Shooting at Ft. Hood (1 Viewer)

[Doctor Detroit]

what does her story have to do with safety?

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

were you also a big fan of the Japanese-American concentration camps during WWII? Is there a line that shouldn't be crossed in the name of "safety"?

"Fan". Really? That's the word you are going to use? I'm not a fan of any of it. However, racial profiling, more in depth background checking and questioning a guy, especially in our military, who says anti-American things, seems reasonable.

So more government then. I love the righties who are always #####ing about big government but want the government to do "more in-depth" background checks, do racial profiling models, and line the streets with people who can point out a crazy Muslim about to kill folks. So big government is bad but I want the government to protect me from radicals without me having to pay a dime for it, and I won't join the military or do any of the leg work myself. That about sum it up?

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a person's religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.

Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

What does an American woman being harassed by narrow-minded dimwits because of her appearance and religion at a commissary have to do with safety? You are really showing your true colors here.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

"Fan". Really? That's the word you are going to use? I'm not a fan of any of it. However, racial profiling, more in depth background checking and questioning a guy, especially in our military, who says anti-American things, seems reasonable.

of course that seems reasonable, but it has nothing to do with the Muslim woman being harassed at the commissary, which is what you were initially responding to.just trying to figure out where you might draw the line. there are probably a lot of things we could do to make everyone more safe. when you start removing rights and treating American citizens unfairly based solely on their race, religion, or nationality though, seems like a dangerous step to take. and that has nothing to do with political correctness. Freedom of Religion is a fundamental American value.

 

[ArcticEdge]

what does her story have to do with safety?

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

were you also a big fan of the Japanese-American concentration camps during WWII? Is there a line that shouldn't be crossed in the name of "safety"?

"Fan". Really? That's the word you are going to use? I'm not a fan of any of it. However, racial profiling, more in depth background checking and questioning a guy, especially in our military, who says anti-American things, seems reasonable.

So more government then. I love the righties who are always #####ing about big government but want the government to do "more in-depth" background checks, do racial profiling models, and line the streets with people who can point out a crazy Muslim about to kill folks. So big government is bad but I want the government to protect me from radicals without me having to pay a dime for it, and I won't join the military or do any of the leg work myself. That about sum it up?

No, and again, you are trying to speak for me. You are as close minded about me as you try to make others look. Why does the govt. have to be any bigger? A few regulation changes and removing PCness is all that is needed.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

No, and again, you are trying to speak for me. You are as close minded about me as you try to make others look. Why does the govt. have to be any bigger? A few regulation changes and removing PCness is all that is needed.

I wasn't trying to speak for you the first time but you wanted to think I was. What I was telling you is she has perspective both as a military spouse and as a Muslim that you don't have.As far as a few regulation changes, go ahead and tell us what those would be....I'll put whatever they are in the suggestion box tomorrow.

 

[bueno]

what does her story have to do with safety?

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

were you also a big fan of the Japanese-American concentration camps during WWII? Is there a line that shouldn't be crossed in the name of "safety"?

"Fan". Really? That's the word you are going to use? I'm not a fan of any of it. However, racial profiling, more in depth background checking and questioning a guy, especially in our military, who says anti-American things, seems reasonable.

So more government then. I love the righties who are always #####ing about big government but want the government to do "more in-depth" background checks, do racial profiling models, and line the streets with people who can point out a crazy Muslim about to kill folks. So big government is bad but I want the government to protect me from radicals without me having to pay a dime for it, and I won't join the military or do any of the leg work myself. That about sum it up?

Big government is bad because it almost always exceeds its constitutional mandate. Meeting the constitutional mandate of providing for the common defense is not bad because that is what the governemnt is supposed to do. HTH

 

[ArcticEdge]

"Fan". Really? That's the word you are going to use? I'm not a fan of any of it. However, racial profiling, more in depth background checking and questioning a guy, especially in our military, who says anti-American things, seems reasonable.

of course that seems reasonable, but it has nothing to do with the Muslim woman being harassed at the commissary, which is what you were initially responding to.just trying to figure out where you might draw the line. there are probably a lot of things we could do to make everyone more safe. when you start removing rights and treating American citizens unfairly based solely on their race, religion, or nationality though, seems like a dangerous step to take. and that has nothing to do with political correctness. Freedom of Religion is a fundamental American value.

