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Slap in the face of Jamaal Charles.... (1 Viewer)

WiDDoW_MaKeR

WiDDoW_MaKeR

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What a slap in the face. Jamaal Charles runs better than anyone in the national football league for a year and a half... and they refuse to put him over Thomas Jones on the depth chart or really give him the reigns as a feature back. Jackie Battle has one decent game against one of the worst run defenses in football... and they name him the feature back. That's just horrible. Especially after watching Jamaal outperform Thomas Jones week after week... not only did he outperform Jones, he outperformed EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE on a per touch basis.

I'm not saying they are wrong for putting Battle in over Jones... they clearly got that one right. I am just saying... what on earth were they watching over the last year and a half?

 
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'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
'Sea Duck said:
You don't think it's possible that Thomas Jones was better then than he is now?
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More likely that Jackie Battle has been the best back in KC all along the last few years.
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If this is true than haley is more of a dolt than most think.i don't think this is true though. Battle has his own injury history and nothing special imo. I would wager he has a very mediocre showing sunday. Oaklands gonna roll them even with boller playing qb.
 
'WiDDoW_MaKeR said:
What a slap in the face. Jamaal Charles runs better than anyone in the national football league for a year and a half... and they refuse to put him over Thomas Jones on the depth chart or really give him the reigns as a feature back. Jackie Battle has one decent game against one of the worst run defenses in football... and they name him the feature back. That's just horrible. Especially after watching Jamaal outperform Thomas Jones week after week... not only did he outperform Jones, he outperformed EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE on a per touch basis. I'm not saying they are wrong for putting Battle in over Jones... they clearly got that one right. I am just saying... what on earth were they watching over the last year and a half?
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I was thinking the same thing.
 
Us Jackie Battle owners were rolling our eyes in 2007 and 2008 watching Larry Johnson plod along.

Had KC just ended the Charles/Jones experiment before the year, Battle would be on pace for a 2000+ total yard season.

We've waited our time. Time to hear our Battle cry.

 
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'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
They didn't think Charles was durable enough. And they were right. Haley wins.
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This is why I can't read threads here anymore.The guy slips running our of bounds and has a freak ACL injury.Yeah not durable enough.Moronic posts abound everywhere here.Later.
 
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'Todem said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
They didn't think Charles was durable enough. And they were right. Haley wins.
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This is wy I can't read threads here anymore.The guy slips running our of bounds and has a freak ACL injury.Yeah not durable enough.Moronic posts abound everywhere here.Later.
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Exactly. That injury had nothing to do with durability. That's why I post less and less in here as time and the inanity goes on.
 
the injury has nothing to do with the question . . .

Battle is 235-240 - what is Charles, 200??

common sense . . .

 
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
'Sea Duck said:
You don't think it's possible that Thomas Jones was better then than he is now?
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You just can't rationalize with Charles owners. It's been shown time and time again.
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Please show everyone the light, Pastor.last 4 yrs, 5.3 / 5.9 / 6.4 / 6.9 yards per carry.I don't own the guy in any league. So I have no bias. But PLEASE explain to us all, oh wise one, how Charles is in any way, shape or form, outplayed by Jones or Battle.Thanks,Reality.
 
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
They didn't think Charles was durable enough. And they were right. Haley wins.
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Because Jamaal had a freak accident occur as he leaped out of bounds and blew his ACL out while slipping on a first down marker? That proves durability? Pretty weak case. Jamaal had already proven that he could carry the load at the tail end of 2009... and every game that he was given the opportunity in 2010. What it shows was that Haley was willing to sabotage his own team in order to pretend like he was doing the right thing. They lost many close games that they could have won last year by yanking out Charles while he was hot and letting Thomas Jones stall out their momentum.
 
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'WiDDoW_MaKeR said:
What a slap in the face. Jamaal Charles runs better than anyone in the national football league for a year and a half... and they refuse to put him over Thomas Jones on the depth chart or really give him the reigns as a feature back. Jackie Battle has one decent game against one of the worst run defenses in football... and they name him the feature back. That's just horrible. Especially after watching Jamaal outperform Thomas Jones week after week... not only did he outperform Jones, he outperformed EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE on a per touch basis. I'm not saying they are wrong for putting Battle in over Jones... they clearly got that one right. I am just saying... what on earth were they watching over the last year and a half?
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Agree with this completely and said as much in a different thread. I own Charles and Battle, Haley's decision to 'ride' battle and split carries with JC and TJ really leaves me scratching my head.
 
