Shooting at Ft. Hood (1 Viewer)

[Doctor Detroit]

One of my good buddies is running interference, he was the Sgt Major interviewed by FOX News. 12 dead and 31 wounded but it is a real bad scene. All the video of the on-scene stuff should be coming in about 45 minutes to an hour. Mess

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Well Obama doesn't know anymore than the rest of us. Or Obama is waiting to make sure everything is secure. I wonder if other bases are on "lockdown" or "alert" status?

 

[TommyGilmore]

Couple of news sources saying that one of the shooters had an arabic "sounding" last name

Klinger

:spittake:

 

[culdeus]

Oh great. Lets put Perry all over the news. At least Obama knew enough to get on TV ahead of him.

 

[Bogart]

My brother had an appointment at Ft. Hood, first thing tomorrow morning. He said it just as easily could have been today.

Super scary thoughts.

 

[Fennis]

The confirmed shooter is a soldier. Two other soldiers in custody.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

One of my good buddies is running interference, he was the Sgt Major interviewed by FOX News. 12 dead and 31 wounded but it is a real bad scene. All the video of the on-scene stuff should be coming in about 45 minutes to an hour. Mess

Terribly sad and shocking.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Theyve arrested terrorists in the past who have planned to shoot up army bases. Sounds like some slipped thru the cracks

 

[culdeus]

My brother had an appointment at Ft. Hood, first thing tomorrow morning. He said it just as easily could have been today.Super scary thoughts.

These are always the oddest posts in these type of threads. Well I was at the WTC a year ago so wow this hits home much more....

 

[pantagrapher]

I don't understand the utility of reporting that one individual has an "arabic sounding" name.

If it turns out to be both accurate and relevant, then it is good reporting. If not, then I agree with you.

Is it just me or has that detail been wiped from the story?link

 

[Fennis]

I don't understand the utility of reporting that one individual has an "arabic sounding" name.

If it turns out to be both accurate and relevant, then it is good reporting. If not, then I agree with you.

Is it just me or has that detail been wiped from the story?link

no surprise

 

[jonm8]

I don't understand the utility of reporting that one individual has an "arabic sounding" name.

If it turns out to be both accurate and relevant, then it is good reporting. If not, then I agree with you.

Is it just me or has that detail been wiped from the story?link

I also find it odd that the first thing they always do is rule of terrorism.

 

[Mrs. BSR]

Well Obama doesn't know anymore than the rest of us. Or Obama is waiting to make sure everything is secure. I wonder if other bases are on "lockdown" or "alert" status?

Maybe in that state but not in others. Our daughter is on base in Florida and she said they weren't on high alert or anything.

 

[pantagrapher]

I don't understand the utility of reporting that one individual has an "arabic sounding" name.

If it turns out to be both accurate and relevant, then it is good reporting. If not, then I agree with you.

Is it just me or has that detail been wiped from the story?link

I also find it odd that the first thing they always do is rule of terrorism.

"They"?"Always"?

And where does it say anyone "ruled out" terrorism?

 

[Mrs. BSR]

And where does it say anyone "ruled out" terrorism?

I could be wrong but I think the woman on CNN just said that.

 

[timschochet]

Just heard the name on the radio. It is a Pakistani name, per the news.

 

[Gachi]

It's all over the news here in Texas, (obviously). Now they're saying the dude was a recent muslim convert...

 

[Fennis]

Major Malik Assan (sp?) is the primary shooter.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

If there were two shooters, it could be a "disturbed buddy" scenario. If it turns out there are three or more, one would have to suspect some form of politically motivated terrorism, whether foreign or domestic.

IMO, I don't think foreign terrorists would attack a US military base. I don't know what that would accomplish.

As opposed to . . . ?I mean, they've got deaths of the very infidels they accuse of murdering Muslims and a shocking set of headlines, so what's not to like about this sort of thing if you can pull it off?

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Major Malik Assan (sp?) is the primary shooter.

I cannot wait to hear how they spin this.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Just heard the name on the radio. It is a Pakistani name, per the news.

Major Malik Nadal Hasan, Major, US Army

 

[Fennis]

If there were two shooters, it could be a "disturbed buddy" scenario. If it turns out there are three or more, one would have to suspect some form of politically motivated terrorism, whether foreign or domestic.

