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Shark Pool Mock #2 - "What teams WILL do" - Spots open. (1 Viewer)

I think the Bears are hot to trade out of this spot and will definitely do so, but so as not to hold this up, I'll take my first choice and almost a perfect pick here...

1.20 Bears take Jonathan Cooper, OG. UNC

 
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Bracie Smathers said:
Here is the up-to-date board.

1 Kansas City - Andy D - Luke Joeckel, OT - Texas A&M

2 Jacksonville – jshare87 - Dion Jordan, DE/OLB - Oregon

3 Oakland - krsone21 - Sharrif Floyd, DT - Florida

4 Philadelphia - Andy D - Geno Smith, QB - WVU

5 Detroit - 8ebok24 - Eric Fisher, OT - Central Mich.

6 Cleveland - Bracie Smathers - Dee Milliner, CB - Alabama

7 Arizona - ebaughn - Lane Johnson, OT - Oklahoma

8 Buffalo - Donsmith753 - Ryan Nassib, QB - Syracuse

9 NY Jets - Hell Toupee - Ziggy Ansah, DE - BYU

10 Tennessee - FUBAR - Xavier Rhodes, CB - FSU

11 San Diego – Ray Finkle - Chance Warmack, OG, Bama

12 Miami - Slapdash/JackReacher - CB Desmond Trufant. Washington

13 Tampa Bay – RJS113 - FS Kenny Vaccaro, Texas

14 Carolina - jurb26 - DT Star Lotulelei, Utah

15 New Orleans - IHEARTFF - OLB/DE Jarvis Jones, Georgia

16 St. Louis - Brady Marino - WR Tavon Austin, West Virginia

17 Pittsburgh - Evilgrin 72 - OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU

18 Dallas - FunkyTeaParty - DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri

19 NY Giants - amicsta - DE Bjoern Werner, FSU

20 Chicago - William Munny - OG Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina

21 Cincinnati - cheese -

22 St. Louis (from Washington) - Brady Marino

23 Minnesota - 8ebok24

24 Indianapolis - Bamac

25 Minnesota - 8ebok24

26 Green Bay - pipes/meyerj31

27 Houston - meecrob

28 Denver - rascal

29 New England – Tackling Dummies

30 Atlanta - Andy D

31 San Francisco - 5Rings

32 Baltimore - ExaltedOne
 
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Cooper would be highway robbery at this point. The more I think about it, the more I think he's better for the Jets. But what's done is done.

My uber-Jets fan friend laughed at the Vaccaro pick. He thought Cooper made more sense.

 
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Very interested to see what Cincy does. They can go one of two ways, IMO, and whichever way they don't go could be the way the Rams go.

 
The St. Louis Rams are ***OFFICIALLY*** making the 22nd overall pick available for trade. Lots of guys available that teams may trade up for (Barkley, Eifert, Fluker, Ogletree, Lacy) because of fear they may get sniped. No real "OMG I HAVE TO HAVE HIM" player available for Rams at this point, with the exception of maybe one name, but the question is just how interested they are in him.

 
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This pick will be determined in the next 7 days of free agency, but as we sit here today they seem just as close to signing Dansby or another OLB as bringing back Andre.

1.21 DJ Fluker

 
Fluker or Ogletree are obvious. I like Ogletree considering that character concerns are low on the list for the Bengals. Fluker will be a steal for someone this late.

 
Fluker or Ogletree are obvious. I like Ogletree considering that character concerns are low on the list for the Bengals. Fluker will be a steal for someone this late.
Ya, and they're even more obvious when you consider the schools. They draft heavily from powerhouse programs and even more specifically have pipelined Alabama and Georgia with Geno, Green, Andre, Dre, Pollack, Thurman, Gaethers, etc.
 
I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with the 22nd overall, but I'm going to leave things open for the rest of the night in case a trade scenario pops up. Rams would likely look to do something like a 2nd + 2014 1st here if someone is just dying to get Barkley or Eifert here.

