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Sherman is a tool (2 Viewers)

proninja said:
You know you're good when a WR decides that his 55 yard, no td performance is worth crowing about.
Allen is from Cal, Sherman is from Stanford.

Sherman is a tool who can't stop running his mouth (except when he loses).

The Chargers passed at will, and Sherman lost.

Of course there's going to be some smack talk.
Well Sherman is the best defensive back in the league and he's not facing charges like half your 49ers are. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
He's not the best DB on his team. So he doesn't have that going for him.
Thanks Jurbs, your opinion is always so valuable. :lmao:

Like your opinion that Megatron wasn't going to be very good because he wouldn't be able to get "separation" in the NFL.

Genius!

 
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proninja said:
You know you're good when a WR decides that his 55 yard, no td performance is worth crowing about.
Sherm is the best.

/thread
Maybe. But that's not what this thread is about.

He's also a tool.

And now, we know that he's also a phony and a coward. Ducking the media after yesterday's game? Says a lot about the guy. If you're gonna be a mouth after you win, be a man and answer the press after you get exposed.
Why do you think ITS likes him.

They are the same (though, one of them is a successful NFL player)

 
proninja said:
You know you're good when a WR decides that his 55 yard, no td performance is worth crowing about.
Allen is from Cal, Sherman is from Stanford.Sherman is a tool who can't stop running his mouth (except when he loses).

The Chargers passed at will, and Sherman lost.

Of course there's going to be some smack talk.
Well Sherman is the best defensive back in the league and he's not facing charges like half your 49ers are. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
He's not the best DB on his team. So he doesn't have that going for him.
Thanks Jurbs, your opinion is always so valuable. :lmao: Like your opinion that Megatron wasn't going to be very good because he wouldn't be able to get "separation" in the NFL.

Genius!
:lmao: you have to go back 8 years for any rebuttal... Which of course does nothing to address the point. Maybe you can log in with one of your other user names so we can have a real discussion. We know this one is for trolling.
 
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proninja said:
You know you're good when a WR decides that his 55 yard, no td performance is worth crowing about.
Allen is from Cal, Sherman is from Stanford.

Sherman is a tool who can't stop running his mouth (except when he loses).

The Chargers passed at will, and Sherman lost.

Of course there's going to be some smack talk.
Well Sherman is the best defensive back in the league and he's not facing charges like half your 49ers are. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
He's not the best DB on his team. So he doesn't have that going for him.
Thanks Jurbs, your opinion is always so valuable. :lmao:

Like your opinion that Megatron wasn't going to be very good because he wouldn't be able to get "separation" in the NFL.

Genius!
Id agree with him though. Thomas is the better DB IMO.

Both are great great players though.l

 
proninja said:
You know you're good when a WR decides that his 55 yard, no td performance is worth crowing about.
Allen is from Cal, Sherman is from Stanford.

Sherman is a tool who can't stop running his mouth (except when he loses).

The Chargers passed at will, and Sherman lost.

Of course there's going to be some smack talk.
Well Sherman is the best defensive back in the league and he's not facing charges like half your 49ers are. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
He's not the best DB on his team. So he doesn't have that going for him.
Thanks Jurbs, your opinion is always so valuable. :lmao:

Like your opinion that Megatron wasn't going to be very good because he wouldn't be able to get "separation" in the NFL.

Genius!
Id agree with him though. Thomas is the better DB IMO.

Both are great great players though.l
Right, it's an opinion. Jurbs is the guy who tries to pass opinion off as fact, he's been doing it for years here.

I said last year that Thomas was the most important player on the Seahawks, but that doesn't necessarily make him the best player.

 
proninja said:
You know you're good when a WR decides that his 55 yard, no td performance is worth crowing about.
Allen is from Cal, Sherman is from Stanford.

Sherman is a tool who can't stop running his mouth (except when he loses).

The Chargers passed at will, and Sherman lost.

