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Skelton vs Kolb (1 Viewer)
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Captain Hook
Footballguy
Local speculation is that it is most likely to be Kolb - certainly both could see action given the atrocious offensive line
Captain Hook
Footballguy
FIXED
DoubleG
Footballguy
"...and the one coming in will be just as bad..."In dynasty I drafted Floyd...for the passes he will catch from the QB that isn't on Arizona's roster yet.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
press conference at 2 PM PT today and will be announced then
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It shouldn't.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I'm a Skelton owner and think he's (or at least will be) better than Kolb, but if I was Whisenhunt I think I'd give Kolb the first shot. With that salary they pretty much have to give Kolb another shot and having Kolb looking over Skelton's shoulder is more problematic IMO. If he falls on his face I'd pull him and name Skelton for the rest of the year.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Unless Matt Leinart wins the job.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Awesome.
Clifford
Footballguy
At least in week 1. Wow, real VOC right there Wis.
Wouldn't be surprised if he pulls Skelton after his first screw up.
I'm sorry but I do not know why this guys gets the pass that he does. I guess because he took the Cards to the SB with Warner, but IMO his handling of this situation has been horrible.
Wouldn't be surprised if he pulls Skelton after his first screw up.
I'm sorry but I do not know why this guys gets the pass that he does. I guess because he took the Cards to the SB with Warner, but IMO his handling of this situation has been horrible.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Sorry dude but he is the best coach this franchise has had AND the Kolb trade fiasco got the blessing of the GM as well although I think Whisenhunt's job is pinned to that IF he doesn't get a decent showing from the team this year. Funny but the best QB on their roster might be the rookie from San Diego State - Ryan Lindley ..............I wonder how long it is before he gets a chance to play
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Whisenhunt is a solid coach. He's certainly helped change the culture here. Would be a monumental mistake IMO to let him go.The most popular QB certainly has been the backup(s) as of late.Fix the O-line. Find a franchise QB hopefully. Not going to happen overnight. Or even soon.'Captain Hook said:
kutta
Footballguy
I'm a huge fan of Wiz. But I must say that I think his handling of the QB situations over the years has been very poor. Think about it. Matt Leinart actually beat out Kurt Warner. What the hell? The only reason Warner even played was because Leinart got hurt. Then we bring in Derek Anderson? And now this Kolb/Skelton fiasco?The front office bears a lot of the responsibility, but so does the head coach. I think he has problems evaluating QB's, and that doesn't bode well for the future of the franchise.
kutta
Footballguy
Are you going to start this again?We all know the line is horrible. But that doesn't mean the QB's aren't bad too.Both the line AND the QB's are horrible. With a better QB, it would mask some of the line problems (see Kurt Warner).
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Skelton might also grow into the role in a way I don't think Kolb can. Would love to see what happens if he gets another 20 starts.
Agree 100%. Skelton is incredibly raw, but has the size, arm, and toughness to be a starting QB. I'm not sure Kolb has any of those.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
ThisI think Kolb is much better when there is time to make a decision. Every time he drops back he is under pressure. I would try to make a move if I were another team with a better OL. Nothing against Skelton or your late round steal in FF, really I think he does show some moxie on the field, just don't think he is better than Kolb right now.'Abraham said:
JetMaxx
Footballguy
After watching the last 2 preseason games, #67 has no business being on an NFL roster let alone starting at LT. It will be a jailbreak on Skelton and I would be shocked if he makes it to week 3 in one piece. For the Cards to draft a WR in rd 1 and not address the train wreck of an OL before the middle of rd 4 or in FA was a flat out death wish.
Football Jones
Footballguy
They made the right decision. Kolb simply doesn't have it. At least Skelton has enough tools to be a successful NFL QB. He could really surprise. If not, they go get their QB in the draft next year.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
What the hell, guys! Think about this for a minute. Imagine you are actually the coach of an NFL club. I mean for real. You come in at 6:00 a.m., work your ### off all day, and don't leave till midnight. You aren't spending anytime with your family during the season. And you know that if you don't win, you lose your job...which makes it hard to provide for your family. You really think you're going to start the guy who you think doesn't give you the best shot to win on Sunday? It's silly when you think about it. Even the crappiest coaches want to win in a bad way on Sunday. They're just not good at it despite their efforts.NFL coaches don't have the luxury of starting QB's based on salary concerns. And they can't afford to leave wins on the table in deference to some Machiavellian strategy to save face with the fans. If Whiz thinks Skelton is better, he starts Skelton. Why? Because he wants to keep his job. And wins have a funny way of helping that cause. And you'd do the same thing.It's really not that complicated.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Kolb's scared of his own shadow. O-line is going to be a problem all year (expect a lot of Jeff King and Todd Heap blocking). He made numerous piss poor throws under no pressure whatsoever this preseason. A couple reads that a high school should be able to make.
