Shooting at Ft. Hood (2 Viewers)

[Mrs. BSR]

Back to what I felt this thread was about:

Victims

The woman in this article, Velez, who was killed, was friends with my friend I mentioned earlier in this thread who gave us information in the beginning. This woman was pregnant and had just gotten back from her tour in Iraq. My friend told us yesterday about it but we couldn't say anything until today I guess. Very sad. May she and her unborn baby RIP.

 

[TxBuckeye]

I really think the FFA has crossed the line with me because of this thread. I'll never get what sort of personal satisfaction people get by messing with threads like this and getting good people (Dr. Detroit) banned because of their actions. It's too sad and pathetic to even comprehend, and the fact that Joe and Co. do little more than give a slap on the wrist to these people is enough to make me want to throw up at times.

I guess I'm with Aaron on this. Can you please cut and paste the post you're talking about? J

I think I reported 17 posts from page 7 alone today trying to get you guys to cut out the spew of RBM, SKribbles, Rag and others that have been completely garbaging up this thread. I guess that was to subtle.

 

[Walton Goggins]

I really think the FFA has crossed the line with me because of this thread. I'll never get what sort of personal satisfaction people get by messing with threads like this and getting good people (Dr. Detroit) banned because of their actions. It's too sad and pathetic to even comprehend, and the fact that Joe and Co. do little more than give a slap on the wrist to these people is enough to make me want to throw up at times.

I guess I'm with Aaron on this. Can you please cut and paste the post you're talking about? J

What did Double D do to get banned?

 

[beer 30]

I haven't followed this thread because, well, there just can't be a decent discussion around here anymore before it's a race to see who can derail the thread first but knowing Doctor Detroit a little, for him to get banned in a thread like this. . .it seems the FFA has hit a new high in low. The man is a veteran who has seen more and done more than most all of you to give you the very ability to be #######s to one another. Nice job

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I haven't followed this thread because, well, there just can't be a decent discussion around here anymore before it's a race to see who can derail the thread first but knowing Doctor Detroit a little, for him to get banned in a thread like this. . .it seems the FFA has hit a new high in low. The man is a veteran who has seen more and done more than most all of you to give you the very ability to be #######s to one another. Nice job

he's not banned. looks like he'll be back tomorrow.for the record, his brief suspension was for laying into Brutis/Peens, another military guy who probably won't be back here for awhile. If I know DrD at all, I don't think he'll mind taking a day off.

 

[beer 30]

I haven't followed this thread because, well, there just can't be a decent discussion around here anymore before it's a race to see who can derail the thread first but knowing Doctor Detroit a little, for him to get banned in a thread like this. . .it seems the FFA has hit a new high in low. The man is a veteran who has seen more and done more than most all of you to give you the very ability to be #######s to one another. Nice job

he's not banned. looks like he'll be back tomorrow.for the record, his brief suspension was for laying into Brutis/Peens, another military guy who probably won't be back here for awhile. If I know DrD at all, I don't think he'll mind taking a day off.

Good to know Aaron, thanks. The world is a better place.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

I haven't followed this thread because, well, there just can't be a decent discussion around here anymore before it's a race to see who can derail the thread first but knowing Doctor Detroit a little, for him to get banned in a thread like this. . .it seems the FFA has hit a new high in low. The man is a veteran who has seen more and done more than most all of you to give you the very ability to be #######s to one another. Nice job

he's not banned. looks like he'll be back tomorrow.for the record, his brief suspension was for laying into Brutis/Peens, another military guy who probably won't be back here for awhile. If I know DrD at all, I don't think he'll mind taking a day off.

Good to know Aaron, thanks. The world is a better place.

 

[IGKYA!!!]

Muslim terrorism, hands down.

 

[FavreCo]

Apparently you people think this was just some random kook going nuts. Think again. Sad to see that your blinders are on full screen.

enlighten us

You are being elightened right now if you are listening to the investigation.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Apparently you people think this was just some random kook going nuts. Think again. Sad to see that your blinders are on full screen.

enlighten us

You are being elightened right now if you are listening to the investigation.

how so?

 

[FavreCo]

Apparently you people think this was just some random kook going nuts. Think again. Sad to see that your blinders are on full screen.

enlighten us

You are being elightened right now if you are listening to the investigation.

how so?

