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7.01 nittanylion - Matt Lienart, QB16, ARI 7

8.16 nittanylion - Kurt Warner, QB27, ARI 7

1.01 nittanylion - Steven Jackson, RB1, STL 5

5.01 nittanylion - Julius Jones, RB28, SEA 4

12.16 nittanylion - Dominic Rhodes, RB53, IND 4

18.16 nittanylion - Adrian 'The Other AP' Peterson, RB65, CHI 8

2.16 nittanylion - Wes Welker, WR13, NE 4

4.16 nittanylion - Hines Ward, WR23, PIT 6

6.16 nittanylion - D.J. Hackett, WR37, CAR 9

9.01 nittanylion - Muhsin Muhammed, WR49, CAR 9

10.16 nittanylion - Kevin Walter, WR63, HOU 8

3.01 nittanylion - Chris Cooley, TE4, WAS 10

15.01 nittanylion - Leonard Pope, TE25, ARI 7

17.01 nittanylion - Visanthe Shiancoe, TE31, MIN 8

13.01 nittanylion - Stephen Gostkowski, PK2, NE 4

16.16 nittanylion - Matt Bryant, PK25, TB 10

11.02 nittanylion - Jacksonville Jaguars, Def/ST4, JAX 7

14.16 nittanylion - Buffalo Bills, Def/ST25 6

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3.02 switz - Tony Romo, QB3, DAL 10

18.15 switz - Brady Quinn, QB34, CLE 5

1.02 switz - LaDanian Tomlinson, RB2, SD 9

4.15 switz - Felix Jones, RB27, DAL 10

6.15 switz - Rudi Johnson, RB32, CIN 8

17.02 switz - Jamaal Charles, RB62, KC 6

5.02 switz - Jerry Porter, WR24, JAX 7

7.02 switz - Sidney Rice, WR38, MIN 8

8.15 switz - Bryant Johnson, WR48, SF 9

9.02 switz - Roydell Williams, WR50, TEN 6

11.02 switz - Robert Meachem, WR64, NO 9

14.15 switz - Ben Obomanu, WR79, SEA 4

2.15 switz - Kellen Winslow, TE3, CLE 5

15.02 switz - Anthony Fasano, TE26, MIA 4

12.15 switz - Adam Vinatieri, K1, IND 4

16.15 switz - Jason Elam, PK24, ATL 7

10.15 switz - Pittsburgh, Def/ST3, PIT 6

13.02 switz - Indianapolis, Def/ST13, IND 4

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5.03 El Super Gringo - Derek Anderson, QB9, CLE 5

1.03 El Super Gringo - Adrian "ADP" Peterson, RB3, MIN 8

4.14 El Super Gringo - Jonathon Stewart, RB26, CAR 9

6.14 El Super Gringo - Kevin Smith, RB31, DET 4

7.03 El Super Gringo - DeAngelo Williams, RB33, CAR 9

2.14 El Super Gringo - Brandon Marshall, WR12, DEN 8

3.03 El Super Gringo - Chad Johnson, WR14, CIN 8

8.14 El Super Gringo - Ernest Graham, WR47, MIA 4

9.03 El Super Gringo - Mark Clayton, WR51, BAL 10

11.03 El Super Gringo - James Hardy, WR65, BUF 6

14.14 El Super Gringo - Devin Hester, WR78, CHI 8

17.03 El Super Gringo - Jeff Webb, WR82, KC 6

18.14 El Super Gringo - Lavelle Hawkins, WR94, TEN 6

10.14 El Super Gringo - Marcedes Lewis, TE21, JAX 7

16.14 El Super Gringo - Alex Smith, TE30, TB 10

15.03 El Super Gringo - Mason Crosby, PK8, GB 8

12.14 El Super Gringo - Seattle Seahwaks, Def/ST12 4

13.03 El Super Gringo - Philadelphia Eagles, Def/ST14 7

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4.13 Road Warriors - Matt Hasselbeck, QB8, SEA 4

8.13 Road Warriors - Tavaris Jackson, QB, MIN 8

1.04 Road Warriors - Brian Westbrook, RB4, PHI 7

7.04 Road Warriors - Travis Henry, RB34, DEN 8

11.04 Road Warriors - Warrick Dunn, RB43, TB 10

13.04 Road Warriors - Kevin Faulk, RB54, NE 4

3.04 Road Warriors - Plaxico Burress, WR15, NYG 4

5.04 Road Warriors - Roddy White, WR25, ATL 7

6.13 Road Warriors - Bobby Engram, WR36, SEA 4

9.04 Road Warriors - Ronald Curry, WR52, OAK 5

10.13 Road Warriors - Antwaan Randel El, WR62, WAS 10

18.13 Road Warriors - Justin McCareins, WR93, TEN 6

2.13 Road Warriors - Jason Witten, TE2, DAL 10

16.13 Road Warriors - Kevin Boss, TE29, NYG 4

14.13 Road Warriors - Rob Bironas, PK7, TEN 6

17.04 Road Warriors - Shaun Suisham, PK26, WAS 10

12.13 Road Warriors - Tennessee Titans, Def/ST11 6

15.04 Road Warriors - Washington Redskins, Def/ST26 10

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5.05 EBF - Jay Cutler, QB10, DEN 8

7.05 EBF - Vince Young, QB17, TEN 6

1.05 EBF - Clinton Portis, RB5, WAS 10

6.12 EBF - Chris Johnson, RB30, TEN 6

10.12 EBF - Tatum Bell, RB42, DET 4

12.12 EBF - Ray Rice, RB52, BAL 10

2.12 EBF - Anquan Boldin, WR11, ARI 7

4.12 EBF - Laverneous Coles, WR22, NYJ 5

8.12 EBF - Theodore Ginn Jr., WR46, MIA 4

9.05 EBF - Laurent Robinson, WR53, ATL 7

11.05 EBF - Brandon Stokley, WR66, DEN 8

18.12 EBF - Early Doucet, WR92, ARI 7

3.05 EBF - Tony Gonzalez, TE5, KC 6

13.05 EBF - Dustin Keller, TE23, NYJ 5

15.05 EBF - John Kasay, PK9, CAR 9

16.12 EBF - Rian Lindell, PK23, BUF 6

14.12 EBF - New Orleans Saints, Def/ST24 9

17.05 EBF - St. Louis Rams, DEF30 5

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5.06 Gamma1210 - Marc Bulger - QB11 - STL 5

