Shark Pool Mock Draft - #1 (1 Viewer)

[rascal]

For the Fluker pick... if he actually falls this far, I can't the Packers passing up that value, even if Bulaga/Sherrod come back healthy. I'm not certain Sherrod will ever play again after that broken leg, and there's such a premium on the big guys. The Packers will give an extension to Rodgers over the off-season and they can't afford another year of 50+ sacks.I would have liked to get a monster DT here but no one of high enough value fell, and I think Fluker has more value than the next wave of DTs.

That was a good pick. Your GM would be proud of the value you got there. I would have traded up for him, but his combine scared me a bit.

 

[meyerj31]

There is no way Eddie Lacy goes as high as 21 overall.

Doug Martin had a better draft profile and was barely selected in the 1st round.

Lacy will be there in the 2nd, IMO. I think he's a reach in the 1st round anywhere.

I'm not sure that's true. I know Martin turned in a great rookie season, but I think at best Lacy is viewed as an equal prospect - and a good 40 time at his pro day could move him up well past Martin.

Lacy isn't performing at the combine due to hammy issue so that's one knock on him. I think he needed the combine more than the other backs. Teams wanted to see a good agility score to push him higher in the first round, but now all they have is game tape, which isn't ideal in his situation. I think only looking at game tape is a problem because it's hard to view his agility in tight spaces running behind that ridiculous Alabama line all year. He had five yards of free space every play. I think that all adds up to a late round first selection at best. If he is indeed only a straight line pounder like he showed this past year, then he's just not worth the value that accompanies a mid-first round selection.21 is just way too high when premium big guys are still on the board like the DTs and OTs that went behind him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

21 is just way too high when premium big guys are still on the board like the DTs and OTs that went behind him.

But there's more than enough DT's and OT's that can be had in the 2nd but there aren't an abundance of RBs that fit the Bengals scheme which Lacy does to a "T".

 

[rascal]

Who are we waiting on?

 

[IHEARTFF]

Broncos are looking to trade.....down.LOL

Broncos are looking to trade.....down.LOL

Ravens are too.

rudge Siren:Saints are looking to trade up and get in here. Don't have a 2nd, but some combo of a 3rd, 4th, and 5th are up for trade.

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[Andy Dufresne]

Who are we waiting on?

FunkyPlutos - Minnesota

 

[tdmills]

For the Fluker pick... if he actually falls this far, I can't the Packers passing up that value, even if Bulaga/Sherrod come back healthy. I'm not certain Sherrod will ever play again after that broken leg, and there's such a premium on the big guys. The Packers will give an extension to Rodgers over the off-season and they can't afford another year of 50+ sacks.I would have liked to get a mean DT here but no one of high enough value fell, and I think Fluker has more value than the next wave of DTs.I especially like that the draft profiles says he has a "mean streak" and plays very physical. Green Bay needs more of that on both lines.

You think Bulaga can play LT?

 

[rascal]

Broncos are looking to trade.....down.LOL

Broncos are looking to trade.....down.LOL

Ravens are too.

rudge Siren:Saints are looking to trade up and get in here. Don't have a 2nd, but some combo of a 3rd, 4th, and 5th are up for trade.

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215+108+36=359<<<<<<<660

 

[The Hank]

Broncos are looking to trade.....down.LOL

Broncos are looking to trade.....down.LOL

Ravens are too.

rudge Siren:Saints are looking to trade up and get in here. Don't have a 2nd, but some combo of a 3rd, 4th, and 5th are up for trade.

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Cant trade #32 OVR for a mid-3rd rder unless multiple #1's for future years are involved.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Fair enough, thanks for the responses, guys.

 

[yellowdog]

21 is just way too high when premium big guys are still on the board like the DTs and OTs that went behind him.

But there's more than enough DT's and OT's that can be had in the 2nd but there aren't an abundance of RBs that fit the Bengals scheme which Lacy does to a "T".

 

[meyerj31]

21 is just way too high when premium big guys are still on the board like the DTs and OTs that went behind him.

But there's more than enough DT's and OT's that can be had in the 2nd but there aren't an abundance of RBs that fit the Bengals scheme which Lacy does to a "T".

