Skelton vs Kolb (1 Viewer)

[ShaHBucks]

Mildly shocking. Doesn't change the fact that they will both get their chance and they will both get killed behind that line.

ThisI think Kolb is much better when there is time to make a decision. Every time he drops back he is under pressure. I would try to make a move if I were another team with a better OL.

Nothing against Skelton or your late round steal in FF, really I think he does show some moxie on the field, just don't think he is better than Kolb right now.

People act like Kolb has had years of opportunity and 30+ starts, when he's had less than one season, most of it behind a porous O-Line.I like some of what Skelton's shown and think he's got some promise. I don't think people are necessarily over-selling Skelton as much as under-selling Kolb. Regardless, Skelton is bigger and stringer and is clearly able to withstand the pressure a little better at this point...he probably should start until the line gets addressed, but I still think KK has the brighter future.

John Skelton will have trouble ever starting another NFL game. He might get a chance if Kolb flops, but that would only be temporary. John Skelton is destined to be a 2nd/3rd stringer for the rest of his career. See Derrick Anderson.

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[ShaHBucks]

You would rather lose and have Fitzgerald be a fantasy stud lol. Might actually make a playoff run now that you have a starting QB.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I expect him to start at some point this year. Skelton is bound to struggle at some point. I simply don't think Skelton will ever be consistent enough to viewed as a long term NFL starter. The decision was made yesterday that Kevin Kolb isn't the long term or even immediate future of the Cardinals.

He's now failed to gain the confidence of two different staffs. The confidence that he was the best solution at their QB spot. Give him a pass for Michael Vick, but now we're talking getting passed over by John Skelton. He's 28 years old. He's failed to impress in camp/games for the past year+. He's squandered the two biggest opportunities in his career. Most guys (unless highly touted coming into league) don't even get two. No shot IMO another starting job's handed on a silver platter for him.

If Kolb begins to chirp about being the backup at any point, I wouldn't be shocked if he were cut if/when they think Lindley can handle being the backup duties.

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Nice read of Warner's thoughts on Kolb. Agree 100% with his analysis here. The game simply isn't slowing down for Kolb. Which at now 28 years old, you wonder if it ever will. He simply can't handle the rush. NFL QB's don't have the luxury of always playing with a 'clean pocket'. The ones that do, are usually playing in a rec league somewhere.

Warner link: http://sports.yahoo....53155--nfl.html

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Beast and Andre Roberts don't belong in the same sentence. He's stretched as a WR2. Problem he's going to run into short and long term (besides Floyd) is Doucet is also a solid WR3.

Maybe slow down those DEs from the opposition?Where would you rank D'Anthony Batiste against the other 31 starting Left Tackles in the NFL?

Where would you rank Bobby Massie against the other 31 starting Right Tackles in the NFL?

MOP, serious question. Did you watch many Cardinal games last year?

Can I ask you the same question now? Good for you guys Kutta, got nothing against the players, hate Bidwell but I appreciate what they are doing. No one picked them to start 2-0.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Mildly shocking. Doesn't change the fact that they will both get their chance and they will both get killed behind that line.

ThisI think Kolb is much better when there is time to make a decision. Every time he drops back he is under pressure. I would try to make a move if I were another team with a better OL. Nothing against Skelton or your late round steal in FF, really I think he does show some moxie on the field, just don't think he is better than Kolb right now.

People act like Kolb has had years of opportunity and 30+ starts, when he's had less than one season, most of it behind a porous O-Line.I like some of what Skelton's shown and think he's got some promise. I don't think people are necessarily over-selling Skelton as much as under-selling Kolb. Regardless, Skelton is bigger and stringer and is clearly able to withstand the pressure a little better at this point...he probably should start until the line gets addressed, but I still think KK has the brighter future.

 

[renesauz]

You would rather lose and have Fitzgerald be a fantasy stud lol. Might actually make a playoff run now that you have a starting QB.

I've been pretty vocally suportive of Kolb around here...but let's not get carried away. That O-Line is still a hot mess, and neither of these young QBs is good enough at this point to lead the Cardinals to the post-season. I like Kolb a lot, but he's still pretty inexperienced and too often shaky in a collapsing pocket. I'm just looking for steady growth and a solid QB2 by next year.Some folks are making the same mistake they did with Skelton last year: giving the QB too much credit for a W and too much blame for a L.

 

[ShaHBucks]

You would rather lose and have Fitzgerald be a fantasy stud lol. Might actually make a playoff run now that you have a starting QB.