 
Fluker or Ogletree are obvious. I like Ogletree considering that character concerns are low on the list for the Bengals. Fluker will be a steal for someone this late.
Ya, and they're even more obvious when you consider the schools. They draft heavily from powerhouse programs and even more specifically have pipelined Alabama and Georgia with Geno, Green, Andre, Dre, Pollack, Thurman, Gaethers, etc.
Great post, remarkable tendency that entered into my thought process apparently for a reason.
 
With Vaccaro off the board, this becomes a choice of two players or a trade. I don't see a trade here unless the Rams are getting a late 1st back and someone just REALLY wants Mingo here. Could happen, but I just don't see the Rams ready to deal quite yet.

The two players are: LB Alec Ogletree and WR Tavon Austin.

LB is a need for the Rams, as the only starter-quality LB they have are Laurenaitis and Dunbar. Ogletree is considered as a gifted player at LB and, from what I read, could probably man an OLB position. But, the rub here is he's a knucklehead and there's a wonder about just how far he'll slip.

As for Austin, he would be an upgraded replacement over Danny Amendola, IMO. He's fast, elusive, and a hardcore competitor. Everything about his character comes back aces. The Rams have the raw Quick, the one-dimensional burner in Givens, and Pettis, who has shown flashes of being decent, but would be a stretch as a slot guy. Ideal #4 guy, IMO. The rub is Austin's size and questions about his durability, but he's never missed a game or a practice in college and he wouldn't be the first small guy to succeed in the NFL, nor the first small WR that Fisher has had success with. (Derrick Mason anyone?)

Therefore, given the need and the slideability of Ogletree...

1.16- St. Louis Rams select...Tavon Austin, Wide Receiver, West Virginia.
Good analysis and pick
 
Cooper would be highway robbery at this point. The more I think about it, the more I think he's better for the Jets. But what's done is done.

My uber-Jets fan friend laughed at the Vaccaro pick. He thought Cooper made more sense.
So in a passing league your team has no safeties and when informed that in our mock said team took the top safety your friend laughed because he thinks we should have taken...a guard?

Mmmkay.

 
Cooper would be highway robbery at this point. The more I think about it, the more I think he's better for the Jets. But what's done is done. My uber-Jets fan friend laughed at the Vaccaro pick. He thought Cooper made more sense.
So in a passing league your team has no safeties and when informed that in our mock said team took the top safety your friend laughed because he thinks we should have taken...a guard? Mmmkay.
Ha ha! Bear in mind we are talking about a Jets fan and the NFL draft. Regardless of the choice I can hear the boos already.
 
I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with the 22nd overall, but I'm going to leave things open for the rest of the night in case a trade scenario pops up. Rams would likely look to do something like a 2nd + 2014 1st here if someone is just dying to get Barkley or Eifert here.
Wouldn't give a 1st with this year's 2nd, but possibly next year's 2nd and this year's 2.09 for the pick. Is it too far to jump without giving too much?

Titans would want Cooper, but G just isn't worth a 1st and a 2nd.

 
I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with the 22nd overall, but I'm going to leave things open for the rest of the night in case a trade scenario pops up. Rams would likely look to do something like a 2nd + 2014 1st here if someone is just dying to get Barkley or Eifert here.
Wouldn't give a 1st with this year's 2nd, but possibly next year's 2nd and this year's 2.09 for the pick. Is it too far to jump without giving too much?

Titans would want Cooper, but G just isn't worth a 1st and a 2nd.
Intriguing, but in this draft, I think the Rams would want picks this year given the depth. In a weak draft, I think the Rams would have considered that.