Of course there's going to be some smack talk.
Well Sherman is the best defensive back in the league and he's not facing charges like half your 49ers are. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
He's not the best DB on his team. So he doesn't have that going for him.
Thanks Jurbs, your opinion is always so valuable. :lmao:

Like your opinion that Megatron wasn't going to be very good because he wouldn't be able to get "separation" in the NFL.

Genius!
Id agree with him though. Thomas is the better DB IMO.

Both are great great players though.l
Right, it's an opinion. Jurbs is the guy who tries to pass opinion off as fact, he's been doing it for years here.

I said last year that Thomas was the most important player on the Seahawks, but that doesn't necessarily make him the best player.
No more than you passed off calling Sherman the best DB in the league as a fact.

 
proninja said:
You know you're good when a WR decides that his 55 yard, no td performance is worth crowing about.
Allen is from Cal, Sherman is from Stanford.

Sherman is a tool who can't stop running his mouth (except when he loses).

The Chargers passed at will, and Sherman lost.

Of course there's going to be some smack talk.
Well Sherman is the best defensive back in the league and he's not facing charges like half your 49ers are. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
He's not the best DB on his team. So he doesn't have that going for him.
Thanks Jurbs, your opinion is always so valuable. :lmao:

Like your opinion that Megatron wasn't going to be very good because he wouldn't be able to get "separation" in the NFL.

Genius!
Id agree with him though. Thomas is the better DB IMO.

Both are great great players though.l
Right, it's an opinion. Jurbs is the guy who tries to pass opinion off as fact, he's been doing it for years here.

I said last year that Thomas was the most important player on the Seahawks, but that doesn't necessarily make him the best player.
No more than you passed off calling Sherman the best DB in the league as a fact.
I did not. Most people think Sherman is one of the two or three best corners in the league, it's an opinion that I think he's the best. See how that works?

 
Nope, I stand by my initial statement.

Plus this is a way better conversation than having to talk about why a bunch of jealous fans hate Sherman for one reason or the other. I just don't understand it at all. But Sherman loves people to hate him, it's his shtick. And he's making a ton of endorsement money off of it. :thumbup:

 
I actually like Sherman and find him quite entertaining. His shtick is funny if you ask me. Like I said, he's got a "brand" he's trying to protect. :shrug:

I just don't think he's either the best player in Sea secondary or the best CB in the league.

 
Classic bully. When things are going his way, can't shut him up. Seems indestructible. Hasn't seen a microphone he didn't like. Loves to go on TV. LOVES it.

Gets a little pop in the mouth, gets a little adversity, and runs and hides behind Twitter.

Yeah, tells you everything you need to know alright.

 
I think he's probably the best zone corner in the league. :shrug:

A cover three makes you drop hard and fast, and opens things up underneath for quick strikes. His instincts coupled with his size mean he's not very vulnerable there. Lots of picks, and enough size to stop anybody who does catch down there. He'll probably have to be a lot better at the tackling component this year, unless SEA finds a pass rush somewhere to replace the one they let get away. They can create it with LB's and S's, if the team they're playing can't punish them with the TE (as SD obviously did), but that's a lot less reliable than getting that push from the line. And already you can see teams adapting to that change.

Sherman was unquestionably the best zone corner in the league last year because SEA possessed the best zone in the league, and he was their best corner. This year, it remains to be seen if SEA's cover three can hold up without the pressure they used to generate. They're still awfully talented, so they'll probably look pretty awesome against most teams, but zones run into scheme problems in a hurry if all the parts aren't in synch. Sherman will probably see a lot more nights like last night than he did before. If he keeps stopping every short catch for very little gain, he'll be okay, and they'll be awesome again. If he gets forced to make adjustments, holes will open again (like last night), and either they'll struggle, or he'll have to show off his skills as a man corner more often. We'll see.