Not saying he doesn't fit their scheme or that he won't be productive... you just didn't get good value there. In reality, if the Bengals were targeting Lacy, they almost certainly would have traded back 6+ spots to where the last of the premium lineman went off the board and taken him then. Guys like Fluker are better than the OTs available in the 2nd round to a greater degree than Lacy is to the 2nd round RBs... which is the definition of value.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

The Minnesota Vikings select Manti Te'oToo much film of him dominating to pass up the value. The Vikings have three players on the roster that were teammates of Te'o so if he is available on draft day and they pass, then we know what they thought of him, but they need a MLB and with the exception of the Alabama game, he looks the part of a defensive anchor.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

21 is just way too high when premium big guys are still on the board like the DTs and OTs that went behind him.

But there's more than enough DT's and OT's that can be had in the 2nd but there aren't an abundance of RBs that fit the Bengals scheme which Lacy does to a "T".

Not saying he doesn't fit their scheme or that he won't be productive... you just didn't get good value there. In reality, if the Bengals were targeting Lacy, they almost certainly would have traded back 6+ spots to where the last of the premium lineman went off the board and taken him then.

Guys like Fluker are better than the OTs available in the 2nd round to a greater degree than Lacy is to the 2nd round RBs... which is the definition of value.

To who? I think you're making too many things up to justify your opinion.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Broncos on the clock?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Broncos on the clock?

Yep

 

[rascal]

Still looking to trade down. Will wait a bit, and then pick.

 

[tdmills]

21 is just way too high when premium big guys are still on the board like the DTs and OTs that went behind him.

But there's more than enough DT's and OT's that can be had in the 2nd but there aren't an abundance of RBs that fit the Bengals scheme which Lacy does to a "T".

Not saying he doesn't fit their scheme or that he won't be productive... you just didn't get good value there. In reality, if the Bengals were targeting Lacy, they almost certainly would have traded back 6+ spots to where the last of the premium lineman went off the board and taken him then.

Guys like Fluker are better than the OTs available in the 2nd round to a greater degree than Lacy is to the 2nd round RBs... which is the definition of value.

To who? I think you're making too many things up to justify your opinion.

I'd rather wait and grab a Watson or 2nd tier OT vs a 2nd tier RB(assuming Gio is gone) who the heck is even there? Stepfan Taylor, Jon Franklin, yuck

 

[meyerj31]

For the Fluker pick... if he actually falls this far, I can't the Packers passing up that value, even if Bulaga/Sherrod come back healthy. I'm not certain Sherrod will ever play again after that broken leg, and there's such a premium on the big guys. The Packers will give an extension to Rodgers over the off-season and they can't afford another year of 50+ sacks.I would have liked to get a mean DT here but no one of high enough value fell, and I think Fluker has more value than the next wave of DTs.I especially like that the draft profiles says he has a "mean streak" and plays very physical. Green Bay needs more of that on both lines.

You think Bulaga can play LT?

If it comes to that, yes. Bulaga was drafted to play LT and has done very well playing RT the past few years. He's not an elite LT but he's very much serviceable. I think GB has a lot of flexibility with their first-round pick. Sadly, that's because they have a lot of holes. But the value in the draft fits where they are picking. It's almost a certainly that a good DT or OT will fall to them at 26 and they can pick value. I'm not a fan of Lacy, but if they are high on him, I think he'll be there as well, and they'll get the feature RB that they so desperately need. I find it more likely they'll grab one of the plethora of 2nd round value RBs though, since there will likely be a good lineman prospect at 26th.

 

[Spin]

The Minnesota Vikings select Manti Te'oToo much film of him dominating to pass up the value. The Vikings have three players on the roster that were teammates of Te'o so if he is available on draft day and they pass, then we know what they thought of him, but they need a MLB and with the exception of the Alabama game, he looks the part of a defensive anchor.

Interesting.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

:rushesaheadofDenverandputsinapick:

 

[meyerj31]

21 is just way too high when premium big guys are still on the board like the DTs and OTs that went behind him.

