Sherman is a tool (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

I am suprised he is the one who had to bring it up actually.

 

[Neofight]

Interesting perspective from Bruce Smith while on Matt Williams podcast: as a teammate he wouldn't want Sherman to change a thing if he continued to deliver the goods. He also noted that he stated without equivocation that he was the best defensive player in the league during the 1990 season, a year in which he did in fact win the Defensive Player of the Year award.

 

[Reegus]

He is definitely a ######, I mean a thug

 

[Hoodoo]

Wait, are some of you saying the word "thug" doesn't have some racial connotation to it?

Are you assuming it does?

 

[sho nuff]

Agreed...the reaction by some is getting worse than the comments he made in the first place. Though, he also stirred it up a bit adding the race part to it later. (though, I have no doubt he saw idiotic messages to him after the comments that were probably quite racist).

The idea that Sherman added race to the discussion is a little silly. I'd say the racist jerks calling him the n word, monkey, gorilla and others were responsible for adding race to the discussion. Sherman just brought it up, and for some reason a lot of people don't want to hear about it (or want to blame the discussion on Sherman.)

Why do you think that is?

The thing is...Im sure people brought up racism in posts/tweets to him sure.

I think he brought it public and then made the connection that anyone calling him a thug was basically calling him the n-word.

There I disagree...plenty of times the word thug has been used where it has nothing to do with race.

 

[sho nuff]

Wait, are some of you saying the word "thug" doesnt have some racial connotation to it?

I don't think Sherman made it a race issue. All the people criticizing him did that all on their own, and he just happened to point it out. Is he wrong for doing so?

I have seen guys play the race card and try to act like the victim. This...............is not one of those cases. It's not like he is saying that people are all over his case for what he did because he is black. He is simply referring to the comments made about him afterwards.

I think he has made the word thug a race issue.

And no, sorry, the word thug on its own has zero connection to race.

Its been used for many years to describe a behavior of people...and not any racial connotation to it.

And even saying that...his comments were not thuggish anyway.

 

[Hoodoo]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

When did thug become synonymous as some racialist term?

 

[ghostguy123]

When did thug become synonymous as some racialist term?

It sorta has been for a while in the eyes of a lot of people. I have had this conversation several times at work.

Not some overwhelming majority, and it is still an acceptible word to use by pretty much everyone.................but is it really a secret who the word is used to describe in the vast majority of cases?

 

[ghostguy123]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

Replace "thug" in your post with the N-word.....................then think about it for a sec

 

[sho nuff]

When did thug become synonymous as some racialist term?

It sorta has been for a while in the eyes of a lot of people. I have had this conversation several times at work.

Not some overwhelming majority, and it is still an acceptible word to use by pretty much everyone.................but is it really a secret who the word is used to describe in the vast majority of cases?

Its used to describe the behavior of people...not the color of their skin.

 

[ShockTheMonkey]

For those who didn't see the Sherman outburst:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWZ7aBfA85A&feature=youtu.be

Who's that cheeky monkey?

 

[biju]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

Describe to me what a "thug" says. And don't cop out and say what Sherman said. I mean find a clip on Youtube or something of someone who talks like a thug. I'd love to understand your point better because I have a tough time getting what another thug might sound like.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Wait, are some of you saying the word "thug" doesnt have some racial connotation to it?

I don't think Sherman made it a race issue. All the people criticizing him did that all on their own, and he just happened to point it out. Is he wrong for doing so?

I have seen guys play the race card and try to act like the victim. This...............is not one of those cases. It's not like he is saying that people are all over his case for what he did because he is black. He is simply referring to the comments made about him afterwards.

I think he has made the word thug a race issue.

And no, sorry, the word thug on its own has zero connection to race.

Its been used for many years to describe a behavior of people...and not any racial connotation to it.

And even saying that...his comments were not thuggish anyway.

Of course it has *some* connection to race. I don't listen to rap personally so I don't know much about it but didn't Tupac have an album called "Thug life"? Or something similar to that? If I recall it was kind of controversial because a lot of people felt it glorified crime and violence. And of course, it's irrelevant what a word has meant for many years, words gain/change meaning all the time. What "thug" means in a dictionary can be different from how it is used in practice.

