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Snowpiercer - The Best Sci-Fi Movie Since Moon (1 Viewer)

So the metaphor of the train is not only about the class system where the rich people are in the front and the poor people are in the back, and people eating each other and the rich using them to replace broken machine parts and blah blah blah. It's also about the machine that keeps us all moving, and without that machine, without that rich guy in the front, everyone would die. And then the rich guy tells the teacher to teach the kids that when you leave the train, you die, because whether we think the system is fair or not, we all need it to survive. I get that.

But the part that got a bit muddied was when the gate opening drug guy blew up the door and knocked the train off the tracks. I don't know what they were trying to do there. Was he supposed to be a hero because he stopped the train? Was Captain Americas supposed to be a hero because he ripped his own arm off to save the kid? Or were these supposed to be futile actions that actually ended up hurting them? Even the final scene, when the train is derailed and most of the cars destroyed, and the dude and his daughter walk outside with their boots and coats and appear to be just fine... then they realize they're out in the middle of nowhere and there's a polar bear. Was the polar bear supposed to be beautiful and natural? Or terrifying and dangerous? Was the moral to the story that we all want to revolt against the system but if you do you'll screw everyone over and you'll probably get eaten by a ####### bear? Or was it that you too can be free if you use drugs and kill everyone you've ever known and bring down the system?

And after all the horse#### with captain america and wilfred and those kids, did they die? Or were they just not even important anymore once that dude got out of the train?

And don't get me started on super invincible guy who kills everyone, or them fighting an army of masked ninjas with axes and winning, or him putting his head against the barrel of a gun to test out whether it was loaded, or any of the other nonsense action. That was mildly entertaining, but as a popcorn movie, this thing fell even flatter to me.
 
It's on Netflix streaming now. Just watched it.

It was great.

I wouldn't recommend it to my friends that fancy themselves "critics", though. You know, the one's that can't immerse themselves in a movie and miss the point because they are too busy telling you what's "wrong" with each scenario.

I can see how some just wouldn't like it, though.

As far as bludgeoning you with the point, yes, it did with the main point. If you get into the more subtle points, it's interesting, like ctsu said - even the second time around. The guilt/regrets of a few of the main characters, the motivations of the secondary players, the microcosm of societal issues.

I enjoyed it.

 
Was excited to watch this based on some of the reviews here and elsewhere. I give it, like a few others in here, one big MEH.

 
It was pretty good, but nothing where I could even consider using the word "best" for any aspect of it. And I even like movies like this.

But, as I said, it was pretty good, and I may even wtch it again down the road.

Arm our the side to freeze it and hammer it off was awesome

 
bostonfred said:
So the metaphor of the train is not only about the class system where the rich people are in the front and the poor people are in the back, and people eating each other and the rich using them to replace broken machine parts and blah blah blah. It's also about the machine that keeps us all moving, and without that machine, without that rich guy in the front, everyone would die. And then the rich guy tells the teacher to teach the kids that when you leave the train, you die, because whether we think the system is fair or not, we all need it to survive. I get that.

But the part that got a bit muddied was when the gate opening drug guy blew up the door and knocked the train off the tracks. I don't know what they were trying to do there. Was he supposed to be a hero because he stopped the train? Was Captain Americas supposed to be a hero because he ripped his own arm off to save the kid? Or were these supposed to be futile actions that actually ended up hurting them? Even the final scene, when the train is derailed and most of the cars destroyed, and the dude and his daughter walk outside with their boots and coats and appear to be just fine... then they realize they're out in the middle of nowhere and there's a polar bear. Was the polar bear supposed to be beautiful and natural? Or terrifying and dangerous? Was the moral to the story that we all want to revolt against the system but if you do you'll screw everyone over and you'll probably get eaten by a ####### bear? Or was it that you too can be free if you use drugs and kill everyone you've ever known and bring down the system?

And after all the horse#### with captain america and wilfred and those kids, did they die? Or were they just not even important anymore once that dude got out of the train?

And don't get me started on super invincible guy who kills everyone, or them fighting an army of masked ninjas with axes and winning, or him putting his head against the barrel of a gun to test out whether it was loaded, or any of the other nonsense action. That was mildly entertaining, but as a popcorn movie, this thing fell even flatter to me.
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I am just thinking it meant people are generally afraid to deviate from the norm and just go along with whatever "the man" puts in front of them............but these people tried to show that there is more to life than just the train.,.............or something like that. I am no english major

 
Hoss Style said:
I wouldn't recommend it to my friends that fancy themselves "critics", though. You know, the one's that can't immerse themselves in a movie and miss the point because they are too busy telling you what's "wrong" with each scenario.
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I will give this movie some serious credit for allowing you to immerse youself in it.

You are right though, most people have a hard time with that. Sucks for them

 
That was mildly entertaining, but as a popcorn movie, this thing fell even flatter to me.
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It's allegory, not realistic. Sure a lot of things don't make sense but it's not meant to.

It's seems that you got most of what the movie was about. It was meant to make you think, not give you easily digestible answers, and there's no 'right' or 'wrong' interpretation.