 
Cooper would be highway robbery at this point. The more I think about it, the more I think he's better for the Jets. But what's done is done. My uber-Jets fan friend laughed at the Vaccaro pick. He thought Cooper made more sense.
So in a passing league your team has no safeties and when informed that in our mock said team took the top safety your friend laughed because he thinks we should have taken...a guard? Mmmkay.
Ha ha! Bear in mind we are talking about a Jets fan and the NFL draft. Regardless of the choice I can hear the boos already.
I didn't say my friend was rational. ;)

 
I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with the 22nd overall, but I'm going to leave things open for the rest of the night in case a trade scenario pops up. Rams would likely look to do something like a 2nd + 2014 1st here if someone is just dying to get Barkley or Eifert here.
Wouldn't give a 1st with this year's 2nd, but possibly next year's 2nd and this year's 2.09 for the pick. Is it too far to jump without giving too much?

Titans would want Cooper, but G just isn't worth a 1st and a 2nd.
Intriguing, but in this draft, I think the Rams would want picks this year given the depth. In a weak draft, I think the Rams would have considered that.
2nd and 3rd come close point-wise. We'd do that.

 
I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with the 22nd overall, but I'm going to leave things open for the rest of the night in case a trade scenario pops up. Rams would likely look to do something like a 2nd + 2014 1st here if someone is just dying to get Barkley or Eifert here.
Wouldn't give a 1st with this year's 2nd, but possibly next year's 2nd and this year's 2.09 for the pick. Is it too far to jump without giving too much?

Titans would want Cooper, but G just isn't worth a 1st and a 2nd.
Intriguing, but in this draft, I think the Rams would want picks this year given the depth. In a weak draft, I think the Rams would have considered that.
2nd and 3rd come close point-wise. We'd do that.
Currently in negotiations with another team where the Rams would get a 1st. That would be the preference I would think.

 
I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with the 22nd overall, but I'm going to leave things open for the rest of the night in case a trade scenario pops up. Rams would likely look to do something like a 2nd + 2014 1st here if someone is just dying to get Barkley or Eifert here.
Wouldn't give a 1st with this year's 2nd, but possibly next year's 2nd and this year's 2.09 for the pick. Is it too far to jump without giving too much?

Titans would want Cooper, but G just isn't worth a 1st and a 2nd.
Intriguing, but in this draft, I think the Rams would want picks this year given the depth. In a weak draft, I think the Rams would have considered that.
2nd and 3rd come close point-wise. We'd do that.
Currently in negotiations with another team where the Rams would get a 1st. That would be the preference I would think.
I'd imagine so.

 
Fluker or Ogletree are obvious. I like Ogletree considering that character concerns are low on the list for the Bengals. Fluker will be a steal for someone this late.
Ya, and they're even more obvious when you consider the schools. They draft heavily from powerhouse programs and even more specifically have pipelined Alabama and Georgia with Geno, Green, Andre, Dre, Pollack, Thurman, Gaethers, etc.
Great post, remarkable tendency that entered into my thought process apparently for a reason.
Thanks. Ironically, if there was a 3rd guy in the mix, it was probably Eddie Lacy... also Alabama.

 
Brady and I were discussing a trade. The deal would have been a swap of firsts for Atlanta's 3rd and 5th. While that would be the right value, the more I think about it, they're probably looking to move much higher up than that and get a CB. So I'm going to stand pat for now.

If they trade up, it's likely to me that it's for either Milliner or Trufant.

 
Brady and I were discussing a trade. The deal would have been a swap of firsts for Atlanta's 3rd and 5th. While that would be the right value, the more I think about it, they're probably looking to move much higher up than that and get a CB. So I'm going to stand pat for now.

If they trade up, it's likely to me that it's for either Milliner or Trufant.
And the more I think about it, the Rams would get much better value dealing out of #16, but it'd still be hard to do for them if Austin and/or Vaccaro are still on the board.

 
Ok, so with the Rams not getting a 1st back, I feel they will decide to go with the BPA on defense still on the board. This pick also fills something of a need.

With the 22nd pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams select...Alec Ogletree, Linebacker, University of Georgia.