And your last sentence is the whole point-his comments weren't thuggish. So why refer to him as a thug? The obvious answer is that in this case "thug" is used to connote something different from it's actual meaning.

I can't figure out why this is so hard to grasp. People being willfully obtuse or just can't understand the idea of subtexts in the use of language.

 

[ghostguy123]

I can pretty easily see why it would be offensive to a black person if someone calls them a thug or says they are acting like a thug when they do something of that nature.

I have also talked to people I work with (yes, black individuals) who have acknoledged this as well.

I mean, don't get me wrong, it is NOT the same as calling someone the N-word (something these same coworkers have also said), but I can easily see it as being offensive.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

He sounded like a violent threatening criminal? How so? I must have missed that part. I can understand people calling him an obnoxious, arrogant punk. Don't get why anyone would call him a thug because he was bragging.

One of the other threads had a linked article in which the writer mentioned Tom Brady's behavior/language at the end of their game against Carolina. Now, I haven't heard it myself but the writer described his language as MUCH worse and more threatening than anything Sherman said. Where were all the people calling Brady a thug?

 

[Hoodoo]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

Replace "thug" in your post with the N-word.....................then think about it for a sec

Then it wouldn't make any sense. A white person wouldn't be called a n***** because it is a racial term. Either one could be called a thug because it is not.

 

[Hoodoo]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

Describe to me what a "thug" says. And don't cop out and say what Sherman said. I mean find a clip on Youtube or something of someone who talks like a thug. I'd love to understand your point better because I have a tough time getting what another thug might sound like.

Do you not know what a thug might sound like? If you see two guys out in public yelling at each other in a threatening, aggressive manner, maybe calling each other names, do you think that "thug" may come to mind? Is that word so far out of the realm of possibility to you that it can ONLY mean a black criminal in your mind?

Tell me in your mind what a thug might look like. Do you see a black guy all gangsta'd up with a gun in his hand? I don't... and you shouldn't

 

[Hoodoo]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

He sounded like a violent threatening criminal? How so? I must have missed that part. I can understand people calling him an obnoxious, arrogant punk. Don't get why anyone would call him a thug because he was bragging.

One of the other threads had a linked article in which the writer mentioned Tom Brady's behavior/language at the end of their game against Carolina. Now, I haven't heard it myself but the writer described his language as MUCH worse and more threatening than anything Sherman said. Where were all the people calling Brady a thug?

Why are you so hung up on the literal meaning of the word? If I call him an ayhole, is he actually an ayhole? If I called him a dumba**, does it really meant that I think that he is dumb? What he sounded like was an angry, aggressive and arrogant d-bag, qualities that I would think he would have in common with an actual thug.

I'm glad you brought the Brady episode up. Ask & ye shall recieve:

https://www.google.com/search?q=brady+referee+thug+-sherman&oq=brady+referee+thug+-sherman&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.16888j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

 

[biju]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

Tell me in your mind what a thug might look like. Do you see a black guy all gangsta'd up with a gun in his hand? I don't... and you shouldn't

Describe to me what a "thug" says. And don't cop out and say what Sherman said. I mean find a clip on Youtube or something of someone who talks like a thug. I'd love to understand your point better because I have a tough time getting what another thug might sound like.

Do you not know what a thug might sound like? If you see two guys out in public yelling at each other in a threatening, aggressive manner, maybe calling each other names, do you think that "thug" may come to mind? Is that word so far out of the realm of possibility to you that it can ONLY mean a black criminal in your mind?

Ah, so here's a thug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTxT14ULf5M

 

[Hoodoo]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

Tell me in your mind what a thug might look like. Do you see a black guy all gangsta'd up with a gun in his hand? I don't... and you shouldn't

Describe to me what a "thug" says. And don't cop out and say what Sherman said. I mean find a clip on Youtube or something of someone who talks like a thug. I'd love to understand your point better because I have a tough time getting what another thug might sound like.