'WiDDoW_MaKeR said:
What a slap in the face. Jamaal Charles runs better than anyone in the national football league for a year and a half... and they refuse to put him over Thomas Jones on the depth chart or really give him the reigns as a feature back. Jackie Battle has one decent game against one of the worst run defenses in football... and they name him the feature back. That's just horrible. Especially after watching Jamaal outperform Thomas Jones week after week... not only did he outperform Jones, he outperformed EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE on a per touch basis. I'm not saying they are wrong for putting Battle in over Jones... they clearly got that one right. I am just saying... what on earth were they watching over the last year and a half?
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This post could possibly be interpreted as a slight to Battle. If that's the case, and if the contents make their way to Jackie, you and your family are in my prayers.
 
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
Us Jackie Battle owners were rolling our eyes in 2007 and 2008 watching Larry Johnson plod along. Had KC just ended the Charles/Jones experiment before the year, Battle would be on pace for a 2000+ total yard season.We've waited our time. Time to hear our Battle cry.
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:thumbup: :lmao:
 
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
Us Jackie Battle owners were rolling our eyes in 2007 and 2008 watching Larry Johnson plod along. Had KC just ended the Charles/Jones experiment before the year, Battle would be on pace for a 2000+ total yard season.We've waited our time. Time to hear our Battle cry.
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classic response . . .i thought the OP was joking when I frist opened the thread . . .
 
'TheFanatic said:
'Todem said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
They didn't think Charles was durable enough. And they were right. Haley wins.
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This is wy I can't read threads here anymore.The guy slips running our of bounds and has a freak ACL injury.Yeah not durable enough.Moronic posts abound everywhere here.Later.
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Exactly. That injury had nothing to do with durability. That's why I post less and less in here as time and the inanity goes on.
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Agreed. SP is getting too popular. Time for a subscribers-only forum. Or time to find the next forum.
 
It did take Haley a while to give Charles the starting job, especially after bringing Jones in. But these days Haley doesn't have much of a choice. Jones can't do it anymore. McCluster can't do it to begin with and Charles is on IR. What else is he going to do?

 
'jackdubl said:
'TheFanatic said:
'Todem said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
They didn't think Charles was durable enough. And they were right. Haley wins.
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This is wy I can't read threads here anymore.The guy slips running our of bounds and has a freak ACL injury.Yeah not durable enough.Moronic posts abound everywhere here.Later.
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Exactly. That injury had nothing to do with durability. That's why I post less and less in here as time and the inanity goes on.
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Agreed. SP is getting too popular. Time for a subscribers-only forum. Or time to find the next forum.
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eh, just be quicker with the banhammer. just cuz shoulda been permaed like 2 months ago. sudoku should get a short timeout for this little patroll.
 
Chiefs homer here...

Haley has used Charles perfectly since he's been the head coach. Charles is very small and while his performances can't be denied, he does get dinged up a lot and has to come off the field from time to time. Charles has a shoulder that has been slipping out of place since he was in high school and he had to have shoulder surgery before the 2010 season. I've watched every game that Charles has played for the Chiefs and IMO there is NO WAY he could handle 300-350 carries per season. He would break down.

Although it was with Herm Edwards as coach, but the Chiefs were also the team that fed the ball to LJ over 400 times during one season only to watch him never be the same player again after that amount of carries

When Thomas Jones came to the Chiefs, he was pretty decent and took a lot of wear and tear off of Charles, but as the season progressed his play declined sharply.

Haley feels more comfortable giving Battle the majority of carries due to this size. This is not a knock on Charles in anyway. Mostly everyone that watches the Chiefs on a regular basic knows that Charles is being used correctly and the only people that want to see him get more carries are fantasy football owners.