Correct call made here. Kolb will make starts this year. He's a terrified child back there and really wouldn't surprise if he didn't last the season in AZ.
Correct call made here. Kolb will make starts this year. He's a terrified child back there and really wouldn't surprise if he didn't last the season in AZ.
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msommer
Footballguy
Making your boss look bad, you know, the one who made the deal and handed over the millions to scaredy cat is also not good for your immediate career track. So, yeah, it is a bit more complicated since you have to convince your boss to own up to his costly mistake
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People act like Kolb has had years of opportunity and 30+ starts, when he's had less than one season, most of it behind a porous O-Line.I like some of what Skelton's shown and think he's got some promise. I don't think people are necessarily over-selling Skelton as much as under-selling Kolb. Regardless, Skelton is bigger and stringer and is clearly able to withstand the pressure a little better at this point...he probably should start until the line gets addressed, but I still think KK has the brighter future.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I may have gambled of Kolb had he won just to see what happens. Thought he was primed to have a big season two years in a row but concussion really did him in(and backup QB's). In all fairness once Kolb got some rhythm this preseason he played better than Skelton, wouldn't have been a debate had he not thrown those 2 idiot int's the 3rd preseason game. Skelton played good when he started last year but he is too much of a gambler for me, that's a problem when your have accuracy issues. Maybe a spot starter giving the right matchup but I'm avoiding the Arizona passing game as a whole now. Sux because Andre Roberts is a beast but I doubt he sees the ball now, same with Housler.
kutta
Footballguy
Kevin Kolb will have trouble ever starting another NFL game. He might get a chance if Skelton flops, but that would only be temporary. Kolb is destined to be a 2nd/3rd stringer for the rest of his career. See Matt Leinart.
kutta
Footballguy
Andre Roberts is not a beast. Not at all.He is a three WR playing the two spot in AZ for awhile. He will never be a one.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Kevin Kolb will have trouble ever starting another NFL game. He might get a chance if Skelton flops, but that would only be temporary. Kolb is destined to be a 2nd/3rd stringer for the rest of his career. See Matt Leinart.
I expect him to start at some point this year. Skelton is bound to struggle at some point. I simply don't think Skelton will ever be consistent enough to viewed as a long term NFL starter. The decision was made yesterday that Kevin Kolb isn't the long term or even immediate future of the Cardinals. He's now failed to gain the confidence of two different staffs. The confidence that he was the best solution at their QB spot. Give him a pass for Michael Vick, but now we're talking getting passed over by John Skelton. He's 28 years old. He's failed to impress in camp/games for the past year+. He's squandered the two biggest opportunities in his career. Most guys (unless highly touted coming into league) don't even get two. No shot IMO another starting job's handed on a silver platter for him.If Kolb begins to chirp about being the backup at any point, I wouldn't be shocked if he were cut if/when they think Lindley can handle being the backup duties.
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Nice read of Warner's thoughts on Kolb. Agree 100% with his analysis here. The game simply isn't slowing down for Kolb. Which at now 28 years old, you wonder if it ever will. He simply can't handle the rush. NFL QB's don't have the luxury of always playing with a 'clean pocket'. The ones that do, are usually playing in a rec league somewhere.
Warner link: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/kurt-warner-add-thoughts-kevin-kolb-mess-not-153953155--nfl.html
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Beast and Andre Roberts don't belong in the same sentence. He's stretched as a WR2. Problem he's going to run into short and long term (besides Floyd) is Doucet is also a solid WR3.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Maybe slow down those DEs from the opposition?Where would you rank D'Anthony Batiste against the other 31 starting Left Tackles in the NFL?'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
He's now failed to gain the confidence of two different staffs. The confidence that he was the best solution at their QB spot. Give him a pass for Michael Vick, but now we're talking getting passed over by John Skelton. He's 28 years old. He's failed to impress in camp/games for the past year+. He's squandered the two biggest opportunities in his career. Most guys (unless highly touted coming into league) don't even get two. No shot IMO another starting job's handed on a silver platter for him.
If Kolb begins to chirp about being the backup at any point, I wouldn't be shocked if he were cut if/when they think Lindley can handle being the backup duties.
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Nice read of Warner's thoughts on Kolb. Agree 100% with his analysis here. The game simply isn't slowing down for Kolb. Which at now 28 years old, you wonder if it ever will. He simply can't handle the rush. NFL QB's don't have the luxury of always playing with a 'clean pocket'. The ones that do, are usually playing in a rec league somewhere.