Do you not know what a thug might sound like? If you see two guys out in public yelling at each other in a threatening, aggressive manner, maybe calling each other names, do you think that "thug" may come to mind? Is that word so far out of the realm of possibility to you that it can ONLY mean a black criminal in your mind?

Ah, so here's a thug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTxT14ULf5M

No, that guy was just insane.

Here, maybe a white guy being called a thug will make you feel better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ub04Tf-kqU

 

[ghostguy123]

If you ask 100 random people to describe what a thug is, you probably get about 100 different variations of the definition, many of which will have something racial involved.

I actually don't even think of some loudmouth person acting aggressively. I moreso think of a black guy dressed a certain way, talking a certain way, probably with some form of drugs on him, hanging out with a group of people that aren't exactly looking to do charity work that evening. Sound a bit racist? Exactly the point. A lot of people would consider this to be a "thug" when generally speaking. Of course this CAN be white people as well, but nobody said the term is clearly 100% racial. Just mostly.

Hoodoo, you think a thug would be someone yelling at someone else in an aggressive manner? THAT is what a thug is to you? As I said, 100 different people, 100 different descriptions. Though I think you are the only one that would describe a thug as nothing more than someone yelling aggressively.

 

[ghostguy123]

No, that guy was just insane.

Here, maybe a white guy being called a thug will make you feel better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ub04Tf-kqU

You do realize that "thug" can be used a few different ways right? Kinda like some words that CAN have some racial implications when using them. I mean, I hate bringing up racial slurs and crap, but a couple different words like monkey and spook...........................pretty sure these are words than have absolutely no correlation to race in the dictionary, but are occasionaly used in a pretty derogatory racial manner.

Ok, done with this. I am starting to think this is becomming a pretty ridiculous conversation that I have added too much to already.

 

[biju]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

Tell me in your mind what a thug might look like. Do you see a black guy all gangsta'd up with a gun in his hand? I don't... and you shouldn't

Describe to me what a "thug" says. And don't cop out and say what Sherman said. I mean find a clip on Youtube or something of someone who talks like a thug. I'd love to understand your point better because I have a tough time getting what another thug might sound like.

Do you not know what a thug might sound like? If you see two guys out in public yelling at each other in a threatening, aggressive manner, maybe calling each other names, do you think that "thug" may come to mind? Is that word so far out of the realm of possibility to you that it can ONLY mean a black criminal in your mind?

Ah, so here's a thug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTxT14ULf5M

No, that guy was just insane.

Here, maybe a white guy being called a thug will make you feel better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ub04Tf-kqU

Are you serious? Now you're just making #### up if you are telling me this guy is a thug. And technically if you're going to go down this path, Sherman wasn't actually yelling aggressively toward someone, just about someone. So, no thug?

 

[Hoodoo]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

He sounded like a violent threatening criminal? How so? I must have missed that part. I can understand people calling him an obnoxious, arrogant punk. Don't get why anyone would call him a thug because he was bragging.

One of the other threads had a linked article in which the writer mentioned Tom Brady's behavior/language at the end of their game against Carolina. Now, I haven't heard it myself but the writer described his language as MUCH worse and more threatening than anything Sherman said. Where were all the people calling Brady a thug?

Why are you so hung up on the literal meaning of the word? If I call him an ayhole, is he actually an ayhole? If I called him a dumba**, does it really meant that I think that he is dumb? What he sounded like was an angry, aggressive and arrogant d-bag, qualities that I would think he would have in common with an actual thug.I'm glad you brought the Brady episode up. Ask & ye shall recieve:

https://www.google.com/search?q=brady+referee+thug+-sherman&oq=brady+referee+thug+-

=chrome.0.69i59.16888j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

When I call people dumbasses, yes, it's because I think they are dumb. If you called him a ####### I would assume you were using it as a generic insult because I know that we both know he's not dumb and I understand that much meaning is derived from context. People don't in my experience use "thug" as a generic insult, it has meaning apart from being an insult.

I don't see the point in going further with this honestly. You appear to see things concretely and I'm not even sure if you grasp the idea of subtext in language. The old expression "read between the lines". Anyways, I've beat this dead horse long enough.