Apparently you aren't digesting what has come out so far. Couple of tidbits from tonight:'Used neighbor's computer when he had one himself' (they will find stuff on that computer).'Red flags pointed out for years by associates.''Some dude dressed as a muslim visited him the day before the shootings and according to a neighbor, that was the only time he saw anyone at this guy's place.' See I can put this together that this guy was a terrorist committing a terrorist act. I guess you can't.You have to be able to watch the news and comprehend the info to be enlightened.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Apparently you people think this was just some random kook going nuts. Think again. Sad to see that your blinders are on full screen.

enlighten us

You are being elightened right now if you are listening to the investigation.

how so?

Apparently you aren't digesting what has come out so far. Couple of tidbits from tonight:'Used neighbor's computer when he had one himself' (they will find stuff on that computer).'Red flags pointed out for years by associates.''Some dude dressed as a muslim visited him the day before the shootings and according to a neighbor, that was the only time he saw anyone at this guy's place.' See I can put this together that this guy was a terrorist committing a terrorist act. I guess you can't.You have to be able to watch the news and comprehend the info to be enlightened.

hadn't heard most of that stuff. thanks.but when you said we shouldn't allow "these people" anywhere near a gun, it wasn't clear who you were referring to.

 

[FavreCo]

hadn't heard most of that stuff. thanks.but when you said we shouldn't allow "these people" anywhere near a gun, it wasn't clear who you were referring to.

radicals. This guy was a flipping red flag special and they knew it.Add in 'he was praising suicide bombers on the internet.'

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Apparently you people think this was just some random kook going nuts. Think again. Sad to see that your blinders are on full screen.

enlighten us

You are being elightened right now if you are listening to the investigation.

how so?

Apparently you aren't digesting what has come out so far. Couple of tidbits from tonight:'Used neighbor's computer when he had one himself' (they will find stuff on that computer).'Red flags pointed out for years by associates.''Some dude dressed as a muslim visited him the day before the shootings and according to a neighbor, that was the only time he saw anyone at this guy's place.' See I can put this together that this guy was a terrorist committing a terrorist act. I guess you can't.You have to be able to watch the news and comprehend the info to be enlightened.

If this were a terrorist attack then why was he drawing attention to himself by trying to get out of the Army? Why would there be reports of him being harassed? If it was all a scheme to make the infidels pay, wouldn't he try to be less conspicuous?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

'Some dude dressed as a muslim visited him the day before the shootings and according to a neighbor, that was the only time he saw anyone at this guy's place.'

How do you dress as a muslim?

 

[johnnycakes]

'Some dude dressed as a muslim visited him the day before the shootings and according to a neighbor, that was the only time he saw anyone at this guy's place.'

How do you dress as a muslim?

1. Get picnic basket towel.2. Put on head.

 

[jon_mx]

Obama and the media validates this guys beliefs everyday. The media loves to point at Rush Limbaugh's 'hate speech', but the rhetoric from the left is far more dangerous.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Obama and the media validates this guys beliefs everyday. The media loves to point at Rush Limbaugh's 'hate speech', but the rhetoric from the left is far more dangerous.

Just stop. When will people learn that arguing about the left and the right accomplishes nothing? This is what all threads devolve into around here. What does a guy walking in and killing people have to do with politics?

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Obama and the media validates this guys beliefs everyday. The media loves to point at Rush Limbaugh's 'hate speech', but the rhetoric from the left is far more dangerous.

Just stop. When will people learn that arguing about the left and the right accomplishes nothing? This is what all threads devolve into around here. What does a guy walking in and killing people have to do with politics?

It had nothing to do with politics . . . until people with political agendas try to tie those agendas into events like this. So it's more a matter of politics having to do with this event, rather than vice-versa.

 

[Bonzai]

Apparently you people think this was just some random kook going nuts. Think again. Sad to see that your blinders are on full screen.

enlighten us

You are being elightened right now if you are listening to the investigation.

how so?

Apparently you aren't digesting what has come out so far. Couple of tidbits from tonight:'Used neighbor's computer when he had one himself' (they will find stuff on that computer).'Red flags pointed out for years by associates.''Some dude dressed as a muslim visited him the day before the shootings and according to a neighbor, that was the only time he saw anyone at this guy's place.' See I can put this together that this guy was a terrorist committing a terrorist act. I guess you can't.You have to be able to watch the news and comprehend the info to be enlightened.

