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Solo: A Star Wars Movie (1 Viewer)

I really enjoyed it.  I ididn't have the emotional connection of Rogue One and it didn't have a scene that matched the kickass Vader scene in Rogue One, but definitely enjoyed it more than Episodes 7 and 8 which are overrated IMHO.

My Ranking

1.Empire 

2.New Hope

3.Rogue One 

[Gap]

4.Return of the Jedi

5.Solo

[Gap]

6.Revenge of the Sith

7.Phantom Menace  (underrated)

8.Attack of the Clones 

9.Force Awakens

[Gap]

10.Last Jedi (embarrassment to the franchise)

 
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Having TPM and AOTC over TFA in any capacity is a heinous crime. Not even going to get into having TLJ last since that's a controversial one. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Having TPM and AOTC over TFA in any capacity is a heinous crime. Not even going to get into having TLJ last since that's a controversial one. 
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At least he put ANH in tier one. I don't know how many lists on here I've seen with the giant blockbuster that started the franchise and captured a generation's imagination in tier two or three.

 
  I saw this over the weekend for my sons birthday. It was awesome. 6 kids between 11 -13. They loved it! It was great. My younger son went ballistic when DM showed up at the end. The kids were non-stop talking about the movie on the way there and completely ramped up on the ride home. After several of the recent movies when I have take. The kids and it was sooooo dark and or depressing with major characters being killed off it was really nice to have everyone excited about something I really enjoyed as a kid.

i liked the movie too. It was fun.

 
TripItUp said:
I really enjoyed it.  I ididn't have the emotional connection of Rogue One and it didn't have a scene that matched the kickass Vader scene in Rogue One, but definitely enjoyed it more than Episodes 7 and 8 which are overrated IMHO.

My Ranking

1.Empire 

2.New Hope

3.Rogue One 

[Gap]

4.Return of the Jedi

5.Solo

[Gap]

6.Revenge of the Sith

7.Phantom Menace  (underrated)

8.Attack of the Clones 

9.Force Awakens

[Gap]

10.Last Jedi (embarrassment to the franchise)
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This is the worst list of anything I’ve ever seen in my life. 

 
Took 12 year old and 17 year old to see this yesterday.  Personally, I was pretty ambivalent towards even going, but as it's become kind of a tradition to see a movie on Memorial Day, pickings was slim.

I didn't read too much into any fanfare or reviews prior to going, just want you pretty much can't avoid hearing.

I came out pleasantly surprised.  Not saying this was a great movie by any means, but it was an enjoyable ride. I actually thought young Hans actor did a great job.  And I really wasn't fond of Glover hamming it up as Lando - I understand that is the character, but there is only one Billy Dee Williams, baby.

But anyway, as the movie ended I looked over at my 12 year old and she had an ear to ear grin on her face and my 17 year old was also smiling (although trying to suppress it as much as one can) and it made me think that hey, these movies are not supposed to be cinematic masterpieces - I don't believe any best actor/actress nods are going to be handed out during the Star Wars franchise.  It's supposed to be a fun, imaginative ride for those willing to hop along.  The originals came out when I was a very young boy and I enjoyed them immensely (and of course me and my friends hand plenty of the accompanying merchandise that was sold to go along and keep our imaginations going after the movie was over).  

As I got older, I started to prefer a different kind of movie.  Sure, throw me in a popcorn summer time flick from time to time and I'll sit immersed - but I'm more apt to be interested in going to Blade Runner 2049, or Prometheus for the sci-fi genre.  And a movie like Sicario or No Country for Old Men are more in my wheelhouse now.  But if I miss the awe and overall enjoyment of a Star Wars or a Solo movie from my 12 year old self sometimes and I think Solo was just fine in that regard.  My 12 year old gives it two very enthusiastic thumbs up.  My 17 year old gives it two moody thumbs up.  And that's good enough for me at this point in time.

 
I haven't seen it yet, I hope its enjoyable but I'm happy it bombed, the only way we'll potentially see any significant changes in upper level creative.

 
Smack Tripper said:
I haven't seen it yet, I hope its enjoyable but I'm happy it bombed, the only way we'll potentially see any significant changes in upper level creative.
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the box office issues had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the movie imo.  You can just look at the normally wide opinions on FFA and it seems fairly universal that it was a decent movie.

