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If they had a lick of sense they would have promoted the O genius from OC to HC and left the Herminator to somebody else. I'd expect more of the same from KC until he gets canned -
Volek would look worse behind the Raiders' line than Brooks does. I don't understand why people think Oakland would want Volek. I'm not saying Brooks is good (I don't think he's a good real life QB), but he's better than Volek. If Oakland gives up on Brooks, they'll go with Walter. If he stinks it up, then maybe they go in another direction.
I respect your right to your opinion, but I really think you have misread this situation.If KC were smart (and if TN were smart) they would match the Chargers' offer of picks - Volek would waive to go to the Chiefs over the Chargers - much better chance of starting sooner rather than later - and I think the Chiefs will have higher draft picks than the Chargers.thecardiackid said:
What am I missing here?Volek was "the starter" in the offseason, @ some point late in TC, Fisher and/or Chow decided he wasn't starter worthy. Right?My point is why would another team want a qb that was "groomed" as a backup for just such an occasion, only to get dumped (for K Collins no less) when really needed. Worst case as a mentor for a season for Young. Maybe I am reading it wrong, but to me it says "we have no confidence that this guy can start in the NFL, but you can have him for some draft picks". Sure that's the way the NFL works (more for RBs/WRs though), but now?, for a career backup that needs to come in and learn a complete new system on the fly? and hope he's prepared and talented enough to contribute to your (SD/KC/OAK) season? I just don't get it. SD makes more sense as he's a true backup w/ hopefully a lot of time to learn the offense. If KC is looking to bring the guy in to replace D Huard (sp) while Green's out - good luck w/ that.I don't know what kind of picks SD/KC are throwing around here, but I'd hope they're not "day 1's"
Interesting take here Marc... then the Titans surely needs to deal him - quick!Collins will do a mop up job while Young is learning the ropes... probably the best move the Titans have made in years - if they are able to get a first day pick for Volek... well, they would still have to choose the guy they pick in next year's draft, right? This might not be that good after all
You know much more about the topic than I do, but I think that all of the Titans leverage went out the door after week 1. It was obvious that the whole charade of not naming a starter was once they named Collins the starter than Voleks trade value diminished. I truly believe that the Chargers and the Titans have a deal worked out that will be completed after they meet this weekend. I doubt that it is for anything more than a 4th round pick. The Titans will be better off holding on to Volek until a couple more starting QBs go down, but in my opinion they dump him and be done with him. If my assumption comes true than the Titans will have played this very poorly. Last year they could have had a second or even possibly a first round pick for Volek as he was being mentioned in the same terms as Matt Schaub. Now teams know that Volek is not in the future plans of the Titans after they played both Collins and Young the first week.
I completely agree with what you are saying but trade pick values seem to change all the time. While the Dolphins traded a second round pick for AJ Feeley, they also traded a second round pick for Culpepper this offseason. C-Peps contract has something to do with that, but there is no way that the Titans will get a second round pick for what now has been determined the Titans #3 QB. While I agree that Voleks value should be a first day pick, I don't believe they will receive this. The Titans will probably be much better off holding onto Volek until significant injuries happen, or until the offseason when someone is trying to replace a starter, but as I have mentioned above I believe they dump him this week.
No - I really don't.Your analysis looks as good (or better) than mine.
I'd be very suprised if that happens. I don't think A.J. is going to play that game anyway - the Chargers aren't as desparate as people seem to think they are. In fact I think he'd get a good chuckle out of a division rival spending a day one pick for a scrub QB.
My problem with the way the Titans played it is the following:1. They first let it be known that Steve McNair is expendible by kicking him out of the facilities, and telling the world that they are more than happy to go with Volek.2. They draft Vince Young, which is fine as he is obviously a long term plan, but it does devalue the worth of their other trading chips.3. They bring in Collins before trading Volek. There were rumblings before pre-season started that they were interested in Kerry but they wait until the week before the season starts which shows their disastisfaction for Volek and they push him to their #3.At this point they are paying their QBs more than they probably want to. They also have an unhappy QB who had been led to believe he was the QB of the present, and they have pushed his trade value down to an all time low. Last year at this time Volek was worth a second round pick, having sucessfully filled in for McNair but they did not play it correctly.