IMO, I don't think foreign terrorists would attack a US military base. I don't know what that would accomplish.

As opposed to . . . ?I mean, they've got deaths of the very infidels they accuse of murdering Muslims and a shocking set of headlines, so what's not to like about this sort of thing if you can pull it off?

I would expect that foreign terrorists would attack civilian targets, and create you know... terror.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Well at least Fox is holding back the name. Thumbs up to FOX not giving out the name until positive.

 

[Fennis]

Major Malik Assan (sp?) is the primary shooter.

I cannot wait to hear how they spin this.

He is a major. Not sure what spin you are expecting.

 

[pantagrapher]

And where does it say anyone "ruled out" terrorism?

I could be wrong but I think the woman on CNN just said that.

I'm gonna go ahead and guess you're wrong.

 

[timschochet]

This isn't good. Among other things, this may be a terrible day for Arab-Americans. I really hope this is not an act of terrorism. I very much fear it is, though.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

If there were two shooters, it could be a "disturbed buddy" scenario. If it turns out there are three or more, one would have to suspect some form of politically motivated terrorism, whether foreign or domestic.

IMO, I don't think foreign terrorists would attack a US military base. I don't know what that would accomplish.

As opposed to . . . ?I mean, they've got deaths of the very infidels they accuse of murdering Muslims and a shocking set of headlines, so what's not to like about this sort of thing if you can pull it off?

I would expect that foreign terrorists would attack civilian targets, and create you know... terror.

I'm not saying this is what happened here (and early reports in fact suggest otherwise) but I don't see how pulling off a terrorist attack on a major, domestic military base wouldn't cause civilian terror, do you?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Major Malik Assan (sp?) is the primary shooter.

I cannot wait to hear how they spin this.

He is a major. Not sure what spin you are expecting.

Maybe he got served pork chops at the chow hall.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

This isn't good. Among other things, this may be a terrible day for Arab-Americans. I really hope this is not an act of terrorism. I very much fear it is, though.

Pakistani <> Arab

 

[Fennis]

Major Malik Assan (sp?) is the primary shooter.

I cannot wait to hear how they spin this.

He is a major. Not sure what spin you are expecting.

Maybe he got served pork chops at the chow hall.

http://twitter.com/GartensteinRoss/statuses/5461627682

ABC's Brian Ross: Shooter identified as Maj Malik Hassan, convert to Islam.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Official IDs a shooter as Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan

 

[timschochet]

Three possibilities:

1. This is a planned attack by a terrorist group, with the aid of an American officer who has converted to radical Islam.

2. This was a crazy act by a few radical Islamists, acting on their own but in the name of Islam, but not connected to any international terrorist group. And one of the radical Islamists is an American officer.

3. None of this has anything to do with Islam or the Middle East; it is a horrific act which is unrelated.

Of the three possibilities, based on the limited information we have, I think #2 is most likely. Major Hassan, per reports, expressed anger over a recent deployment in Afghanistan.

 

[Fennis]

If there were two shooters, it could be a "disturbed buddy" scenario. If it turns out there are three or more, one would have to suspect some form of politically motivated terrorism, whether foreign or domestic.

IMO, I don't think foreign terrorists would attack a US military base. I don't know what that would accomplish.

As opposed to . . . ?I mean, they've got deaths of the very infidels they accuse of murdering Muslims and a shocking set of headlines, so what's not to like about this sort of thing if you can pull it off?

I would expect that foreign terrorists would attack civilian targets, and create you know... terror.

I'm not saying this is what happened here (and early reports in fact suggest otherwise) but I don't see how pulling off a terrorist attack on a major, domestic military base wouldn't cause civilian terror, do you?

OK, I'll put it this way, it is certainly possible that foreign terrorists could attack a US military base. However, attacking civilian targets would appear to be more in align with their goals.

 

[E Street Brat]

If there were two shooters, it could be a "disturbed buddy" scenario. If it turns out there are three or more, one would have to suspect some form of politically motivated terrorism, whether foreign or domestic.

IMO, I don't think foreign terrorists would attack a US military base. I don't know what that would accomplish.

As opposed to . . . ?I mean, they've got deaths of the very infidels they accuse of murdering Muslims and a shocking set of headlines, so what's not to like about this sort of thing if you can pull it off?