I wasnt responding to anything, I was making a point. Also, I'm Lutheran. And if there was a radical sect of Lutherans killing, harming, and causing people pain, I would welcome extra attention regarding finding the terrorists in my religion. If someone's religion is to kill all Americans, should that religion be free to do what it wants?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

So more government then. I love the righties who are always #####ing about big government but want the government to do "more in-depth" background checks, do racial profiling models, and line the streets with people who can point out a crazy Muslim about to kill folks. So big government is bad but I want the government to protect me from radicals without me having to pay a dime for it, and I won't join the military or do any of the leg work myself. That about sum it up?

Big government is bad because it almost always exceeds its constitutional mandate. Meeting the constitutional mandate of providing for the common defense is not bad because that is what the governemnt is supposed to do. HTH

Right, but those who wrote the constitution aren't having to fight an asymmetrical war without borders, flags, or a common face. The TSA system alone is costing us weapon system type money, and it isn't going to change anytime soon.

 

[FUBAR]

And here, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have in very clear terms the true motivation behind anyone who believes in torture- they are not really looking to use it to gain information. They don't care about that. They are using it to inflict pain, and extract revenge. RBM, I understand and actually share your emotions. The difference between us is that I don't want my government making decisions based on emotion.

There is an appropriate time, but that is very rare and this isn't remotely it.

Amazing self-control by the hospital workers and authorities around this guy. How isnt someone beating him senseless?

You really don't get it. I would assume sarcasm, but I doubt it here.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

If someone's religion is to kill all Americans, should that religion be free to do what it wants?

of course not, but I don't believe such a religion exists. is that how you would characterize all Muslims, including Muslim Americans who are actively serving in our armed forces?

 

[ArcticEdge]

No, and again, you are trying to speak for me. You are as close minded about me as you try to make others look. Why does the govt. have to be any bigger? A few regulation changes and removing PCness is all that is needed.

I wasn't trying to speak for you the first time but you wanted to think I was. What I was telling you is she has perspective both as a military spouse and as a Muslim that you don't have.As far as a few regulation changes, go ahead and tell us what those would be....I'll put whatever they are in the suggestion box tomorrow.

Yes, the first part of your post stated that. I agree and, I have sympathy for that woman. However, the second part of your post suggested that I live in a box and only associate with people like me and that I have contempt for those not familiar to me. Which is not true at all.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I wasnt responding to anything, I was making a point.

also, what point were you making exactly? and why make the point in direct response to the story Maurile posted if it had nothing to do with it?

 

[ArcticEdge]

If someone's religion is to kill all Americans, should that religion be free to do what it wants?

of course not, but I don't believe such a religion exists. is that how you would characterize all Muslims, including Muslim Americans who are actively serving in our armed forces?

No, it's an example, to show you that Freedom of Religion can not be absolute. Don't you agree? Also, the radical sect of Muslims, what do they want Aaron? What's their end game?

 

[FUBAR]

If someone's religion is to kill all Americans, should that religion be free to do what it wants?

of course not, but I don't believe such a religion exists. is that how you would characterize all Muslims, including Muslim Americans who are actively serving in our armed forces?

No, it's an example, to show you that Freedom of Religion can not be absolute. Don't you agree? Also, the radical sect of Muslims, what do they want Aaron? What's their end game?

Why not ask about Devil-worship, human sacrifice, and other things? It's not the religion we will fight against, it's the actions taken by the individuals. Being a Devil-worshipper would raise flags for sure, but taken as a whole, the Muslim religion should not. Hint: most Muslims are either neutral or actually pro-America and don't condone violence against innocents.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

If someone's religion is to kill all Americans, should that religion be free to do what it wants?

of course not, but I don't believe such a religion exists. is that how you would characterize all Muslims, including Muslim Americans who are actively serving in our armed forces?

No, it's an example, to show you that Freedom of Religion can not be absolute. Don't you agree? Also, the radical sect of Muslims, what do they want Aaron? What's their end game?

probably want us out of the ME I'd imagine.

 

[ArcticEdge]

I wasnt responding to anything, I was making a point.

also, what point were you making exactly? and why make the point in direct response to the story Maurile posted if it had nothing to do with it?

Go to post 551.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I wasnt responding to anything, I was making a point.

also, what point were you making exactly? and why make the point in direct response to the story Maurile posted if it had nothing to do with it?

Go to post 551.

"hurt feelings"really? taking away fundamental rights of American citizens seems a bit more significant than that.

 

[ArcticEdge]

If someone's religion is to kill all Americans, should that religion be free to do what it wants?

of course not, but I don't believe such a religion exists. is that how you would characterize all Muslims, including Muslim Americans who are actively serving in our armed forces?