But there's more than enough DT's and OT's that can be had in the 2nd but there aren't an abundance of RBs that fit the Bengals scheme which Lacy does to a "T".

Not saying he doesn't fit their scheme or that he won't be productive... you just didn't get good value there. In reality, if the Bengals were targeting Lacy, they almost certainly would have traded back 6+ spots to where the last of the premium lineman went off the board and taken him then.

Guys like Fluker are better than the OTs available in the 2nd round to a greater degree than Lacy is to the 2nd round RBs... which is the definition of value.

To who? I think you're making too many things up to justify your opinion.

I'd rather wait and grab a Watson or 2nd tier OT vs a 2nd tier RB(assuming Gio is gone) who the heck is even there? Stepfan Taylor, Jon Franklin, yuck

Here's where we continue to disagree. I think Stepfan Taylor is going to be a great pick in the lower second. I would much, much rather have a Fluker/Taylor combo than a Lacy/Watson. Not even particularly close, either. You guys are thinking way too much about fantasy and not real football. I'm also shocked at the WRs that have been taken already. Way too high, IMO. This is not a stud WR class. The first one will likely be takin mid to low 1st, and a slew of them in the 2nd and later. Anyone taking a WR in the first 20 picks is reaching.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Here's where we continue to disagree. I think Stepfan Taylor is going to be a great pick in the lower second. I would much, much rather have a Fluker/Taylor combo than a Lacy/Watson. Not even particularly close, either. You guys are thinking way too much about fantasy and not real football. I'm also shocked at the WRs that have been taken already. Way too high, IMO. This is not a stud WR class. The first one will likely be takin mid to low 1st, and a slew of them in the 2nd and later. Anyone taking a WR in the first 20 picks is reaching.

The same Stepfan Taylor from Stanford that ran forty times of 4.72 and 4.78 at the NFL Scouting Combine?Ooookay.

 

[JAA]

Denver looking to trade up.

22 is available

It depends on what yellow dog does. I've already sent him a PM.

My guess for Rascal

Spoiler

Tavon Austin

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Payton and Tavon Austin would be disgusting

 

[tdmills]

21 is just way too high when premium big guys are still on the board like the DTs and OTs that went behind him.

But there's more than enough DT's and OT's that can be had in the 2nd but there aren't an abundance of RBs that fit the Bengals scheme which Lacy does to a "T".

Not saying he doesn't fit their scheme or that he won't be productive... you just didn't get good value there. In reality, if the Bengals were targeting Lacy, they almost certainly would have traded back 6+ spots to where the last of the premium lineman went off the board and taken him then.

Guys like Fluker are better than the OTs available in the 2nd round to a greater degree than Lacy is to the 2nd round RBs... which is the definition of value.

To who? I think you're making too many things up to justify your opinion.

I'd rather wait and grab a Watson or 2nd tier OT vs a 2nd tier RB(assuming Gio is gone) who the heck is even there? Stepfan Taylor, Jon Franklin, yuck

Here's where we continue to disagree. I think Stepfan Taylor is going to be a great pick in the lower second. I would much, much rather have a Fluker/Taylor combo than a Lacy/Watson. Not even particularly close, either. You guys are thinking way too much about fantasy and not real football. I'm also shocked at the WRs that have been taken already. Way too high, IMO. This is not a stud WR class. The first one will likely be takin mid to low 1st, and a slew of them in the 2nd and later. Anyone taking a WR in the first 20 picks is reaching.

I've watched at least 7 games of both Lacy/Taylor, they're not even within 2 rounds of each other IMO.Lacy steps into Cinci and they automatically have a starter better than BJGE. They wait, draft Fluker(if they resign Andre Smith doesn't make sense) and draft Taylor(is BJGE's backup). Not sure how that makes them better.

 

[yellowdog]

21 is just way too high when premium big guys are still on the board like the DTs and OTs that went behind him.

But there's more than enough DT's and OT's that can be had in the 2nd but there aren't an abundance of RBs that fit the Bengals scheme which Lacy does to a "T".

