Spiller vs. Best (1 Viewer)

[Garts]

If it's one or the other who are you taking?

Some quick notes on each player. I am not a scout, but some quick observations....

SPILLER GOOD

-drafted 9th, so he will play a lot

-Buffalo RB's tend to put up good stats historically (Travis Henry, McGahee, Lynch, Fred Jackson)

-Spiller is an excellent receiver and has awesome big play speed and skills

-plays through injuries

SPILLER BAD

-competition for carries (even though he should rise to the top, Jackson proved he's legit and Lynch is also a good talent who may get one more shot sometime)

-returning kicks which may cause injury or possibly wear him out a bit

-known as an outside runner, can he run inside consistently?

-not a lot of surrounding talent

-will he get GL carries?

BEST GOOD ( )

-HC absolutely loves him

-on an up and coming offence

-will be the #1 no questions asked

-big play speed, excellent receiver

-can run inside well for a smaller back

BEST BAD

-durability and concussion issues

-Detroit running backs can be a big question mark

-GL carries?

At this point I think Best is the obvious pick in dynasty and re-draft, or is he?

 

[runner06]

Dynasty or redraft/limited keeper?

In dynasty I prefer Spiller. In a redraft league or a league with minimal keepers I'd prefer Best.

 

[Ray_T]

Dynasty or redraft/limited keeper?In dynasty I prefer Spiller. In a redraft league or a league with minimal keepers I'd prefer Best.

I would agree with this.Buffalo can only remain crappy for so long and once the surrounding team is better, then spiller will likely be the better back to have.

 

[eoMMan]

Best

Less competition, imo, and a greater chance to put up numbers with more weapons around him.

 

[Glaven]

I'll take Best in redraft, keeper leagues, and dynasty leagues. Spiller's style will make him a very inconsistent fantasy player.

 

[Ilov80s]

Just a couple comments that might influence people, Best has gotten work as a return man in Detroit practices (although I expect Derrick Williams to be the starter) and Kevin Smith is back and practicing in pads.

 

[ATC1]

Just a couple comments that might influence people, Best has gotten work as a return man in Detroit practices (although I expect Derrick Williams to be the starter) and Kevin Smith is back and practicing in pads.

Isn't Spiller 1st string on the depth chart at RB and returner? I biggest question was Spiller vs Best in return leagues.

 

[Alfredo Garcia]

Dynasty or redraft/limited keeper?

In dynasty I prefer Spiller. In a redraft league or a league with minimal keepers I'd prefer Best.

I would agree with this.Buffalo can only remain crappy for so long and once the surrounding team is better, then spiller will likely be the better back to have.

As a Lee Evans owner in almost every dynasty league I'm in... I wholeheartedly disagree with this.

 

[Garts]

Sorry, it is a keeper league 50/50 yardage/td

 

[Sweet Love]

Can anyone remember a RB with concussions coming INTO the league? I like what best has to offer, but doon't know whether this "head thing" will be a long-term, let alone short-term issue.

 

[gianmarco]

Sorry, it is a keeper league 50/50 yardage/td

You were fine until here. It's a good discussion about these 2 in general but if it's meant for others. It shouldn't be about your league and your scoring. Use the discussion in this thread to make a decision without making it specific to your league or bring it to the ACF. I think the 2 are close, but I prefer Spiller. I think he's got an incredibly high upside.

 

[Futz]

When I see Spiller, I see the hey day of LT. Incredible one cut explosion. However, not a lot of shake with that bake unlike LT.

Best has Westbrook written all over him IMO including the concussion issue to worry about. Shifty and super fast but not a great in between the tackles guy. Limit his touches to "his type" of plays and I think you have something real nice.

I just had a dynasty league rookie draft and I took Spiller. I think his upside long term is better. However, if it's a redraft, I'm taking Best for this year

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Just a couple comments that might influence people, Best has gotten work as a return man in Detroit practices (although I expect Derrick Williams to be the starter) and Kevin Smith is back and practicing in pads.