No, it's an example, to show you that Freedom of Religion can not be absolute. Don't you agree? Also, the radical sect of Muslims, what do they want Aaron? What's their end game?

probably want us out of the ME I'd imagine.

Oh, that's it huh? Well, we are not leaving, so what are they going to do?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Well, we are not leaving

why not?

 

[MacGruber]

I wasnt responding to anything, I was making a point.

also, what point were you making exactly? and why make the point in direct response to the story Maurile posted if it had nothing to do with it?

Go to post 551.

"hurt feelings"really? taking away fundamental rights of American citizens seems a bit more significant than that.

It's always the people who claim to love the country the most who are the most un-american. This thread is sad.

 

[ArcticEdge]

I wasnt responding to anything, I was making a point.

also, what point were you making exactly? and why make the point in direct response to the story Maurile posted if it had nothing to do with it?

Go to post 551.

"hurt feelings"really? taking away fundamental rights of American citizens seems a bit more significant than that.

What rights? Extra questioning, and racial profiling takes away what rights?

 

[FUBAR]

If someone's religion is to kill all Americans, should that religion be free to do what it wants?

of course not, but I don't believe such a religion exists. is that how you would characterize all Muslims, including Muslim Americans who are actively serving in our armed forces?

No, it's an example, to show you that Freedom of Religion can not be absolute. Don't you agree? Also, the radical sect of Muslims, what do they want Aaron? What's their end game?

probably want us out of the ME I'd imagine.

Oh, that's it huh? Well, we are not leaving, so what are they going to do?

love the attitude, is it any wonder why they hate us?

 

[ArcticEdge]

Well, we are not leaving

why not?

Im not in charge, but no one has said we are.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

What rights? Extra questioning, and racial profiling takes away what rights?

did you even read the story that was posted?

When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends,"

seems a bit extreme, right?where does the racial profiling lead to exactly? is that going to solve all our problems or might it create some new ones as well?

 

[FUBAR]

I wasnt responding to anything, I was making a point.

also, what point were you making exactly? and why make the point in direct response to the story Maurile posted if it had nothing to do with it?

Go to post 551.

"hurt feelings"really? taking away fundamental rights of American citizens seems a bit more significant than that.

What rights? Extra questioning, and racial profiling takes away what rights?

If it stops there, arguably none. If carried to your likely endgame, that 1st Amendment sure is pesky.

 

[ArcticEdge]

What rights? Extra questioning, and racial profiling takes away what rights?

did you even read the story that was posted?

When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends,"

seems a bit extreme, right?where does the racial profiling lead to exactly? is that going to solve all our problems or might it create some new ones as well?

The right to be in the military? That's what you are talking about? Those are the "rights" you are worried that will be trampled?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Nice link there Einstein.

Sorry, I forget there are people here that still fill out forms with crayons (so I fixed the link, just for you)...P.S. My 6 year old could have figured out how to fix that link error in his browser... Einstein

I figured it out, but I dislike you very much so I wanted to make fun of your ineptitude, Sally.PS: Maybe you should have had your 6 year old link for you, he sounds smarter.

If you come back next month, please be cooler.J

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

What rights? Extra questioning, and racial profiling takes away what rights?

did you even read the story that was posted?

When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends,"

seems a bit extreme, right?where does the racial profiling lead to exactly? is that going to solve all our problems or might it create some new ones as well?

The right to be in the military? That's what you are talking about? Those are the "rights" you are worried that will be trampled?

no, not that specifically. but, treating an entire group of citizens differently b/c they believe in Allah vs Jesus sounds unAmerican.I doubt anybody has much of an issue with extra security, background checks for suspicious individuals, etc. It's the "go back to your country", keep all Muslims out of our stores, schools, military, etc. rhetoric that I'm responding to.

 

[bueno]

So more government then. I love the righties who are always #####ing about big government but want the government to do "more in-depth" background checks, do racial profiling models, and line the streets with people who can point out a crazy Muslim about to kill folks. So big government is bad but I want the government to protect me from radicals without me having to pay a dime for it, and I won't join the military or do any of the leg work myself. That about sum it up?

Big government is bad because it almost always exceeds its constitutional mandate. Meeting the constitutional mandate of providing for the common defense is not bad because that is what the governemnt is supposed to do. HTH

Right, but those who wrote the constitution aren't having to fight an asymmetrical war without borders, flags, or a common face. The TSA system alone is costing us weapon system type money, and it isn't going to change anytime soon.

No but they did take on and beat the greatest military force on the planet at the time.