So it makes absolutely no sense to think about changing creative based on this movie.  If you want to ask why they released it in May instead of December or why they did not close up shop more during production to shelter the issues it had during production, that makes more sense to me.

 
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NewlyRetired said:
the box office issues had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the movie imo.  You can just look at the normally wide opinions on FFA and it seems fairly universal that it was a decent movie.

So it makes absolutely no sense to think about changing creative based on this movie.  If you want to ask why they released it in May instead of December or why they did not close up shop more during production to shelter the issues it had during production, that makes more sense to me.
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Canon star wars should be a bulletproof property, particularly a legacy story such as this, although the lack of Harrison Ford seems an immediate speed bump.

May is blockbuster time, its when you release these kinds of movies in general ( and I realize Lord of the Rings and the New Triology have gone against this).  The original 6 films were all summer releases.  Its when lots of america has kids out of school and you aren't dealing with snow storms.

I mean, I've seen people point to bad press, but a decent film overcomes it, I don't know one movie that was actually good that couldn't escape bad press.  Titantic had bad press going into it, it was the biggest movie ever for a long time, the Raimi Spiderman had terrible press, it had the biggest opening weekend ever.    

 
Smack Tripper said:
Canon star wars should be a bulletproof property, particularly a legacy story such as this, although the lack of Harrison Ford seems an immediate speed bump.

May is blockbuster time, its when you release these kinds of movies in general ( and I realize Lord of the Rings and the New Triology have gone against this).  The original 6 films were all summer releases.  Its when lots of america has kids out of school and you aren't dealing with snow storms.

I mean, I've seen people point to bad press, but a decent film overcomes it, I don't know one movie that was actually good that couldn't escape bad press.  Titantic had bad press going into it, it was the biggest movie ever for a long time, the Raimi Spiderman had terrible press, it had the biggest opening weekend ever.    
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It had the biggest Memorial Day opening in 4 years. 

Definitely below projections but that is Disney’s fault for releasing when they did. 

 
Smack Tripper said:
I mean, I've seen people point to bad press, but a decent film overcomes it, I don't know one movie that was actually good that couldn't escape bad press.  
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so you are saying to just ignore everyone who has seen the movie and liked it?  I guess I don't understand your point.

Do you feel badly that you spent so much capital posting that one article so many times saying how bad the lead was when it turned out to be completely wrong?

 
'Solo' bombs at the box office, taking in only $83 million over the weekend and $101 million by Memorial Day

"That's $29 million under original industry low-end projections for the movie."

"The opening three-day performance by "Solo" is the lowest for a "Star Wars" movie since 2002's "Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones," which took in $80 million. But back in 2002 that was quite a feat — counting inflation, that would be a $126.1 million opening in 2018."

You're arguing semantics...but still. For a Star Wars movie, it bombed.   :shrug:

 
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Capella said:
A 110M weekend is not a bomb. I don’t care what some ####ing video game website says. You can think for yourself you know. 
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This was not the only site that said it bombed. Not sure why you are getting so upset about this. Disney execs are quoted as "trying to figure out what went wrong".

 
I have no issues with saying it bombed financially opening weekend.

I have issues with people who have not seen the movie and are pointing to creative as the reason it bombed.  That seems off to me.

 
shadyridr said:
This was not the only site that said it bombed. Not sure why you are getting so upset about this. Disney execs are quoted as "trying to figure out what went wrong".
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I’m not upset at all. I don’t own any Disney stock. The movie didn’t make the money they thought but that’s their fault. 

Saying it bombed though is just flat out stupid. It made over a hundred million :shrug:  

 
Capella said:
I’m not upset at all. I don’t own any Disney stock. The movie didn’t make the money they thought but that’s their fault. 

Saying it bombed though is just flat out stupid. It made over a hundred million :shrug:  
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I dunno, people generally dont say things like "You can think for yourself you know" without being some form of upset.

 
NewlyRetired said:
so you are saying to just ignore everyone who has seen the movie and liked it?  I guess I don't understand your point.

Do you feel badly that you spent so much capital posting that one article so many times saying how bad the lead was when it turned out to be completely wrong?
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If the movie was good, people will see it through word of mouth, even if the press was bad, thats my point.  

I don't know what to make of this, I haven't seen raves, but I don't expect it to be bad.   I'll try to get there this week.  

