Shark Pool Mock #2 - "What teams WILL do" - Spots open. (1 Viewer)

[Brady Marino]

It's either that or possibly Eifert or Jarvis Jones.

Think Vacarro would be an option there?

He and Barron would make an elite SS pairing, but safety isn't a glaring need for them, IMO.

 

[Slapdash]

Doesn't seem like a lot of value in that trade. I see Minny or SF as likely targets for this pick.

I think the Vikings are more likely to trade down than up in this draft.

Why do you say that? IMO, Austin would be very appealing to them. A lot like Percy but not so disgruntled.

I agree with FP. They'll probably make one of those picks but trade out of the other.

After signing Jennings, the WR situation isn't quite so desperate. And it's a team with way more holes than their record from last year portrays them as having. They need all the picks they can get.

Did they still not re-sign Brinkley in the middle?

I think their WRs do need to be upgraded. I like Jennings but he is injury prone. Unless you expect one of the boys out of Arky to take a step forward this year.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Here is the up-to-date board and I have a suggestion for Tama Bay's pick.

Tampa had by-far THEE WORST Pass defense in the National Football League last year, not just the worst last year but the SECOND WORST IN NFL HISTORY.

That is bad my freinds.

I have two trade suggestions to help boost that turrble-D and two draft suggestions if you don't like the trade scenarios. 1. Allow the pick to go to NYJs in the Darrelle Revis deal. 2. Trade to Cleveland for CB Dee Milliner this pick and their second and a fifth (it works on the trade point system) in which case Cleveland would take OLB/DE Barkevius Mingo here. 3. Draft FS Kenny Vaccaro here. 4. Draft DE Bjeorn Werner here since he's the best 4-3 DE in the draft and a great value here.


1 Kansas City - Andy D - Luke Joeckel, OT - Texas A&M

2 Jacksonville – jshare87 - Dion Jordan, DE/OLB - Oregon

3 Oakland - krsone21 - Sharrif Floyd, DT - Florida

4 Philadelphia - Andy D - Geno Smith, QB - WVU

5 Detroit - 8ebok24 - Eric Fisher, OT - Central Mich.

6 Cleveland - Bracie Smathers - Dee Milliner, CB - Alabama

7 Arizona - ebaughn - Lane Johnson, OT - Oklahoma

8 Buffalo - Donsmith753 - Ryan Nassib, QB - Syracuse

9 NY Jets - Hell Toupee - Ziggy Ansah, DE - BYU

10 Tennessee - FUBAR - Xavier Rhodes, CB - FSU

11 San Diego – Ray Finkle - Chance Warmack, OG, Bama

12 Miami - Slapdash/JackReacher - CB Desmond Trufant. Washington


13 Tampa Bay – RJS113


14 Carolina - jurb26
15 New Orleans - IHEARTFF
16 St. Louis - Brady Marino
17 Pittsburgh - Evilgrin 72
18 Dallas - FunkyTeaParty
19 NY Giants - amicsta
20 Chicago - William Munny
21 Cincinnati - cheese
22 St. Louis (from Washington) - Brady Marino
23 Minnesota - 8ebok24
24 Indianapolis - Bamac
25 Minnesota - 8ebok24
26 Green Bay - pipes/meyerj31
27 Houston - meecrob
28 Denver - rascal
29 New England – Tackling Dummies
30 Atlanta - Andy D
31 San Francisco - 5Rings
32 Baltimore - ExaltedOne

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Let's go with the Jets trade. I still think that gets done.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Allowing the Darrelle Revis deal to go through, by-far makes the most sense IMHO which would put the Jets back on the clock.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Did they still not re-sign Brinkley in the middle?

I think their WRs do need to be upgraded. I like Jennings but he is injury prone. Unless you expect one of the boys out of Arky to take a step forward this year.

No. Brinkley is in Arizona now.

I think they like what they have in Jarius Wright. They'll take a WR, just not in the 1st (even though I want them to take Woods there).

 

[Brady Marino]

Hearing Jets may go bookend pass-rushers if they get two 1sts. Mingo would make sense here. Otherwise, Jonathan Cooper would make a ton of sense as well.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jets should like Vaccaro here.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If the JETS trade Reivs and are on the clock right now then.......