I tend to think that being insane and being a terrorist aren't mutually exclusive. Pretty much the opposite.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I tend to think that being insane and being a terrorist aren't mutually exclusive. Pretty much the opposite.

I disagree. Being a fanatic and being a terrorist certainly aren't mutually exclusive, but one of the most common definitions of insanity is being unable to distinguish right from wrong. Terrorists consciously use wrongful acts to make political statements, so that's where I think your comment is off base.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

hadn't heard most of that stuff. thanks.but when you said we shouldn't allow "these people" anywhere near a gun, it wasn't clear who you were referring to.

radicals. This guy was a flipping red flag special and they knew it.Add in 'he was praising suicide bombers on the internet.'

Right. "Radicals" is what you meant when you referenced removing rights from those who say, "Allahu Akbar."

 

[Bonzai]

I tend to think that being insane and being a terrorist aren't mutually exclusive. Pretty much the opposite.

I disagree. Being a fanatic and being a terrorist certainly aren't mutually exclusive, but one of the most common definitions of insanity is being unable to distinguish right from wrong. Terrorists consciously use wrongful acts to make political statements, so that's where I think your comment is off base.

The people who orchestrate the attacks aren't insane, that's why they're not strapping the bombs to themselves. The folks who carry them out, however, are desperate, unstable people.

 

[Bonzai]

And before the chorus of morons chime in, I'm not suggesting that because someone is desperate or unstable that they're entitled to commit acts of violence.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I tend to think that being insane and being a terrorist aren't mutually exclusive. Pretty much the opposite.

I disagree. Being a fanatic and being a terrorist certainly aren't mutually exclusive, but one of the most common definitions of insanity is being unable to distinguish right from wrong. Terrorists consciously use wrongful acts to make political statements, so that's where I think your comment is off base.

The people who orchestrate the attacks aren't insane, that's why they're not strapping the bombs to themselves. The folks who carry them out, however, are desperate, unstable people.

I don't disagree, but I still don't believe that the suicide bombers by and large are "insane", at least in the legal definition of the word. They know what they're doing is wrong, and it's a rational choice for them, albeit one that the vast majority of people would never make of course.

 

[Bonzai]

I tend to think that being insane and being a terrorist aren't mutually exclusive. Pretty much the opposite.

I disagree. Being a fanatic and being a terrorist certainly aren't mutually exclusive, but one of the most common definitions of insanity is being unable to distinguish right from wrong. Terrorists consciously use wrongful acts to make political statements, so that's where I think your comment is off base.

The people who orchestrate the attacks aren't insane, that's why they're not strapping the bombs to themselves. The folks who carry them out, however, are desperate, unstable people.

I don't disagree, but I still don't believe that the suicide bombers by and large are "insane", at least in the legal definition of the word. They know what they're doing is wrong, and it's a rational choice for them, albeit one that the vast majority of people would never make of course.

I'm not trying to get bogged down in some legal debate about whether or not the guy is fit to stand trial or whatever. I'm just making a point that it seems that people who commit acts of terrorism aren't well adjusted, normal people who happen to be super religiously or politically motivated. Everything that I've read suggests that there is usually a fertile ground of desperation/instability/looniness/etc before the political or religious agenda manifests itself in acts of terrorism.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I tend to think that being insane and being a terrorist aren't mutually exclusive. Pretty much the opposite.

I disagree. Being a fanatic and being a terrorist certainly aren't mutually exclusive, but one of the most common definitions of insanity is being unable to distinguish right from wrong. Terrorists consciously use wrongful acts to make political statements, so that's where I think your comment is off base.

The people who orchestrate the attacks aren't insane, that's why they're not strapping the bombs to themselves. The folks who carry them out, however, are desperate, unstable people.

I don't disagree, but I still don't believe that the suicide bombers by and large are "insane", at least in the legal definition of the word. They know what they're doing is wrong, and it's a rational choice for them, albeit one that the vast majority of people would never make of course.

I'm not trying to get bogged down in some legal debate about whether or not the guy is fit to stand trial or whatever. I'm just making a point that it seems that people who commit acts of terrorism aren't well adjusted, normal people who happen to be super religiously or politically motivated. Everything that I've read suggests that there is usually a fertile ground of desperation/instability/looniness/etc before the political or religious agenda manifests itself in acts of terrorism.