7.06 Gamma1210 - Jason Campbell, QB18, WAS 10

1.06 Gamma1210 - Joseph Addai, RB6, IND 4

3.06 Gamma1210 - Ronnie Brown, RB15, MIA 4

8.11 Gamma1210 - Deuce McAllister, RB38, NO 9

11.06 Gamma1210 - Ahman Green, RB44, HOU 8

2.11 Gamma1210 - Torry Holt, WR10, STL 5

4.11 Gamma1210 - Greg Jennings, WR21, GB 8

6.11 Gamma1210 - Derrick Mason, WR35, BAL 10

10.11 Gamma1210 - Amani Toomer, WR61, NYG 4

12.11 Gamma1210 - Chad Jackson, WR75, NE 4

18.11 Gamma1210 - Earl Bennett, WR91, CHI 8

9.06 Gamma1210 - Donald Lee, TE14, GB 8

16.11 Gamma1210 - John Carlson, TE28, SEA 4

15.06 Gamma1210 - Phil Dawson, PK10, CLE 5

17.06 Gamma1210 - Jay Feely, PK27, MIA 4

13.06 Gamma1210 - Oakland Raiders, Def/ST15 5

14.11 Gamma1210 - Houston Texans, Def/ST23 8

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4.10 wraith5 - Donovan McNabb, QB7, PHI 7

7.07 wraith5 - Jake Delhomme, QB19, CAR 9

1.07 wraith5 - Frank Gore, RB7, SF 9

3.07 wraith5 - Earnest Graham, RB16, TB 10

13.07 wraith5 - Lorenzo Booker, RB55, PHI 7

14.10 wraith5 - Sammy Morris, RB59, NE 4

18.10 wraith5 - Chris Perry, RB64, CIN 5

2.10 wraith5 - Steve Smith, WR9, CAR 9

6.10 wraith5 - Javon Walker, WR34, OAK 5

8.10 wraith5 - Nate Burleson, WR45, SEA 4

9.07 wraith5 - Reggie Williams, WR54, JAX 7

12.10 wraith5 - Shaun McDonald, WR74, DET 4

17.07 wraith5 - Josh Reed, WR83, BUF 6

5.07 wraith5 - Todd Heap, TE6, BAL 10

10.10 wraith5 - Greg Olsen, TE20, CHI 8

16.10 wraith5 - Lawrence Tynes, PK22, NYG 4

15.07 wraith5 - Josh Scobee, PK11, JAX 7

11.07 wraith5 - Chicago Bears, Def/ST5, CHI 8

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7.08 anthony borbely - Aaron Rodgers, QB20, GB 8

8.09 anthony borbely - Alex Smith, QB25, SF 9

1.08 anthony borbely - Larry Johnson, RB8, KC 6

3.08 anthony borbely - Jamal Lewis, RB17, CLE 5

10.09 anthony borbely - Jerious Norwood, RB41, ATL 7

12.09 anthony borbely - Ricky Williams, RB51, MIA 4

4.09 anthony borbely - Jericho Cotchery, WR20, NYJ 5

5.08 anthony borbely - Santana Moss, WR26, WAS 10

6.09 anthony borbely - Joey Galloway, WR33, TB 10

9.08 anthony borbely - Arnaz Battle, WR55, SF 9

11.08 anthony borbely - Marty Booker, WR67, CHI 8

13.08 anthony borbely - Demetrius Williams, WR77, BAL 10

2.09 anthony borbely - Antonio Gates, TE1, SD 9

18.09 anthony borbely - Bo Scaife, TE33, TEN 6

16.09 anthony borbely - Jeff Reed, PK21, PIT 5

17.08 anthony borbely - Matt Prater, PK28, ATL 7

14.09 anthony borbely - Carolina Panthers, Def/ST22 9

15.08 anthony borbely - San Francisco 49ers, Def/ST27 9

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4.08 Norsemen - Ben Roethlisberger, QB6, PIT 6

8.08 Norsemen - JaMarcus Russell, QB24, OAK 5

3.09 Norsemen - Michael Turner, RB18, ATL 7

6.08 Norsemen - Rashard Mendenhall, RB29, PIT 6

10.08 Norsemen - Leon Washington, RB40, NYJ 5

12.08 Norsemen - Kenny Watson, RB50, CIN 8

1.09 Norsemen - Randy Moss, WR1, NE 4

2.08 Norsemen - T.J. Houshmanzadeh, WR8, CIN 8

7.09 Norsemen - Reggie Brown, WR39, PHI 7

9.09 Norsemen - Drew Bennett, WR56, STL 5

11.09 Norsemen - James Jones, WR68, GB 8

18.08 Norsemen - Terry Glenn, WR90, DAL 10

5.09 Norsemen - Dallas Clark, TE7, IND 4

14.08 Norsemen - Ben Utecht, TE24, CIN 8

16.08 Norsemen - Jason Hanson, PK20, DET 6

17.09 Norsemen - Taylor Mehlhaff, PK29, NO 9

13.09 Norsemen - Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Def/ST16 10

15.09 Norsemen - Miami Dolphins, Def/ST28 4

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5.10 beachbum - Matt Schaub, QB12, HOU 8

7.10 beachbum - Trent Edwards, QB21, BUF 6

13.10 beachbum - Matt Ryan, QB29, ATL 7

18.07 beachbum - Sage Rosenfels, QB33, HOU 8

1.10 beachbum - Marion Barber, RB9, DAL 10

4.07 beachbum - Fred Taylor, RB25, JAX 7

9.10 beachbum - Chris Brown, RB38, HOU 8

2.07 beachbum - Marques Colston, WR7, NO 9

3.10 beachbum - Santonio Holmes, WR16, PIT 6

6.07 beachbum - Anthony Gonzalez, WR32, IND 4

17.10 beachbum - Jacoby Jones, WR84, HOU 8

8.07 beachbum - Zach Miller, TE13, OAK 5

10.07 beachbum - Randy McMichael, TE18, STL 5

12.07 beachbum - Jeff King, TE22, CAR 9

15.10 beachbum - Kris Brown, PK12, HOU 8

16.07 beachbum - Mike Nugent, PK19, NYJ 4

11.10 beachbum - Dallas Cowboys, Def/ST6, DAL 10

14.07 beachbum - Cleveland Browns, Def/ST21 5

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3.11 MOP - Drew Brees, QB4, NO 9

14.06 MOP - Brody Croyle, QB30, KC 6

1.11 MOP - Reggie Bush, RB10, NO 9

7.11 MOP - Chester Taylor, RB35, MIN 8

8.06 MOP - Amhad Bradshaw, RB37, NYG 4

13.11 MOP - LaMont Jordan, RB56, OAK 5

2.06 MOP - Andre Johnson, WR6, HOU 8

4.06 MOP - Lee Evans, WR20, BUF 6

5.11 MOP - Donald Driver, WR27, GB 8

9.11 MOP - Jabar Gaffney, WR57, NE 4

12.06 MOP - Nate Washington, WR73, PIT 6

17.11 MOP - Donnie Avery, WR85, STL 5

6.06 MOP - Jeremy Shockey, TE10, NYG? 4?

15.11 MOP - Desmond Clark, TE27, CHI 8

16.06 MOP - Joe Nedney, PK18, SF 9

18.06 MOP - Brandon Coutu, PK31, SEA 4

10.06 MOP - Minnesota Vikings Def/ST2, MIN 8

11.11 MOP - New England Patriots, Def/ST7, NE 4

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6.05 bostonfred - David Garrard, QB15, JAX 7