 
Halfway through.

was good and then we went to school. Now I'm confused.

Eta: OK back on track now.
 
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Done. Pretty good. Not sure what they were going for with the ending.

yea life survived outdoors. Doesn't mean they will
 
Insein said:
Done. Pretty good. Not sure what they were going for with the ending.

yea life survived outdoors. Doesn't mean they will

And if that is all that is left

-- a 20s woman and 10 year old boy, the human race still may not make it. Although perhaps there are other humans that survived some how like the polar bear. Was there a larger point? Maybe that the system may be flawed, but if you try to stop the moving train that capitalism is, you may destroy much of what you hold dear?
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Insein said:
Done. Pretty good. Not sure what they were going for with the ending.

yea life survived outdoors. Doesn't mean they will

And if that is all that is left

-- a 20s woman and 10 year old boy, the human race still may not make it. Although perhaps there are other humans that survived some how like the polar bear. Was there a larger point? Maybe that the system may be flawed, but if you try to stop the moving train that capitalism is, you may destroy much of what you hold dear?
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I didn't see the train as capitalism but more a representation of humanity as a whole. There are haves and have nots. The haves feel its their duty to provide for and take care of the have nots but necessarily in a way they themselves want to be treated.
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Insein said:
Done. Pretty good. Not sure what they were going for with the ending.

yea life survived outdoors. Doesn't mean they will

And if that is all that is left

-- a 20s woman and 10 year old boy, the human race still may not make it. Although perhaps there are other humans that survived some how like the polar bear. Was there a larger point? Maybe that the system may be flawed, but if you try to stop the moving train that capitalism is, you may destroy much of what you hold dear?
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You got it. That's why I would laugh when people called this movie liberal propaganda.
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Insein said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Insein said:
Done. Pretty good. Not sure what they were going for with the ending.

yea life survived outdoors. Doesn't mean they will

And if that is all that is left

-- a 20s woman and 10 year old boy, the human race still may not make it. Although perhaps there are other humans that survived some how like the polar bear. Was there a larger point? Maybe that the system may be flawed, but if you try to stop the moving train that capitalism is, you may destroy much of what you hold dear?
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I didn't see the train as capitalism but more a representation of humanity as a whole. There are haves and have nots. The haves feel its their duty to provide for and take care of the have nots but necessarily in a way they themselves want to be treated.

My ultimate take from movie is that if you treat those at the back of the train better then the whole train doesn't need to crash and kill everybody.
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cstu said:
Insein said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Insein said:
Done. Pretty good. Not sure what they were going for with the ending.

yea life survived outdoors. Doesn't mean they will

And if that is all that is left

-- a 20s woman and 10 year old boy, the human race still may not make it. Although perhaps there are other humans that survived some how like the polar bear. Was there a larger point? Maybe that the system may be flawed, but if you try to stop the moving train that capitalism is, you may destroy much of what you hold dear?
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I didn't see the train as capitalism but more a representation of humanity as a whole. There are haves and have nots. The haves feel its their duty to provide for and take care of the have nots but necessarily in a way they themselves want to be treated.
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My ultimate take from movie is that if you treat those at the back of the train better then the whole train doesn't need to crash and kill everybody.

Yea pretty much. Just like the whole of humanity I guess he was going for. Nothing too deep.
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Regardless of the message, the ending was dumb.

"Oh hey I'm the good guy so I'm just going to go ahead and murder 99% of the human population so two kids can survive for a couple more days before slowly dying of hunger or exposure."

Maybe I'm crazy, but wasn't the correct play there more along the lines of "ok sure Ed Harris, I'll take over for you" and then find some place, I dunno, maybe NOT AT THE TOP OF A GIANT MOUNTAIN PASS to stop the train, hopefully in a more convenient manner than sending 85% of it over a deadly ravine.
 
Blatant plot holes that you could drive a train through, but an incredible ride nonetheless

 
Zow said:
Blatant plot holes that you could drive a train through, but an incredible ride nonetheless
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Not sure what I saw in any of this would be "plot holes".

I would sort of think of a plot hole to be some sort of unintentional oversight. Not sure any of the weird ridiculous stuff was an oversight. Could be wrong I guess, who knows. Maybe the director has an IQ of 9.

Good movie though

 
I'd like to have that couple hours of my life back. I'd rate it a 4 out of 10, and feel I'm being generous.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Zow said:
Blatant plot holes that you could drive a train through, but an incredible ride nonetheless
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Not sure what I saw in any of this would be "plot holes".

I would sort of think of a plot hole to be some sort of unintentional oversight. Not sure any of the weird ridiculous stuff was an oversight. Could be wrong I guess, who knows. Maybe the director has an IQ of 9.

Good movie though
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I guess it depends on how you define "plot hole". I generally use it to mean an instance in the movie that appeared to make zero factual or common sense. A few…

1. The best method of population control is to promote revolts which threaten your very livelihood? There's like a million better ways to do that. The most obvious being birth control and the most practical being just straight executions.

2. The conductor's plan made no sense either. You're going to replace yourself with a rebel who has no engineering skills? Huh?