I would expect that foreign terrorists would attack civilian targets, and create you know... terror.

The Pentagon and USS Cole were military targets.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

http://twitter.com/GartensteinRoss/statuses/5461627682

ABC's Brian Ross: Shooter identified as Maj Malik Hassan, convert to Islam.

Posted that like 10 minutes ago.

 

[Dexter Manley]

If there were two shooters, it could be a "disturbed buddy" scenario. If it turns out there are three or more, one would have to suspect some form of politically motivated terrorism, whether foreign or domestic.

IMO, I don't think foreign terrorists would attack a US military base. I don't know what that would accomplish.

As opposed to . . . ?I mean, they've got deaths of the very infidels they accuse of murdering Muslims and a shocking set of headlines, so what's not to like about this sort of thing if you can pull it off?

I would expect that foreign terrorists would attack civilian targets, and create you know... terror.

I'm not saying this is what happened here (and early reports in fact suggest otherwise) but I don't see how pulling off a terrorist attack on a major, domestic military base wouldn't cause civilian terror, do you?

If they purposely went after civilian targets on base, then sure, that would create a significant amount of terror. If they targeted soldiers, then not so much.Think about that scene in the Dark Knight with the Joker and Harvey. If a bunch of soldiers are killed, there's no panic, and unfortunately a lot of people just don't care. If regular people like you and me are targeted (think the DC sniper, Va. Tech mass murders, etc.) people go bezerker.

 

[Mrs. BSR]

And where does it say anyone "ruled out" terrorism?

I could be wrong but I think the woman on CNN just said that.

I'm gonna go ahead and guess you're wrong.

That was what she said although I can't see how they could determine that right now. Maybe she misspoke. Either way, it's a very sad day.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

http://twitter.com/GartensteinRoss/statuses/5461627682

ABC's Brian Ross: Shooter identified as Maj Malik Hassan, convert to Islam.

This is starting to sound a little like the Hasan Akbar case, though that case didn't have multiple attackers.

 

[Mrs. BSR]

Some of these guys that were killed had just received their deployment papers.

 

[Corporation]

I have a friend that arrived at Fort Hood yesterday. Spoke with him and he's okay but shaken up. He can not account for everyone in his squad yet. They are being deployed to Afghanistan for a year.

Thoughts and prayers for all our troops but especially these right now.

 

[Fennis]

http://twitter.com/GartensteinRoss/statuses/5461627682

ABC's Brian Ross: Shooter identified as Maj Malik Hassan, convert to Islam.

This is starting to sound a little like the Hasan Akbar case, though that case didn't have multiple attackers.

So far (to your earlier point on the thread), there is only one confirmed shooter. I don't believe they have confirmed additional shooters at this point. Two other soldiers are in custody.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Three possibilities:1. This is a planned attack by a terrorist group, with the aid of an American officer who has converted to radical Islam.2. This was a crazy act by a few radical Islamists, acting on their own but in the name of Islam, but not connected to any international terrorist group. And one of the radical Islamists is an American officer. 3. None of this has anything to do with Islam or the Middle East; it is a horrific act which is unrelated.Of the three possibilities, based on the limited information we have, I think #2 is most likely. Major Hassan, per reports, expressed anger over a recent deployment in Afghanistan.

You have no idea what happened and since all these suspects are active duty soldiers, what you are suggesting would be unprecedented. It's too bad you are ready to blame Islam for a shooting without knowing anything else, it's very possible it could just be a coincidence. If three guys wanted to do real damage on this kind of installation, a lot more people would have died. They might have been scheduled to deploy and simply did not want to go for more than just religious reasons. Also it's not #1.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Major Malik Assan (sp?) is the primary shooter.

I cannot wait to hear how they spin this.

He is a major. Not sure what spin you are expecting.

That's a pretty good start.

 

[RudiStein]

There's more wild "I'm just going to say some crap so that later on I can say 'I knew it'" speculation in this thread than the entire first page of the Shark Pool.

Yes, Tim...I am looking at you.

 

[Mrs. BSR]

At least one of the hospitals that have taken in the wounded are now urgently asking for blood donations.