With the Rams having a void at one of their OLB spots, they tap the talented, yet troubled Ogletree. Jeff Fisher is the kind of guy that will take chances on talented, yet troubled guys (Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson aren't exactly peaches) and I think Ogletree is the guy he would gamble on. Yes, he's had his bouts with the law, but he's also considered a good football character who is also a good student. His crimes are, IMO, those of immaturity and one has to hope that those issues are chalked up to youth. He's a physical Adonis who simply makes plays, and that's someone the Rams could definitely use on the defensive side of the ball.

Plus, looking at who's left, he's the only need the Rams have at this point that wouldn't be a reach here, IMO. This does lead me to believe that they could still look to trade down here if they can get a package of this year's picks back.

 
Lots of options for the Rams with that pick and Ogletree definitely has to be an option.

I think that pick is Cyprien but this is good too.

 
Lots of options for the Rams with that pick and Ogletree definitely has to be an option.

I think that pick is Cyprien but this is good too.
Cyprien would logically be on the radar, but I haven't heard him mentioned in Rams circles at all. In fact, not even sure he was brought in for a predraft visit. According to the STL Post-Dispatch, they haven't brought in a single safety. They have brought in Ogletree, however.

Edit: If the Rams do go safety, I see them going Elam before Cyprien, IMO. Cyprien has questionable instincts and I think Elam would be more adept to stepping in right away and starting while Cyprien may be a project.

 
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23rd pick the Minnesota Vikings select

Manti Te'o, MLB

They have 5 pressing needs. MLB, WR, CB, DT, and SS. I think they will wait on WR until round 2. With Jennings and Simpson on the outside and Jarius Wright in the slot, they aren't in a dire need. I want these first two picks to be defense. We all know the Vikings love Notre Dame players with Rick Spielman at the helm. It was reported that Spielman had dinner with Manti after his pro day. The question is, can he stay on the field for 3rd downs? This is what I think they will do.

What I want them to do, and this might be a pipe dream, but not totally crazy, is take Cyprien and Trufant with their first two picks and have their DB's set for years to come with Harrison Smith, Chris Cook, and Josh Robinson.

 
Lots of options for the Rams with that pick and Ogletree definitely has to be an option.

I think that pick is Cyprien but this is good too.
Cyprien would logically be on the radar, but I haven't heard him mentioned in Rams circles at all. In fact, not even sure he was brought in for a predraft visit. According to the STL Post-Dispatch, they haven't brought in a single safety. They have brought in Ogletree, however.

Edit: If the Rams do go safety, I see them going Elam before Cyprien, IMO. Cyprien has questionable instincts and I think Elam would be more adept to stepping in right away and starting while Cyprien may be a project.
Haven't seen anyone saying this.

But either Elam or Cyprien would be a massive upgrade.

 
Lots of options for the Rams with that pick and Ogletree definitely has to be an option.

I think that pick is Cyprien but this is good too.
Cyprien would logically be on the radar, but I haven't heard him mentioned in Rams circles at all. In fact, not even sure he was brought in for a predraft visit. According to the STL Post-Dispatch, they haven't brought in a single safety. They have brought in Ogletree, however.

Edit: If the Rams do go safety, I see them going Elam before Cyprien, IMO. Cyprien has questionable instincts and I think Elam would be more adept to stepping in right away and starting while Cyprien may be a project.
It is why I did not like the Vaccaro pick in the end and would have rathered the trade down for a team to come up for Tavon Austin who is the hot name, I would have taken the Houston offer which probalby gets me Cyprien, Reid or Elam instead and got a 2nd rounder to grab more things that the Jets need. I just dont see Vaccaro as much better than these 3. Even go another position and use the 2nd round on Swearinger would be nice move also.

 
I think there's about an 80% chance the Vikings end up with Te'o.

The 20% remainder is that he's already been selected.

 
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So. Indianapolis.

I hate to throw this name out there (because I want him to be a Viking) but...Jamar Taylor?

Maybe Cordarrelle Patterson or another WR?

 
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Lots of options for the Rams with that pick and Ogletree definitely has to be an option.