Not saying he doesn't fit their scheme or that he won't be productive... you just didn't get good value there. In reality, if the Bengals were targeting Lacy, they almost certainly would have traded back 6+ spots to where the last of the premium lineman went off the board and taken him then.

Guys like Fluker are better than the OTs available in the 2nd round to a greater degree than Lacy is to the 2nd round RBs... which is the definition of value.

To who? I think you're making too many things up to justify your opinion.

I'd rather wait and grab a Watson or 2nd tier OT vs a 2nd tier RB(assuming Gio is gone) who the heck is even there? Stepfan Taylor, Jon Franklin, yuck

Here's where we continue to disagree. I think Stepfan Taylor is going to be a great pick in the lower second. I would much, much rather have a Fluker/Taylor combo than a Lacy/Watson. Not even particularly close, either. You guys are thinking way too much about fantasy and not real football. I'm also shocked at the WRs that have been taken already. Way too high, IMO. This is not a stud WR class. The first one will likely be takin mid to low 1st, and a slew of them in the 2nd and later. Anyone taking a WR in the first 20 picks is reaching.

I wouldn't.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Lacy isn't performing at the combine due to hammy issue so that's one knock on him.

Not really.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Denver looking to trade up.

22 is available

It depends on what yellow dog does. I've already sent him a PM.

My guess for Rascal

Spoiler

Tavon Austin

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Payton and Tavon Austin would be disgusting

Spoiler

HOU picked Austin at 23

 

[meyerj31]

Here's where we continue to disagree. I think Stepfan Taylor is going to be a great pick in the lower second. I would much, much rather have a Fluker/Taylor combo than a Lacy/Watson. Not even particularly close, either. You guys are thinking way too much about fantasy and not real football. I'm also shocked at the WRs that have been taken already. Way too high, IMO. This is not a stud WR class. The first one will likely be takin mid to low 1st, and a slew of them in the 2nd and later. Anyone taking a WR in the first 20 picks is reaching.

The same Stepfan Taylor from Stanford that ran forty times of 4.72 and 4.78 at the NFL Scouting Combine?Ooookay.

Yup This isn't a track meet. The beat reporters were blown away by what he did at the senior bowl, and I think he plays faster than his combine speed. Let's all recall that McCoy's stock tumbled to the lower 2nd round because he had a bad broad jump at the combine. Teams should have trusted his game tape and senior bowl, which were very good. People on these boards also put too much stock in combine results. I've heard from numerous beat writers that NFL teams' boards are set before going to the combine, and depending on what happens there they move up people up or a down a little bit. By far the most stock is put in game tape and the senior bowl.

 

[rascal]

I seriously thought about trading up for Austin, but there are other WRs available that I like for the slot position (didn't say better).Would like to trade down as there are a lot of defensive prospects that could help the Broncos.Since nobody will, Denver selects Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Yup This isn't a track meet. The beat reporters were blown away by what he did at the senior bowl, and I think he plays faster than his combine speed. Let's all recall that McCoy's stock tumbled to the lower 2nd round because he had a bad broad jump at the combine. Teams should have trusted his game tape and senior bowl, which were great. People on these boards also put too much stock in combine results. I've heard from numerous beat writers that NFL teams' boards are set before going to the combine, and depending on what happens there they move up people up or a down a little bit. By far the most stock is put in game tape and the senior bowl.

Amen!

 

[Abrantes]

Yucky trade up by the Rams.I've seen the Vaccaro/Allen combo projected to those picks in a bunch of mocks, and as sensible as it looks, it's the most boring combination I can imagine. Meh.

Why thank you, haha.

Heh, I'm not trashing the picks in terms of realistic scenarios. It's just that the two players in question seem to be the "safe" consensus picks, and neither one wows me all that much on the field. I don't want Craig Dahl seeing significant snaps either, though.

 

[Meecrob]

Denver looking to trade up.

22 is available

It depends on what yellow dog does. I've already sent him a PM.

My guess for Rascal

Spoiler

Tavon Austin

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Payton and Tavon Austin would be disgusting

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HOU picked Austin at 23

Spoiler

 

[Tackling Dummies]

NE Patriots select BYU DL Ziggy Ansah. Wooooooooooooo!