Warner link: http://sports.yahoo....53155--nfl.html
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Beast and Andre Roberts don't belong in the same sentence. He's stretched as a WR2. Problem he's going to run into short and long term (besides Floyd) is Doucet is also a solid WR3.
Where would you rank Bobby Massie against the other 31 starting Right Tackles in the NFL?
kutta
Footballguy
MOP, serious question. Did you watch many Cardinal games last year?Maybe slow down those DEs from the opposition?Where would you rank D'Anthony Batiste against the other 31 starting Left Tackles in the NFL?'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
He's now failed to gain the confidence of two different staffs. The confidence that he was the best solution at their QB spot. Give him a pass for Michael Vick, but now we're talking getting passed over by John Skelton. He's 28 years old. He's failed to impress in camp/games for the past year+. He's squandered the two biggest opportunities in his career. Most guys (unless highly touted coming into league) don't even get two. No shot IMO another starting job's handed on a silver platter for him.
If Kolb begins to chirp about being the backup at any point, I wouldn't be shocked if he were cut if/when they think Lindley can handle being the backup duties.
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Nice read of Warner's thoughts on Kolb. Agree 100% with his analysis here. The game simply isn't slowing down for Kolb. Which at now 28 years old, you wonder if it ever will. He simply can't handle the rush. NFL QB's don't have the luxury of always playing with a 'clean pocket'. The ones that do, are usually playing in a rec league somewhere.
Warner link: http://sports.yahoo....53155--nfl.html
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Beast and Andre Roberts don't belong in the same sentence. He's stretched as a WR2. Problem he's going to run into short and long term (besides Floyd) is Doucet is also a solid WR3.
Where would you rank Bobby Massie against the other 31 starting Right Tackles in the NFL?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Fitz owner, plenty.You didn't answer mine.MOP, serious question. Did you watch many Cardinal games last year?Maybe slow down those DEs from the opposition?Where would you rank D'Anthony Batiste against the other 31 starting Left Tackles in the NFL?'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
He's now failed to gain the confidence of two different staffs. The confidence that he was the best solution at their QB spot. Give him a pass for Michael Vick, but now we're talking getting passed over by John Skelton. He's 28 years old. He's failed to impress in camp/games for the past year+. He's squandered the two biggest opportunities in his career. Most guys (unless highly touted coming into league) don't even get two. No shot IMO another starting job's handed on a silver platter for him.
If Kolb begins to chirp about being the backup at any point, I wouldn't be shocked if he were cut if/when they think Lindley can handle being the backup duties.
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Nice read of Warner's thoughts on Kolb. Agree 100% with his analysis here. The game simply isn't slowing down for Kolb. Which at now 28 years old, you wonder if it ever will. He simply can't handle the rush. NFL QB's don't have the luxury of always playing with a 'clean pocket'. The ones that do, are usually playing in a rec league somewhere.
Warner link: http://sports.yahoo....53155--nfl.html
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Beast and Andre Roberts don't belong in the same sentence. He's stretched as a WR2. Problem he's going to run into short and long term (besides Floyd) is Doucet is also a solid WR3.
Where would you rank Bobby Massie against the other 31 starting Right Tackles in the NFL?
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kutta
Footballguy
And you didn't see his skittishness in the pocket last year? It's not just these new offensive linemen. It happens every time he plays.Fitz owner, plenty.MOP, serious question. Did you watch many Cardinal games last year?Maybe slow down those DEs from the opposition?Where would you rank D'Anthony Batiste against the other 31 starting Left Tackles in the NFL?'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
He's now failed to gain the confidence of two different staffs. The confidence that he was the best solution at their QB spot. Give him a pass for Michael Vick, but now we're talking getting passed over by John Skelton. He's 28 years old. He's failed to impress in camp/games for the past year+. He's squandered the two biggest opportunities in his career. Most guys (unless highly touted coming into league) don't even get two. No shot IMO another starting job's handed on a silver platter for him.
If Kolb begins to chirp about being the backup at any point, I wouldn't be shocked if he were cut if/when they think Lindley can handle being the backup duties.
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Nice read of Warner's thoughts on Kolb. Agree 100% with his analysis here. The game simply isn't slowing down for Kolb. Which at now 28 years old, you wonder if it ever will. He simply can't handle the rush. NFL QB's don't have the luxury of always playing with a 'clean pocket'. The ones that do, are usually playing in a rec league somewhere.