Fair enough. Words have meaning, and certain words are especially significant in certain contexts. This is wear my law training kicks in, so I apologize if I'm picking nits here. Not only do I agree with your last point, I'd also add that there's evidence that some suicide bombers or attackers are intoxicated or high on drugs to "assist" them in carrying out the attacks. This seems hardly fitting of supposed warriors acting in Allah's name.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Apparently you aren't digesting what has come out so far. Couple of tidbits from tonight:'Used neighbor's computer when he had one himself' (they will find stuff on that computer).'Red flags pointed out for years by associates.''Some dude dressed as a muslim visited him the day before the shootings and according to a neighbor, that was the only time he saw anyone at this guy's place.' See I can put this together that this guy was a terrorist committing a terrorist act. I guess you can't.You have to be able to watch the news and comprehend the info to be enlightened.

I think you and Milton should get together to finalize the deal. The jumping to conclusions here is astounding.

 

[Fennis]

Obama and the media validates this guys beliefs everyday. The media loves to point at Rush Limbaugh's 'hate speech', but the rhetoric from the left is far more dangerous.

Too bad there's not a v-chip for talk radio, because you need it.

 

[Ned]

Apparently you aren't digesting what has come out so far.

Couple of tidbits from tonight:

'Used neighbor's computer when he had one himself' (they will find stuff on that computer).

'Red flags pointed out for years by associates.'

'Some dude dressed as a muslim visited him the day before the shootings and according to a neighbor, that was the only time he saw anyone at this guy's place.'

See I can put this together that this guy was a terrorist committing a terrorist act. I guess you can't.

You have to be able to watch the news and comprehend the info to be enlightened.

I think you and Milton should get together to finalize the deal. The jumping to conclusions here is astounding.

beat me to it

 

[Bonzai]

Fair enough. Words have meaning, and certain words are especially significant in certain contexts. This is wear my law training kicks in, so I apologize if I'm picking nits here. Not only do I agree with your last point, I'd also add that there's evidence that some suicide bombers or attackers are intoxicated or high on drugs to "assist" them in carrying out the attacks. This seems hardly fitting of supposed warriors acting in Allah's name.

I'm in mental health, so I'll admit to being lazy with my wording. I don't think you can fault me for dumbing things down in threads like this though...

 

[timschochet]

From my understanding, and maybe Bonzai can chime in further because he is in mental health, there is no literal meaning to the word "insanity". It's a legal term that those who study this field don't really recognize. Most of us laymen recognize that someone who choose to randomly kill other people is not a "normal" person as we would define the term. (Of course, "normal" has no meaning either.)

If an action is preplanned, and if it can be proven that the perpetrator understands the results and consequences of his actions, the law doesn't consider that insane. Yet by this logic, suicide bombers are not insane.

 

[JZilla]

This guy was born in the US, raised in the US, joined the Army right out of high school in 1988 and has been in ever since. Despite whatever "red flags" we think may or may not have been thrown up in the past 6 months or whatever (nothing is confirmed), I really don't think there was any reason to expect something like this. For those of you who think this is somehow the Army's fault for letting him hang around, or for letting Muslim Americans join the military, or whatever you're trying to say, I'd really be interested in your thoughts on what they should have done. Keep in mind this is America.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I haven't followed this thread because, well, there just can't be a decent discussion around here anymore before it's a race to see who can derail the thread first but knowing Doctor Detroit a little, for him to get banned in a thread like this. . .it seems the FFA has hit a new high in low. The man is a veteran who has seen more and done more than most all of you to give you the very ability to be #######s to one another. Nice job

he's not banned. looks like he'll be back tomorrow.for the record, his brief suspension was for laying into Brutis/Peens, another military guy who probably won't be back here for awhile. If I know DrD at all, I don't think he'll mind taking a day off.

Good to know Aaron, thanks. The world is a better place.

I shouldn't have gotten so far off topic on such an important topic. I don't regret anything I said but I shouldn't have said it in this thread.I apologize to all viewing, this certainly wasn't about any one who was posting on an internet board.

 

[Fennis]

This guy was born in the US, raised in the US, joined the Army right out of high school in 1988 and has been in ever since. Despite whatever "red flags" we think may or may not have been thrown up in the past 6 months or whatever (nothing is confirmed), I really don't think there was any reason to expect something like this. For those of you who think this is somehow the Army's fault for letting him hang around, or for letting Muslim Americans join the military, or whatever you're trying to say, I'd really be interested in your thoughts on what they should have done. Keep in mind this is America.