I think that pick is Cyprien but this is good too.
Cyprien would logically be on the radar, but I haven't heard him mentioned in Rams circles at all. In fact, not even sure he was brought in for a predraft visit. According to the STL Post-Dispatch, they haven't brought in a single safety. They have brought in Ogletree, however.

Edit: If the Rams do go safety, I see them going Elam before Cyprien, IMO. Cyprien has questionable instincts and I think Elam would be more adept to stepping in right away and starting while Cyprien may be a project.
Haven't seen anyone saying this.

But either Elam or Cyprien would be a massive upgrade.
From ESPN:

Appears to be quarterback of the defense and regularly gets players aligned pre snap but not a naturally instinctive player. Gets caught out of position too much. Flashes ability to jump routes but overaggressive and route recognition is just average. Takes cheese and gets caught jumping up in zone looks. Vulnerable to double moves. Bites on play action. Doesn't get head turned around in time to locate the ball when forced to turn back to the quarterback. Can launch at receivers and needs to develop better feel for when to pull up.

Like I said, I think Elam would be a slight reach, but would be fine there. But that damning scouting report on Cyprien turns me off on him.

 
From ESPN:

Appears to be quarterback of the defense and regularly gets players aligned pre snap but not a naturally instinctive player. Gets caught out of position too much. Flashes ability to jump routes but overaggressive and route recognition is just average. Takes cheese and gets caught jumping up in zone looks. Vulnerable to double moves. Bites on play action. Doesn't get head turned around in time to locate the ball when forced to turn back to the quarterback. Can launch at receivers and needs to develop better feel for when to pull up.

Like I said, I think Elam would be a slight reach, but would be fine there. But that damning scouting report on Cyprien turns me off on him.
I think I see the problem... ;)

Then there's this review:

STRENGTHS - Cyprien has very good height, length and bulk for the safety position. He demonstrates excellent playing speed in space, and uses his natural agility and explosiveness to effectively close on plays in front and to the boundary. He demonstrates excellent lateral quickness and can transition into chase mode effectively in pass coverage. He is extremely aggressive from off coverage, and does a nice job of consistently breaking in front of routes to gain inside positioning. He plays the ball in the air as if it were intended for him, showing the ability to pluck the ball at its highest point for interceptions. He does an excellent job of breaking down in space to consistently finish tackles in the open field.

WEAKNESSES - While Cyprien displays very good instincts in man coverage and when playing the run, the same cannot be said about his play in zone coverage or against play-action fakes. When asked to play cover three in games I graded he struggled to quickly identify deep routes in his area and was consequently at times a beat late moving toward the ball. When lined up in the box, he tended to freeze up when faced with PA, and too often allowed his man to get behind him. He also needs to stay low in his pedal, as he tends to get high and choppy, which can limit COD.

SUMMARY - Jonathan Cyprien was an exciting player to evaluate, as he has the size, athleticism and physicality to be a force on the back end at the next level. He is an aggressive player in the box that shows the ability to consistently wrap up and finish tackles as well as use his physicality to cover bigger TEs effectively. From off coverage he displays outstanding instincts, as he consistently diagnoses routes quickly and cuts off routes before his receiver can get out of his break. When the ball is in the air he attacks it like a receiver, and shows solid hands on balls outside of his frame. He needs to improve his feel for zone coverage from a deep alignment and do a better job of recovering against play-action passes, but he is a well-rounded player ready to make a big impact in the NFL. He will surely hear his name called and day one, and could be gone within the first 20 picks.
 
From ESPN:

Appears to be quarterback of the defense and regularly gets players aligned pre snap but not a naturally instinctive player. Gets caught out of position too much. Flashes ability to jump routes but overaggressive and route recognition is just average. Takes cheese and gets caught jumping up in zone looks. Vulnerable to double moves. Bites on play action. Doesn't get head turned around in time to locate the ball when forced to turn back to the quarterback. Can launch at receivers and needs to develop better feel for when to pull up.