7.12 bostonfred - Jeff Garcia, QB22, TB 10

1.12 bostonfred - Marshawn Lynch, RB11, BUF 6

3.12 bostonfred - Laurence Maroney, RB19, NE 4

12.05 bostonfred - Brandon Jackson, RB49, GB 8

13.12 bostonfred - Ladell Betts, RB57, WAS 10

2.05 bostonfred - Larry Fitzgerald, WR5, ARI 7

4.05 bostonfred - Dwayne Bowe, WR19, KC 6

5.12 bostonfred - Chris Chambers, WR28, SD 9

8.05 bostonfred - Deion Branch, WR44, SEA 4

16.05 bostonfred - Ike Hilliard, WR81, TB 10

18.05 bostonfred - Joe Jurevicius, WR89, CLE 5

9.12 bostonfred - Ben Watson, TE15, NE 4

10.05 bostonfred - LJ Smith, TE18, PHI 7

15.12 bostonfred - Neil Rackers, PK13, ARI 7

17.12 bostonfred - Sebastian Janikowski, PK30, OAK 5

11.12 bostonfred - Baltimore Ravens, Def/ST8, BAL 10

14.05 bostonfred - Detroit Lions, Def/ST20 4

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5.13 comet - Eli Manning, QB13, NYG 4

9.13 comet - Kellen Clemens, QB28, NYJ 5

18.04 comet - Rex Grossman, QB32, CHI 8

1.13 comet - Ryan Grant, RB12, GB 8

3.13 comet - Willie Parker, RB20, PIT 6

8.04 comet - Matt Forte, RB36, CHI 8

11.13 comet - Justin Fargas RB44, OAK 5

15.13 comet - Correll Buckhalter, RB60, PHI 7

2.04 comet - Braylon Edwards, WR4, CLE 5

4.04 comet - Calvin Johnson, WR18, DET 4

6.04 comet - Marvin Harrison, WR31, IND 4

12.04 comet - Mark Bradley, WR72, CHI 8

17.13 comet - Drew Carter, WR86, OAK 5

7.13 comet - Vernon Davis, TE11, SF 9

13.13 comet - Josh Brown, PK3, STL 5

16.04 comet - Matt Stover, PK17, BAL 10

10.4 comet - San Diego Chargers, Def/ST1, SD 9

14.04 comet - Denver Broncos, Def/ST19 8

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6.03 Steel Dillo - Phillip Rivers, QB14, SD 9

8.03 Steel Dillo - Jon Kitna, QB23, DET 4

1.14 Steel Dillo - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB13, JAX 7

4.03 Steel Dillo - Thomas Jones, RB24, NYJ 5

11.14 Steel Dillo - Cedric Benson, RB45, CHI 8

16.03 Steel Dillo - Pierre Thomas, RB61, NO 9

2.03 Steel Dillo - Terrell Owens, WR3, DAL 10

3.14 Steel Dillo - Roy Williams, WR17, DET 4

9.14 Steel Dillo - Justin Gage, WR58, TEN 6

10.03 Steel Dillo - Michael Jenkins, WR60, ATL 7

12.03 Steel Dillo - David Patten, WR71, NO 9

18.03 Steel Dillo - Devard Darling, WR88, KC 6

5.14 Steel Dillo - Owen Daniels, TE8, HOU 8

7.14 Steel Dillo - Heath Miller, TE12, PIT 6

13.14 Steel Dillo - Nick Folk, PK4, DAL 10

15.14 Steel Dillo - Robbie Gould, PK14, CHI 8

17.14 Steel Dillo - Atlanta Falcons, Def/ST31 7

14.03 Steel Dillo - New York Jets, Def/ST18 5

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4.02 commuterman - Carson Palmer, QB5, CIN 8

17.15 commuterman - Kyle Boller, QB31, BAL 10

1.15 commuterman - Willis McGahee, RB14, BAL 10

3.15 commuterman - Darren McFadden, RB21, OAK 5

6.02 commuterman - LenDale White, RB28, TEN 6

9.15 commuterman - Selvin Young, RB39, DEN 8

2.02 commuterman - Reggie Wayne, WR2, IND 4

5.15 commuterman - Kevin Curtis, WR29, PHI 7

7.15 commuterman - Bernard Berrian, WR40, MIN 8

8.02 commuterman - Isaac Bruce, WR43, SF 9

12.02 commuterman - Steve Smith, WR70, NYG 4

16.02 commuterman - Devin Thomas, WR80, WAS 10

10.02 commuterman - Alge Crumpler, TE17, TEN 6

18.02 commuterman - Chris Baker, TE32, NYJ 5

13.15 commuterman - Nate Kaeding, PK5, SD 9

15.15 commuterman - Ryan Longwell, PK15, MIN 8

11.15 commuterman - NY Giants, Def/ST9, NYG 4

14.02 commuterman - Arizona Cardinals, Def/ST17 7

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1.16 teamramrod - Tom Brady, QB1, NE 4

2.01 teamramrod - Peyton Manning, QB2, IND 4

3.16 teamramrod - Brandon Jacobs, RB22, NYG 4

4.01 teamramrod - Edgerrin James, RB23, ARI 7

14.01 teamramrod - T.J Duckett, RB58, SEA 4

17.16 teamramrod - DeShaun Foster, RB63, SF 9

6.01 teamramrod - Vincent Jackson, WR30, SD 9

7.16 teamramrod - Donte Stallworth, WR41, CLE 5

8.01 teamramrod - Patrick Crayton, WR42, DAL 10

10. 1 teamramrod - Darrel Jackson, WR59, DEN 8

11.16 teamramrod - Jason Avant, WR69, PHI 7

18.01 teamramrod - Devery Henderson, WR87, NO 9

5.16 teamramrod - Tony Scheffler, TE9, DEN 8

9. 16 teamramrod - Eric Johnson, TE16, NO 9

13.16 teamramrod - Shayne Graham, PK6, CIN 8

16.01 teamramrod - David Akers, PK16, PHI 7

12.01 teamramrod - Green Bay Packers, Def/ST10 8

15.16 teamramrod - Kansas City Chiefs, DEF29 6

Week 4: NYG, DET, SEA, NE, INDY, MIA

Week 5: STL, NYJ, CLE, OAK

Week 6: BUF, PIT, TEN, KC

Week 7: PHI, ATL, AZ, JAX

Week 8: DEN, CHI, GB, MIN, CIN, HOU

Week 9: SD, NO, CAR, SF

Week 10: DAL, WASH, TB, BAL

 

[CommuterMan]

Most teams are doing well to coordinate bye-weeks. The big issues are for teamramrod - both Brady and Manning with the same bye, however the more critical one is El Super Gringo who has ADP, Marshall and CJ (his top 3 picks) all off in week 8!!! Good luck with the amnesty guys!!!