Isn't Spiller 1st string on the depth chart at RB and returner? I biggest question was Spiller vs Best in return leagues.

Practicing with the first team in a RBBC does not mean RB1 or starter....And even if Spiller ends up the starter he'll still be part of an RBBC which will be stiffer competition then anything Best is up against this year.

 

[runner06]

What I don't understand about C.J. Spiller is why a lot of people here say he can't run between the tackles.

Nfldraftscout.com/sportsline.com draft profile says he is actually a lot better in this area then a lot of people give him credit for.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1127382

He's also been more durable then both Ryan Mathews and Jahvid Best up to this point in their careers. I definitely feel he is underrated right now in dynasty leagues.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Best has less competition and he's in a better offense. I honestly think Best was the better RB in college as well, minus the injuries. Skill is very close.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Jahvid Best in all formats.

Had him ranked higher going into the draft. I do put some stock in landing spots (particularly RB landing spots -- never a fan of 'throwaway' years at that position) so that only increased the disparity in my book. I think Detroit is up the way up & Buffalo's going to remain down for quite awhile. Best is going to be a terror on the turf. I think Smith can also do some damage himself on grass in the colder environments. I actually think it could be a real nice 1-2 punch for the next couple years.

1100 total years in a conservation estimate of Best for his rookie year IMO.

 

[moderated]

Spillers skill set is better suited to nfl running. He's one cut and go whereas best is all over the place running side to side which puts him in positions where he gets blasted. Spiller has a much more efficient runnimg style.

That said for 2010 i think best could very well out produce spiller, but in dynasties its a no brainer to go with spiller.

 

[Garts]

Sorry, it is a keeper league 50/50 yardage/td

You were fine until here. It's a good discussion about these 2 in general but if it's meant for others. It shouldn't be about your league and your scoring. Use the discussion in this thread to make a decision without making it specific to your league or bring it to the ACF. I think the 2 are close, but I prefer Spiller. I think he's got an incredibly high upside.

come on..... manreally?

 

[Glaven]

Sorry, it is a keeper league 50/50 yardage/td

You were fine until here. It's a good discussion about these 2 in general but if it's meant for others. It shouldn't be about your league and your scoring. Use the discussion in this thread to make a decision without making it specific to your league or bring it to the ACF. I think the 2 are close, but I prefer Spiller. I think he's got an incredibly high upside.

come on..... manreally?

Yes really.

 

[Garts]

Sorry, it is a keeper league 50/50 yardage/td

You were fine until here. It's a good discussion about these 2 in general but if it's meant for others. It shouldn't be about your league and your scoring. Use the discussion in this thread to make a decision without making it specific to your league or bring it to the ACF. I think the 2 are close, but I prefer Spiller. I think he's got an incredibly high upside.

come on..... manreally?

Yes really.

someone asked so I answered...my bad.

 

[Glaven]

Sorry, it is a keeper league 50/50 yardage/td

You were fine until here. It's a good discussion about these 2 in general but if it's meant for others. It shouldn't be about your league and your scoring. Use the discussion in this thread to make a decision without making it specific to your league or bring it to the ACF. I think the 2 are close, but I prefer Spiller. I think he's got an incredibly high upside.

come on..... manreally?

Yes really.

someone asked so I answered...my bad.

No one asked about your league scoring.

 

[Garts]

Spiller moving up?

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Spiller moving up?

What's the rest of your roster look like?

 

[gianmarco]

Spiller moving up?

One game shouldn't change anything. Those that believed in him before saw a small piece of confirmation even though it's still early. Those that don't aren't going to be swayed by just one preseason game. Still a lot of time and lots that can happen. My big thing is for those that had Spiller near the top and then moved him down simply because he went to Buffalo and Mathews/Best landed in SD/Det in seemingly better situations. Pre-NFL draft voting had Spiller as the pretty clear #1 and it's interesting that he moved to the #3 spot afterward. Now with the injuries in Buffalo (which is a quick reminder how fleeting situation can be), now some of those are starting to come back around when honestly they never shoulda left in the first place.

