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This is a perfect summation of where I’m at on this. Thanks for putting it so well.
This Olympics is the first time I've found Phelps endearing. He has some really interesting and thoughtful things to say about elite competition, mental health, and the technical side of world-class level swimming (the latter of which I know absolutely nothing about beyond "get to the other end of the pool before the others do"). I've enjoyed hearing him speak at length and comfort in his areas of expertise.
decision demonstrates that we have a say in our own health—“a say” I NEVER felt I had as an Olympian.
I’ve been a fan for a while. Attended a Texas Children’s Hospital fundraiser in 2018 called “An Evening with a Legend” and he was the legend at that year’s event. He sat down for a 40 minute interview with Andrea Kremer and he was interesting, thoughtful, and endearing. Much like he is as a commentator for this Olympics.
I’m sure there are some people out there using that word, but I haven’t personally heard it and I don’t think anyone in this thread has suggested that her pulling out was “heroic.” I do like the word “praiseworthy” that has been used.
I’ve never heard that thrown around as much as some in here are, I don’t think she self proclaimed it. Her tweet makes it sound like she’s in a better place now so I’m happy for her but agree with you re
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She literally has a goat on her uniformI’ve never heard that thrown around as much as some in here are, I don’t think she self proclaimed it. Her tweet makes it sound like she’s in a better place now so I’m happy for her but agree with you re
everyone needs to watch this video
https://twitter.com/dmoceanu/status/1420396388614037509?s=21
I was 14 y/o w/ a tibial stress fracture, left alone w/ no cervical spine exam after this fall. I competed in the Olympic floor final minutes later. @Simone_Biles
Wow, maybe I was wrong about her self proclaiming it.
So am I. I'm really just kidding. I can't believe what has become of entertainment these days; that's my main point. Seems like you have to want to die to be taken seriously. My friends had a performance art troupe that they called the Future Suicide Heroes, whereby the claim was that in order for art to be taken seriously in the modern world, one had no recourse to God or other objective measures, one had to die for it.
Texas Rep Dan Crenshaw (I’m a fan even though we disagree on a lot) takes a different approach with this statement:
(I will eventually bring this back to Simone Biles.)
He quit on the team day before training camp, with no notice. Not even giving them a chance to replace him. I agree the Lions are a horrible franchise, no one is arguing that. But that was a bush move. There isnt much agreement with you that his quitting like that screwed himself more than the Lions.
It's not gonna define his career and Biles quitting on her team here wont define her either. I'm not sure where you guys are getting that from. You can't take away her prior performances. She was amazing. Just not in this case. But does that remove what shes done? No. However I think she might want to consider retiring from the team. If she can't handle the pressure then she really will become a liability.
That's what everybody is saying for sure. Is this the straw man that stirs the hallucinatory drinks?
And I think the bolded is a bit of a straw man as well. I’m sure there are examples out there, but the vast majority of people who are supporting Biles’ decision aren’t saying that her stepping down is “heroic.” Just look at this thread - multiple posts saying that removing herself from the competition wasn’t “heroic”, but not a single post that I recall saying that it was, in fact, heroic.
Best quote I've seen on this:
That was just on this page, too. Right there. In discernible print. Perhaps you missed it because of the five paragraph soliloquy to "greatness" and heroism that HarryKane09 wrote, but it was right there in print.
Dumbest quote. Another straw man erected to knock down. Can we be spared the sanctimony of the offended by that which doesn't exist? Notice how he predicts that there will be a lot of hot takes, but doesn't produce one. These guys are, for the most part, all tilting at windmills that don't exist. I don't hear many people begrudging her either her greatness or her decision, really, just saying at most that it maybe knocks her down a bit, which is then met with
No idea if it was a he or a she that made that comment but typically a prediction is a guess about something in the future. In the moment, how would this person produce something from the future? The irony of course, is posting in a thread on the internet which is pretty much exactly what was predicting asking for proof of what was being predicted. Doesn't get much better than that.
This is the crux of it from your POV so I'll make a connection to the sport of Tennis. The difference between the No 1 ranked player in the World and say the 150th ranked player is not the difference in speed between 1st serves, it's not the angles or the depth of the shots that's the difference, it's the mental toughness and John McEnroe is a prime example and he talks about it on the broadcasts when he is in the booth. The ability for Djokovic to shake off a 1st set meltdown in Wimbledon, throw away a 5-2 lead and then go on to hammer his opponent in 3 straight sets to win this summer was all about his mental toughness. And I can say the same for Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal where the mental toughness is at a level that is hard to grasp or understand.
And if it's a bad prediction, like it was, then ignore the argument that follows, I say, and I also say that it was an unsound premise and conclusion, which makes it a pretty dumb comment. So it's stupid.
he didn’t call her a hero for dropping out of the Olympics. He called her a hero for all of the other things discussed at length in his post.