I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

 

[switz]

I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

I agree. Interestingly, they pick right next to one another - good indication that place in the draft order is probably best.

 

[CommuterMan]

I agree. Interestingly, they pick right next to one another - good indication that place in the draft order is probably best.

I do like the middle of the draft order in serpentine drafts but recently with these survivor drafts I have found myself at either end of the list. It's nice to get two picks back-to-back or close in time but it makes it difficult to time runs.

 

[el super gringo]

Most teams are doing well to coordinate bye-weeks. The big issues are for teamramrod - both Brady and Manning with the same bye, however the more critical one is El Super Gringo who has ADP, Marshall and CJ (his top 3 picks) all off in week 8!!! Good luck with the amnesty guys!!! I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

First year doing survivor drafts. Byes are way more impt here than regular leagues. Seems I've bunked it up. We'll see if I can fix it.

 

[Gamma1210]

I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

I agree. Interestingly, they pick right next to one another - good indication that place in the draft order is probably best.

I like those teams too. At those spots you get a RB in that big 2nd tier and a 1st tier WR. I don't like Evans normally, but best ball is the best format for him.Drafting 6th I got Addai who is at the top of the 2nd tier of RBs and came back with Holt who is in my 2nd tier of WRs. As long as I can cover my RBs bye weeks I like my team.

 

[switz]

Most teams are doing well to coordinate bye-weeks. The big issues are for teamramrod - both Brady and Manning with the same bye, however the more critical one is El Super Gringo who has ADP, Marshall and CJ (his top 3 picks) all off in week 8!!! Good luck with the amnesty guys!!! I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

First year doing survivor drafts. Byes are way more impt here than regular leagues. Seems I've bunked it up. We'll see if I can fix it.

You could start by making your pick....

 

[Road Warriors]

Most teams are doing well to coordinate bye-weeks. The big issues are for teamramrod - both Brady and Manning with the same bye, however the more critical one is El Super Gringo who has ADP, Marshall and CJ (his top 3 picks) all off in week 8!!! Good luck with the amnesty guys!!! I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

First year doing survivor drafts. Byes are way more impt here than regular leagues. Seems I've bunked it up. We'll see if I can fix it.

You could start by making your pick....

 

[Road Warriors]

Aside from the noted BF & MOP, I like Norsemen and Gamma1210, especially if the high risk/reward players come through in Mendenhall and Ronnie Brown, repsectively.

I like my squad so far, but I already see holes that will need some breaks to fill. Next few rounds will be very critical to this team.

 

[switz]

TRR and Gamma are likely hoping for really good week 3's...

Gringo obviously looking for a great week 7

 

[BassNBrew]

I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

I agree. Interestingly, they pick right next to one another - good indication that place in the draft order is probably best.

People are letting a ton of value slide to Fred and MOP.

 

[CommuterMan]

I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

I agree. Interestingly, they pick right next to one another - good indication that place in the draft order is probably best.

People are letting a ton of value slide to Fred and MOP.

Sorry BnB... I won't let it happen again...

 

[switz]

I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

I agree. Interestingly, they pick right next to one another - good indication that place in the draft order is probably best.

People are letting a ton of value slide to Fred and MOP.

Disagree... there have been a few picks far outside of their ADP, but none of BF's or MOP's picks are really low compared their ADP in the other leagues. I can see you enjoy coming in here and insulting the makeup of this league like a red headed stepchild, but your comments have little to no basis. Unless you want to support your grand sweeping statements on a week-legged set of "evidence."3.11 MOP - Drew Brees, QB4, NO 9 (SSL1:QB4 4.02 | SSL2:QB4 4.02 | SSL3:QB4 4.04) - MOP took him at QB41.11 MOP - Reggie Bush, RB10, NO 9 (SSL1:RB13 1.15 | SSL2:RB8 1.9 | SSL3:RB8 1.10) - MOP took him within range2.06 MOP - Andre Johnson, WR6, HOU 8 (SSL1:WR9 2.11 | SSL2:WR5 2.7 | SSL3:WR5 2.06) - MOP Took him within range4.06 MOP - Lee Evans, WR20, BUF 6 (SSL1:WR12 2.15 | SSL2:WR17 3.14 | SSL3:WR20 4.03) - MOP took at low end of range5.11 MOP - Donald Driver, WR27, GB 8 (SSL1:WR29 5.13 | SSL2:WR26 5.4 | SSL3:WR27 5.09) - MOP took him within range6.06 MOP - Jeremy Shockey, TE10, NYG? 4? (SSL1:TE8 5.12 | SSL2:TE8 5.9 | SSL3:TE8 5.07) - MOP took at TE10, 2 spots lower than the other draftsThere's not a ton of value - Evans fell, but not for compared to SSL 3, and Shockey dropped, likely due to uncertainty about his situation. 6.05 bostonfred - David Garrard, QB15, JAX 7 (SSL1:QB12 5.07 | SSL2:QB13 5.11 | SSL3:QB13 5.14) - BF got him 2 spots low in rank, half a round low1.12 bostonfred - Marshawn Lynch, RB11, BUF 6 (SSL1:RB8 1.08 | SSL2:RB7 1.7 | SSL3:RB9 1.11) - 2-4 spots low in rank, 1 spot low in pick3.12 bostonfred - Laurence Maroney, RB19, NE 4 (SSL1:RB18 3.06 | SSL2:RB16 2.13 | SSL3:RB18 3.07) - within range2.05 bostonfred - Larry Fitzgerald, WR5, ARI 7 (SSL1:WR6 2.07 | SSL2:WR4 2.5 | SSL3:WR4 2.04) - within range4.05 bostonfred - Dwayne Bowe, WR19, KC 6 (SSL1:WR20 4.04 | SSL2:WR21 4.8 | SSL3:WR19 4.02) - within range5.12 bostonfred - Chris Chambers, WR28, SD 9 (SSL1:WR24 4.12 | SSL2:WR27 5.5 | SSL3:WR25 5.03) - 1-3 ranks low, near range for pickThe biggest outlier is Garrard, and at this range of QBs it's not really a steal.

 

[CommuterMan]

I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

I agree. Interestingly, they pick right next to one another - good indication that place in the draft order is probably best.