I don't feel bad, I haven't seen it yet.   How do you think Disney feels having to reshoot 70 percent of the movie and doubling the budget on a losing bet?

 
NewlyRetired said:
I have no issues with saying it bombed financially opening weekend.

I have issues with people who have not seen the movie and are pointing to creative as the reason it bombed.  That seems off to me.
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Yep timing and Star Wars "fatigue" seem to be the main culprits.

 
shadyridr said:
I dunno, people generally dont say things like "You can think for yourself you know" without being some form of upset.
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I just think it’s weird to validate an opinion by using other people’s opinions. Got nothing to do with being upset. 

“Look this opinion is correct because IGN said so!”

 
shadyridr said:
Yep timing and Star Wars "fatigue" seem to be the main culprits.
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yeah, the movie itself was fine IMO. 

No one is saying it is the best movie ever but most seemed to enjoy it, which is the general point of going to a movie. 

We sometimes miss that point in this social media age where people want to be the first to claim disaster.  The article that was posted a million times in this thread was at best completely irresponsible, and at worst, completely ignorant.

The fact that it hooked people into believing the lead was going to be awful before they even saw him act in the film, was an unfortunate outcome.

 
I thought the movie was good, but not great.  I think the humor missed the mark and I think the actor who played Han didn't quite have the roguish edge he needed. I get that this was before he became the Han we all know and love, but I think that roguishness would have been present even that that young age.  He seemed more cocky than roguish.  Donald Glover was great as Lando.

 
Capella said:
I just think it’s weird to validate an opinion by using other people’s opinions. Got nothing to do with being upset. 

“Look this opinion is correct because IGN said so!”
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 Except in this case is validating an opinion with industry accepted fact (or thereabouts anyway).

 
NewlyRetired said:
yeah, the movie itself was fine IMO. 

No one is saying it is the best movie ever but most seemed to enjoy it, which is the general point of going to a movie. 

We sometimes miss that point in this social media age where people want to be the first to claim disaster.  The article that was posted a million times in this thread was at best completely irresponsible, and at worst, completely ignorant.

The fact that it hooked people into believing the lead was going to be awful before they even saw him act in the film, was an unfortunate outcome.
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Me personally, I havent seen it yet. Im not a Star Wars "fanatic". I have seen TFA, TLJ, and RO all the first week they came out because I was excited to see them and my son was excited to see them. I had very little interest in seeing this in the movies and neither did my son and fatigue and timing were definitely my only reasons. I only goto the movies once in awhile and having seen Avengers & plan on seeing Deadpool this upcoming week. 3 movies in 5 weeks is something I have very little interest in seeing. I will definitely catch this on BluRay however and due to the reviews here fully expect to enjoy it but its not something I have to see anytime soon.

 
shadyridr said:
Yep timing and Star Wars "fatigue" seem to be the main culprits.
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I'm still unsure of what fatigue means.  In my opinion they put out a crappy product in The Last Jedi and now folks aren't even sure what the Star Wars brand is anymore.  People don't want to go to a movie if they think it's going to be a confusing mess.

 
Oh, and Alden Ehrenreich is more of a young Jack Nicholson than Harrison Ford.

But his performance wasn't in any way problematic to the movie.

 
I went with my son (13) on Saturday and we both loved it.  Its a very fun movie, exactly what we both wanted after working in the yard all day - great escape/entertainment movie.  I can't read through everything here, but my son told me there was a tie-in with the Rebels show, which is cool.  He explained it to me in the car on the way home and I'm not sure whether its significant or just throwing a bone to the folks who watch that show. The main thing I took from it was severe concern when my son used the word "cannon" to describe some aspect of the story.  I had to set him straight on that. Anyway - great Star Wars movie, great fun, two thumbs up from us.

 
Several factors crossed streams to lead to Solo's commercial under-performance.

1) Since the project was announced, a large percentage of fans never thought this movie should have been made in the first place. It's a risk to change actors and potentially sully the background, perceived history, and/or imagined past of one of cinema's great characters. Some people don't want their childhoods messed with.

2) To cast a relative unknown in the lead is/was a huge gamble; I saw Alden Ehrenreich in "Hail, Caesar!" and "Rules Don't Apply" and thought he was a standout in both films. Neither of those movies was a hit, so very few people saw him leading up to this. It felt similar to when Daniel Craig was cast as James Bond--websites and magazine articles were dedicated to denigrating him in the role. I knew he'd be great because of "Layer Cake" and "Our Friends in the North." Casino Royale shut most of the haters up.