 

[Go deep]

Spiller moving up?

What's the rest of your roster look like?

It doesnt matter, this isnt the ACF.

Since you are a newb, i will point this out, which is at the top of every page.

Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

Spiller moving up?

What's the rest of your roster look like?

It doesnt matter, this isnt the ACF.

Since you are a newb, i will point this out, which is at the top of every page.

Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum.

Pretty sure Robo was joking, since the guy he was replying to had made a league-specific comment earlier in the thread (and subsequently was scolded).

 

[mozzy84]

is spiller really returning kicks?

 

[ATC1]

is spiller really returning kicks?

That's what I came to post. He did not get a return against the Colts. Got one PR ( fair catch I think) against the Redskins.

 

[Garts]

Spiller moving up?

One game shouldn't change anything. Those that believed in him before saw a small piece of confirmation even though it's still early. Those that don't aren't going to be swayed by just one preseason game. Still a lot of time and lots that can happen. My big thing is for those that had Spiller near the top and then moved him down simply because he went to Buffalo and Mathews/Best landed in SD/Det in seemingly better situations. Pre-NFL draft voting had Spiller as the pretty clear #1 and it's interesting that he moved to the #3 spot afterward. Now with the injuries in Buffalo (which is a quick reminder how fleeting situation can be), now some of those are starting to come back around when honestly they never shoulda left in the first place.

I am still leaning Best but this whole injury thing is making me re-think things.Spiller looks like he can create even when nothing is there.

 

[Captain Hook]

Bottom line = the one with the most touches this year will have the most points....

Before injuries in Buffalo that was presumed to be Best, but......

 

[Multiple Scores]

Spiller moving up?

One game shouldn't change anything. Those that believed in him before saw a small piece of confirmation even though it's still early. Those that don't aren't going to be swayed by just one preseason game. Still a lot of time and lots that can happen. My big thing is for those that had Spiller near the top and then moved him down simply because he went to Buffalo and Mathews/Best landed in SD/Det in seemingly better situations. Pre-NFL draft voting had Spiller as the pretty clear #1 and it's interesting that he moved to the #3 spot afterward. Now with the injuries in Buffalo (which is a quick reminder how fleeting situation can be), now some of those are starting to come back around when honestly they never shoulda left in the first place.

had spiller at one and mathews at two pre draft. I drafted mathews at one over spiller after long thought. I still have spiller at one in talent, I do still have mathews at one in fantasy production both short and long term. Best was always a distant 3rd for me.

 

[Garts]

Spiller moving up?

One game shouldn't change anything. Those that believed in him before saw a small piece of confirmation even though it's still early. Those that don't aren't going to be swayed by just one preseason game. Still a lot of time and lots that can happen. My big thing is for those that had Spiller near the top and then moved him down simply because he went to Buffalo and Mathews/Best landed in SD/Det in seemingly better situations. Pre-NFL draft voting had Spiller as the pretty clear #1 and it's interesting that he moved to the #3 spot afterward. Now with the injuries in Buffalo (which is a quick reminder how fleeting situation can be), now some of those are starting to come back around when honestly they never shoulda left in the first place.

had spiller at one and mathews at two pre draft. I drafted mathews at one over spiller after long thought. I still have spiller at one in talent, I do still have mathews at one in fantasy production both short and long term. Best was always a distant 3rd for me.

I thought I read somewhere yesterday that Mike Tolbert was the Charger's GL back with the 1st team the other night.Best is Detroit's GL guy so far.Spiller, I assume will be until Lynch or Jackson get back.That stuff makes a difference.

 

[Black]

someone asked so I answered...my bad.No one asked about your league scoring.