People are letting a ton of value slide to Fred and MOP.

Disagree... there have been a few picks far outside of their ADP, but none of BF's or MOP's picks are really low compared their ADP in the other leagues. I can see you enjoy coming in here and insulting the makeup of this league like a red headed stepchild, but your comments have little to no basis. Unless you want to support your grand sweeping statements on a week-legged set of "evidence."

Yeah what Switz said!!!

 

[wraith5]

I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

I agree. Interestingly, they pick right next to one another - good indication that place in the draft order is probably best.

People are letting a ton of value slide to Fred and MOP.

A ton? I don't see a ton on either, although I like Fred's team better than MoP's1.11 MOP - Reggie Bush, RB10, NO 9 - a little surprised he slipped that far. Good value for a 1st rounder3.11 MOP - Drew Brees, QB4, NO 9 - solid2.06 MOP - Andre Johnson, WR6, HOU 8 - solid4.06 MOP - Lee Evans, WR20, BUF 6 - Evans had three great games last year - 3!! Same scheme, same QB, and a rook on the opposite side. 5.11 MOP - Donald Driver, WR27, GB 8 - Driver has turned into Derrick Mason. Nothing wrong with that, except it isn't Favre throwing the rock anymore. 6.06 MOP - Jeremy Shockey, TE10, NYG? 4? - which Shockey do you get: '05-'06 Shockey, or the guy who got 20% of his production in 1 game? I don't see tremendous value here. ---6.05 bostonfred - David Garrard, QB15, JAX 7 - some upside here, good value at QB151.12 bostonfred - Marshawn Lynch, RB11, BUF 6 - not my fav in PPR format, but hey - I drafted him in WSL3 (at 1.15)3.12 bostonfred - Laurence Maroney, RB19, NE 4 - I think there were better options left on the board at 3.12. I like Jacobs, Jones, James, and Fred Taylor better. 2.05 bostonfred - Larry Fitzgerald, WR5, ARI 7 - solid4.05 bostonfred - Dwayne Bowe, WR19, KC 6 - very good value5.12 bostonfred - Chris Chambers, WR28, SD 9 - maybe my favorite pick of the bunch. Had I not gone Heap, this was my guy in 5. Overall a very good team as long as weeks 6 & 7 don't get any worse.

 

[BassNBrew]

I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

I agree. Interestingly, they pick right next to one another - good indication that place in the draft order is probably best.

People are letting a ton of value slide to Fred and MOP.

Disagree... there have been a few picks far outside of their ADP, but none of BF's or MOP's picks are really low compared their ADP in the other leagues. I can see you enjoy coming in here and insulting the makeup of this league like a red headed stepchild, but your comments have little to no basis. Unless you want to support your grand sweeping statements on a week-legged set of "evidence."3.11 MOP - Drew Brees, QB4, NO 9 (SSL1:QB4 4.02 | SSL2:QB4 4.02 | SSL3:QB4 4.04) - MOP took him at QB41.11 MOP - Reggie Bush, RB10, NO 9 (SSL1:RB13 1.15 | SSL2:RB8 1.9 | SSL3:RB8 1.10) - MOP took him within range2.06 MOP - Andre Johnson, WR6, HOU 8 (SSL1:WR9 2.11 | SSL2:WR5 2.7 | SSL3:WR5 2.06) - MOP Took him within range4.06 MOP - Lee Evans, WR20, BUF 6 (SSL1:WR12 2.15 | SSL2:WR17 3.14 | SSL3:WR20 4.03) - MOP took at low end of range5.11 MOP - Donald Driver, WR27, GB 8 (SSL1:WR29 5.13 | SSL2:WR26 5.4 | SSL3:WR27 5.09) - MOP took him within range6.06 MOP - Jeremy Shockey, TE10, NYG? 4? (SSL1:TE8 5.12 | SSL2:TE8 5.9 | SSL3:TE8 5.07) - MOP took at TE10, 2 spots lower than the other draftsThere's not a ton of value - Evans fell, but not for compared to SSL 3, and Shockey dropped, likely due to uncertainty about his situation. 6.05 bostonfred - David Garrard, QB15, JAX 7 (SSL1:QB12 5.07 | SSL2:QB13 5.11 | SSL3:QB13 5.14) - BF got him 2 spots low in rank, half a round low1.12 bostonfred - Marshawn Lynch, RB11, BUF 6 (SSL1:RB8 1.08 | SSL2:RB7 1.7 | SSL3:RB9 1.11) - 2-4 spots low in rank, 1 spot low in pick3.12 bostonfred - Laurence Maroney, RB19, NE 4 (SSL1:RB18 3.06 | SSL2:RB16 2.13 | SSL3:RB18 3.07) - within range2.05 bostonfred - Larry Fitzgerald, WR5, ARI 7 (SSL1:WR6 2.07 | SSL2:WR4 2.5 | SSL3:WR4 2.04) - within range4.05 bostonfred - Dwayne Bowe, WR19, KC 6 (SSL1:WR20 4.04 | SSL2:WR21 4.8 | SSL3:WR19 4.02) - within range5.12 bostonfred - Chris Chambers, WR28, SD 9 (SSL1:WR24 4.12 | SSL2:WR27 5.5 | SSL3:WR25 5.03) - 1-3 ranks low, near range for pickThe biggest outlier is Garrard, and at this range of QBs it's not really a steal.

Maybe a "ton" was a bit of an exaggeration, however everyone of Fred's picks is below adp or at it. Summed together it's become a team loaded with value picks. A reach or two before him is all it takes for the last guy in a tier to slip. In this format with 16 teams ofter the worm turns the other way and you're on the outside looking in. He's got two RB1s in my opinion and hasn't sacrificed a WR at WR or QB.Regarding MOP, I only had his recent picks in my head. Shockey really jumped out at me as a steal at TE10.

 

[switz]

6.05 bostonfred - David Garrard, QB15, JAX 7 (SSL1:QB12 5.07 | SSL2:QB13 5.11 | SSL3:QB13 5.14) - BF got him 2 spots low in rank, half a round low

1.12 bostonfred - Marshawn Lynch, RB11, BUF 6 (SSL1:RB8 1.08 | SSL2:RB7 1.7 | SSL3:RB9 1.11) - 2-4 spots low in rank, 1 spot low in pick

3.12 bostonfred - Laurence Maroney, RB19, NE 4 (SSL1:RB18 3.06 | SSL2:RB16 2.13 | SSL3:RB18 3.07) - within range

2.05 bostonfred - Larry Fitzgerald, WR5, ARI 7 (SSL1:WR6 2.07 | SSL2:WR4 2.5 | SSL3:WR4 2.04) - within range

4.05 bostonfred - Dwayne Bowe, WR19, KC 6 (SSL1:WR20 4.04 | SSL2:WR21 4.8 | SSL3:WR19 4.02) - within range

5.12 bostonfred - Chris Chambers, WR28, SD 9 (SSL1:WR24 4.12 | SSL2:WR27 5.5 | SSL3:WR25 5.03) - 1-3 ranks low, near range for pick

The biggest outlier is Garrard, and at this range of QBs it's not really a steal.