The trade I suggested for the Tampa Bay pick would still apply and make a heck of a lot of sense. (where the Jets ship this pick to Cleveland and their 2nd and 5th for CB Dee Milliner to replace Revis).

If the Jets are open to that then the Browns would take OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo here.

 

[Slapdash]

Allowing the Darrelle Revis deal to go through, by-far makes the most sense IMHO which would put the Jets back on the clock.

Yes. Having three CBs gone before TB's pick is not good for them.

 

[The Hank]

What is going on?

 

[FUBAR]

If the JETS trade Reivs and are on the clock right now then.......

The trade I suggested for the Tampa Bay pick would still apply and make a heck of a lot of sense. (where the Jets ship this pick to Cleveland and their 2nd and 5th for CB Dee Milliner to replace Revis).

If the Jets are open to that then the Browns would take OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo here.

Don't think the Jets could do that, they need those picks and should just take Vaccaro.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What is going on?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If the JETS trade Reivs and are on the clock right now then.......

The trade I suggested for the Tampa Bay pick would still apply and make a heck of a lot of sense. (where the Jets ship this pick to Cleveland and their 2nd and 5th for CB Dee Milliner to replace Revis).

If the Jets are open to that then the Browns would take OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo here.

Don't think the Jets could do that, they need those picks and should just take Vaccaro.

Its much more difficult to land thee-top CB in any draft over the top FS.

Vaccarro's forty is in the 4.6/4.7 range which is slow for any DB.

I like him but not this high and certainly not if I had a shot at landing the top corner to replace Darrelle Revis.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

What is going on?

3 or 4 people are having a trade scenario circle jerk that is going to delay the Steelers from going on the clock until exactly 60 seconds after I leave work and sign off FBG for the day. Be prepared to make pick #17.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sorry Bracie. You're getting carried away again.

Jets will make this pick here.

 

[Brady Marino]

What is going on?

3 or 4 people are having a trade scenario circle jerk that is going to delay the Steelers from going on the clock until exactly 60 seconds after I leave work and sign off FBG for the day. Be prepared to make pick #17.

Thinking the same thing's going to happen to me at #16.

 

[Grahamburn]

Did the Bucs trade for Revis?!

 

[Crippler]

If the JETS trade Reivs and are on the clock right now then.......

The trade I suggested for the Tampa Bay pick would still apply and make a heck of a lot of sense. (where the Jets ship this pick to Cleveland and their 2nd and 5th for CB Dee Milliner to replace Revis).

If the Jets are open to that then the Browns would take OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo here.

Don't think the Jets could do that, they need those picks and should just take Vaccaro.

Do the Revis deal and than do the deal for the team coming up for Austin. Grab lots of picks in this draft. They can use so many things

 

[Grahamburn]

How close to the draft can the Jets and Bucs get before they have to call the whole thing off? Obviously Tampa will need to check Revis out and sign him to a new deal before a trade can be finalized.

I'd think this thing would need to get done in the next few days or it isn't going to happen.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Doesn't seem like a lot of value in that trade. I see Minny or SF as likely targets for this pick.

I think the Vikings are more likely to trade down than up in this draft.

Why do you say that? IMO, Austin would be very appealing to them. A lot like Percy but not so disgruntled.

I just think that they have good slot receivers in Jarius Wright and Greg Jennings...they need a bigger WR.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Did the Bucs trade for Revis?!

They did in here.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Going back to the Eagles/Geno thing. This blurb is from Rotoworld (yes, I know)

Michael Vick says the Eagles have been running a "lot" of read-option plays in this week's voluntary workouts.

Vick called the offense "very refreshing." There's been much handwringing over how coach Chip Kelly will adapt his breakneck zone-read attack to the NFL, but this is an (extremely early) indication he has no plans to dramatically alter it. Vick also claimed — via a dry zinger — that Nick Foles is a fit for Kelly's offense. "I mean, he can run. He has two legs." Foles doesn't have a realistic shot at earning the starting gig.