If I called Sherman a dumba** knowing that he's a Stanford graduate, would that make me a racist? I know he's not a thug, but If I heard him yelling in an aggressive, angry manner, why is it assumed that I'm calling him that because he's black?.

You think that when a white person says a black person sounds like a thug then it must have racial undertones, that sounds like a pretty stagnant viewpoint to me. And, yeah, I do understand subtext in language, I just don't think it should be assumed. Now that I know you will resort to insults, I think I'll disengage as well.

BTW, why no comment on the link I gave you? That was over 7,000,000 hits on Brady for his tirade with the refs. Not even close to Sherman, but then again, Brady didn't cry about being called a thug either.

 

[Hoodoo]

If you ask 100 random people to describe what a thug is, you probably get about 100 different variations of the definition, many of which will have something racial involved.

I actually don't even think of some loudmouth person acting aggressively. I moreso think of a black guy dressed a certain way, talking a certain way, probably with some form of drugs on him, hanging out with a group of people that aren't exactly looking to do charity work that evening. Sound a bit racist? Exactly the point. A lot of people would consider this to be a "thug" when generally speaking. Of course this CAN be white people as well, but nobody said the term is clearly 100% racial. Just mostly.

Hoodoo, you think a thug would be someone yelling at someone else in an aggressive manner? THAT is what a thug is to you? As I said, 100 different people, 100 different descriptions. Though I think you are the only one that would describe a thug as nothing more than someone yelling aggressively.

You do realize that how you view a thug is racist, don't you? And what you're saying, that if you ask 100 different people the definition of a thug... You are saying that most people would have a racial view of a word that is not meant to be racial.

No, I didn't say that is what a thug is to me, You're thinking too literally here. I said they would sound like a thug to me. There is a huge difference

 

[ghostguy123]

Oh well, ya got me there

 

[Hoodoo]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

Tell me in your mind what a thug might look like. Do you see a black guy all gangsta'd up with a gun in his hand? I don't... and you shouldn't

Describe to me what a "thug" says. And don't cop out and say what Sherman said. I mean find a clip on Youtube or something of someone who talks like a thug. I'd love to understand your point better because I have a tough time getting what another thug might sound like.

Do you not know what a thug might sound like? If you see two guys out in public yelling at each other in a threatening, aggressive manner, maybe calling each other names, do you think that "thug" may come to mind? Is that word so far out of the realm of possibility to you that it can ONLY mean a black criminal in your mind?

Ah, so here's a thug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTxT14ULf5M

No, that guy was just insane.

Here, maybe a white guy being called a thug will make you feel better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ub04Tf-kqU

Are you serious? Now you're just making #### up if you are telling me this guy is a thug. And technically if you're going to go down this path, Sherman wasn't actually yelling aggressively toward someone, just about someone. So, no thug?

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

 

[ghostguy123]

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

It's probably because the word thug is used different ways, some of which you apparently aren't aware of.

 

[Hoodoo]

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

It's probably because the word thug is used different ways, some of which you apparently aren't aware of.

So you don't think that thug was used in the same context with Sherman vs Brady? You think that with Sherman it was mostly racial in nature whereas Brady it was not... Since Sherman is black, that is the most likely reason he was called a thug rather than the manner in which he presented himself...

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Because it fits the narrative of some whites to portray assertive young black males as threatening, without the cost of using the n-word and being explicitly racist.

This is rich. Would you call what Sherman did being assertive? People called him a thug because that is what he sounded like. If I heard a white guy acting like Sherman was then I'd say he sounded like a thug as well. That doesn't make him one, but if he doesn't want to be called that then he shouldn't be acting like one on national TV.

He sounded like a violent threatening criminal? How so? I must have missed that part. I can understand people calling him an obnoxious, arrogant punk. Don't get why anyone would call him a thug because he was bragging.One of the other threads had a linked article in which the writer mentioned Tom Brady's behavior/language at the end of their game against Carolina. Now, I haven't heard it myself but the writer described his language as MUCH worse and more threatening than anything Sherman said. Where were all the people calling Brady a thug?