I've been pretty vocally suportive of Kolb around here...but let's not get carried away. That O-Line is still a hot mess, and neither of these young QBs is good enough at this point to lead the Cardinals to the post-season. I like Kolb a lot, but he's still pretty inexperienced and too often shaky in a collapsing pocket. I'm just looking for steady growth and a solid QB2 by next year.

I meant a run for the playoffs. sry about that

 

[JetMaxx]

Awesome.

Surprisingly this clown is nowhere to be found.

 

[JetMaxx]

Kolb's scared of his own shadow. O-line is going to be a problem all year (expect a lot of Jeff King and Todd Heap blocking). He made numerous piss poor throws under no pressure whatsoever this preseason. A couple reads that a high school should be able to make. Correct call made here. Kolb will make starts this year. He's a terrified child back there and really wouldn't surprise if he didn't last the season in AZ.

Please come out and play Craig, this thread is no fun without you.

 

[kutta]

I expect him to start at some point this year. Skelton is bound to struggle at some point. I simply don't think Skelton will ever be consistent enough to viewed as a long term NFL starter. The decision was made yesterday that Kevin Kolb isn't the long term or even immediate future of the Cardinals.

He's now failed to gain the confidence of two different staffs. The confidence that he was the best solution at their QB spot. Give him a pass for Michael Vick, but now we're talking getting passed over by John Skelton. He's 28 years old. He's failed to impress in camp/games for the past year+. He's squandered the two biggest opportunities in his career. Most guys (unless highly touted coming into league) don't even get two. No shot IMO another starting job's handed on a silver platter for him.

If Kolb begins to chirp about being the backup at any point, I wouldn't be shocked if he were cut if/when they think Lindley can handle being the backup duties.

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Nice read of Warner's thoughts on Kolb. Agree 100% with his analysis here. The game simply isn't slowing down for Kolb. Which at now 28 years old, you wonder if it ever will. He simply can't handle the rush. NFL QB's don't have the luxury of always playing with a 'clean pocket'. The ones that do, are usually playing in a rec league somewhere.

Warner link: http://sports.yahoo....53155--nfl.html

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Beast and Andre Roberts don't belong in the same sentence. He's stretched as a WR2. Problem he's going to run into short and long term (besides Floyd) is Doucet is also a solid WR3.

Maybe slow down those DEs from the opposition?Where would you rank D'Anthony Batiste against the other 31 starting Left Tackles in the NFL?

Where would you rank Bobby Massie against the other 31 starting Right Tackles in the NFL?

MOP, serious question. Did you watch many Cardinal games last year?

Can I ask you the same question now? Good for you guys Kutta, got nothing against the players, hate Bidwell but I appreciate what they are doing. No one picked them to start 2-0.

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I'm happy for the wins. Kolb actually played pretty well, though he missed some wide open plays too.We'll see how this plays out, but I'll gladly come back in here in six weeks and say I was wrong if the Cards have some wins and Kolb is starting.

 

[renesauz]

Could be a rough week 3 for the Cards though. Philly looks like a nightmare matchup.

 

[JetMaxx]

Could be a rough week 3 for the Cards though. Philly looks like a nightmare matchup.

Agree. On the surface that OL doesn't stand a chance against the Eagles' DL although stranger things have happened. Either way the Kolb is a little girl MIA crowd needs to come out and face the music.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Could be a rough week 3 for the Cards though. Philly looks like a nightmare matchup.

Vick will keep the cards in the game. John Skelton beat us last year

 

[ShaHBucks]

Bump

 

[JetMaxx]

Kolb's scared of his own shadow. O-line is going to be a problem all year (expect a lot of Jeff King and Todd Heap blocking). He made numerous piss poor throws under no pressure whatsoever this preseason. A couple reads that a high school should be able to make. Correct call made here. Kolb will make starts this year. He's a terrified child back there and really wouldn't surprise if he didn't last the season in AZ.

Please come out and play Craig, this thread is no fun without you.

After going MIA, who is the terrified child now Craig? Scared of your own shadow?

 

[JetMaxx]

Craig please step up and join the party..

 

[ShaHBucks]

I may have gambled of Kolb had he won just to see what happens. Thought he was primed to have a big season two years in a row but concussion really did him in(and backup QB's). In all fairness once Kolb got some rhythm this preseason he played better than Skelton, wouldn't have been a debate had he not thrown those 2 idiot int's the 3rd preseason game. Skelton played good when he started last year but he is too much of a gambler for me, that's a problem when your have accuracy issues. Maybe a spot starter giving the right matchup but I'm avoiding the Arizona passing game as a whole now. Sux because Andre Roberts is a beast but I doubt he sees the ball now, same with Housler.