Maybe a "ton" was a bit of an exaggeration, however everyone of Fred's picks is below adp or at it. Summed together it's become a team loaded with value picks. A reach or two before him is all it takes for the last guy in a tier to slip. In this format with 16 teams ofter the worm turns the other way and you're on the outside looking in. He's got two RB1s in my opinion and hasn't sacrificed a WR at WR or QB.Regarding MOP, I only had his recent picks in my head. Shockey really jumped out at me as a steal at TE10.

I think that's where we all differ with you and BF. In this league Maroney is great because you don't need to decide when to start him, but with him on you team it is essential you grab another upper tier RB to fill in the 8-10 weeks that Maroney puts up nothing.Last season Maroney put up:

7

7

16

3

12

5

7

9

13

1

16

21

16

24

19

12

I guess that's better than I actually thought it was, but 7 games under 10 points is not a #1 RB. Definitely a solid #2. His concensus on FBG right now is RB17 - best #2 RB to have.

Lynch#10 + Maroney#17 versus LT#1 + Rudi#25? Almost even.

I obviously like my QB and TE far better.

Though I agree BF's WRs are to be envied. I think Bowe will finish the season as a clear #1 WR in a 16 team league.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

I agree. Interestingly, they pick right next to one another - good indication that place in the draft order is probably best.

People are letting a ton of value slide to Fred and MOP.

We're just letting it come to us...nothing special about the picks. My team still needs a lot of work.I did mention though that BF and I picking one right after the next might be interesting...I can't honestly say we have gotten in each other's way at all, but I feel like I knew about where he was going with each pick. I went back and forth between Lynch and Bush, I am betting BF was happy I took Bush.

 

[BassNBrew]

6.05 bostonfred - David Garrard, QB15, JAX 7 (SSL1:QB12 5.07 | SSL2:QB13 5.11 | SSL3:QB13 5.14) - BF got him 2 spots low in rank, half a round low

1.12 bostonfred - Marshawn Lynch, RB11, BUF 6 (SSL1:RB8 1.08 | SSL2:RB7 1.7 | SSL3:RB9 1.11) - 2-4 spots low in rank, 1 spot low in pick

3.12 bostonfred - Laurence Maroney, RB19, NE 4 (SSL1:RB18 3.06 | SSL2:RB16 2.13 | SSL3:RB18 3.07) - within range

2.05 bostonfred - Larry Fitzgerald, WR5, ARI 7 (SSL1:WR6 2.07 | SSL2:WR4 2.5 | SSL3:WR4 2.04) - within range

4.05 bostonfred - Dwayne Bowe, WR19, KC 6 (SSL1:WR20 4.04 | SSL2:WR21 4.8 | SSL3:WR19 4.02) - within range

5.12 bostonfred - Chris Chambers, WR28, SD 9 (SSL1:WR24 4.12 | SSL2:WR27 5.5 | SSL3:WR25 5.03) - 1-3 ranks low, near range for pick

The biggest outlier is Garrard, and at this range of QBs it's not really a steal.

Maybe a "ton" was a bit of an exaggeration, however everyone of Fred's picks is below adp or at it. Summed together it's become a team loaded with value picks. A reach or two before him is all it takes for the last guy in a tier to slip. In this format with 16 teams ofter the worm turns the other way and you're on the outside looking in. He's got two RB1s in my opinion and hasn't sacrificed a WR at WR or QB.Regarding MOP, I only had his recent picks in my head. Shockey really jumped out at me as a steal at TE10.

I think that's where we all differ with you and BF. In this league Maroney is great because you don't need to decide when to start him, but with him on you team it is essential you grab another upper tier RB to fill in the 8-10 weeks that Maroney puts up nothing.Last season Maroney put up:

7

7

16

3

12

5

7

9

13

1

16

21

16

24

19

12

I guess that's better than I actually thought it was, but 7 games under 10 points is not a #1 RB. Definitely a solid #2. His concensus on FBG right now is RB17 - best #2 RB to have.

Lynch#10 + Maroney#17 versus LT#1 + Rudi#25? Almost even.

I obviously like my QB and TE far better.

Though I agree BF's WRs are to be envied. I think Bowe will finish the season as a clear #1 WR in a 16 team league.

Personally I like Maroney more than Lynch this year. You know NE's offense is going to be good and I don't think 15+ TD would be a reach at all for him. I recall Maroney had an injury last year that impacted those early season numbers. Those last 6 games equate to 288 fantasy points over the course of a year.

 

[bostonfred]

I like BostonFred's and MOP's teams thus far. Good balance and solid contributers on their rosters.

I agree. Interestingly, they pick right next to one another - good indication that place in the draft order is probably best.

People are letting a ton of value slide to Fred and MOP.

We're just letting it come to us...nothing special about the picks. My team still needs a lot of work.I did mention though that BF and I picking one right after the next might be interesting...I can't honestly say we have gotten in each other's way at all, but I feel like I knew about where he was going with each pick. I went back and forth between Lynch and Bush, I am betting BF was happy I took Bush.

I'd have been happy with either.

 

[bostonfred]

Bowe was the most difficult pick of my first five rounds, but I am glad I took him. Interested to see if anyone thinks it was a bad pick, and who they would have taken, in the same position.

 

[BassNBrew]

Bowe was the most difficult pick of my first five rounds, but I am glad I took him. Interested to see if anyone thinks it was a bad pick, and who they would have taken, in the same position.

I took Bowe in the 4th round as my WR3. Pick was from a long list I left and I'm not real excited about it. Sophmore jinx and KC QBs have me concerned. In your situation (not looking at byes) I would have selected Lee Evans. He's performed in the past and there may finally be enough weapons to take some of the pressure off him.

 

[bostonfred]

Bowe was the most difficult pick of my first five rounds, but I am glad I took him. Interested to see if anyone thinks it was a bad pick, and who they would have taken, in the same position.

I took Bowe in the 4th round as my WR3. Pick was from a long list I left and I'm not real excited about it. Sophmore jinx and KC QBs have me concerned. In your situation (not looking at byes) I would have selected Lee Evans. He's performed in the past and there may finally be enough weapons to take some of the pressure off him.

Considered him but didn't want to pair him with Lynch. Not the only other player I considered before settling on Bowe. I think I was right after a substantial dropoff at that pick, which is why I think it's such an interesting decision, because there were several similarly ranked players from the next tier down.