Why are you so hung up on the literal meaning of the word? If I call him an ayhole, is he actually an ayhole? If I called him a dumba**, does it really meant that I think that he is dumb? What he sounded like was an angry, aggressive and arrogant d-bag, qualities that I would think he would have in common with an actual thug.I'm glad you brought the Brady episode up. Ask & ye shall recieve:

https://www.google.com/search?q=brady+referee+thug+-sherman&oq=brady+referee+thug+-

=chrome.0.69i59.16888j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

When I call people dumbasses, yes, it's because I think they are dumb. If you called him a ####### I would assume you were using it as a generic insult because I know that we both know he's not dumb and I understand that much meaning is derived from context. People don't in my experience use "thug" as a generic insult, it has meaning apart from being an insult.I don't see the point in going further with this honestly. You appear to see things concretely and I'm not even sure if you grasp the idea of subtext in language. The old expression "read between the lines". Anyways, I've beat this dead horse long enough.

If I called Sherman a dumba** knowing that he's a Stanford graduate, would that make me a racist? I know he's not a thug, but If I heard him yelling in an aggressive, angry manner, why is it assumed that I'm calling him that because he's black?.You think that when a white person says a black person sounds like a thug then it must have racial undertones, that sounds like a pretty stagnant viewpoint to me. And, yeah, I do understand subtext in language, I just don't think it should be assumed. Now that I know you will resort to insults, I think I'll disengage as well.

BTW, why no comment on the link I gave you? That was over 7,000,000 hits on Brady for his tirade with the refs. Not even close to Sherman, but then again, Brady didn't cry about being called a thug either.

I deleted my post actually because when I reread it it sounded insulting. Too slow obviously. In terms of the link you provided, it was a link to a google search? I randomly glanced at I think the 2nd on the list, read a few comments. Not sure specifically what you wanted me to see (and I didn't actually listen to what Brady said). One comment I read that caught my attention was-paraphrasing-if Cam Newton had said those things everyone would be calling him a thug. I'm not sure what point you're making, Brady not "crying" about being called a thug reinforces my point, not yours. I already addressed your point about calling Sherman a "dumb-###"-no, I would assume you were using it as a generic insult. But anyways, this is beating a dead horse at this point.

Eta: I just googled "Racial connotations of thug" - some interesting links that might shed some light on the origins of the word should you be interested. Apparently the origin of the word is Indian, when India was under British colonial rule. The word morphed from the original Indian word into "thug", used to describe "brown skinned" criminals. It was then appropriated by a segment of hip hop culture in the early 90's (paraphrasing what I read). This is vaguely what I mentioned earlier when I mentioned Tupac and "Thug Life". It seems to me that it does have racial undertones. I suppose you could argue intent and I'll just leave it at that.

 

[Hoodoo]

I deleted my post actually because when I reread it it sounded insulting. Too slow obviously. In terms of the link you provided, it was a link to a google search? I randomly glanced at I think the 2nd on the list, read a few comments. Not sure specifically what you wanted me to see (and I didn't actually listen to what Brady said). One comment I read that caught my attention was-paraphrasing-if Cam Newton had said those things everyone would be calling him a thug. I'm not sure what point you're making, Brady not "crying" about being called a thug reinforces my point, not yours. I already addressed your point about calling Sherman a "dumb-###"-no, I would assume you were using it as a generic insult. But anyways, this is beating a dead horse at this point.

No, it didn't sound insulting, it was insulting. It's cool though, it's a heated discussion about a touchy subject. It's tough to try to keep it civil when you get a little frustrated.

In the link for Brady, I saw numerous people calling him a thug for the way he acted towards the ref. You asked in your previous post "Where were all the people calling Brady a thug?" I just gave you 7,000,000 of them & you pick out the one that is saying "if it were Cam Newton...." I would have thought that many hits would have convinced you that he was, in fact, widely referred to as a thug. The point I made about Brady not crying was to explain the disparity between the number of hits you would get between searches of Brady & Sherman. Sherman made a big deal about being called a thug, therefore, much more hits.