 

[timschochet]

Three possibilities:1. This is a planned attack by a terrorist group, with the aid of an American officer who has converted to radical Islam.2. This was a crazy act by a few radical Islamists, acting on their own but in the name of Islam, but not connected to any international terrorist group. And one of the radical Islamists is an American officer. 3. None of this has anything to do with Islam or the Middle East; it is a horrific act which is unrelated.Of the three possibilities, based on the limited information we have, I think #2 is most likely. Major Hassan, per reports, expressed anger over a recent deployment in Afghanistan.

You have no idea what happened and since all these suspects are active duty soldiers, what you are suggesting would be unprecedented. It's too bad you are ready to blame Islam for a shooting without knowing anything else, it's very possible it could just be a coincidence. If three guys wanted to do real damage on this kind of installation, a lot more people would have died. They might have been scheduled to deploy and simply did not want to go for more than just religious reasons. Also it's not #1.

You say I have no idea what's happening and that's true, but neither do you. So how can you rule out #1? I agree I don't think it's likely. But I don't think it's likely either that we're dealing with an Islamic name, yet that Islam is not somehow involved. I'm not ready to blame anyone yet. But I do think that #2 is more likely than #1 or #3, which is all I'm saying.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

There's more wild "I'm just going to say some crap so that later on I can say 'I knew it'" speculation in this thread than the entire first page of the Shark Pool.Yes, Tim...I am looking at you.

Yeah it's pretty awful. If you are familiar with the military it sounds a lot like someone who didn't want to deploy again. Maybe people could think for themselves and realize some of these guys have been on two, three, and six tours away from their families for 6 to 12 months at a time. It's a tough living, people get crazy. Add in all the stuff you see in war and there is an awful lot of unhealthy feelings going on in people. But just saying it was probably some crazy Muslims is easier for us to digest and explain so let's just go that route. Can't hurt can it?

 

[E Street Brat]

Three possibilities:

1. This is a planned attack by a terrorist group, with the aid of an American officer who has converted to radical Islam.

2. This was a crazy act by a few radical Islamists, acting on their own but in the name of Islam, but not connected to any international terrorist group. And one of the radical Islamists is an American officer.

3. None of this has anything to do with Islam or the Middle East; it is a horrific act which is unrelated.

Of the three possibilities, based on the limited information we have, I think #2 is most likely. Major Hassan, per reports, expressed anger over a recent deployment in Afghanistan.

You have no idea what happened and since all these suspects are active duty soldiers, what you are suggesting would be unprecedented. It's too bad you are ready to blame Islam for a shooting without knowing anything else, it's very possible it could just be a coincidence. If three guys wanted to do real damage on this kind of installation, a lot more people would have died. They might have been scheduled to deploy and simply did not want to go for more than just religious reasons. Also it's not #1.

Not so fastMonday, March 24, 2003

FORT CAMPBELL, Ky. — A sergeant accused of killing a fellow serviceman by throwing grenades into tents at a military command center in Kuwait told his mother he feared persecution because he is a Muslim and reportedly had recently been reprimanded for insubordination.

Sgt. Asan Akbar of the 101st Airborne Division's 326th Engineer Battalion was in custody, said George Heath, a civilian spokesman at Fort Campbell. Heath said Akbar had not been charged with a crime but was the only person being questioned in the attack that also wounded 15 other soldiers Sunday, three seriously.

Jim Lacey, a correspondent for Time magazine, said in a television news broadcast that military criminal investigators said Akbar was recently reprimanded for insubordination and was told he would not join his unit's push into Iraq.

Heath also said Akbar had been having "an attitude problem."

The motive in the attack "most likely was resentment," said Max Blumenfeld, another U.S. Army spokesman.

The Army identified the dead soldier as Capt. Christopher Scott Seifert, 27, of Easton, Pa. Heath said Seifert was married. A spokesman for Seifert's mother and father -- Thomas and Helen Seifert, also of Easton -- said the family would not immediately speak with reporters.

Link

 

[Fennis]

Major Malik Assan (sp?) is the primary shooter.

I cannot wait to hear how they spin this.

He is a major. Not sure what spin you are expecting.

That's a pretty good start.

how is that spin?

 

[SKribbles]

This isn't good. Among other things, this may be a terrible day for Arab-Americans. I really hope this is not an act of terrorism. I very much fear it is, though.

Please pull your head out of your ###.