Andre Roberts is not a beast. Not at all.He is a three WR playing the two spot in AZ for awhile. He will never be a one.

He's a beast

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Another season.

Same old Kolb.

He'll either agree to restructure or he won't be back.

Cards aren't paying him $11 mil next year to play half a season, average a putrid 6.4 Y/A and still complete less than 60% of his passes.

Look forward to finding a franchise QB.

Have a good season.

 

[Nucker101]

I don't see how you can fault Kolb entirely for his numbers and the fact that he got injured. He had the worst offensive line in the league and was running for his life on every other drop back. The running game couldn't get going either to take some pressure off of him. IMO he showed some real signs of being a solid, capable NFL starter this season when you consider everything. The Cardinals won't be a playoff team until they put together at least a half decent offensive line. It was only a matter of time before Kolb went down and I don't expect Skelton to do much better. At this point, they might want to consider bringing in a mobile QB that can run to maybe save their season. The defense should keep them competitive and is definitely the strength of their team and should be solid for years to come.

 

[kutta]

I may have gambled of Kolb had he won just to see what happens. Thought he was primed to have a big season two years in a row but concussion really did him in(and backup QB's). In all fairness once Kolb got some rhythm this preseason he played better than Skelton, wouldn't have been a debate had he not thrown those 2 idiot int's the 3rd preseason game. Skelton played good when he started last year but he is too much of a gambler for me, that's a problem when your have accuracy issues. Maybe a spot starter giving the right matchup but I'm avoiding the Arizona passing game as a whole now. Sux because Andre Roberts is a beast but I doubt he sees the ball now, same with Housler.

Andre Roberts is not a beast. Not at all.He is a three WR playing the two spot in AZ for awhile. He will never be a one.

He's a beast

He sure has been beastly the last two games.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I may have gambled of Kolb had he won just to see what happens. Thought he was primed to have a big season two years in a row but concussion really did him in(and backup QB's). In all fairness once Kolb got some rhythm this preseason he played better than Skelton, wouldn't have been a debate had he not thrown those 2 idiot int's the 3rd preseason game. Skelton played good when he started last year but he is too much of a gambler for me, that's a problem when your have accuracy issues. Maybe a spot starter giving the right matchup but I'm avoiding the Arizona passing game as a whole now. Sux because Andre Roberts is a beast but I doubt he sees the ball now, same with Housler.

Andre Roberts is not a beast. Not at all.He is a three WR playing the two spot in AZ for awhile. He will never be a one.

He's a beast

He sure has been beastly the last two games.

Ranked 13th with Kolb and Skelton throwing the rock

 

[JuniorNB]

I may have gambled of Kolb had he won just to see what happens. Thought he was primed to have a big season two years in a row but concussion really did him in(and backup QB's). In all fairness once Kolb got some rhythm this preseason he played better than Skelton, wouldn't have been a debate had he not thrown those 2 idiot int's the 3rd preseason game. Skelton played good when he started last year but he is too much of a gambler for me, that's a problem when your have accuracy issues. Maybe a spot starter giving the right matchup but I'm avoiding the Arizona passing game as a whole now. Sux because Andre Roberts is a beast but I doubt he sees the ball now, same with Housler.

Andre Roberts is not a beast. Not at all.He is a three WR playing the two spot in AZ for awhile. He will never be a one.

He's a beast

He sure has been beastly the last two games.

Ranked 13th with Kolb and Skelton throwing the rock

He's benefitting nicely from never having to be double-teamed or covered by the opponent's best cornerback. Hopefully, his good play will result in teams needing to pay a little attention to him, freeing up Fitz to be the beast that he is.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Was just checking out some stuff on Skelton and noticed it looked like they played a murderers row of defenses, so I looked up the passer rating allowed for each of the defenses Skelton has played or will play as a starter this year. He faces a top five passing defense an unbelievable six times in ten starts, and doesn't play a single team currently in the bottom quarter of the league:

#1 Bears

#2 49ers

#2 49ers

#4 Seattle

#4 Seattle

#5 Jets

#8 Green Bay

#18 St. Louis

#22 Lions

#23 Vikings

 

[renesauz]

So.....can we put this to bed? Skelton got benched for a 6th round rookie.