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You tell me what I said that is wild speculation. I make no claim to any knowledge whatsoever. I listed three possibilities, and of the three, I sincerely hope that it's #3, meaning that Islam or Islamic beliefs have NOTHING to do with this. But since we've been given an Islamic name, since it is known that he was angry over deployment to Iraq, I don't think it's likely that it's unrelated. We'll have to wait and see.
Or maybe they served him pork chops in the chow line.
My point is that none of us has any idea of what went on. I just don't understand the point of speculating other than to serve as something to argue about or to look back at later.
All of it. You're guessing. No point in even discussing your list. "We'll have to wait and see." Exactly
If you disagree with my comments, then say so and explain why. You needn't insult me. You do that a lot. There's no reason to be rude to me or anyone else here.
What exactly are you talking about? It would seem unlikely that a guy would rise to the level of Major (which takes the better part of a decade plus making it through up or out promotions) just to launch some kind of attack.
From the CNN article I was just reading.....
I'm not guessing at all. I said either this is related to terrorism and/or Islam, or it is not. I've made no conclusions. But I do think it's worth discussing that, per ABC, this man is a recent convert to Islam, and that he was reportedly angry about deployment to the Middle East. ABC also reports that he was hostile to the whole idea of American involvement in the Middle East.
What does this mean? I'm only speaking from perspective, I've deployed and been associated with the military for an awfully long time. I also have worked this stuff all day for internal communications. I just don't appreciate the wild speculation.
When you start saying idiotic things, there is plenty of reason to be rude.
Thanks for the update.
"12 soldiers dead, 31 wounded in bloody Afghanistan attack"/CNNThey just said that all those that were targeted were about to be deployed to the Middle East.
In that case, don't be surprised if people insult you on a regular basis.
Yes, they've been reporting this on CNN for a while, but given how far off base they were with Balloon Boy, I hate to post anything they report.
Horrible."12 soldiers dead, 31 wounded in bloody Afghanistan attack"/CNNThey just said that all those that were targeted were about to be deployed to the Middle East.
Yes. Red Cross makes all the notifications and provides a ton of assistance in times of tradgedy. The people who really help are here. If you want to donate money to help soldiers and their families, donate to them.
Families probably haven't even been notified of deaths yet. It's not something that happens in minutes.
If he was hostile about the idea of American involvement in the Middle East, why stay in the military? Why join at all? Not that I expect a person capable of this heinous crime to possess reasonable thought...
With the media's recent track record, I'm still hoping none of this actually happened.
Come on, you have to take anything thats reported right now as highly speculative. Most of what we "know" about Columbine (they were bullied loners, asked people if they believed in God right before they capped them, etc) turned out to be completely made up.
Thanks. I just made a donation to Army Emergency Relief, thanks to you.
Honestly I've posted here long enough to know something of your background and I acutally appreciate your persepctive in threads like this. I don't care for the wild speculation either. I just think there's a time for the 'you don't know what I know' and this isn't it, in my opinion. I'd like to think that this is one of those situations where we can sift through the BS together and have civil discourse as to what the hell is going on. And if I think you can add valid perspective in here, I'm sure others do as well.
I agree. But that doesn't mean it's not worth discussing. This is a discussion board. This is not an angry mob in front of a mosque or something. We can have a discussion, speculate about events, discuss their liklihood. We can do it civilly without throwing insults at each other. That's all I'm doing. I think it's likelier than not that there was a motive here related to someone's misapplication of Islamic beliefs. I hope I'm wrong.
It was a Cessna...wait, a larger aircraft that malfunctioned....wait, a commercial jet that was way off course...two planes? What?
Gotcha. I erased that one post, was pretty dumb. I'm just frustrated because I'm trying to get all the info before the external media and I have two people there at Fort Hood helping but I'm still waiting. Gonna be a long night.
A major with a Muslim name who is now a mass murderer - allegedly. To coin a God-awful phrase, "it is what it is." Again, I can't wait to see how they spin it. I've already heard on national radio (conservative) that the FBI is saying 'not to worry, this is not a terrorist act.' I do not have a link, sorry.
Add me to the list of people who think DD's perspective on this is invaluable.
Absolutely understood.
They are saying there might be video from inside during the shootings if anyone was filming any ceremonies. Is that true?The new video was shot 10 minutes after the shootings. My good buddy shot it and I made fun of him for it being so shaky. He noted that they were taking cover from the second shooter.
I'm one of your fans here. But on this subject, I'm starting to think you've lost it. No one in this thread but you is speculating this was motivated by religious beliefs, and yet you're now posting the counterpoint to your own speculation?ETA: While I was typing, jonessed joined your group of speculators. Still, this whole internal dialogue you're playing out in the thread strikes me as very odd, GB.
It's going to be real interesting to see the outpouring of cash and stuff that this gets versus the dozen plus that died just last week in a helicopter crash, but that happened over there so it doesn't mean as much.
Why do you insist on talking to people like they are children or have some lowbrow global understanding?
Everything I have heard is one confirmed shooter. The two guys under custody can be under custody for many reasons without direct involvement.
And he was an MD which means he had less time in the Army than a normal Major, so I was wrong about that. No one really knows what's going on right now.
The voices in his head have differing opinions on this.
You're just about the only person in this thread that has suggested the motive behind this has something to do with Islam."Somebody stole my bike. I'm going to guess it was a black guy. But just remember there are a lot of good black people out there."
for some reason, I read Tim's posts imagining the voice of Clark Griswold.. strange
My friend says no.They are saying there might be video from inside during the shootings if anyone was filming any ceremonies. Is that true?The new video was shot 10 minutes after the shootings. My good buddy shot it and I made fun of him for it being so shaky. He noted that they were taking cover from the second shooter.
