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Spencer Ware, possibly the new work horse (1 Viewer)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
You realize Smith and Reid are part of the equation when it comes to criticism of Ware in FF, right?
Milkman
Footballguy
Nope. I put talent on my team and these problems normally take care of themselves. Ware is an elite talent.
sho nuff
Footballguy
He has yet to show that to really be the case. And situation is a big reason he is not an RB1in FF too.
Milkman
Footballguy
I have always contended he's an elite RB. I feel I'll be proven right over time. Time will tell.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Minus the TDs he has #### the bed
sho nuff
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shadyridr
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Fireballer
Footballguy
Whats a guesstimate of snaps for Ware/West? Nothing like last week?
Milkman
Footballguy
Was missed on a wide open 50 yard bomb. Not his fault. He gets that and it changes the game and they run him more. Still he has more than one way he can score which is what elite backs have the ability to do.
I mean he would have had a 30 point game with that play.
I mean he would have had a 30 point game with that play.
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Cowboysfan8
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I just wish they used Ware more on dump passes like they did on his second TD. Easy 5 yards or more every time. I don't think you can bench him after this performance, poor numbers or not. They trusted him to get it done at the goal line and I was pleased with the 4 targets (gimme more)
shadyridr
Footballguy
Yeah at worst he's a solid rb2 so with these matchups hard to bench him unless you have obvious better matchups.
Milkman
Footballguy
One bad throw away from a 33 point game.......Just remember that because he's not done. I know the KC offense hasn't been very good lately but they are getting healthy and the D is going to be playing better with Houston back which may help field position or get them some turnovers in the red zone......
jvdesigns2002
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I think the biggest knock on him coming into today was that although he had a ton of yards from scrimmage (7th in the league coming into today)--was that he wasn't scoring tds. Today--he kinda balanced out the totality of his fantasy season. He got a couple td's without getting too many yards from scrimmage. Overall--I think he's one of the best rb2's out there because of a relatively stable floor. He's played in 11 games this season. (My analysis comes from a 1pt ppr dynamic--so if you have a different scoring system--this might not be applicable in your format). He's only scored less than 10 fantasy pts in 3 of them. He's scored 20 or more fantasy pts in 4 of them--and he's scored between 10-15pts in 4 games. In 2 of the 3 games where he had less than 10 fantasy pts--he had over 70 yards from srimmage. It's difficult to complain about what he's done relative to where he was drafted in re-draft leagues.
Bronco Billy
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Ware is getting progressively worse as the season wears on. He's part of the problem with the KC O.
I don't think KC's RB1 for 2017 is on their roster right now if Charles can't get right. Ware clearly is not up to the task.
I don't think KC's RB1 for 2017 is on their roster right now if Charles can't get right. Ware clearly is not up to the task.
Agree, which is why I wish they would get the ball to Ware out in open space more. You'd see a lot of DB's making business decisions.
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Bronco Billy
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Well that certainly explains the increase in scoring per game by KC - over 6 ppg over the last 4 games compared to the previous 8 games while Ware has gone into the bag, including notably hanging 30 pts on DEN in DEN.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Bucsfan5493
Footballguy
To be fair, his productivity to start the season was almost impossible to keep up. Think he was averaging something crazy like 6 ypc through the first 5 or 6 weeks.
Yesterday was really his only awful day looking from an efficiency standpoint. I also just saw the wide open missed TD Smith over threw him on which would have put him over 100 yards and given him a monster day. Ware was definitely wide open on that play, Smith needs to make that throw.
shadyridr
Footballguy
his YPC by game:
6.4, 5.7, 3.8, 6.3, 5.5, 4.5, 2.7, 4.7, 4.1, 3.8, 2.1
I dont see anything out of the ordinary there except typical variance
mozzy84
Footballguy
running backs and receivers have plays like that all the time though during games (high throws or holding penalties that didn't even affect the run), I think you have to let that go. Its not 100% even if smith hits him in stride he actually catches it and scores.