3) 11 months ago, there was behind-the-scenes turmoil of a magnitude that shifted a lot of perceptions on what Disney/Kathleen Kennedy are doing right/wrong with the franchise.

4) The Last Jedi was only 5 months ago, and audiences were pretty mixed on its quality. Too soon for another Star Wars? One that may not even be necessary and mess around with one of our favorite heroes?

5) Disney barely marketed Solo on television until after Avengers: Infinity War was out and killin' the box office.

6) Avengers: Infinity War had only been out for 3+ weeks, Deadpool 2 had only been out for one week. Not only might Star Wars Fatigue be setting in, but Blockbuster Fatigue may be as well. Is Donald Glover Fatigue a thing?

7) The weather was pretty damn nice throughout the country this weekend.

I saw it Thursday night and liked it quite a lot. It's not upper tier for me, but firmly and snugly in the middle. The stakes were too low to majorly eff anything up too badly, but it also meant they couldn't blow me away too heavily.

 
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Isn't it only a 'bomb' if it doesn't make back the $250m it cost to make? I think $110m US/$150m worldwide in a long weekend is a pretty good start on making their money back and then providing a profit.

:2cents:

 
Kumerica said:
I saw it Thursday night and liked it quite a lot. It's not upper tier for me, but firmly and snugly in the middle. The stakes were too low to majorly eff anything up too badly, but it also meant they couldn't blow me away too heavily.
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I think this is a great point. All the movie could do was fill in some blanks. It's comparable to Rogue One, but that movie had the advantage of new characters in an existing story, not retrofitting new actors into existing characters in an existing story. I thought it was a fun movie with what it had to work with.

I've now got to take my 11 y.o. daughter to 4 new Star Wars movies in the last few years, and we've had a blast at every one of them. And that's the point of what Disney is doing.

 
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NewlyRetired said:
I have no issues with saying it bombed financially opening weekend.

I have issues with people who have not seen the movie and are pointing to creative as the reason it bombed.  That seems off to me.
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Creative in a broad sense of people creating star wars now.  By all rights, no one should have went to attack of the clones but there was a currency Lucas had with the audience.  

If you look at a creative brand, it buys a lot of faith and it costs you faith too.  People gave Lucas that leash that they look less willing to do so here.  

I can guarantee you Pixar never goes into a project with anything less than the best possible script.   I think whoever is heading up Marvel goes in with much the same mind.  As such, people reward that faith and might take a chance on movies.  Star Wars had that kind of rep too... and still do in some regard.   100 million is nothing to sneeze at.  But when you spend 4 billion on a property and are building a theme park around it and want to maximize the ancillary opportunities.  

What might be an interesting comparison here is Ant Man and the Wasp.  It will be on the heels of Infinity War as this was on the heels of Last Jedi, and even a shorter window.  I don't see Ant Man doing 100 million on the opening weekend but I could see it outgrossing Solo.  I'm certain it will be more profitable, as Solo's profitability is likely in question given the overseas struggles.  \

 
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CletiusMaximus said:
I went with my son (13) on Saturday and we both loved it.  Its a very fun movie, exactly what we both wanted after working in the yard all day - great escape/entertainment movie.  I can't read through everything here, but my son told me there was a tie-in with the Rebels show, which is cool.  He explained it to me in the car on the way home and I'm not sure whether its significant or just throwing a bone to the folks who watch that show. The main thing I took from it was severe concern when my son used the word "cannon" to describe some aspect of the story.  I had to set him straight on that. Anyway - great Star Wars movie, great fun, two thumbs up from us.
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I caught a couple Rebels tie-ins (not counting Lando and Maul)... I am sure there were more too  ;)

 
Like I said, I enjoyed it.  Where I would put it in the rankings though...… probably at 7 of the 10 movies.  I don't think that is bad though.  Yes, some of them have been all time greats, but as much as people like to make fun of episodes 1 and 2 I don't hate them.  The only one I truly hate, and it is a recent hate, is Return of the Jedi.  Rogue One is the movie that Return of the Jedi should have been and I just can't get the hate out of my system at this point.

 
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