Yes they did, and it makes sense. Redraft? PPR? Dynasty? Points per carry? 10 team? 20 team? It all makes a difference and you need the context.It's ridiculous to think ANY question is asked in a vacuum. EVERY question is a loaded question for a person trying to figure out what do to with THEIR team. Noone is pondering life's philosophical football questions just because they have time on their hands...ok, maybe some of the super hard-core dudes sometimes.So as long as they don't say "should I draft Best at 1.03 in my 10 team Dynasty PPR league", it's not AC territory.No one's making you answer his question (or read it for that matter).

 

[Ilov80s]

I like both of them relative to their value in redraft. I like them more than a lot of the RBs going ahead of them.

 

[Garts]

someone asked so I answered...my bad.No one asked about your league scoring.

Yes they did, and it makes sense. Redraft? PPR? Dynasty? Points per carry? 10 team? 20 team? It all makes a difference and you need the context.It's ridiculous to think ANY question is asked in a vacuum. EVERY question is a loaded question for a person trying to figure out what do to with THEIR team. Noone is pondering life's philosophical football questions just because they have time on their hands...ok, maybe some of the super hard-core dudes sometimes.So as long as they don't say "should I draft Best at 1.03 in my 10 team Dynasty PPR league", it's not AC territory.No one's making you answer his question (or read it for that matter).

Black...you would you draft today?

 

[OddibeMcD]

Spiller moving up?

What's the rest of your roster look like?

It doesnt matter, this isnt the ACF.

Since you are a newb, i will point this out, which is at the top of every page.

Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum.

And you think a guy going by the name of ROBOPUNTER hasn't been here before? That was an old debate.

 

[Clifford]

If it's one or the other who are you taking?

Some quick notes on each player. I am not a scout, but some quick observations....

SPILLER GOOD

-drafted 9th, so he will play a lot

-Buffalo RB's tend to put up good stats historically (Travis Henry, McGahee, Lynch, Fred Jackson)

-Spiller is an excellent receiver and has awesome big play speed and skills

-plays through injuries

SPILLER BAD

-competition for carries (even though he should rise to the top, Jackson proved he's legit and Lynch is also a good talent who may get one more shot sometime)

-returning kicks which may cause injury or possibly wear him out a bit

-known as an outside runner, can he run inside consistently?

-not a lot of surrounding talent

-will he get GL carries?

BEST GOOD ( )

-HC absolutely loves him

-on an up and coming offence (for the 6th year running)

-will be the #1 no questions asked maybe

-big play speed, excellent receiver

-can run inside well for a smaller back

BEST BAD

-durability and concussion issues

-Detroit running backs can be a big question mark

-GL carries?

At this point I think Best is the obvious pick in dynasty and re-draft, or is he?

Dynasty it should be Spiller. They are identical backs and one has an injury history.Redraft Spiller is looking like a better bet simply because he has a lot more haters out there than Best, especially in the "influencer" community, and thus his ADP will be in the later rounds, whereas Best will be going in the 4th.

 

[Garts]

If it's one or the other who are you taking?

Some quick notes on each player. I am not a scout, but some quick observations....

SPILLER GOOD

-drafted 9th, so he will play a lot

-Buffalo RB's tend to put up good stats historically (Travis Henry, McGahee, Lynch, Fred Jackson)

-Spiller is an excellent receiver and has awesome big play speed and skills

-plays through injuries

SPILLER BAD

-competition for carries (even though he should rise to the top, Jackson proved he's legit and Lynch is also a good talent who may get one more shot sometime)

-returning kicks which may cause injury or possibly wear him out a bit

-known as an outside runner, can he run inside consistently?

-not a lot of surrounding talent

-will he get GL carries?

BEST GOOD ( )

-HC absolutely loves him

-on an up and coming offence (for the 6th year running)

-will be the #1 no questions asked maybe

-big play speed, excellent receiver

-can run inside well for a smaller back

BEST BAD

-durability and concussion issues

-Detroit running backs can be a big question mark

-GL carries?

At this point I think Best is the obvious pick in dynasty and re-draft, or is he?