No Way Out

 

[Mr. Retukes]

This guy was born in the US, raised in the US, joined the Army right out of high school in 1988 and has been in ever since. Despite whatever "red flags" we think may or may not have been thrown up in the past 6 months or whatever (nothing is confirmed), I really don't think there was any reason to expect something like this. For those of you who think this is somehow the Army's fault for letting him hang around, or for letting Muslim Americans join the military, or whatever you're trying to say, I'd really be interested in your thoughts on what they should have done. Keep in mind this is America.

[Devil'sAdvocate]What's so terrible about keeping a closer eye on the soldiers who share the same ancestry/religion/culture as the enemy?[/Devil'sAdvocate]

 

[JZilla]

This guy was born in the US, raised in the US, joined the Army right out of high school in 1988 and has been in ever since. Despite whatever "red flags" we think may or may not have been thrown up in the past 6 months or whatever (nothing is confirmed), I really don't think there was any reason to expect something like this. For those of you who think this is somehow the Army's fault for letting him hang around, or for letting Muslim Americans join the military, or whatever you're trying to say, I'd really be interested in your thoughts on what they should have done. Keep in mind this is America.

[Devil'sAdvocate]What's so terrible about keeping a closer eye on the soldiers who share the same ancestry/religion/culture as the enemy?

[/Devil'sAdvocate]

Is this for real or are you just ####### with me?

 

[jon_mx]

This guy was born in the US, raised in the US, joined the Army right out of high school in 1988 and has been in ever since. Despite whatever "red flags" we think may or may not have been thrown up in the past 6 months or whatever (nothing is confirmed), I really don't think there was any reason to expect something like this. For those of you who think this is somehow the Army's fault for letting him hang around, or for letting Muslim Americans join the military, or whatever you're trying to say, I'd really be interested in your thoughts on what they should have done. Keep in mind this is America.

[Devil'sAdvocate]What's so terrible about keeping a closer eye on the soldiers who share the same ancestry/religion/culture as the enemy?[/Devil'sAdvocate]

I think the military needs to address this. There are about 15,000 Muslims in the military, probably about 1% of the total. My first guess when this happened was that is was probably a Muslim. That sounds so racist, but what should be a 1 in a 100 chance, is more like 50-50. We need to consider, Muslim + Anti-War rhetoric + Disgruntled = Major Warning Sign. People in the military are in charge of a lot of weapons a heck of a lot more powerful and destructive than a handgun, so it could be a lot worse next time. Too much political correctness is going to get a lot of young American men and women killed.

 

[RBM]

I haven't followed this thread because, well, there just can't be a decent discussion around here anymore before it's a race to see who can derail the thread first but knowing Doctor Detroit a little, for him to get banned in a thread like this. . .it seems the FFA has hit a new high in low. The man is a veteran who has seen more and done more than most all of you to give you the very ability to be #######s to one another. Nice job

he's not banned. looks like he'll be back tomorrow.for the record, his brief suspension was for laying into Brutis/Peens, another military guy who probably won't be back here for awhile. If I know DrD at all, I don't think he'll mind taking a day off.

Good to know Aaron, thanks. The world is a better place.

I shouldn't have gotten so far off topic on such an important topic. I don't regret anything I said but I shouldn't have said it in this thread.I apologize to all viewing, this certainly wasn't about any one who was posting on an internet board.

Thanks. Welcome back buddy

 

[JZilla]

This guy was born in the US, raised in the US, joined the Army right out of high school in 1988 and has been in ever since. Despite whatever "red flags" we think may or may not have been thrown up in the past 6 months or whatever (nothing is confirmed), I really don't think there was any reason to expect something like this. For those of you who think this is somehow the Army's fault for letting him hang around, or for letting Muslim Americans join the military, or whatever you're trying to say, I'd really be interested in your thoughts on what they should have done. Keep in mind this is America.

[Devil'sAdvocate]What's so terrible about keeping a closer eye on the soldiers who share the same ancestry/religion/culture as the enemy?[/Devil'sAdvocate]

I think the military needs to address this. There are about 15,000 Muslims in the military, probably about 1% of the total. My first guess when this happened was that is was probably a Muslim. That sounds so racist, but what should be a 1 in a 100 chance, is more like 50-50. We need to consider, Muslim + Anti-War rhetoric + Disgruntled = Major Warning Sign. People in the military are in charge of a lot of weapons a heck of a lot more powerful and destructive than a handgun, so it could be a lot worse next time. Too much political correctness is going to get a lot of young American men and women killed.