 

[ArcticEdge]

What rights? Extra questioning, and racial profiling takes away what rights?

did you even read the story that was posted?

When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends,"

seems a bit extreme, right?where does the racial profiling lead to exactly? is that going to solve all our problems or might it create some new ones as well?

The right to be in the military? That's what you are talking about? Those are the "rights" you are worried that will be trampled?

no, not that specifically. but, treating an entire group of citizens differently b/c they believe in Allah vs Jesus sounds unAmerican.I doubt anybody has much of an issue with extra security, background checks for suspicious individuals, etc. It's the "go back to your country", keep all Muslims out of our stores, schools, military, etc. rhetoric that I'm responding to.

Unfortunately Aaron, the terrorists who believe in Allah, hide among the others, so we have to treat all Muslims with caution. And yes, this will cause hurt feelings with some of the non radicals, but it has to be done. I'm not suggesting keeping Muslims out of anything in our country, only identifying and capturing the terrorist Muslims.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'm suggesting identifying and capturing the terrorist Muslims.

we seem to be doing a pretty good job of this already. I don't feel unsafe living in America. do you?maybe this guy should have been flagged sooner based on the info that is coming out now, but it's easy to say that after the fact. do we make drastic changes based on the actions of one nut job? there hasn't been any other Timothy McVeigh situations, but I don't think we're out there profiling all angry anti-govt white guys either.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

where does the racial profiling lead to exactly? is that going to solve all our problems or might it create some new ones as well?

This is a good question and I'll tell you what we've done to avoid religious/ethnic/racial profiling:We profile origin, nationality, and transportation route for international visitors. We list Yemen, Saudi, Pakistan, India, UAE, and a few others and sprinkle in Italy, Sweden, and some others based on intelligence or just as a diplomatic offset. Why do you think citizens of European countries need visas to enter the U.S. now? It's not because we had an exponentially increased security risk from those countries (with the exception of the UK), we did it as a diplomatic trade off so we can give extra attention to those people coming in from high risk countries, and from lower risk travelers from Indonesia, Malaysia, or Turkey.

Domestically we are going to have a difficult time doing that, especially with American citizens. It is an extremely slippery slope to overtly profile someone because of beliefs shared by 1.5 billion fellow earthlings.

In the military it's even harder and there was nothing in this guy's background prior to his entry that would set off alarms as far as I know. The stuff that happened while he was in can be explained by a few things. For one, he was a guy that entered the military for the sole purpose of becoming a doctor. So the military paid for his medical school, his internship, and his residency and then he thought it was a good idea to get out. Guess what? This happens all the time and the military takes a firm stance with these people because they can't have people flipping them for a medical degree and internship then punching. So even if there were alarms many may have just thought it was his way of pressing all the buttons for his discharge.

He also didn't want to deploy or fight his fellow Muslims which is not uncommon. Some Christians don't want to deploy to kill others, it happens all the time. But the majority of these cases IMO are of those that just don't want to do very tough duty, away from their friends and family, out of their comfort zone. So they invent things to try to get out of it whether it be a physical condition or a religious proclamation. Seems like it might have been more than that with this nut but as this travels up the chain of command and given his history of wanting out of the Army, some probably thought what he was doing was shtick. Now this doesn't include attempting to communicate with terrorists but almost everything else does. I'm not saying this is right, but the Army is a huge service and there are continuity, time, and record keeping issues that make it reasonable that this guy wasn't identified as someone who could really do others harm. Given he was also a Mental health doctor, well you would just expect him to be able to work out his issues.

Anyway I'm off track here but I thought that the racial profiling conversation is an interesting sub-topic and one that requires a lot more thought. I think England has addressed this very same problem and it has had mixed results. They certainly have a much bigger issue with home-grown terrorism but they've also stirred the pot to the point it has spilled over and the people are really up in arms about certain tactics they've used. Then again they have averted some terrorist acts doing what they are doing, so I'd guess we might pay a little more attention to the subject.

But we are watching certain people, and it's not always the people you think it would be. Apparently we have quite a few former black panthers who are moving over to radical Islam. Most of the guys in that article are Americans, born and raised here.

 

[urbanhack]

I wasnt responding to anything, I was making a point.

also, what point were you making exactly? and why make the point in direct response to the story Maurile posted if it had nothing to do with it?

Go to post 551.

"hurt feelings"really? taking away fundamental rights of American citizens seems a bit more significant than that.

What rights? Extra questioning, and racial profiling takes away what rights?