Like I said, I think Elam would be a slight reach, but would be fine there. But that damning scouting report on Cyprien turns me off on him.
I think I see the problem... ;)

Then there's this review:

>STRENGTHS - Cyprien has very good height, length and bulk for the safety position. He demonstrates excellent playing speed in space, and uses his natural agility and explosiveness to effectively close on plays in front and to the boundary. He demonstrates excellent lateral quickness and can transition into chase mode effectively in pass coverage. He is extremely aggressive from off coverage, and does a nice job of consistently breaking in front of routes to gain inside positioning. He plays the ball in the air as if it were intended for him, showing the ability to pluck the ball at its highest point for interceptions. He does an excellent job of breaking down in space to consistently finish tackles in the open field.

WEAKNESSES - While Cyprien displays very good instincts in man coverage and when playing the run, the same cannot be said about his play in zone coverage or against play-action fakes. When asked to play cover three in games I graded he struggled to quickly identify deep routes in his area and was consequently at times a beat late moving toward the ball. When lined up in the box, he tended to freeze up when faced with PA, and too often allowed his man to get behind him. He also needs to stay low in his pedal, as he tends to get high and choppy, which can limit COD.

SUMMARY - Jonathan Cyprien was an exciting player to evaluate, as he has the size, athleticism and physicality to be a force on the back end at the next level. He is an aggressive player in the box that shows the ability to consistently wrap up and finish tackles as well as use his physicality to cover bigger TEs effectively. From off coverage he displays outstanding instincts, as he consistently diagnoses routes quickly and cuts off routes before his receiver can get out of his break. When the ball is in the air he attacks it like a receiver, and shows solid hands on balls outside of his frame. He needs to improve his feel for zone coverage from a deep alignment and do a better job of recovering against play-action passes, but he is a well-rounded player ready to make a big impact in the NFL. He will surely hear his name called and day one, and could be gone within the first 20 picks.
Interesting.

Part of why I like Elam better is I believe that the Rams will bring back Quentin Mikell, who's similar to Cyprien in a lot of ways. I think with their skillsets, I like an Elam/Mikell pairing at safety over Cyprien/Mikell, IMO.

 
Since we're talking about Cyprien... he's a player that has been mocked a lot to the Bengals. They desperately need a safety to pair with Nelson. The problem for this format is that they've shown time after time after time that they don't value the position at all. I will be shocked if they actually spend a 1st on it, even if they need to. I would say of all the positions on either side of the ball, this is the one the Bengals as an organization treat as an afterthought.

Heck, they might ignore it entirely in the draft and see if they can pry Chris Crocker off the couch again. I would hope they would look at Cyprien as at least an option if he's there in rd2.

 
And not to belabor the issue, but there's some good safeties that will be available for the Rams in the 2nd round (Reid, Swearinger, maybe Elam).

 
BTW - I'm not crazy about that pick for Chicago. I think they'd kick Carimi inside before they drafted a guard.
Carimi currently working with the 2nd team at guard. They have no plans to put him back at tackle.But, they can't pass on a guy like Cooper. The interior of that line was disastrous last year. Slauson is on a one yr deal and Carimi probably sucks. Those are basically the only guards they have worth mentioning.
 
Okay, I don't know which one it'll be but I think at this spot, with all the talent available at the position, the Colts would look at a WR here.

1.24 - DeAndre Hopkins, WR - Clemson

 
Brady and I were discussing a trade. The deal would have been a swap of firsts for Atlanta's 3rd and 5th. While that would be the right value, the more I think about it, they're probably looking to move much higher up than that and get a CB. So I'm going to stand pat for now.

If they trade up, it's likely to me that it's for either Milliner or Trufant.
Trufant is the one name I don't agree with at all for where he went.

I am not sure his name will get called in the first round.

Seemed like a reach and the more I look at that pick its like nails on a chalkboard. It doesn't seem to fit for a top-twelve pick to me.

 

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