15,000 Muslims in the military, one guy loses it, and you want to do what exactly? This is America. Plenty of Italian- and German-Americans fought bravely in WWII, plenty of Asian-Americans (since we're painting that broad a stroke) fought bravely in the Korean and Vietnam wars, and by your account 15,000 Muslims are fighting bravely in the wars in the Middle East. But since this one guy lost it we should do what exactly? No one is even really saying... kick them out? Assign a white guy to follow them around? Implant a LoJack? Ridiculous. It's not being PC. It's about being American and respecting the equal rights of American citizens. It's what America is, and it's why the great great great majority of these Muslims came here and are proud to fight.You know, I was an Arabic linguist in the USAF, and I will tell you 100%, the best linguists in our DoD, military or civilian, are Arab Americans who serve our country with nothing but pride and dignity.

 

[jon_mx]

This guy was born in the US, raised in the US, joined the Army right out of high school in 1988 and has been in ever since. Despite whatever "red flags" we think may or may not have been thrown up in the past 6 months or whatever (nothing is confirmed), I really don't think there was any reason to expect something like this. For those of you who think this is somehow the Army's fault for letting him hang around, or for letting Muslim Americans join the military, or whatever you're trying to say, I'd really be interested in your thoughts on what they should have done. Keep in mind this is America.

[Devil'sAdvocate]What's so terrible about keeping a closer eye on the soldiers who share the same ancestry/religion/culture as the enemy?[/Devil'sAdvocate]

I think the military needs to address this. There are about 15,000 Muslims in the military, probably about 1% of the total. My first guess when this happened was that is was probably a Muslim. That sounds so racist, but what should be a 1 in a 100 chance, is more like 50-50. We need to consider, Muslim + Anti-War rhetoric + Disgruntled = Major Warning Sign. People in the military are in charge of a lot of weapons a heck of a lot more powerful and destructive than a handgun, so it could be a lot worse next time. Too much political correctness is going to get a lot of young American men and women killed.

15,000 Muslims in the military, one guy loses it, and you want to do what exactly? This is America. Plenty of Italian- and German-Americans fought bravely in WWII, plenty of Asian-Americans (since we're painting that broad a stroke) fought bravely in the Korean and Vietnam wars, and by your account 15,000 Muslims are fighting bravely in the wars in the Middle East. But since this one guy lost it we should do what exactly? No one is even really saying... kick them out? Assign a white guy to follow them around? Implant a LoJack? Ridiculous. It's not being PC. It's about being American and respecting the equal rights of American citizens. It's what America is, and it's why the great great great majority of these Muslims came here and are proud to fight.You know, I was an Arabic linguist in the USAF, and I will tell you 100%, the best linguists in our DoD, military or civilian, are Arab Americans who serve our country with nothing but pride and dignity.

I did not suggest anything of the such. But when there are warning signs like there were around this guy, it needs to throw up warning signs, especially since he is Muslim. Instead in the era of political correctness, we can't take the obvious into account.

 

[Challenge Everything]

I did not suggest anything of the such. But when there are warning signs like there were around this guy, it needs to throw up warning signs, especially since he is Muslim. Instead in the era of political correctness, we can't take the obvious into account.

What kind of America do you live in? Do you live in 2009 America? Do you live in the 1930's, 40's, 50's South? Seriously, what do you expect America of 2009 to be like? Orwell wrote about you many years ago.

 

[Fennis]

I did not suggest anything of the such. But when there are warning signs like there were around this guy, it needs to throw up warning signs, especially since he is Muslim. Instead in the era of political correctness, we can't take the obvious into account.

What kind of America do you live in? Do you live in 2009 America? Do you live in the 1930's, 40's, 50's South? Seriously, what do you expect America of 2009 to be like? Orwell wrote about you many years ago.

This dude was a christian.

 

[JZilla]

I did not suggest anything of the such. But when there are warning signs like there were around this guy, it needs to throw up warning signs, especially since he is Muslim. Instead in the era of political correctness, we can't take the obvious into account.

I think the military needs to address this. There are about 15,000 Muslims in the military, probably about 1% of the total. My first guess when this happened was that is was probably a Muslim. That sounds so racist, but what should be a 1 in a 100 chance, is more like 50-50.