But through two games, he has yet to stop a pass directed his way. :oldunsure:

 
I think he's probably the best zone corner in the league. :shrug:

A cover three makes you drop hard and fast, and opens things up underneath for quick strikes. His instincts coupled with his size mean he's not very vulnerable there. Lots of picks, and enough size to stop anybody who does catch down there. He'll probably have to be a lot better at the tackling component this year, unless SEA finds a pass rush somewhere to replace the one they let get away. They can create it with LB's and S's, if the team they're playing can't punish them with the TE (as SD obviously did), but that's a lot less reliable than getting that push from the line. And already you can see teams adapting to that change.

Sherman was unquestionably the best zone corner in the league last year because SEA possessed the best zone in the league, and he was their best corner. This year, it remains to be seen if SEA's cover three can hold up without the pressure they used to generate. They're still awfully talented, so they'll probably look pretty awesome against most teams, but zones run into scheme problems in a hurry if all the parts aren't in synch. Sherman will probably see a lot more nights like last night than he did before. If he keeps stopping every short catch for very little gain, he'll be okay, and they'll be awesome again. If he gets forced to make adjustments, holes will open again (like last night), and either they'll struggle, or he'll have to show off his skills as a man corner more often. We'll see.

But through two games, he has yet to stop a pass directed his way. :oldunsure:
Good analysis, glad someone is more concerned with the actual game than with post game comments.

 
proninja said:
You know you're good when a WR decides that his 55 yard, no td performance is worth crowing about.
Allen is from Cal, Sherman is from Stanford.

Sherman is a tool who can't stop running his mouth (except when he loses).

The Chargers passed at will, and Sherman lost.

Of course there's going to be some smack talk.
Well Sherman is the best defensive back in the league and he's not facing charges like half your 49ers are. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
He's not the best DB on his team. So he doesn't have that going for him.
Thanks Jurbs, your opinion is always so valuable. :lmao: Like your opinion that Megatron wasn't going to be very good because he wouldn't be able to get "separation" in the NFL.

Genius!
Id agree with him though. Thomas is the better DB IMO.

Both are great great players though.l
Both are potential HOFers, given long term health.Peterson isn't on that trajectory, and he may not even end up being the best DB in AZ.

 
who is the most memorable/likeable/funny defensive player in the NFL? It seems like there are always guys like Suh, Bounty gate etc. Anyone you remember that was just a lighthearted stud?
I suspect most won't agree, but I loved Deion. He let you know in a harmless way that he'd shut you down, and then he shut you down.

Reggie White, too. No barking, no chest-pounding.... just sheer domination. J.J. Watt in modern times is a class act too.
Junior and Polamalu come to mind as well.
Sure, there were a ton of great defensive players who conducted themselves with class on the field. Bruce Smith, Darrell Green, Bob Lilly, Andre Tippett, Merlin Olsen, Derrick Brooks, Harry Carson, Howie Long, Mike Singletary, Joe Greene.... I could name 50 more if I had to. It's just that the clowns like Sherman really stand out.
:goodposting:
 
proninja said:
Sherman on Keenan Allen

"It'll probably be something he will tell his kids about. 'Remember that one game? Caught a few passes on Richard Sherman. Didn't score, but I caught a few'"
Yep, still a tool.

 
proninja said:
Sherman on Keenan Allen

"It'll probably be something he will tell his kids about. 'Remember that one game? Caught a few passes on Richard Sherman. Didn't score, but I caught a few'"
Yep, still a tool.
Well...I guess at the very least Allen doesn't have to explain to his kids how he ran away and hid like a p####y.

 
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I won't argue against the fact that he's talented. Best... not best.... whatever; he's up there with the best.

When he wins, he doesn't show class. When he loses, he doesn't show class. I guess we'll see how he handles things if he's involved with a tie... but I think I have an idea.

And no, bro, I'm not mad. Just disappointed.