 

[ghostguy123]

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

It's probably because the word thug is used different ways, some of which you apparently aren't aware of.

So you don't think that thug was used in the same context with Sherman vs Brady? You think that with Sherman it was mostly racial in nature whereas Brady it was not... Since Sherman is black, that is the most likely reason he was called a thug rather than the manner in which he presented himself...

Umm, yeah, that is kinda what we are talking about. And yes, that is why Sherman was called a thug.

Problem is, he isnt a thug nor was he acting like a thug, so the people using the word weren't even using it "appropriately" anyway.

But yeah, I think a pretty good % of the people calling Sherman a thug likely would not call him a thug if some white player did the exact same thing. You may have a few people call the white guy a thug, but not nearly as many as if the guy was black. Right or wrong, that is just the way it is.

 

[Hoodoo]

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

It's probably because the word thug is used different ways, some of which you apparently aren't aware of.

So you don't think that thug was used in the same context with Sherman vs Brady? You think that with Sherman it was mostly racial in nature whereas Brady it was not... Since Sherman is black, that is the most likely reason he was called a thug rather than the manner in which he presented himself...

Umm, yeah, that is kinda what we are talking about. And yes, that is why Sherman was called a thug.

Problem is, he isnt a thug nor was he acting like a thug, so the people using the word weren't even using it "appropriately" anyway.

But yeah, I think a pretty good % of the people calling Sherman a thug likely would not call him a thug if some white player did the exact same thing. You may have a few people call the white guy a thug, but not nearly as many as if the guy was black. Right or wrong, that is just the way it is.

I'm sorry you think that way, I truly am.

 

[ghostguy123]

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

It's probably because the word thug is used different ways, some of which you apparently aren't aware of.

So you don't think that thug was used in the same context with Sherman vs Brady? You think that with Sherman it was mostly racial in nature whereas Brady it was not... Since Sherman is black, that is the most likely reason he was called a thug rather than the manner in which he presented himself...

Umm, yeah, that is kinda what we are talking about. And yes, that is why Sherman was called a thug.

Problem is, he isnt a thug nor was he acting like a thug, so the people using the word weren't even using it "appropriately" anyway.

But yeah, I think a pretty good % of the people calling Sherman a thug likely would not call him a thug if some white player did the exact same thing. You may have a few people call the white guy a thug, but not nearly as many as if the guy was black. Right or wrong, that is just the way it is.

I'm sorry you think that way, I truly am.

Who says "I" think that way??

I am well aware that the Beatles are one of the greatest bands ever, but I don't personally like them at all.

I don't need to think a certain way to understand that other people are able to think that way.

You just haven't caught on yet that there are racial implications with the word in a lot of cases by a lot of people.

Done and done. Really cant go on with this anymore. This whole thread is just one big ball of offensive mumbo jumbo.

 

[monessen]

Sherman is a top corner, made a terrific play at the end of the NFC title game, and told the world a minute later he was the best corner in the NFL. Crabtree is mediocre, shouldn't test him, and shouldn't talk about him. Those were Sherman's words.

If Marshawn Lynch had run 40 yards for a TD in the last minute of the game, and yelled angrily at a national TV audience "I'm the best running back in the league, and San Francisco shouldn't send mediocre defenders to tackle me or even talk about me," Lynch would've sounded like a nut. The Seahawks won the game, a team win.

Richard Sherman, 6 days after the game, was still jabbering about race in an interview with Rachel Nichols. It's not about race. It's about arrogance, and self-obsession. Therefore, Sherman could be elected Mayor of Punk-ville.

 

[ghostguy123]

Sherman is a top corner, made a terrific play at the end of the NFC title game, and told the world a minute later he was the best corner in the NFL. Crabtree is mediocre, shouldn't test him, and shouldn't talk about him. Those were Sherman's words.

If Marshawn Lynch had run 40 yards for a TD in the last minute of the game, and yelled angrily at a national TV audience "I'm the best running back in the league, and San Francisco shouldn't send mediocre defenders to tackle me or even talk about me," Lynch would've sounded like a nut. The Seahawks won the game, a team win.

