Bracie Smathers said:Here is the up-to-date board.
1 Kansas City - Andy D - Luke Joeckel, OT - Texas A&M
2 Jacksonville – jshare87 - Dion Jordan, DE/OLB - Oregon
3 Oakland - krsone21 - Sharrif Floyd, DT - Florida
4 Philadelphia - Andy D - Geno Smith, QB - WVU
5 Detroit - 8ebok24 - Eric Fisher, OT - Central Mich.
6 Cleveland - Bracie Smathers - Dee Milliner, CB - Alabama
7 Arizona - ebaughn - Lane Johnson, OT - Oklahoma
8 Buffalo - Donsmith753 - Ryan Nassib, QB - Syracuse
9 NY Jets - Hell Toupee - Ziggy Ansah, DE - BYU
10 Tennessee - FUBAR - Xavier Rhodes, CB - FSU
11 San Diego – Ray Finkle - Chance Warmack, OG, Bama
12 Miami - Slapdash/JackReacher - CB Desmond Trufant. Washington
13 Tampa Bay – RJS113 - FS Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
14 Carolina - jurb26 - DT Star Lotulelei, Utah
15 New Orleans - IHEARTFF - OLB/DE Jarvis Jones, Georgia
16 St. Louis - Brady Marino - WR Tavon Austin, West Virginia
17 Pittsburgh - Evilgrin 72 - OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU
18 Dallas - FunkyTeaParty - DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
19 NY Giants - amicsta - DE Bjoern Werner, FSU
20 Chicago - William Munny - OG Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina
21 Cincinnati - cheese -
22 St. Louis (from Washington) - Brady Marino
23 Minnesota - 8ebok24
24 Indianapolis - Bamac
25 Minnesota - 8ebok24
26 Green Bay - pipes/meyerj31
27 Houston - meecrob
28 Denver - rascal
29 New England – Tackling Dummies
30 Atlanta - Andy D
31 San Francisco - 5Rings
32 Baltimore - ExaltedOne
Ya, and they're even more obvious when you consider the schools. They draft heavily from powerhouse programs and even more specifically have pipelined Alabama and Georgia with Geno, Green, Andre, Dre, Pollack, Thurman, Gaethers, etc.Fluker or Ogletree are obvious. I like Ogletree considering that character concerns are low on the list for the Bengals. Fluker will be a steal for someone this late.
Great post, remarkable tendency that entered into my thought process apparently for a reason.Ya, and they're even more obvious when you consider the schools. They draft heavily from powerhouse programs and even more specifically have pipelined Alabama and Georgia with Geno, Green, Andre, Dre, Pollack, Thurman, Gaethers, etc.Fluker or Ogletree are obvious. I like Ogletree considering that character concerns are low on the list for the Bengals. Fluker will be a steal for someone this late.
Good analysis and pickWith Vaccaro off the board, this becomes a choice of two players or a trade. I don't see a trade here unless the Rams are getting a late 1st back and someone just REALLY wants Mingo here. Could happen, but I just don't see the Rams ready to deal quite yet.
The two players are: LB Alec Ogletree and WR Tavon Austin.
LB is a need for the Rams, as the only starter-quality LB they have are Laurenaitis and Dunbar. Ogletree is considered as a gifted player at LB and, from what I read, could probably man an OLB position. But, the rub here is he's a knucklehead and there's a wonder about just how far he'll slip.
As for Austin, he would be an upgraded replacement over Danny Amendola, IMO. He's fast, elusive, and a hardcore competitor. Everything about his character comes back aces. The Rams have the raw Quick, the one-dimensional burner in Givens, and Pettis, who has shown flashes of being decent, but would be a stretch as a slot guy. Ideal #4 guy, IMO. The rub is Austin's size and questions about his durability, but he's never missed a game or a practice in college and he wouldn't be the first small guy to succeed in the NFL, nor the first small WR that Fisher has had success with. (Derrick Mason anyone?)
Therefore, given the need and the slideability of Ogletree...
1.16- St. Louis Rams select...Tavon Austin, Wide Receiver, West Virginia.
I would not at all be surprised to see a trade down here for the RamsNote: If there are no offers by 8:30 AM EST tomorrow, I'll pick.
So in a passing league your team has no safeties and when informed that in our mock said team took the top safety your friend laughed because he thinks we should have taken...a guard?Cooper would be highway robbery at this point. The more I think about it, the more I think he's better for the Jets. But what's done is done.
My uber-Jets fan friend laughed at the Vaccaro pick. He thought Cooper made more sense.