3. Where the hell did the upper class sleep? They didn't seem to go through any sleeping quarters after those weird morgue-like rows in the prison car.

4. The enforcer bad guy who just wouldn't die. WTF

5. The fact that nobody appeared surprised to see them when they'd go through the upper class cars. I mean, the rebels had to absolutely reek, and none of them had never made it that far. Yet people almost just ignore them.

6. The lack of urgency was also weird. Seems like once you got past the main army, you'd move quickly. But not let's sit and eat some sushi.

7. "you're the only human to see the entire length of the train." Um, no, the other ####### girl in the car with you (whose purpose also seemed to make little sense) has been back multiple times to pick out small children.

Those are just a few off the top of my head. I actually am willing to go with the ending as it appeared to be deontological and that was consistent with the theme that utilitarian/class living isn't moral.
 
God ####### dammit. can't believe I watched that while thing. I am a sucker for post apocalyptic type stuff, but holy crap this was awful.

 
My son loved it. I had to let go of any critical or realistic thinking to stay remotely engaged. Once I suspended any logic and expectation of a coherent story, the acting then made it that much harder to stay in the moment.

I didn't hate because I didn't want to pee on my son's parade. Otherwise I wouldn't have made it through this stupid movie.

 
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Binky The Doormat said:
My son loved it. I had to let go of any critical or realistic thinking to stay remotely engaged. Once I suspended any logic and expectation of a coherent story, the acting then made it that much harder to stay in the moment.

I didn't hate because I didn't want to pee on my son's parade. Otherwise I wouldn't have made it through this stupid movie.
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I believe the children are our future. :thumbsup: for him.

 
I am one of thr unforgiving critic types who shouldnt have liked this film, but I did.

A lot actually.

Something about it pulled me in despite parts of my brain trying override my enjoyment by focusing on the mistakes. I would keep getting back in to it.

I couldnt explain what about this movie was able to do that. Regardless I have to havr pretty high praise for it being able to do that. I will probably watch it again in the not so distant future.

 
Finally got around to watching this. Was rolling my eyes a lot in the beginning and in the end. Loved the middle. Especially the classroom scene.

Absolutely wrong to group this movie with Moon, however.

ETA: I just saw this got 95% on RT. While I liked the movie, no way I rate it higher than Blade Runner (91%).

 
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Zasada said:
Finally got around to watching this. Was rolling my eyes a lot in the beginning and in the end. Loved the middle. Especially the classroom scene.

Absolutely to group this movie with Moon, however.

ETA: I just saw this got 95% on RT. While I liked the movie, no way I rate it higher than Blade Runner (91%).
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If you liked the movie, then you rated it the same as Blade Runner for purposes of RT.

 
bigbottom said:
Zasada said:
Finally got around to watching this. Was rolling my eyes a lot in the beginning and in the end. Loved the middle. Especially the classroom scene.

Absolutely to group this movie with Moon, however.

ETA: I just saw this got 95% on RT. While I liked the movie, no way I rate it higher than Blade Runner (91%).
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If you liked the movie, then you rated it the same as Blade Runner for purposes of RT.
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Good point. Keep forgetting that RT is aggregate pass/fail. Thanks. Hard to believe there are more people who disliked Blade Runner than this movie, on a percentage basis.

 
Zasada said:
bigbottom said:
Zasada said:
Finally got around to watching this. Was rolling my eyes a lot in the beginning and in the end. Loved the middle. Especially the classroom scene.

Absolutely to group this movie with Moon, however.

ETA: I just saw this got 95% on RT. While I liked the movie, no way I rate it higher than Blade Runner (91%).
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If you liked the movie, then you rated it the same as Blade Runner for purposes of RT.
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Good point. Keep forgetting that RT is aggregate pass/fail. Thanks. Hard to believe there are more people who disliked Blade Runner than this movie, on a percentage basis.
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Blade Runner doesn't really hold up for people seeing it for the first time recently. It seems like it's just recycled from a bunch of more recent movies, even though reality is that those movies were all inspired by Blade Runner. It's difficult to reconcile that when the order you watched them is backwards though.

 
This movie was absolute crap. The only reason I watched it is because my wife went to the trouble of renting it from the Redbox for me. What a pantload.

 
MC Gas Money said:
I am one of thr unforgiving critic types who shouldnt have liked this film, but I did.

A lot actually.

Something about it pulled me in despite parts of my brain trying override my enjoyment by focusing on the mistakes. I would keep getting back in to it.

I couldnt explain what about this movie was able to do that. Regardless I have to havr pretty high praise for it being able to do that. I will probably watch it again in the not so distant future.
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:thumbup:

 
IMO this movie is a bit of a Rorschach test - there's no right or wrong answer but your reaction to it does reveal a lot about you.

 
Never heard of this until seeing the title online. Barely read the description but sound cool. Watching tonight

 
Concur with many others, this came across more like a teenager screaming her 'point' at you, trusting that volume will susbitute for substance. Usually I'm fine with putting a 'point' aside to enjoy a movie for what it is, but in this case it was just too much banging of the drum.

 
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