Richard Sherman, 6 days after the game, was still jabbering about race in an interview with Rachel Nichols. It's not about race. It's about arrogance, and self-obsession. Therefore, Sherman could be elected Mayor of Punk-ville.

So, in an interview Sherman is answering questions about one of the more talked about incidents in a while...................and that is considered "still jabbering"?

Key word there, an INTERVIEW. The things he was jabbering on about are the reasons he was interviewed in the first place.

 

[Hoodoo]

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

It's probably because the word thug is used different ways, some of which you apparently aren't aware of.

So you don't think that thug was used in the same context with Sherman vs Brady? You think that with Sherman it was mostly racial in nature whereas Brady it was not... Since Sherman is black, that is the most likely reason he was called a thug rather than the manner in which he presented himself...

Umm, yeah, that is kinda what we are talking about. And yes, that is why Sherman was called a thug.

Problem is, he isnt a thug nor was he acting like a thug, so the people using the word weren't even using it "appropriately" anyway.

But yeah, I think a pretty good % of the people calling Sherman a thug likely would not call him a thug if some white player did the exact same thing. You may have a few people call the white guy a thug, but not nearly as many as if the guy was black. Right or wrong, that is just the way it is.

I'm sorry you think that way, I truly am.

Who says "I" think that way??

I am well aware that the Beatles are one of the greatest bands ever, but I don't personally like them at all.

I don't need to think a certain way to understand that other people are able to think that way.

You just haven't caught on yet that there are racial implications with the word in a lot of cases by a lot of people.

Done and done. Really cant go on with this anymore. This whole thread is just one big ball of offensive mumbo jumbo.

See bolded above your post. I asked you if you thought a certain way & you agreed that you thought that way. I said that I was sorry that you thought that way.

Yeah, I do know that "thug" can be used racially. I'm saying that I don't think it was in Sherman's case, at least not by most people. I'm saying it had much more to do with the way he acted than the color of his skin and I just gave a very good example of a white player being called the same thing by a ton of people for basically acting the same way. Yet you STILL think that it had more to do with his skin color than the way he acted.

 

[monessen]

He seems like a guy who'd never say no to a camera and mic to promote himself.

Here's a novel idea. "Rachel, let's put that aside, and move on to talk about the Super Bowl. Too much of the post-game interview Sunday has been made of by me and the media."

 

[ghostguy123]

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

It's probably because the word thug is used different ways, some of which you apparently aren't aware of.

So you don't think that thug was used in the same context with Sherman vs Brady? You think that with Sherman it was mostly racial in nature whereas Brady it was not... Since Sherman is black, that is the most likely reason he was called a thug rather than the manner in which he presented himself...

Umm, yeah, that is kinda what we are talking about. And yes, that is why Sherman was called a thug.

Problem is, he isnt a thug nor was he acting like a thug, so the people using the word weren't even using it "appropriately" anyway.

But yeah, I think a pretty good % of the people calling Sherman a thug likely would not call him a thug if some white player did the exact same thing. You may have a few people call the white guy a thug, but not nearly as many as if the guy was black. Right or wrong, that is just the way it is.

I'm sorry you think that way, I truly am.

Who says "I" think that way??

I am well aware that the Beatles are one of the greatest bands ever, but I don't personally like them at all.

I don't need to think a certain way to understand that other people are able to think that way.

You just haven't caught on yet that there are racial implications with the word in a lot of cases by a lot of people.

Done and done. Really cant go on with this anymore. This whole thread is just one big ball of offensive mumbo jumbo.

See bolded above your post. I asked you if you thought a certain way & you agreed that you thought that way. I said that I was sorry that you thought that way.

Yeah, I do know that "thug" can be used racially. I'm saying that I don't think it was in Sherman's case, at least not by most people. I'm saying it had much more to do with the way he acted than the color of his skin and I just gave a very good example of a white player being called the same thing by a ton of people for basically acting the same way. Yet you STILL think that it had more to do with his skin color than the way he acted.

wow. I mean, wow.