Ha ha! Bear in mind we are talking about a Jets fan and the NFL draft. Regardless of the choice I can hear the boos already.So in a passing league your team has no safeties and when informed that in our mock said team took the top safety your friend laughed because he thinks we should have taken...a guard? Mmmkay.Cooper would be highway robbery at this point. The more I think about it, the more I think he's better for the Jets. But what's done is done. My uber-Jets fan friend laughed at the Vaccaro pick. He thought Cooper made more sense.
My bad, man. I totally missed that you upped for the Giants. Sorry.woulda been nice to have gotten a message when it was my pick...
Wouldn't give a 1st with this year's 2nd, but possibly next year's 2nd and this year's 2.09 for the pick. Is it too far to jump without giving too much?I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with the 22nd overall, but I'm going to leave things open for the rest of the night in case a trade scenario pops up. Rams would likely look to do something like a 2nd + 2014 1st here if someone is just dying to get Barkley or Eifert here.
Intriguing, but in this draft, I think the Rams would want picks this year given the depth. In a weak draft, I think the Rams would have considered that.Wouldn't give a 1st with this year's 2nd, but possibly next year's 2nd and this year's 2.09 for the pick. Is it too far to jump without giving too much?I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with the 22nd overall, but I'm going to leave things open for the rest of the night in case a trade scenario pops up. Rams would likely look to do something like a 2nd + 2014 1st here if someone is just dying to get Barkley or Eifert here.
Titans would want Cooper, but G just isn't worth a 1st and a 2nd.
I didn't say my friend was rational.Ha ha! Bear in mind we are talking about a Jets fan and the NFL draft. Regardless of the choice I can hear the boos already.So in a passing league your team has no safeties and when informed that in our mock said team took the top safety your friend laughed because he thinks we should have taken...a guard? Mmmkay.Cooper would be highway robbery at this point. The more I think about it, the more I think he's better for the Jets. But what's done is done. My uber-Jets fan friend laughed at the Vaccaro pick. He thought Cooper made more sense.
2nd and 3rd come close point-wise. We'd do that.Intriguing, but in this draft, I think the Rams would want picks this year given the depth. In a weak draft, I think the Rams would have considered that.Wouldn't give a 1st with this year's 2nd, but possibly next year's 2nd and this year's 2.09 for the pick. Is it too far to jump without giving too much?I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with the 22nd overall, but I'm going to leave things open for the rest of the night in case a trade scenario pops up. Rams would likely look to do something like a 2nd + 2014 1st here if someone is just dying to get Barkley or Eifert here.
Titans would want Cooper, but G just isn't worth a 1st and a 2nd.
Currently in negotiations with another team where the Rams would get a 1st. That would be the preference I would think.2nd and 3rd come close point-wise. We'd do that.Intriguing, but in this draft, I think the Rams would want picks this year given the depth. In a weak draft, I think the Rams would have considered that.Wouldn't give a 1st with this year's 2nd, but possibly next year's 2nd and this year's 2.09 for the pick. Is it too far to jump without giving too much?I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with the 22nd overall, but I'm going to leave things open for the rest of the night in case a trade scenario pops up. Rams would likely look to do something like a 2nd + 2014 1st here if someone is just dying to get Barkley or Eifert here.
Titans would want Cooper, but G just isn't worth a 1st and a 2nd.
I'd imagine so.Currently in negotiations with another team where the Rams would get a 1st. That would be the preference I would think.2nd and 3rd come close point-wise. We'd do that.Intriguing, but in this draft, I think the Rams would want picks this year given the depth. In a weak draft, I think the Rams would have considered that.Wouldn't give a 1st with this year's 2nd, but possibly next year's 2nd and this year's 2.09 for the pick. Is it too far to jump without giving too much?I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with the 22nd overall, but I'm going to leave things open for the rest of the night in case a trade scenario pops up. Rams would likely look to do something like a 2nd + 2014 1st here if someone is just dying to get Barkley or Eifert here.
Titans would want Cooper, but G just isn't worth a 1st and a 2nd.
My personal preference would have been Cooper too. I just think Dallas would go Richardson, given the choice.It's hard to be upset with Richardson, but have a preference for Cooper.
Thanks. Ironically, if there was a 3rd guy in the mix, it was probably Eddie Lacy... also Alabama.Great post, remarkable tendency that entered into my thought process apparently for a reason.Ya, and they're even more obvious when you consider the schools. They draft heavily from powerhouse programs and even more specifically have pipelined Alabama and Georgia with Geno, Green, Andre, Dre, Pollack, Thurman, Gaethers, etc.Fluker or Ogletree are obvious. I like Ogletree considering that character concerns are low on the list for the Bengals. Fluker will be a steal for someone this late.
