a similar spot?