It's almost like you are responding to completely different words than I typed.

later

 

[Hang 10]

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

It's probably because the word thug is used different ways, some of which you apparently aren't aware of.

But doesn't that sorta defeat the argument that people that called Sherman a thug are raycess?

 

[avoiding injuries]

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

It's probably because the word thug is used different ways, some of which you apparently aren't aware of.

So you don't think that thug was used in the same context with Sherman vs Brady? You think that with Sherman it was mostly racial in nature whereas Brady it was not... Since Sherman is black, that is the most likely reason he was called a thug rather than the manner in which he presented himself...

Umm, yeah, that is kinda what we are talking about. And yes, that is why Sherman was called a thug.

Problem is, he isnt a thug nor was he acting like a thug, so the people using the word weren't even using it "appropriately" anyway.

But yeah, I think a pretty good % of the people calling Sherman a thug likely would not call him a thug if some white player did the exact same thing. You may have a few people call the white guy a thug, but not nearly as many as if the guy was black. Right or wrong, that is just the way it is.

I'm sorry you think that way, I truly am.

Who says "I" think that way??

I am well aware that the Beatles are one of the greatest bands ever, but I don't personally like them at all.

I don't need to think a certain way to understand that other people are able to think that way.

You just haven't caught on yet that there are racial implications with the word in a lot of cases by a lot of people.

Done and done. Really cant go on with this anymore. This whole thread is just one big ball of offensive mumbo jumbo.

See bolded above your post. I asked you if you thought a certain way & you agreed that you thought that way. I said that I was sorry that you thought that way. Yeah, I do know that "thug" can be used racially. I'm saying that I don't think it was in Sherman's case, at least not by most people. I'm saying it had much more to do with the way he acted than the color of his skin and I just gave a very good example of a white player being called the same thing by a ton of people for basically acting the same way. Yet you STILL think that it had more to do with his skin color than the way he acted.

wow. I mean, wow.

It's almost like you are responding to completely different words than I typed.

later

???His response was straight forward, bolded for you and accurate.

 

[Hoodoo]

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

It's probably because the word thug is used different ways, some of which you apparently aren't aware of.

But doesn't that sorta defeat the argument that people that called Sherman a thug are raycess?

LOL, exactly.

 

[False Start]

Answer this, If the guy in that video is not a thug, If Brady is not a thug, then why were they called that? Is it because they were violent criminals? Is it because they are black?

It's probably because the word thug is used different ways, some of which you apparently aren't aware of.

But doesn't that sorta defeat the argument that people that called Sherman a thug are raycess?

LOL, exactly.

That sort of thing happens when you clearly have an agenda and no point. You lose track of what side you were arguing, I would say discussing, but this is clearly arguing. This stopped being a discussion a long time ago.

 

[The Kerminator]

Isn't the word thug used frequently in the NHL?

 

[Chaka]

We're now talking about the racial implications of the word "thug".

Richard Sherman wins again.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

There are some serious racists in here.

 

[False Start]

We're now talking about the racial implications of the word "thug".

Richard Sherman wins again.

I'm confused how discussing a word and its unfounded definition that it is a racial directed word is Sherman winning? People who were losing in their defense of Sherman were desperate and turned it to something else. Hardly Sherman winning and more of his supporters losing grip.

 

[General Tso]

We're now talking about the racial implications of the word "thug".

Richard Sherman wins again.

Sherman has lost in so many ways. He tarnished his image, embarrassed himself on national television, detracted from his teammates, and from a game standpoint put a huge target on Seattle's back and moved a large population of neutral fans into Denver's corner. He may have gained more notoriety and endorsement money in the short term but in the long run his brand, his causes, and is legacy will suffer. People dont want to associate themselves with someone so polarizing. And now he is trying to say that people describing him as a thug are racist? Great way to turn non-racists into racists.

Winner? Maybe on the football field, but even there the legitimacy of that accomplishment is called into question (steroids). In the game of life the guy appears to be a complete loser. A loudmouthed, insecure, ego-maniac. Once again, can't wait to see karma pay him a visit next Sunday.

 

[Chaka]