 
'Abstract said:
Chiefs homer here...Haley has used Charles perfectly since he's been the head coach. Charles is very small and while his performances can't be denied, he does get dinged up a lot and has to come off the field from time to time. Charles has a shoulder that has been slipping out of place since he was in high school and he had to have shoulder surgery before the 2010 season. I've watched every game that Charles has played for the Chiefs and IMO there is NO WAY he could handle 300-350 carries per season. He would break down.Although it was with Herm Edwards as coach, but the Chiefs were also the team that fed the ball to LJ over 400 times during one season only to watch him never be the same player again after that amount of carries When Thomas Jones came to the Chiefs, he was pretty decent and took a lot of wear and tear off of Charles, but as the season progressed his play declined sharply.Haley feels more comfortable giving Battle the majority of carries due to this size. This is not a knock on Charles in anyway. Mostly everyone that watches the Chiefs on a regular basic knows that Charles is being used correctly and the only people that want to see him get more carries are fantasy football owners.
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Excellent post.
 
'Abstract said:
Chiefs homer here...Haley has used Charles perfectly since he's been the head coach. Charles is very small and while his performances can't be denied, he does get dinged up a lot and has to come off the field from time to time. Charles has a shoulder that has been slipping out of place since he was in high school and he had to have shoulder surgery before the 2010 season. I've watched every game that Charles has played for the Chiefs and IMO there is NO WAY he could handle 300-350 carries per season. He would break down.Although it was with Herm Edwards as coach, but the Chiefs were also the team that fed the ball to LJ over 400 times during one season only to watch him never be the same player again after that amount of carries When Thomas Jones came to the Chiefs, he was pretty decent and took a lot of wear and tear off of Charles, but as the season progressed his play declined sharply.Haley feels more comfortable giving Battle the majority of carries due to this size. This is not a knock on Charles in anyway. Mostly everyone that watches the Chiefs on a regular basic knows that Charles is being used correctly and the only people that want to see him get more carries are fantasy football owners.
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seriously . . . post of the month . . .
 
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'Abstract said:
Mostly everyone that watches the Chiefs on a regular basic knows that Charles is being used correctly and the only people that want to see him get more carries are fantasy football owners.
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:yes:Was getting to the point around here where after every Jones carry, you'd have someone asking "Where's Charles?? *#*##& Haley".
 
'cvnpoka said:
why did he get 161 carries and 23 catches in the final 8 games of 09? why didnt he fall apart that yr?
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Well you just basically answered your own question. It was the "final 8 games of 09" not the entire season. And as I mentioned in my earlier post, after that season was over, Charles had to have shoulder surgery.
 
'Abstract said:
'cvnpoka said:
why did he get 161 carries and 23 catches in the final 8 games of 09? why didnt he fall apart that yr?
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Well you just basically answered your own question. It was the "final 8 games of 09" not the entire season. And as I mentioned in my earlier post, after that season was over, Charles had to have shoulder surgery.
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well, surely if he can withstand that workload over 8 games, he was underused the following yr. you said the shoulder injury was from high school? now you attribute it to his 20+ touch per game workload.
 
'Abstract said:
'cvnpoka said:
why did he get 161 carries and 23 catches in the final 8 games of 09? why didnt he fall apart that yr?
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Well you just basically answered your own question. It was the "final 8 games of 09" not the entire season. And as I mentioned in my earlier post, after that season was over, Charles had to have shoulder surgery.
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Because he didnt get significant play time the first 8 games of 09?
 