I don't know, you seem to be suggesting something here. This guy was in the army for 20 years, and I will grant you, seemed to display some signs of unhappiness lately, though it all seems pretty speculative. One thing was apparently investigated and deemed inconclusive. They don't kick people out for being unhappy. Honestly, if they did, there'd be a big time shortage of deployable troops. It is unAmerican to take the fact that he's a Muslim and use as some justification to treat him differently than you would any other troop. That's not me being PC, that's what America is all about. If this jerk does something horrible because he was treated as an equal by those above him, well, that's on him not them and it is very unfortunate but IMO it was unavoidable. We don't take this incident and immediately start putting all Muslim soldiers under a microscope.

 

[Fennis]

I did not suggest anything of the such. But when there are warning signs like there were around this guy, it needs to throw up warning signs, especially since he is Muslim. Instead in the era of political correctness, we can't take the obvious into account.

What kind of America do you live in? Do you live in 2009 America? Do you live in the 1930's, 40's, 50's South? Seriously, what do you expect America of 2009 to be like? Orwell wrote about you many years ago.

This dude was a christian.

One of these guys was Jewish and the other Christian

 

[jon_mx]

I did not suggest anything of the such. But when there are warning signs like there were around this guy, it needs to throw up warning signs, especially since he is Muslim. Instead in the era of political correctness, we can't take the obvious into account.

What kind of America do you live in? Do you live in 2009 America? Do you live in the 1930's, 40's, 50's South? Seriously, what do you expect America of 2009 to be like? Orwell wrote about you many years ago.

I live in an America that had 3000 people killed on 9-11. One which has had DOZENS of more attacks stopped since then because of the work of our counterterrorism efforts. These attacks were done by ISLAMIC EXTREMIST. These ISLAMIC EXTRMIST desire to kill as many Americans as possible. Do you want to bury the head in the sand and deny the reality of this? We are talking about people who would blow up New York city and kill 11 million people without batting an eye. You people want to call every southerner ignorant racists when you lose an arguement, and then worry about painting with a broad brush.

 

[JZilla]

I did not suggest anything of the such. But when there are warning signs like there were around this guy, it needs to throw up warning signs, especially since he is Muslim. Instead in the era of political correctness, we can't take the obvious into account.

What kind of America do you live in? Do you live in 2009 America? Do you live in the 1930's, 40's, 50's South? Seriously, what do you expect America of 2009 to be like? Orwell wrote about you many years ago.

I live in an America that had 3000 people killed on 9-11. One which has had DOZENS of more attacks stopped since then because of the work of our counterterrorism efforts.

I wonder how many Arab Americans were involved in these efforts. More than you might think. But we better keep an eye on those #######

 

[urbanhack]

Obama and the media validates this guys beliefs everyday.

Might be the dumbest thing I've ever read here.

 

[Voltaire]

I did not suggest anything of the such. But when there are warning signs like there were around this guy, it needs to throw up warning signs, especially since he is Muslim. Instead in the era of political correctness, we can't take the obvious into account.

What kind of America do you live in? Do you live in 2009 America? Do you live in the 1930's, 40's, 50's South? Seriously, what do you expect America of 2009 to be like? Orwell wrote about you many years ago.

This dude was a christian.

One of these guys was Jewish and the other Christian

The guy who shot up the naval base in Bahrain a year or two ago was also decidedly not Muslim.

 

[jon_mx]

I did not suggest anything of the such. But when there are warning signs like there were around this guy, it needs to throw up warning signs, especially since he is Muslim. Instead in the era of political correctness, we can't take the obvious into account.

What kind of America do you live in? Do you live in 2009 America? Do you live in the 1930's, 40's, 50's South? Seriously, what do you expect America of 2009 to be like? Orwell wrote about you many years ago.

I live in an America that had 3000 people killed on 9-11. One which has had DOZENS of more attacks stopped since then because of the work of our counterterrorism efforts.

I wonder how many Arab Americans were involved in these efforts. More than you might think. But we better keep an eye on those #######

Oh come on with your vile racism accusations. We know for a fact that Muslims are recruiting Americans. We know that there are Islamic sleeper cells here. This is a real war, where real people are in real danger. We can waste our time treating blue-haired grandma as a terrorist threat, or we can keep our eyes on Muslims communities and prisons where the recruitments are going on. 99.99% of the Muslim community are good American citizens. But that does not change the fact that the major terrorist threat against this country is 100% Islamic.