Would you mind being racially profiled as a child molestor?

 

[ArcticEdge]

I'm suggesting identifying and capturing the terrorist Muslims.

we seem to be doing a pretty good job of this already. I don't feel unsafe living in America. do you?maybe this guy should have been flagged sooner based on the info that is coming out now, but it's easy to say that after the fact. do we make drastic changes based on the actions of one nut job? there hasn't been any other Timothy McVeigh situations, but I don't think we're out there profiling all angry anti-govt white guys either.

No, I dont feel any more unsafe than those victims at Ft. Hood before they were shot. Maybe this guy should have been flagged? Maybe? Have you read everything that has come out? He showed joy that those recruiters were killed in Kansas for goodness sakes. He wasnt red flagged because of fear of biggotry because he is Muslim. Those people could be alive right now, PCness when compared to saving peoples lives makes me want to puke.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Would you mind being racially profiled as a child molestor?

 

[Joe Bryant]

where does the racial profiling lead to exactly? is that going to solve all our problems or might it create some new ones as well?

This is a good question and I'll tell you what we've done to avoid religious/ethnic/racial profiling:We profile origin, nationality, and transportation route for international visitors. We list Yemen, Saudi, Pakistan, India, UAE, and a few others and sprinkle in Italy, Sweden, and some others based on intelligence or just as a diplomatic offset. Why do you think citizens of European countries need visas to enter the U.S. now? It's not because we had an exponentially increased security risk from those countries (with the exception of the UK), we did it as a diplomatic trade off so we can give extra attention to those people coming in from high risk countries, and from lower risk travelers from Indonesia, Malaysia, or Turkey.

Domestically we are going to have a difficult time doing that, especially with American citizens. It is an extremely slippery slope to overtly profile someone because of beliefs shared by 1.5 billion fellow earthlings.

In the military it's even harder and there was nothing in this guy's background prior to his entry that would set off alarms as far as I know. The stuff that happened while he was in can be explained by a few things. For one, he was a guy that entered the military for the sole purpose of becoming a doctor. So the military paid for his medical school, his internship, and his residency and then he thought it was a good idea to get out. Guess what? This happens all the time and the military takes a firm stance with these people because they can't have people flipping them for a medical degree and internship then punching. So even if there were alarms many may have just thought it was his way of pressing all the buttons for his discharge.

He also didn't want to deploy or fight his fellow Muslims which is not uncommon. Some Christians don't want to deploy to kill others, it happens all the time. But the majority of these cases IMO are of those that just don't want to do very tough duty, away from their friends and family, out of their comfort zone. So they invent things to try to get out of it whether it be a physical condition or a religious proclamation. Seems like it might have been more than that with this nut but as this travels up the chain of command and given his history of wanting out of the Army, some probably thought what he was doing was shtick. Now this doesn't include attempting to communicate with terrorists but almost everything else does. I'm not saying this is right, but the Army is a huge service and there are continuity, time, and record keeping issues that make it reasonable that this guy wasn't identified as someone who could really do others harm. Given he was also a Mental health doctor, well you would just expect him to be able to work out his issues.

Anyway I'm off track here but I thought that the racial profiling conversation is an interesting sub-topic and one that requires a lot more thought. I think England has addressed this very same problem and it has had mixed results. They certainly have a much bigger issue with home-grown terrorism but they've also stirred the pot to the point it has spilled over and the people are really up in arms about certain tactics they've used. Then again they have averted some terrorist acts doing what they are doing, so I'd guess we might pay a little more attention to the subject.

But we are watching certain people, and it's not always the people you think it would be. Apparently we have quite a few former black panthers who are moving over to radical Islam. Most of the guys in that article are Americans, born and raised here.

Good post. Thanks.J

 

[FUBAR]

So more government then. I love the righties who are always #####ing about big government but want the government to do "more in-depth" background checks, do racial profiling models, and line the streets with people who can point out a crazy Muslim about to kill folks. So big government is bad but I want the government to protect me from radicals without me having to pay a dime for it, and I won't join the military or do any of the leg work myself. That about sum it up?

Big government is bad because it almost always exceeds its constitutional mandate. Meeting the constitutional mandate of providing for the common defense is not bad because that is what the governemnt is supposed to do. HTH

Right, but those who wrote the constitution aren't having to fight an asymmetrical war without borders, flags, or a common face. The TSA system alone is costing us weapon system type money, and it isn't going to change anytime soon.

No but they did take on and beat the greatest military force on the planet at the time.