And the more I think about it, the Rams would get much better value dealing out of #16, but it'd still be hard to do for them if Austin and/or Vaccaro are still on the board.Brady and I were discussing a trade. The deal would have been a swap of firsts for Atlanta's 3rd and 5th. While that would be the right value, the more I think about it, they're probably looking to move much higher up than that and get a CB. So I'm going to stand pat for now.
If they trade up, it's likely to me that it's for either Milliner or Trufant.
Cyprien would logically be on the radar, but I haven't heard him mentioned in Rams circles at all. In fact, not even sure he was brought in for a predraft visit. According to the STL Post-Dispatch, they haven't brought in a single safety. They have brought in Ogletree, however.Lots of options for the Rams with that pick and Ogletree definitely has to be an option.
I think that pick is Cyprien but this is good too.
Haven't seen anyone saying this.Cyprien would logically be on the radar, but I haven't heard him mentioned in Rams circles at all. In fact, not even sure he was brought in for a predraft visit. According to the STL Post-Dispatch, they haven't brought in a single safety. They have brought in Ogletree, however.Lots of options for the Rams with that pick and Ogletree definitely has to be an option.
I think that pick is Cyprien but this is good too.
Edit: If the Rams do go safety, I see them going Elam before Cyprien, IMO. Cyprien has questionable instincts and I think Elam would be more adept to stepping in right away and starting while Cyprien may be a project.
It is why I did not like the Vaccaro pick in the end and would have rathered the trade down for a team to come up for Tavon Austin who is the hot name, I would have taken the Houston offer which probalby gets me Cyprien, Reid or Elam instead and got a 2nd rounder to grab more things that the Jets need. I just dont see Vaccaro as much better than these 3. Even go another position and use the 2nd round on Swearinger would be nice move also.Cyprien would logically be on the radar, but I haven't heard him mentioned in Rams circles at all. In fact, not even sure he was brought in for a predraft visit. According to the STL Post-Dispatch, they haven't brought in a single safety. They have brought in Ogletree, however.Lots of options for the Rams with that pick and Ogletree definitely has to be an option.
I think that pick is Cyprien but this is good too.
Edit: If the Rams do go safety, I see them going Elam before Cyprien, IMO. Cyprien has questionable instincts and I think Elam would be more adept to stepping in right away and starting while Cyprien may be a project.
I am starting to feel better that there will be a quality player at 18 that will fill a team need.My personal preference would have been Cooper too. I just think Dallas would go Richardson, given the choice.It's hard to be upset with Richardson, but have a preference for Cooper.
From ESPN:Haven't seen anyone saying this.Cyprien would logically be on the radar, but I haven't heard him mentioned in Rams circles at all. In fact, not even sure he was brought in for a predraft visit. According to the STL Post-Dispatch, they haven't brought in a single safety. They have brought in Ogletree, however.Lots of options for the Rams with that pick and Ogletree definitely has to be an option.
I think that pick is Cyprien but this is good too.
Edit: If the Rams do go safety, I see them going Elam before Cyprien, IMO. Cyprien has questionable instincts and I think Elam would be more adept to stepping in right away and starting while Cyprien may be a project.
But either Elam or Cyprien would be a massive upgrade.
I think I see the problem...From ESPN:
Appears to be quarterback of the defense and regularly gets players aligned pre snap but not a naturally instinctive player. Gets caught out of position too much. Flashes ability to jump routes but overaggressive and route recognition is just average. Takes cheese and gets caught jumping up in zone looks. Vulnerable to double moves. Bites on play action. Doesn't get head turned around in time to locate the ball when forced to turn back to the quarterback. Can launch at receivers and needs to develop better feel for when to pull up.
Like I said, I think Elam would be a slight reach, but would be fine there. But that damning scouting report on Cyprien turns me off on him.
STRENGTHS - Cyprien has very good height, length and bulk for the safety position. He demonstrates excellent playing speed in space, and uses his natural agility and explosiveness to effectively close on plays in front and to the boundary. He demonstrates excellent lateral quickness and can transition into chase mode effectively in pass coverage. He is extremely aggressive from off coverage, and does a nice job of consistently breaking in front of routes to gain inside positioning. He plays the ball in the air as if it were intended for him, showing the ability to pluck the ball at its highest point for interceptions. He does an excellent job of breaking down in space to consistently finish tackles in the open field.