 

[JAA]

@23 Houston Selects: Tavon Austin WR/RB/KR/PR/Equipment Manager, West Virginia.The most electric player in the draft. Perfect fit for us here, fills a need with a big play threat at receiver, he will also be able to take some handoff's in certain packages ala Percy Harvin, as well as an instant and much needed upgrade to our return game. I would jizz my pants if Houston does this.

oops, Tavon:jaa:

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yup This isn't a track meet. The beat reporters were blown away by what he did at the senior bowl, and I think he plays faster than his combine speed. Let's all recall that McCoy's stock tumbled to the lower 2nd round because he had a bad broad jump at the combine. Teams should have trusted his game tape and senior bowl, which were great. People on these boards also put too much stock in combine results. I've heard from numerous beat writers that NFL teams' boards are set before going to the combine, and depending on what happens there they move up people up or a down a little bit. By far the most stock is put in game tape and the senior bowl.

Amen!

The combine oftentimes confirms what people have seen in-season and what people saw of Taylor was that he is the 2nd coming of Ron Dayne.If he goes before the 4th round I'll be surprised. He's a lesser prospect than Vic Ballard was.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

NE Patriots select BYU DL Ziggy Ansah. Wooooooooooooo!

So your username isn't just for fun?Sorry, man. That was harsh. But he was taken at 15 by the Saints.

 

[meyerj31]

I've watched at least 7 games of both Lacy/Taylor, they're not even within 2 rounds of each other IMO.Lacy steps into Cinci and they automatically have a starter better than BJGE. They wait, draft Fluker(if they resign Andre Smith doesn't make sense) and draft Taylor(is BJGE's backup). Not sure how that makes them better.

1) Don't forget that Lacy had 3 first-round lineman blocking for him the past couple of years. I'm not saying Taylor is near as good as Lacy, but the gap isn't as wide as perceived by most given their surrounding talent.2) For Cinci, your logic is fitting picks to current-year needs, which is a horrible strategy. If Cinci did re-sign Andre Smith then they would move their pick to a place where need meets value. The last thing any team should do is pick need when a higher value is on the board. But we disagree on the value of the players so this is a moot point.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

2) For Cinci, your logic is fitting picks to current-year needs, which is a horrible strategy.

What?

 

[JAA]

21 is just way too high when premium big guys are still on the board like the DTs and OTs that went behind him.

But there's more than enough DT's and OT's that can be had in the 2nd but there aren't an abundance of RBs that fit the Bengals scheme which Lacy does to a "T".

Not saying he doesn't fit their scheme or that he won't be productive... you just didn't get good value there. In reality, if the Bengals were targeting Lacy, they almost certainly would have traded back 6+ spots to where the last of the premium lineman went off the board and taken him then.

Guys like Fluker are better than the OTs available in the 2nd round to a greater degree than Lacy is to the 2nd round RBs... which is the definition of value.

To who? I think you're making too many things up to justify your opinion.

I'd rather wait and grab a Watson or 2nd tier OT vs a 2nd tier RB(assuming Gio is gone) who the heck is even there? Stepfan Taylor, Jon Franklin, yuck

Here's where we continue to disagree. I think Stepfan Taylor is going to be a great pick in the lower second. I would much, much rather have a Fluker/Taylor combo than a Lacy/Watson. Not even particularly close, either. You guys are thinking way too much about fantasy and not real football. I'm also shocked at the WRs that have been taken already. Way too high, IMO. This is not a stud WR class. The first one will likely be takin mid to low 1st, and a slew of them in the 2nd and later. Anyone taking a WR in the first 20 picks is reaching.

Because no team EVER reaches in the 1st round of the draft?

 

[JAA]

Denver looking to trade up.

22 is available

It depends on what yellow dog does. I've already sent him a PM.

My guess for Rascal

Spoiler

Tavon Austin

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Payton and Tavon Austin would be disgusting

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HOU picked Austin at 23

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I see that now

 

[Bracie Smathers]

NE Patriots select BYU DL Ziggy Ansah.

Wooooooooooooo!