 
Good LORD, I am sick of this ####ing guy. He's on every commercial and every pregame show. Go away!
That Campbell's soup commercial with his mom is pretty terrible. Aware this is likely to be a softball, but it makes Seattle fans look like fools.

I like him on the pregame shows though--he's a really smart guy and often more insightful than the people running the pregame show. Plus, get used to him: after his career I can guarantee you he's employed by one of those for a very long time. Smart, outspoken, and recognizable are too many traits for the TV execs to pass up.

 
Good LORD, I am sick of this ####ing guy. He's on every commercial and every pregame show. Go away!
That Campbell's soup commercial with his mom is pretty terrible. Aware this is likely to be a softball, but it makes Seattle fans look like fools.

I like him on the pregame shows though--he's a really smart guy and often more insightful than the people running the pregame show. Plus, get used to him: after his career I can guarantee you he's employed by one of those for a very long time. Smart, outspoken, and recognizable are too many traits for the TV execs to pass up.
I don't have to get used to anything. He is the reason God invented the remote control. :)

 
Good LORD, I am sick of this ####ing guy. He's on every commercial and every pregame show. Go away!
That Campbell's soup commercial with his mom is pretty terrible. Aware this is likely to be a softball, but it makes Seattle fans look like fools.

I like him on the pregame shows though--he's a really smart guy and often more insightful than the people running the pregame show. Plus, get used to him: after his career I can guarantee you he's employed by one of those for a very long time. Smart, outspoken, and recognizable are too many traits for the TV execs to pass up.
I don't have to get used to anything. He is the reason God invented the remote control. :)
Fair enough. I watch the pregames so as much as I agree you don't have to watch anything I do tend to always suffer through Michael Irvin or every QB who won a Super Bowl over 50 years in age.

 
I thought it was pretty classy when they talked about his response to being asked why he stays on the one side. He said "That's disrespectful to Maxwell."

Well played.

 
I thought it was pretty classy when they talked about his response to being asked why he stays on the one side. He said "That's disrespectful to Maxwell."

Well played.
"Because I'm a pure zone CB, and would get killed playing man all game against most good WR's." :shrug:

Sherm's still the best CB on SEA, but the holes in his game become a lot more obvious when all the pieces of the cover three aren't working in league-best order. Without as much pressure on the QB, a zone CB's job becomes a lot harder. FA was harder on that D than some saw coming.

 
Great to see Sherman getting tooled by another Golden Bear.
That wasn't his man.
Yes it was.
He switched with Chancellor at the snap. Sherman swooped inside to cover Paul while Chancellor followed Jackson to the outside. Once Sherman realized that Cousins escaped the pocket and was looking downfield to Jackson did Sherman leave Paul and headed back towards Jackson.
Sherman rolled inside because there was not immediate threat in his deep 3rd. Once the flat guy runs up field and down the sideline he is supposed to get back over the top and pass the other WR he drifted to help on totally over to the S in the middle 3rd.
 
Area51Inhabitant said:
jurb26 said:
Area51Inhabitant said:
CalBear said:
Great to see Sherman getting tooled by another Golden Bear.
That wasn't his man.
Yes it was.
He switched with Chancellor at the snap. Sherman swooped inside to cover Paul while Chancellor followed Jackson to the outside. Once Sherman realized that Cousins escaped the pocket and was looking downfield to Jackson did Sherman leave Paul and headed back towards Jackson.
There's no way Chancellor is going to be able to stay with Desean on a deep route when he (Chancellor) is moving towards the line and will have to turn to cover Jackson. Who is Thomas supposed to be covering? He's at deep safety 10 yards behind anyone; he could have covered the backup TE on the crossing pattern. Sherman blew the coverage.