WEAKNESSES - While Cyprien displays very good instincts in man coverage and when playing the run, the same cannot be said about his play in zone coverage or against play-action fakes. When asked to play cover three in games I graded he struggled to quickly identify deep routes in his area and was consequently at times a beat late moving toward the ball. When lined up in the box, he tended to freeze up when faced with PA, and too often allowed his man to get behind him. He also needs to stay low in his pedal, as he tends to get high and choppy, which can limit COD.
SUMMARY - Jonathan Cyprien was an exciting player to evaluate, as he has the size, athleticism and physicality to be a force on the back end at the next level. He is an aggressive player in the box that shows the ability to consistently wrap up and finish tackles as well as use his physicality to cover bigger TEs effectively. From off coverage he displays outstanding instincts, as he consistently diagnoses routes quickly and cuts off routes before his receiver can get out of his break. When the ball is in the air he attacks it like a receiver, and shows solid hands on balls outside of his frame. He needs to improve his feel for zone coverage from a deep alignment and do a better job of recovering against play-action passes, but he is a well-rounded player ready to make a big impact in the NFL. He will surely hear his name called and day one, and could be gone within the first 20 picks.
Interesting.I think I see the problem...From ESPN:
Appears to be quarterback of the defense and regularly gets players aligned pre snap but not a naturally instinctive player. Gets caught out of position too much. Flashes ability to jump routes but overaggressive and route recognition is just average. Takes cheese and gets caught jumping up in zone looks. Vulnerable to double moves. Bites on play action. Doesn't get head turned around in time to locate the ball when forced to turn back to the quarterback. Can launch at receivers and needs to develop better feel for when to pull up.
Like I said, I think Elam would be a slight reach, but would be fine there. But that damning scouting report on Cyprien turns me off on him.![]()
Then there's this review:
>STRENGTHS - Cyprien has very good height, length and bulk for the safety position. He demonstrates excellent playing speed in space, and uses his natural agility and explosiveness to effectively close on plays in front and to the boundary. He demonstrates excellent lateral quickness and can transition into chase mode effectively in pass coverage. He is extremely aggressive from off coverage, and does a nice job of consistently breaking in front of routes to gain inside positioning. He plays the ball in the air as if it were intended for him, showing the ability to pluck the ball at its highest point for interceptions. He does an excellent job of breaking down in space to consistently finish tackles in the open field.
WEAKNESSES - While Cyprien displays very good instincts in man coverage and when playing the run, the same cannot be said about his play in zone coverage or against play-action fakes. When asked to play cover three in games I graded he struggled to quickly identify deep routes in his area and was consequently at times a beat late moving toward the ball. When lined up in the box, he tended to freeze up when faced with PA, and too often allowed his man to get behind him. He also needs to stay low in his pedal, as he tends to get high and choppy, which can limit COD.
SUMMARY - Jonathan Cyprien was an exciting player to evaluate, as he has the size, athleticism and physicality to be a force on the back end at the next level. He is an aggressive player in the box that shows the ability to consistently wrap up and finish tackles as well as use his physicality to cover bigger TEs effectively. From off coverage he displays outstanding instincts, as he consistently diagnoses routes quickly and cuts off routes before his receiver can get out of his break. When the ball is in the air he attacks it like a receiver, and shows solid hands on balls outside of his frame. He needs to improve his feel for zone coverage from a deep alignment and do a better job of recovering against play-action passes, but he is a well-rounded player ready to make a big impact in the NFL. He will surely hear his name called and day one, and could be gone within the first 20 picks.
Carimi currently working with the 2nd team at guard. They have no plans to put him back at tackle.But, they can't pass on a guy like Cooper. The interior of that line was disastrous last year. Slauson is on a one yr deal and Carimi probably sucks. Those are basically the only guards they have worth mentioning.BTW - I'm not crazy about that pick for Chicago. I think they'd kick Carimi inside before they drafted a guard.
Trufant is the one name I don't agree with at all for where he went.Brady and I were discussing a trade. The deal would have been a swap of firsts for Atlanta's 3rd and 5th. While that would be the right value, the more I think about it, they're probably looking to move much higher up than that and get a CB. So I'm going to stand pat for now.
If they trade up, it's likely to me that it's for either Milliner or Trufant.
He runs terrible routes, catches with his body, and has had really bad interviews.Over Cordarelle? Interesting. Why do you think Patterson's stock is dropping?