He's already been taken at #15 to New Orleans.Round 1

1. Kansas City - Andy D - Chance Warmack, OG - Alabama

2. Jacksonville -jshare87 - Barkevious Mingo, DE - LSU

3. Oakland - krsone21 - Sharrif Floyd, DT - Florida

4. Philadelphia - Slider - Eric Fisher, OT - Central Michigan

5. Detroit - Tem ramrod - Luke Joeckel, OT - Texas A&M

6. Cleveland - Bracie Smathers - Jarvis Jones, LB - Georgia

7 Arizona - ebaughn - Geno Smith, QB - West Virginia

8 Buffalo - Donsmith753 - Cordarrelle Patterson, WR - Tennessee

9 NY Jets - Hell Toupee - Dion Jordan, DE/OL - Oregon.

10 Tennessee - FUBAR - Dee Milliner, CB - Alabama

11 San Diego Ray Finkle -Lane Johnson, OT - Oklahoma

12 Miami - JackReacher - Bjoern Werner, DE- Florida St.

13 Tampa Bay RJS113 - Khaseem Greene, OLB - Rutgers

14 Carolina - jurb26 - Star Lotulelei, DT - Utah

15. New Orleans - IHEARTFF - Ezekiel Ansah, DE/OLB- BYU

16 St. Louis - tdmills - Kenny Vaccaro, S - Texas

17 Pittsburgh - Evilgrin 72 - Damontre Moore, DE - Texas A&M

18 Dallas - FunkyTeaParty - Jonathan Cooper, G - North Carolina

19 NY Giants - amicsta - Sheldon Richardson, DT - Mizzou

*TRADE 20 Chicago trades pick to St. Louis- tdmills - Keenan Allen WR - Cal

21 Cincinnati - yellowdog - Eddie Lacy, RB - Alabama

*TRADE 22 St. Louis (from Washington) trades pick to Chicago- RBM - Xavier Rhodes, CB - Florida St

**TRADE 23 Minnesota - trades pick to Houston - meecrob - Tavon Austin WR/RB/KR - West Virginia.

24 Indianapolis - Bamac - Jonathan Hankins, DT/NT - Ohio State

25 Seattle - biju - Sylvester Williams, DT - North Carolina

26 Green Bay - meyerj31 - DJ Fluker, OT- OT Alabama -

**TRADE 27 Houston trades pick to Minnesota-FunkyPlutos -

Manti Te'o, LB - Notre Dame

28 Denver - rascal -- Desmond Trufant, CB - Washington

29 New England Tackling Dummies - -

30 Atlanta - Andy D - -

31 San Francisco - Spin - -

32 Baltimore - The Hank - -

*Chicago trades down from 20 to 22 with St. Louis and acquires St. Louis 4th round draft pick

**Minnesota trades down from 23 to 27 with Houston and acquires Houstons 4th round pick

 

[Andy Dufresne]

NE Patriots select BYU DL Ziggy Ansah. Wooooooooooooo!

So your username isn't just for fun?Sorry, man. That was harsh. But he was taken at 15 by the Saints.

No really. I'm SORRY. Come back!!!

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Patriots select LSU S Eric Reid

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1.30 Atlanta - Cornellius "Tank" Carradine, DE - FSUWithout the injury he had a chance at the top 10. Since people are coming back from ACL injuries with regularity now, it shouldn't concern the Falcons.The NFC Championship game showed the world that teams need athletic DE's that can not only rush the passer but have he ball recognition skills to shut down the read option.Carradine has those skills and is pretty much a no-brainer for the Falcons, I think.

 

[Grahamburn]

Patriots select LSU S Eric Reid

You seem much less excited.

 

[rascal]

Patriots select LSU S Eric Reid

You seem much less excited.

lol

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Patriots select LSU S Eric Reid

You seem much less excited.

Overlooked Ansah's earlier selection and would have loved to have him late in the round. NE needs a lot of help in the def. secondary, happy to have Reid, should be a day 1 starter or very soon after.

 

[Spin]

1.31 49ers select - Datone Jones, DE, UCLAWill do a write up after my 3 o clock.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It was between Carradine and Jones for the Falcons' pick.