Dynasty it should be Spiller. They are identical backs and one has an injury history.Redraft Spiller is looking like a better bet simply because he has a lot more haters out there than Best, especially in the "influencer" community, and thus his ADP will be in the later rounds, whereas Best will be going in the 4th.

thanks Clifford

 

[Clifford]

Just a couple comments that might influence people, Best has gotten work as a return man in Detroit practices (although I expect Derrick Williams to be the starter) and Kevin Smith is back and practicing in pads.

Isn't Spiller 1st string on the depth chart at RB and returner? I biggest question was Spiller vs Best in return leagues.

Practicing with the first team in a RBBC does not mean RB1 or starter....And even if Spiller ends up the starter he'll still be part of an RBBC which will be stiffer competition then anything Best is up against this year.

Both other backs are out game 1, possibly game 2, and all of camp. Explain this please.

 

[Clifford]

Spiller moving up?

One game shouldn't change anything. Those that believed in him before saw a small piece of confirmation even though it's still early. Those that don't aren't going to be swayed by just one preseason game. Still a lot of time and lots that can happen. My big thing is for those that had Spiller near the top and then moved him down simply because he went to Buffalo and Mathews/Best landed in SD/Det in seemingly better situations. Pre-NFL draft voting had Spiller as the pretty clear #1 and it's interesting that he moved to the #3 spot afterward. Now with the injuries in Buffalo (which is a quick reminder how fleeting situation can be), now some of those are starting to come back around when honestly they never shoulda left in the first place.

 

[Avery]

Just a couple comments that might influence people, Best has gotten work as a return man in Detroit practices (although I expect Derrick Williams to be the starter) and Kevin Smith is back and practicing in pads.

Isn't Spiller 1st string on the depth chart at RB and returner? I biggest question was Spiller vs Best in return leagues.

Practicing with the first team in a RBBC does not mean RB1 or starter....And even if Spiller ends up the starter he'll still be part of an RBBC which will be stiffer competition then anything Best is up against this year.

Both other backs are out game 1, possibly game 2, and all of camp. Explain this please.

Since the season is 17 games, not 1 or 2 games, and Lynch and Jackson are superior talents to Kevin Smith, Lynch and Jackson will be around to share carries for 15 or 16 games (barring trades or further injuries) I'd say unless Spiller explodes the first week or two, the analysis is spot on.

 

[Clifford]

Just a couple comments that might influence people, Best has gotten work as a return man in Detroit practices (although I expect Derrick Williams to be the starter) and Kevin Smith is back and practicing in pads.

Isn't Spiller 1st string on the depth chart at RB and returner? I biggest question was Spiller vs Best in return leagues.

Practicing with the first team in a RBBC does not mean RB1 or starter....And even if Spiller ends up the starter he'll still be part of an RBBC which will be stiffer competition then anything Best is up against this year.

Both other backs are out game 1, possibly game 2, and all of camp. Explain this please.

Since the season is 17 games, not 1 or 2 games, and Lynch and Jackson are superior talents to Kevin Smith, Lynch and Jackson will be around to share carries for 15 or 16 games (barring trades or further injuries) I'd say unless Spiller explodes the first week or two, the analysis is spot on.

You are really missing the bigger picture here.

 

[Mr. Fusion]

There is a lot of talk about this being a full-blown RBBC. While things have changed over the years in the NFL considerably, Chan Gailey's past indicates he does not do RBBC.