Ok, I guess I didn't understand/know that Volek had burned the bridge there buy seeking a trade. Maybe that's b/c I decided early to stay away from TN offensive players this season and wasn't paying attention.Strange that he'd ruin his opportunity to "show his wares" to the rest of the NFL for a season to up his value in the FA market though.I'll just hang up and listen now
Yea, I get that, but doesn't that stance basically kill any chance for him to "prove" himself as a potential NFL starting qb and force him into yet another back up role (where ever he ends up)? I mean, this situation was what could be his only real shot at proving himself aside from a few games filling in due to injury.I can't see how his agent would let him go this direction. He would have been given a hall pass for the team's record considering how bad TN is overall, and if he put up decent #s (~20 tds and 10 picks for example) he could've at least gotten a solid contract and a shot at a starting gig w/ a new team next year. Now he'll just carry P Rivers clipboard for the rest of his career.
That's a major contradiction if ever i've seen one; and you're questioning someone's sense?By the way - it's not going to be Kansas City. Book it now. They're keeping hold of their draft picks.
I wouldn't be so sure.The Chiefs don't have a fourth-rounder and won't let the Titans sniff their third-rounder, and I don't see Al Davis trading anything more than a fifth-rounder for the guy.He'd roll with Walter before he chucks compensation at the Titans.
Why throw the ball? If they take 3 knees and punt the whole 2nd half they get the W. And they did let him throw that 38 yarder to Parker to ice it.If they didn't trust Rivers, they'd have acquired a vet backup sooner.Volek would be insurance, because they believe the team is going places this year with Phillips
Again people don't realize how lost the Raider OL is.. Brooks drops back and before he gets set he is jumped on.. This game is all about timing and how can anybody succeed having their routes cut short? if Brooks was a better QB he would learn to look at Jordan as his emergency dumpoff.. This is what Collins did last year and it worked to move the offense. The Raiders would be more improved if they did that because their D looks a lot better then last year..
I agree completely. This is why the Chargers only kept 2 QBs, both of which had never started an NFL game, and also why they were so careful with Rivers last week as they might even lose to the Titans if Whitehurst was forced to play. Volek probably has all his bags packed and stays in San Diego after the game. The Chargers have a bye week next, so Volek has some time to learn the play book and step into the number 2 slot. I also agree that Rivers will be a very good QB, and that the Chargers have more faith in him than was shown last Monday. As another poster said the Chargers could have taken a knee the entire 2nd half and still won, they also wanted to protect Rivers so their delayed trade would not backfire.
Seeing Volek in "action" it looks like he's not right for the kind of system the Chefs run, maybe the small sample size isn't accurate, but I can only go on what we've seen so far. By the time he got up to snuff the Chefs could be pretty far in the hole. Thus I don't think the Chefs are climbing the walls to get him - he'd probably be an improvement over Huard, but probably not enough to get them into the playoffs, or keep them in the running. I know it's only been a week and things could change this weekend, but apart from Johnson the Chefs looked like they were about ripe for rebuilding mode. I don't think Volek would fit that, and I don't think they'd want to part with significant draft picks to get him.
I think you've grossly misinterpreted what happened last Monday. They'll open up the playbook when the bell rings, and I think Rivers will perform handsomely at that time.
Guess what - with that line and those backs, they won't "need to" in alot of games. Marty has a history of emphasizing the running game so what makes you think he won't play to their strengths? Maybe I need to have that big guy with the spiked shoulder pads at the Raider games beat you over the head and then the light bulb will go on.
I agree. If the Chiefs offer a third, he's all theirs.The Chargers just let AJ Feeley go for nothing, so they're not as desperate for a veteran backup as people seem to think. Is Volek really that much of an upgrade over Feeley? I think Volek's price will be a sixth. He's a one-year stopgap until Whitehurst outperforms him in the 2007 training camp.
I agree with Gr00vus.