'coachbobbyfinstock said:
'WiDDoW_MaKeR said:
What a slap in the face. Jamaal Charles runs better than anyone in the national football league for a year and a half... and they refuse to put him over Thomas Jones on the depth chart or really give him the reigns as a feature back. Jackie Battle has one decent game against one of the worst run defenses in football... and they name him the feature back. That's just horrible. Especially after watching Jamaal outperform Thomas Jones week after week... not only did he outperform Jones, he outperformed EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE on a per touch basis. I'm not saying they are wrong for putting Battle in over Jones... they clearly got that one right. I am just saying... what on earth were they watching over the last year and a half?
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Agree with this completely and said as much in a different thread. I own Charles and Battle, Haley's decision to 'ride' battle and split carries with JC and TJ really leaves me scratching my head.
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I see it kind of this way....Jones and Battle are basically the same type runner (ie a power runner). Jones and Charles were never really in that same role - Charles was always, and mean always the better back, just not the same as a power guy. So now Haley basically has two "power backs" and he's made the decision to go with the younger guy - thus the naming of Battle as the starter. I think Charles should have always been the starter and named as such, but I also think the progression to Battle being named starter vs. Jones was more a function of having moved on from Jones than love for Battle. I don't see it as a slap to Charles now. It could be viewed as a slap when Jones was named the starter instead of Charles, but the Battle thing now over Jones I don't think should be construed as a slap on Charles at all.
 
What is the point of this thread? It's a totally different situation. Charles didn't "start" before he got injured, but he still racked up 3300 total yards the last two years. That is a feature back. They won games, he produced huge and stayed healthy till the freak injury. I really doubt anyone sees Battle getting the depth chart nod as an insult to Charles.

 
'Todem said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
They didn't think Charles was durable enough. And they were right. Haley wins.
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This is why I can't read threads here anymore.The guy slips running our of bounds and has a freak ACL injury.Yeah not durable enough.Moronic posts abound everywhere here.Later.
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Todem. Wait
 
'cvnpoka said:
'jackdubl said:
'TheFanatic said:
'Todem said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
They didn't think Charles was durable enough. And they were right. Haley wins.
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This is wy I can't read threads here anymore.The guy slips running our of bounds and has a freak ACL injury.Yeah not durable enough.Moronic posts abound everywhere here.Later.
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Exactly. That injury had nothing to do with durability. That's why I post less and less in here as time and the inanity goes on.
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Agreed. SP is getting too popular. Time for a subscribers-only forum. Or time to find the next forum.
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eh, just be quicker with the banhammer. just cuz shoulda been permaed like 2 months ago. sudoku should get a short timeout for this little patroll.
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Are you seriously calling for bannings because you are simple enough to let a few trolls get under your skin?Speaking of bannings, what is your member name supposed to mean? :popcorn:
 
'rizzler said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
'Sea Duck said:
You don't think it's possible that Thomas Jones was better then than he is now?
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You just can't rationalize with Charles owners. It's been shown time and time again.
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Please show everyone the light, Pastor.last 4 yrs, 5.3 / 5.9 / 6.4 / 6.9 yards per carry.I don't own the guy in any league. So I have no bias. But PLEASE explain to us all, oh wise one, how Charles is in any way, shape or form, outplayed by Jones or Battle.Thanks,Reality.
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Throw out 2008 and 2011 since he only had 67 carries in 08 and 12 this year. In 09 and 10 he carried the ball 190 and 230 times respectively. Do you think his yards per attempt would have been 5.9 and 6.4 those seasons if he had 300+ carries? Maybe the reason he was so effective had something to do with getting an appropriate workload? Maybe it doesn't matter if they have Thomas Jones or Adrian peterson backing him up; it's quite possible his sweet spot is 12-15 carries a game.
 
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'JuniorNB said:
'cvnpoka said:
eh, just be quicker with the banhammer. just cuz shoulda been permaed like 2 months ago. sudoku should get a short timeout for this little patroll.
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Are you seriously calling for bannings because you are simple enough to let a few trolls get under your skin?Speaking of bannings, what is your member name supposed to mean? :popcorn:
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i think i am pretty good at ignoring them, but you cant deny the propensity to derail threads.
 
Battle had a nice game against Indy but are people really suggesting that he is better than Charles based on one performance against a terrible team?

Really?

 
'TheFanatic said:
'Todem said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
They didn't think Charles was durable enough. And they were right. Haley wins.
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This is wy I can't read threads here anymore.The guy slips running our of bounds and has a freak ACL injury.Yeah not durable enough.Moronic posts abound everywhere here.Later.
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Exactly. That injury had nothing to do with durability. That's why I post less and less in here as time and the inanity goes on.
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This seems a little dramatic. There are plenty of reasons not to post as much around here but this is not one of them.
 
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