As someone else said I don't think he is the man next season like a lot thought he would be a couple months ago.
skillz
Footballguy
This is the problem with Ware though. Two weeks ago we were talking about him not punching it in at the goal line. At that time, it was the line that didn't block well enough. Last week, Reid wasn't giving him enough chances late. This week, it was Smith nearly missing him on the pass. Every week it seems to be something that holds him back. Frustrating since we all get points on him making plays, not coming close to making a play because someone else messed it up for Ware. He is not going to be an elite RB with so many "what ifs" each week. The elite RBs either don't have those, or produce regardless of those situations coming up during the game. At this point, he is a RB2 that can be helpful to my team down the stretch but he is certainly not the RB1 savior many of us thought we had earlier this season. I hope he makes the most of his opportunities going forward and proves me wrong though...
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Gandalf
Footballguy
I think Ware can still be a consistent RB1 but something changed after the concussion. Not saying Ware is hurt but rather it seems like his usage became way more inconsistent. I think this is the floor of his value in dynasty but this is what it is for this year. If you can buy for a reasonable price in dynasty, now is the time.
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I think it was a combination of the concussion and Maclin's injury mixed with Reid's philosophy. The concussion and Maclin injury led to the emergence of Tyreek Hill. Reid knows what a weapon he has in that guy, which has opened the door to more snaps and trick plays involving him. Combine that with the fact that Reid is more concerned with finding a way to win Chief's games over finding a way to get Ware fantasy points and we have the mess we are in. A talented RB who could be top 5 in the right situation, but as mentioned above is more along the lines of low RB1/high RB2.
Now swap him and David Johnson or Ezekiel Elliott's situations and Ware is most likely the #1 player in fantasy.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Well it started before the concussion, and I'm not sure I buy into "consistent" RB1, but I agree he's a buy with potential. I bought cheaply in two leagues and am going to actively shop the others in the offseason since they are all past trade deadlines now. My primary concern is that Reid doesn't see him as an RB1 for whatever reason (which is consistent with both his pre-draft analysis/draft status and his early NFL years + new contract) and that we might just be getting Alfred Morris'd here until they bring in someone else.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Week 14 - Fantasy Playoffs - short week - Thursday night division opponent, big game. Only positive thing here is it's at home.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Not sure where all the elite talk is coming from. Ware continues to be a boom/bust (and this year, more bust than boom) RB2.
Ware is super talented, and has ability. However, he lacks consistency and the ability to succeed even when game plan and game situations runs against him -- two of many factors that go into an elite back that Ware hasn't shown this season.
You don't hear, "Man, if only Dak had hit Zeke in stride" or "had David Johnson had a TD, we wouldn't be talking about poor YPC," The reason being that guys like Zeke and DJ do it themselves, and produce even when the rest of the team doesn't.
Ware is super talented, and has ability. However, he lacks consistency and the ability to succeed even when game plan and game situations runs against him -- two of many factors that go into an elite back that Ware hasn't shown this season.
You don't hear, "Man, if only Dak had hit Zeke in stride" or "had David Johnson had a TD, we wouldn't be talking about poor YPC," The reason being that guys like Zeke and DJ do it themselves, and produce even when the rest of the team doesn't.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
A season of frustration can be put to rest if he has a solid playoff run, hopefully it is a high scoring affair on Thursday. Just repeat what he did @ Oakland earlier this year.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Andrew74
Footballguy
I'm starting him this week. But it is over Gurley/Martin in one league and the likes of Perkins in another.
I will say for all the year, this is the first week that I'm worried about him. Before he was very productive but just lacked TDs (which can be random). He scored two TDs (yea!) but his efficiency went down the toilet (boo!). I'd be feeling better if he had 5ypc and 1 TD. Hopefully it was an aberration and he goes back to 4.5-5ypc range, while getting good shots at TDs. Maybe Maclin coming back soon will help this offense out.