 

[switz]

Bowe was the most difficult pick of my first five rounds, but I am glad I took him. Interested to see if anyone thinks it was a bad pick, and who they would have taken, in the same position.

I took Bowe in the 4th round as my WR3. Pick was from a long list I left and I'm not real excited about it. Sophmore jinx and KC QBs have me concerned. In your situation (not looking at byes) I would have selected Lee Evans. He's performed in the past and there may finally be enough weapons to take some of the pressure off him.

I have Bowe in my dynasty league so I'm pretty high on him. He played well last season with a bad QB, and I don't believe in the sophomore jinx, so.

 

[switz]

Wraith must be expecting to put up HUGE points in week 8 to cover for missing his #1 RB and #1 WR in week 9.

I guess he's counting on Walker being a STUD despite only getting 1,000 yards twice in 7 years, totally sucking up the joint last year, and now being on a team without a QB.

And he must also expect Ernest Graham to be a good RB, despite taking 5 years to get a shot at starting, only averaging 4.0 YPC in that shot, and now holding out for more money. LOL.

 

[wraith5]

Wraith must be expecting to put up HUGE points in week 8 to cover for missing his #1 RB and #1 WR in week 9.

I guess he's counting on Walker being a STUD despite only getting 1,000 yards twice in 7 years, totally sucking up the joint last year, and now being on a team without a QB.

And he must also expect Ernest Graham to be a good RB, despite taking 5 years to get a shot at starting, only averaging 4.0 YPC in that shot, and now holding out for more money. LOL.

Why are you talking about me instead of to me? Just a carryover from the real world or what? I expect my squad to put up HUGE points every week - anyone who doesn't think the same about their team is doing it wrong.

I expect Walker to outperform his draft position. I think there will be consistency at QB in Oakland, which will make a big difference in and of itself. I think they have a very capable running game, which should open up some passing lanes if the D can keep games within reach (I do). I think if Walker is healed, he will perform as he has in the seasons he's been healthy. Which means 1000 yards isn't at all outside the realm of possibility.

I expect Graham to be an outstanding RB this season. It took him 4 (not 5) years to really produce, but he was behind Cadilac and Pittman during those years. Surely you're aware of guys who took some time in the NFL to produce. Graham is not the first. And as far as him holding out for more money despite a spotty track record, you should really follow this link.

 

[switz]

I expect my squad to put up HUGE points every week - anyone who doesn't think the same about their team is doing it wrong.

Agreed - just razzin They just won't put up as many points as mine

 

[bostonfred]

Jeff Garcia

Garrard and Garcia are not world beaters, but they're good enough for a QBBC, and I think Gruden/Garcia in year two will see some improvement. Of course, that assumes that Garcia doesn't hold out...

I had planned on taking a QB at this pick, and I feel strongly that Garcia would have been gone at my next pick, so I'm happy to have him. Honest question for you: Do you think Brady/Manning and your TE will outscore Garrard/Garcia and my TE by more than Lynch/Maroney outscores Edge/Jacobs, and my receivers will outscore yours? I'm not being critical; I'm really curious.

For me, I wanted to get a second QB who was a full season starter. There aren't many left, and of the ones remaining, I really like Garcia. I've got two QBs each week and should get 200 yards and 2 TDs or so at a pop. That's not too bad considering the later picks I spent on them. I've got 3 WRs who are the #1 on their own team, 2 RBs who should do the same, and should be able to get the starting TE from at least one team, so I'm happy about that. Not too many teams that can say that much so far.

 

[switz]

Jeff Garcia

Garrard and Garcia are not world beaters, but they're good enough for a QBBC, and I think Gruden/Garcia in year two will see some improvement. Of course, that assumes that Garcia doesn't hold out...

I had planned on taking a QB at this pick, and I feel strongly that Garcia would have been gone at my next pick, so I'm happy to have him.

I took the as fear because he still needs a third QB, and Garcia was his target. Garrard/Garcia is a really nice pairing for you. If I hadn't tagged Romo early, I would have followed a similar strategy of getting to closely ranked mid tier QBs, and hope their bigger games alternated.

Honest question for you: Do you think Brady/Manning and your TE will outscore Garrard/Garcia and my TE by more than Lynch/Maroney outscores Edge/Jacobs, and my receivers will outscore yours? I'm not being critical; I'm really curious.

I think this is the right way to look at teams at this point, it's about matchups. Where you are stronger than me (WR) - is it enough to compensate for where I am stronger than you (QB, RB, TE)?I honestly think week in and out I will have a top-3 QB, a top-2 running game in totals, a top-2 TE, and a mid level WR corps. It should be enough to move me up at least one level next season, if not 2 levels.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's not about scoring the most boys...it's about not scoring the least.

 

[switz]

It's not about scoring the most boys...it's about not scoring the least.

words of wisdom hence - how I've been drafting

 

[Steel Dillo]

6.03 Steel Dillo - Phillip Rivers, QB14, SD 9

8.03 Steel Dillo - Jon Kitna, QB23, DET 4

1.14 Steel Dillo - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB13, JAX 7

4.03 Steel Dillo - Thomas Jones, RB24, NYJ 5

2.03 Steel Dillo - Terrell Owens, WR3, DAL 10

3.14 Steel Dillo - Roy Williams, WR17, DET 4

5.14 Steel Dillo - Owen Daniels, TE8, HOU 8

7.14 Steel Dillo - Heath Miller, TE12, 6

Pretty medicore so far, but mediocre should keep me in the running for quite a while.

 

[teamramrod]

I am just waiting for the kicker run to start.....

 

[teamramrod]

Jeff Garcia

Garrard and Garcia are not world beaters, but they're good enough for a QBBC, and I think Gruden/Garcia in year two will see some improvement. Of course, that assumes that Garcia doesn't hold out...

I had planned on taking a QB at this pick, and I feel strongly that Garcia would have been gone at my next pick, so I'm happy to have him. Honest question for you: Do you think Brady/Manning and your TE will outscore Garrard/Garcia and my TE by more than Lynch/Maroney outscores Edge/Jacobs, and my receivers will outscore yours? I'm not being critical; I'm really curious.

For me, I wanted to get a second QB who was a full season starter. There aren't many left, and of the ones remaining, I really like Garcia. I've got two QBs each week and should get 200 yards and 2 TDs or so at a pop. That's not too bad considering the later picks I spent on them. I've got 3 WRs who are the #1 on their own team, 2 RBs who should do the same, and should be able to get the starting TE from at least one team, so I'm happy about that. Not too many teams that can say that much so far.

Post taken under consideration. Response will come when the full draft is finished.However. I have Brian Griese on my Dynasty roster for a reason.