 
Area51Inhabitant said:
jurb26 said:
Area51Inhabitant said:
CalBear said:
Great to see Sherman getting tooled by another Golden Bear.
That wasn't his man.
Yes it was.
He switched with Chancellor at the snap. Sherman swooped inside to cover Paul while Chancellor followed Jackson to the outside. Once Sherman realized that Cousins escaped the pocket and was looking downfield to Jackson did Sherman leave Paul and headed back towards Jackson.
There's no way Chancellor is going to be able to stay with Desean on a deep route when he (Chancellor) is moving towards the line and will have to turn to cover Jackson. Who is Thomas supposed to be covering? He's at deep safety 10 yards behind anyone; he could have covered the backup TE on the crossing pattern. Sherman blew the coverage.
Chanceller is in a trail position by design on that play because Sherman is supposed to be over top. He blew the coverage.
 
LOL, all you guys looking, begging, trying, grasping and reaching for anything that could or might show that Sherman is human, are really showing ineptness to understanding zone coverage. You do realize its not man to man, nor is it cover-2, nor is it designed help from over top (wtf???). Corners who line up on the line are now support over the top?

Quit grasping, he is ALL THAT. live with it, your QB has to.

 
LOL, all you guys looking, begging, trying, grasping and reaching for anything that could or might show that Sherman is human, are really showing ineptness to understanding zone coverage. You do realize its not man to man, nor is it cover-2, nor is it designed help from over top (wtf???). Corners who line up on the line are now support over the top?

Quit grasping, he is ALL THAT. live with it, your QB has to.
:lmao:
 


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JP Finlay@JPFinlayCSN

Richard Sherman on Pierre Garçon, "Pierre doesn't matter in this league." Asked to clarify, Sherman says "I mean exactly what I said."
This is the sort of thing classless people do and fans of classless people love to champion. He's a classic love/hate guy. Dennis Rodmanesque. Somehow he gets a pass because he's a highly marketable, smart, black man, to be sure, but mostly because he's mastered the fine art of publicity. He's also made sure to really exploit the "poor kid makes good" angle. He'd be welcomed on my football team, but I wouldn't want my kids to be a fan of his.

 
Chanceller is in a trail position by design on that play because Sherman is supposed to be over top. He blew the coverage.
I agree with you here that Sherman got beat. Blown coverage is a bit of a embellishment, really what happened was Sherman simply beat by Jackson speed. However you want to describe it, he gave up the TD plain and simple. It happens to every CB in the game, just quite a bit less to Sherman than others.

In comparison, how are the CB's that you ranked above Sherman doing this year or even last game? I believe they were Haden and Peterson? How would you rank their performance this year based on what you have seen?

As for the Garcon stuff, if you watched the game you would have seen how cheap Garcon was all game, literally talking smack every opportunity he got. For a guy whose two most noticeable plays were an uncalled facemask and pulling Sherman down by his hair, he sure did talk a lot. Sherman eats those type of people up on and off the field. If you don't like it, don't tune in.

 
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Area51Inhabitant said:
jurb26 said:
Area51Inhabitant said:
CalBear said:
Great to see Sherman getting tooled by another Golden Bear.
That wasn't his man.
Yes it was.
He switched with Chancellor at the snap. Sherman swooped inside to cover Paul while Chancellor followed Jackson to the outside. Once Sherman realized that Cousins escaped the pocket and was looking downfield to Jackson did Sherman leave Paul and headed back towards Jackson.
There's no way Chancellor is going to be able to stay with Desean on a deep route when he (Chancellor) is moving towards the line and will have to turn to cover Jackson. Who is Thomas supposed to be covering? He's at deep safety 10 yards behind anyone; he could have covered the backup TE on the crossing pattern. Sherman blew the coverage.
Chanceller is in a trail position by design on that play because Sherman is supposed to be over top. He blew the coverage.
Correct. It was Sherman's deep 3rd and he had the deep responsibility. The problem with that coverage is he's still very new to it (I don't remember seeing him in it before) and he's obviously nowhere near as fast as Earl Thomas. But yeah, this was certainly on Sherman. But being this was a very new role I don't know that it means much of anything.

 

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