1998 Cowboys Rushes Yards TDs Yards per game Rec Rec yards Rec TDs Emmitt Smith 319 1332 13 83.3 27 175 2 Sherman Williams 64 220 1 13.8 11 104 0 1999 Cowboys Rushes Yards TDs Yards per game Rec Rec yards Rec TDs Emmitt Smith 329 1397 11 93.1 27 119 2 Chris Warren 99 403 2 25.2 34 224 0 2000 Dolphins Rushes Yards TDs Yards per game Rec Rec yards Rec TDs Lamar Smith 309 1139 14 75.9 31 201 2 J.J. Johnson 50 168 1 12.9 10 61 0 2001 Dolphins Rushes Yards TDs Yards per game Rec Rec yards Rec TDs Lamar Smith 313 968 6 60.5 30 234 2 Travis Minor 59 281 2 17.6 29 263 1 2008 Chiefs Rushes Yards TDs Yards per game Rec Rec yards Rec TDs Larry Johnson 193 874 5 72.8 12 74 0 Jamaal Charles 67 357 0 22.3 27 272 1
Obviously, Emmitt Smith is Emmitt Smith. No one on those teams could sniff his talent. Lamar Smith, however, is not a special player and Jamaal Charles didn't get on the field much with Larry Johnson declining. I'm not saying I know for sure that Spiller will be the guy, but whichever RB Gailey decides to feature will have value as an RB2.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think Spiller baring injury takes this job over and never looks back.

 

[TheFanatic]

I've got to make this very decision in about 29 hours. Really torn at this point...

 

[Shutout]

I'll take Best in redraft, keeper leagues, and dynasty leagues. Spiller's style will make him a very inconsistent fantasy player.

This...or is it that? Whcihever, this (or that) is the long and short of it. If you can't run inside, you're a jack of all trades, which translated from Latin is "COP/hybrid back".

 

[Shutout]

There is a lot of talk about this being a full-blown RBBC. While things have changed over the years in the NFL considerably, Chan Gailey's past indicates he does not do RBBC.

That's very true but his history also indicates that he uses backs in those roles that can run inside. Spiller doesn't look like that type of guy and Chan, himself, has said repeatedly that they are going to use him in various roles. I don't think people are listening to what is being said enough. That screams "Reggie Bush" more than it does "Emmitt Smith" type roles.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

I've got to make this very decision in about 29 hours. Really torn at this point...

BestAnd by Best I mean Spiller, because surely I just jinxed Best.

 

[Black]

someone asked so I answered...my bad.

No one asked about your league scoring.

Yes they did, and it makes sense. Redraft? PPR? Dynasty? Points per carry? 10 team? 20 team? It all makes a difference and you need the context.It's ridiculous to think ANY question is asked in a vacuum. EVERY question is a loaded question for a person trying to figure out what do to with THEIR team. Noone is pondering life's philosophical football questions just because they have time on their hands...ok, maybe some of the super hard-core dudes sometimes.

So as long as they don't say "should I draft Best at 1.03 in my 10 team Dynasty PPR league", it's not AC territory.

No one's making you answer his question (or read it for that matter).

Black...you would you draft today?

I don't know...and I am afraid to say, because I might get the 1.03 in my 10 team Dynasty PPR league, and I don't want to make it all about me. Ha ha.

Actually, I am very interested in the topic and might be making this very decision in a week. I am glad people are talking specifics, dynasty, kick returns, long-term vs. short-term, skill vs. opportunity. It looks about 50/50 for the support here (altho, seems people prefer J. Best for redraft/one-year).

Sigmund Bloom swears by Spiller; Matt Waldman swears by Best. I trust both of those guys implicitly, and have no way to do a tie-breaker. Sigmund is a great analyst who spots trends before they are trends, and seems to hit on how college talent will translate to the Pros. Waldman is a great talent assessor who has massive insights on rookies from watching tons of game film.

Right now, I'd go with the consensus...Best in redraft, shallow keeper; Spiller in Dynasty. Bump both up a round or two in PPR.

I don't know if they got to my question last night on the audible (question #30), but I asked them to debate this very question.

 

[Black]

Dynasty it should be Spiller. They are identical backs and one has an injury history.

Redraft Spiller is looking like a better bet simply because he has a lot more haters out there than Best, especially in the "influencer" community, and thus his ADP will be in the later rounds, whereas Best will be going in the 4th.

Excellent point. For Redraft, Spiller can be had around 6th round in PPR (unless he's creeping up with the FredJax injury news) and is the better value. Best costs more.