 

[cheese]

Not that I disagree with you guys, but it's funny to me that the Jets of all teams are not interested in Austin if they land in this pick while others are. I can't think of a single team in the league that needs a dynamic playmaker more than the Jets. They seem clueless to that fact though, so they'd probably take Mingo.

 

[Brady Marino]

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I wouldn't be shocked if the Chiefs decided to take Eric Fisher with the #1 pick. A lot of buzz out there. #NFLDraft

 

[Slapdash]

Not that I disagree with you guys, but it's funny to me that the Jets of all teams are not interested in Austin if they land in this pick while others are. I can't think of a single team in the league that needs a dynamic playmaker more than the Jets. They seem clueless to that fact though, so they'd probably take Mingo.

What good does it do if Sanchez is butt-fumbling before he can get the ball to him?

 

[Brady Marino]

Not that I disagree with you guys, but it's funny to me that the Jets of all teams are not interested in Austin if they land in this pick while others are. I can't think of a single team in the league that needs a dynamic playmaker more than the Jets. They seem clueless to that fact though, so they'd probably take Mingo.

What good does it do if Sanchez is butt-fumbling before he can get the ball to him?

This. Jets have more issues than making sure they get a pint-sized WR with their 1st rounder.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

If the Eagles and Bills draft Geno Smith and Ryan Nassib at #4 and #8 respectively, I'll be tickled pink as a Steelers fan because that means 2 more good players will be there for them at #17 but the braintrusts of both those teams should be fired instantly.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Not that I disagree with you guys, but it's funny to me that the Jets of all teams are not interested in Austin if they land in this pick while others are. I can't think of a single team in the league that needs a dynamic playmaker more than the Jets. They seem clueless to that fact though, so they'd probably take Mingo.

What good does it do if Sanchez is butt-fumbling before he can get the ball to him?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If the JETS trade Reivs and are on the clock right now then.......

The trade I suggested for the Tampa Bay pick would still apply and make a heck of a lot of sense. (where the Jets ship this pick to Cleveland and their 2nd and 5th for CB Dee Milliner to replace Revis).

If the Jets are open to that then the Browns would take OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo here.

Don't think the Jets could do that, they need those picks and should just take Vaccaro.

Do the Revis deal and than do the deal for the team coming up for Austin. Grab lots of picks in this draft. They can use so many things

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If the JETS trade Reivs and are on the clock right now then.......

The trade I suggested for the Tampa Bay pick would still apply and make a heck of a lot of sense. (where the Jets ship this pick to Cleveland and their 2nd and 5th for CB Dee Milliner to replace Revis).

If the Jets are open to that then the Browns would take OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo here.

Don't think the Jets could do that, they need those picks and should just take Vaccaro.

Do the Revis deal and than do the deal for the team coming up for Austin. Grab lots of picks in this draft. They can use so many things

The idea that if a team needs something that all they have to do is draft a guy in later rounds is well and good, very good until you check out how later round draft selections turn out.

Rarely does a fifth round pick turn out and the odds of a high first round pick being a solid starter over a mid second round pick show that if a team has a need and the top rated guy is available if they move later picks then their odds of landing a solid starter are better with the high first round top-rated player over the ideal world where those later picks will get solid starting players.

In any event DT Star Lotulelei is sticking out like a sore thumb.

If the JETS have this pick then how in the world do they pass on Star?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the JETS have this pick then how in the world do they pass on Star?

Because they're terrible everywhere. And I'm not sure the NFL community is as sold on Star as the draftniks are.

Both LaRon Landry and Yeremiah Bell are gone. This almost has to be Vaccaro, right guys?

 

[Grahamburn]

If the JETS have this pick then how in the world do they pass on Star?

Because they're terrible everywhere. And I'm not sure the NFL community is as sold on Star as the draftniks are.

Both LaRon Landry and Yeremiah Bell are gone. This almost has to be Vaccaro, right guys?

The Jets' fans will not appreciate you saying this.

 

[Slapdash]

Yeah. Vaccaro is going to baller.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the JETS have this pick then how in the world do they pass on Star?

Because they're terrible everywhere. And I'm not sure the NFL community is as sold on Star as the draftniks are.