I will say for all the year, this is the first week that I'm worried about him. Before he was very productive but just lacked TDs (which can be random). He scored two TDs (yea!) but his efficiency went down the toilet (boo!). I'd be feeling better if he had 5ypc and 1 TD. Hopefully it was an aberration and he goes back to 4.5-5ypc range, while getting good shots at TDs. Maybe Maclin coming back soon will help this offense out.
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Gottabesweet
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Wasn't Atlanta a good matchup for Ware? Close game too and he didn't run for much. Luckily he got two short TD's
The Jacket
Footballguy
Well, he also dropped 160 yards and a TD on them when they played a couple months ago, so there's that. Hopefully Reid remembers how the Chiefs whipped the Raiders' ### that day.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I see lower highs and lower lows on his season trend line. If this trend is accurate, he's been losing steam. It may not be predictive at all though, given sample size, yet does show a trend.
Still upside here, ROS schedule looks good. Chiefs need him to win AFCW/bye or a wildcard. We'll see the best of what they have to offer coming up here now, in theory at least. Ware is positioned to be a huge part of this run if he's nearly as good as we all hoped/thought.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
The reason ATL is a plus match-up, specifically in PPR, is because they have allowed the most receptions and 3rd most TDs to RBs on the season. When it comes to actual rushing yards, they've actually given up the 7th least.
This doesn't excuse Ware's efficiency, seeing as how ATL has allowed 4.3ypc on the season and he didn't clear 3 but it's nice to get some perspective. It is indeed possible that he's running out of steam, since this is technically uncharted territory as far as volume goes, but it would be extremely hard to sit him vs. OAK. What McCoy and Gillslee (240 total yards from scrimmage) did vs. them last week is indicative of what RBs have been able to do vs. them all season, including Ware all the way back in week 3.
This doesn't excuse Ware's efficiency, seeing as how ATL has allowed 4.3ypc on the season and he didn't clear 3 but it's nice to get some perspective. It is indeed possible that he's running out of steam, since this is technically uncharted territory as far as volume goes, but it would be extremely hard to sit him vs. OAK. What McCoy and Gillslee (240 total yards from scrimmage) did vs. them last week is indicative of what RBs have been able to do vs. them all season, including Ware all the way back in week 3.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I think the argument of consistency is a good one. Here's a consistency calculator from fftoday.
As you can see, the only RBs who have few/zero "sub-par" games, assuming that you have to start 2 RBs are Johnson, Zeke, Gordon, McCoy and Murray. After that it's pretty much a crapshoot but given Ware's PPG his consistency score is quite low.
As you can see, the only RBs who have few/zero "sub-par" games, assuming that you have to start 2 RBs are Johnson, Zeke, Gordon, McCoy and Murray. After that it's pretty much a crapshoot but given Ware's PPG his consistency score is quite low.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
Lol my contention has been the same from the beginning. It will stay that way until I see him playing bad which I haven't seen. I've seen the entire offense struggle which hurts his red zone opportunities. I've seen Reid not give him the ball enough. I have not seen Ware play bad except maybe the fumbles. Look for KC to look even better offensively with Maclin coming back. Which is going to help open everything up.
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Alex P Keaton
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Exactly. The return of Maclin *should* help, which is why this whole narrative of "Ware is trending downward" or "Ware is slowing down" is just bizarre. The passing game hasn't been much of a threat without Maclin - so duh, the defense focuses on stopping the run disproportionately. This is like grade school level game theory.Milkman said:
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
You insult people with your "grade school level game theory" and you don't even look at the facts before you shovel your ****. While Ware has been trending down the KC passing game has been incrementally moving upward. The only "glitch" was against DEN, who has been crappy against the run but stellar against the air.
Do yourself and everyone else a favor before you decide your intellect is so much more superior - take a look at the numbers first before you spout your nonsensical excuses.
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