The Revolutionary War could be considered asymmetric warfare.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Maybe this guy should have been flagged? Maybe? Have you read everything that has come out? He showed joy that those recruiters were killed in Kansas for goodness sakes. He wasnt red flagged because of fear of biggotry because he is Muslim. Those people could be alive right now, PCness when compared to saving peoples lives makes me want to puke.

like I said, it's easy to say this after we know what happened.very difficult to pick these guys out ahead of time though. after what happened with the school shooting at Columbine, do we start profiling all kids who listen to weird music or playing violent video games? you're making this sound much easier than it is. has nothing to do with being PC either. not sure why guys like you and Peens keep bringing that up.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Maybe this guy should have been flagged? Maybe? Have you read everything that has come out? He showed joy that those recruiters were killed in Kansas for goodness sakes. He wasnt red flagged because of fear of biggotry because he is Muslim. Those people could be alive right now, PCness when compared to saving peoples lives makes me want to puke.

like I said, it's easy to say this after we know what happened.very difficult to pick these guys out ahead of time though. after what happened with the school shooting at Columbine, do we start profiling all kids who listen to weird music or playing violent video games? you're making this sound much easier than it is. has nothing to do with being PC either. not sure why guys like you and Peens keep bringing that up.

I think what he's saying Aaron is that this guy showed super obvious red flags (if these things are true). Way more than something like listening to Marilyn Manson or wearing goth clothing as it would relate to the kids at Columbine. If it is true that a big reason his red flags were overlooked was for fear of appearing bigoted, then that is probably something worth discussing. J

 

[urbanhack]

Would you mind being racially profiled as a child molestor?

A very large and signficant portion of child molestors are white, heterosexual males.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Would you mind being racially profiled as a child molestor?

A very large and signficant portion of child molestors are white, heterosexual males.

So are serial killers.

 

[Fennis]

Would you mind being racially profiled as a child molestor?

A very large and signficant portion of child molestors are white, heterosexual males.

IIRC, Alaska has the highest sex criminal per capita of any state.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

I listen to alot of talk radio from all shades of the spectrum.

On two different local shows this morning, one a moderate that leans right, the other leans way left, some guy called both and stated; "Isn't it convenient how this happened with support for the war waning? Now the TV networks can use this to rally support for the war."

 

[ArcticEdge]

Would you mind being racially profiled as a child molestor?

A very large and signficant portion of child molestors are white, heterosexual males.

I am white and heterosexual, yep, better profile me.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Would you mind being racially profiled as a child molestor?

A very large and signficant portion of child molestors are white, heterosexual males.

So are serial killers.

and line dancers which are much more dangerous IMO.

 

[urbanhack]

Would you mind being racially profiled as a child molestor?

A very large and signficant portion of child molestors are white, heterosexual males.

I am white and heterosexual, yep, better profile me.

get the point?

 

[ArcticEdge]

Doesnt it make more sense to start with a group like NAMBLA though?

 

[ArcticEdge]

Would you mind being racially profiled as a child molestor?

A very large and signficant portion of child molestors are white, heterosexual males.

I am white and heterosexual, yep, better profile me.

get the point?

I've always seen your point.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Maybe this guy should have been flagged? Maybe? Have you read everything that has come out? He showed joy that those recruiters were killed in Kansas for goodness sakes. He wasnt red flagged because of fear of biggotry because he is Muslim. Those people could be alive right now, PCness when compared to saving peoples lives makes me want to puke.

like I said, it's easy to say this after we know what happened.very difficult to pick these guys out ahead of time though. after what happened with the school shooting at Columbine, do we start profiling all kids who listen to weird music or playing violent video games? you're making this sound much easier than it is. has nothing to do with being PC either. not sure why guys like you and Peens keep bringing that up.

I think what he's saying Aaron is that this guy showed super obvious red flags (if these things are true). Way more than something like listening to Marilyn Manson or wearing goth clothing as it would relate to the kids at Columbine. If it is true that a big reason his red flags were overlooked was for fear of appearing bigoted, then that is probably something worth discussing. J

seems like a huge reach to me that people in the military would ignore some of things that are coming to light simply "for fear of appearing bigoted". is there any evidence for a claim like this?

 

[jonessed]

Would you mind being racially profiled as a child molestor?

A very large and signficant portion of child molestors are white, heterosexual males.

I am white and heterosexual, yep, better profile me.

get the point?

Not really. If the police think that targeting all white males for extra scrutiny will cut down on child molestations then they are free to do it. The extra resource requirements would probably bankrupt them, but have at it.