Both LaRon Landry and Yeremiah Bell are gone. This almost has to be Vaccaro, right guys?

The Jets' fans will not appreciate you saying this.

But neither can they deny it.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

They are terrible everywhere because they don't take the highest rated player and Star is by-far the highest rated player still on the board. He checked out medically, no call-back to Indy and Dr. Jene gave a good assessment of the false-positive where they errred on the side of caution at the Combine.

He's fine and easily the top rated player still left on the board.

 

[Brady Marino]

Vaccaro does make sense here. If they're dealing Revis, I feel they'd want to make sure they shore up the secondary with the pick they get in return. Seeing as no CBs worthy of this spot are still available, they should go Vaccaro.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They are terrible everywhere because they don't take the highest rated player and Star is by-far the highest rated player still on the board. He checked out medically, no call-back to Indy and Dr. Jene gave a good assessment of the false-positive where they errred on the side of caution at the Combine.

He's fine and easily the top rated player still left on the board.

Saying "easily" twice in one post doesn't make it true.

That's not to say he doesn't make sense. But they have Coples and Wilkerson.

 

[5Rings]

Doesn't seem like a lot of value in that trade. I see Minny or SF as likely targets for this pick.

I thought about it, but I'm going to let him keep dropping. I'd like to keep 34 if possible.

 

[cheese]

Not that I disagree with you guys, but it's funny to me that the Jets of all teams are not interested in Austin if they land in this pick while others are. I can't think of a single team in the league that needs a dynamic playmaker more than the Jets. They seem clueless to that fact though, so they'd probably take Mingo.

What good does it do if Sanchez is butt-fumbling before he can get the ball to him?

If your QB is seriously so bad that drafting the best playmaker available doesn't even matter, then draft a QB... or they should have traded 9 and 13 to get to Geno.

Anyway, just commenting. Don't we have a Jets picker?

 

[5Rings]

Jets should go Mingo > Vaccaro IMO.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

They are terrible everywhere because they don't take the highest rated player and Star is by-far the highest rated player still on the board. He checked out medically, no call-back to Indy and Dr. Jene gave a good assessment of the false-positive where they errred on the side of caution at the Combine.

He's fine and easily the top rated player still left on the board.

Saying "easily" twice in one post doesn't make it true.

That's not to say he doesn't make sense.

Doesn't matter if I say it once, twice, ten times, or never.

Star is the highest rated player on the board and he should have before the first dozen picks.

Wouldn't suprise me if he went as high as 2nd or 3rd or 4th.

He is healthy and a great player, better than Vaccaro IMHO.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I hear what you're saying Bracie, and Star is going to be a good player, but if the Jets have a "strength" it's on their d-line (okay, not the NT but Star's not going to play that).

1.13 - Kenny Vaccaro, S - Texas

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Now, however, the Panthers will sprint to the podium to take Star Ukulele I think.

 

[patrickmcgroin]

I hope the Panthers get Star for real at 14.

 

[FUBAR]

If the JETS have this pick then how in the world do they pass on Star?

Because they're terrible everywhere. And I'm not sure the NFL community is as sold on Star as the draftniks are.

Both LaRon Landry and Yeremiah Bell are gone. This almost has to be Vaccaro, right guys?

Wouldn't mind seeing St. Louis trade up for Star.

 

[FUBAR]

I hope the Panthers get Star for real at 14.

Don't see it happening, but their middle would be downright nasty for years.

 

[FUBAR]

Now, however, the Panthers will sprint to the podium to take Star Ukulele I think.

Austin to the Saints?

 

[patrickmcgroin]

I hope the Panthers get Star for real at 14.

Don't see it happening, but their middle would be downright nasty for years.

yeah me either,

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I hope the Panthers get Star for real at 14.

Don't see it happening, but their middle would be downright nasty for years.

I don't think Lotulelei gets past pick four in the real NFL draft.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

No need to drag this thing out.

1.14 - Star Lotulelei, DT - Utah

The difficulty in the top 10 is now I think that the top three LTs will go in the top 5 and there will be two QBs taken as well. Then you include Ansah, Milliner, and Jordan in there then there's no room for the DTs Lotuleilei and Floyd.