Warner link: http://sports.yahoo....53155--nfl.html
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Beast and Andre Roberts don't belong in the same sentence. He's stretched as a WR2. Problem he's going to run into short and long term (besides Floyd) is Doucet is also a solid WR3.
Where would you rank Bobby Massie against the other 31 starting Right Tackles in the NFL?
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Apparently, "Kolb is under pressure EVERY snap"And you didn't see his skittishness in the pocket last year? It's not just these new offensive linemen. It happens every time he plays.Fitz owner, plenty.MOP, serious question. Did you watch many Cardinal games last year?Maybe slow down those DEs from the opposition?Where would you rank D'Anthony Batiste against the other 31 starting Left Tackles in the NFL?'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
He's now failed to gain the confidence of two different staffs. The confidence that he was the best solution at their QB spot. Give him a pass for Michael Vick, but now we're talking getting passed over by John Skelton. He's 28 years old. He's failed to impress in camp/games for the past year+. He's squandered the two biggest opportunities in his career. Most guys (unless highly touted coming into league) don't even get two. No shot IMO another starting job's handed on a silver platter for him.
If Kolb begins to chirp about being the backup at any point, I wouldn't be shocked if he were cut if/when they think Lindley can handle being the backup duties.
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Nice read of Warner's thoughts on Kolb. Agree 100% with his analysis here. The game simply isn't slowing down for Kolb. Which at now 28 years old, you wonder if it ever will. He simply can't handle the rush. NFL QB's don't have the luxury of always playing with a 'clean pocket'. The ones that do, are usually playing in a rec league somewhere.
Warner link: http://sports.yahoo....53155--nfl.html
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Beast and Andre Roberts don't belong in the same sentence. He's stretched as a WR2. Problem he's going to run into short and long term (besides Floyd) is Doucet is also a solid WR3.
Where would you rank Bobby Massie against the other 31 starting Right Tackles in the NFL?
Quality insight....
Ignoramus
Footballguy
Playing behind the same O-Line, Skelton looked better.AndMaybe slow down those DEs from the opposition?Where would you rank D'Anthony Batiste against the other 31 starting Left Tackles in the NFL?'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
He's now failed to gain the confidence of two different staffs. The confidence that he was the best solution at their QB spot. Give him a pass for Michael Vick, but now we're talking getting passed over by John Skelton. He's 28 years old. He's failed to impress in camp/games for the past year+. He's squandered the two biggest opportunities in his career. Most guys (unless highly touted coming into league) don't even get two. No shot IMO another starting job's handed on a silver platter for him.
If Kolb begins to chirp about being the backup at any point, I wouldn't be shocked if he were cut if/when they think Lindley can handle being the backup duties.
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Nice read of Warner's thoughts on Kolb. Agree 100% with his analysis here. The game simply isn't slowing down for Kolb. Which at now 28 years old, you wonder if it ever will. He simply can't handle the rush. NFL QB's don't have the luxury of always playing with a 'clean pocket'. The ones that do, are usually playing in a rec league somewhere.
Warner link: http://sports.yahoo....53155--nfl.html
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Beast and Andre Roberts don't belong in the same sentence. He's stretched as a WR2. Problem he's going to run into short and long term (besides Floyd) is Doucet is also a solid WR3.
Where would you rank Bobby Massie against the other 31 starting Right Tackles in the NFL?
at people saying Kolb didn't get a fair chance... he got reps with the first team in camp in addition to his starts and couldn't win the job. He's had his chance.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Remember when they started Matt Lienart over Kurt Warner? Then Kurt Warner plays Like the HOF'er he should be and then Whis and company are considered good coaches. Why would you think they even know what the right decision is? 
Even the way they handled the competition was dumb. Compare them to Seattle who was throwing the ball twice as much and gave a good amount of time per game to Flynn and Wilson to evaluate each player. On the other hand Kolb and Skelton was throwing 6 passes each a game, the sad part is they played an extra game And still didn't get it right lol.
Even the way they handled the competition was dumb. Compare them to Seattle who was throwing the ball twice as much and gave a good amount of time per game to Flynn and Wilson to evaluate each player. On the other hand Kolb and Skelton was throwing 6 passes each a game, the sad part is they played an extra game And still didn't get it right lol.
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
How are the AZ Kolb haters liking the win?
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
The AZ win is as awesome as double quoting and good posting your self.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Bitter Skelton ownerThe AZ win is as awesome as double quoting and good posting your self.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Bitter Skelton ownerThe AZ win is as awesome as double quoting and good posting your self.
Is that better? AZ/Kolb is 2-0, let the quiet haters disappear.
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