 

[BassNBrew]

6.03 Steel Dillo - Phillip Rivers, QB14, SD 98.03 Steel Dillo - Jon Kitna, QB23, DET 41.14 Steel Dillo - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB13, JAX 74.03 Steel Dillo - Thomas Jones, RB24, NYJ 52.03 Steel Dillo - Terrell Owens, WR3, DAL 103.14 Steel Dillo - Roy Williams, WR17, DET 45.14 Steel Dillo - Owen Daniels, TE8, HOU 87.14 Steel Dillo - Heath Miller, TE12, 6Pretty medicore so far, but mediocre should keep me in the running for quite a while.

I like this team except for Miller at 7.14. WR3 would have offer better value than TE2.

 

[Steel Dillo]

6.03 Steel Dillo - Phillip Rivers, QB14, SD 98.03 Steel Dillo - Jon Kitna, QB23, DET 41.14 Steel Dillo - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB13, JAX 74.03 Steel Dillo - Thomas Jones, RB24, NYJ 52.03 Steel Dillo - Terrell Owens, WR3, DAL 103.14 Steel Dillo - Roy Williams, WR17, DET 45.14 Steel Dillo - Owen Daniels, TE8, HOU 87.14 Steel Dillo - Heath Miller, TE12, 6Pretty medicore so far, but mediocre should keep me in the running for quite a while.

I like this team except for Miller at 7.14. WR3 would have offer better value than TE2.

I almost went with a WR, but I just couldn't make myself pull the trigger. All I saw was a whole lot of blah.

 

[BassNBrew]

6.03 Steel Dillo - Phillip Rivers, QB14, SD 98.03 Steel Dillo - Jon Kitna, QB23, DET 41.14 Steel Dillo - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB13, JAX 74.03 Steel Dillo - Thomas Jones, RB24, NYJ 52.03 Steel Dillo - Terrell Owens, WR3, DAL 103.14 Steel Dillo - Roy Williams, WR17, DET 45.14 Steel Dillo - Owen Daniels, TE8, HOU 87.14 Steel Dillo - Heath Miller, TE12, 6Pretty medicore so far, but mediocre should keep me in the running for quite a while.

I like this team except for Miller at 7.14. WR3 would have offer better value than TE2.

I almost went with a WR, but I just couldn't make myself pull the trigger. All I saw was a whole lot of blah.

IMO better to have blah and blah to cobble together a WR3 then blah leave points on the bench every week. I really like your Daniels pick so I don't think Miller adds much to your team.

 

[CommuterMan]

4.02 commuterman - Carson Palmer, QB5, CIN 8

1.15 commuterman - Willis McGahee, RB14, BAL 10

3.15 commuterman - Darren McFadden, RB21, OAK 5

6.02 commuterman - LenDale White, RB28, TEN 6

2.02 commuterman - Reggie Wayne, WR2, IND 4

5.15 commuterman - Kevin Curtis, WR29, PHI 7

7.15 commuterman - Bernard Berrian, WR40, MIN 8

8.02 commuterman - Issac Bruce, WR43, SF 9

Half way point and I like my team. The bye-week issues are not a problem here with every position clearly covered each week (except for QB but that will be resolved in the second half of my draft).

QB - solid should put up good numbers everyweek as poor defense means high scoring games and lots of passing in the second half. Passed on a number of backups to gain depth in other areas

RB - 3 starters (don't know many teams in SSL4 that can say that). None of them are top tier but all should get the bulk of the carries as long as they remain healthy.

WR - Arguably 4 #1 WRs for their respective teams and should be complentary in a best ball game play

 

[switz]

Definitely some interesting teams/strategies in this draft, it will be interesting to see it play out.

Noticed a few teams are going to have some serious BYE week issues, outside of the obvious bad start by TRR.

 

[BassNBrew]

4.02 commuterman - Carson Palmer, QB5, CIN 81.15 commuterman - Willis McGahee, RB14, BAL 103.15 commuterman - Darren McFadden, RB21, OAK 56.02 commuterman - LenDale White, RB28, TEN 62.02 commuterman - Reggie Wayne, WR2, IND 45.15 commuterman - Kevin Curtis, WR29, PHI 77.15 commuterman - Bernard Berrian, WR40, MIN 88.02 commuterman - Issac Bruce, WR43, SF 9Half way point and I like my team. The bye-week issues are not a problem here with every position clearly covered each week (except for QB but that will be resolved in the second half of my draft). QB - solid should put up good numbers everyweek as poor defense means high scoring games and lots of passing in the second half. Passed on a number of backups to gain depth in other areasRB - 3 starters (don't know many teams in SSL4 that can say that). None of them are top tier but all should get the bulk of the carries as long as they remain healthy.WR - Arguably 4 #1 WRs for their respective teams and should be complentary in a best ball game play

I like this team. You may already have enough strength at RB to run three deep and beef up somewhere else.

 

[switz]

4.02 commuterman - Carson Palmer, QB5, CIN 81.15 commuterman - Willis McGahee, RB14, BAL 103.15 commuterman - Darren McFadden, RB21, OAK 56.02 commuterman - LenDale White, RB28, TEN 62.02 commuterman - Reggie Wayne, WR2, IND 45.15 commuterman - Kevin Curtis, WR29, PHI 77.15 commuterman - Bernard Berrian, WR40, MIN 88.02 commuterman - Issac Bruce, WR43, SF 9Half way point and I like my team. The bye-week issues are not a problem here with every position clearly covered each week (except for QB but that will be resolved in the second half of my draft). QB - solid should put up good numbers everyweek as poor defense means high scoring games and lots of passing in the second half. Passed on a number of backups to gain depth in other areasRB - 3 starters (don't know many teams in SSL4 that can say that). None of them are top tier but all should get the bulk of the carries as long as they remain healthy.WR - Arguably 4 #1 WRs for their respective teams and should be complentary in a best ball game play

I like this team. You may already have enough strength at RB to run three deep and beef up somewhere else.

Yes, very solid.

 

[nittanylion]

Some commentary on my Squadron:

1.01 Stephen Jackson, RB Rams

I'm either the Survivor Hero or Survivor Goat for passing on Tomlinson, but outside of No Mercy, this is the only Free League I play in, so why not? I mean, this is SSL IV...it's not like I can fall any lower...plus, of all the Top RB's I really like Jackson's situation more than any other. As of right now he's healthy, the OLine is healthy, he's got an excellent stable of complementary players around him, and Al Saunders is running the Offense unimpeded by Gibbs, has a chip on his shoulder, and they play Seattle, SF and Arizona 6 Times. Jackson will produce solid #'s weekly, and has a shot to go lights out at least 8 out of 16 Games.

2.16 Wes Welker, WR Patriots

3.01 Chris Cooley, TE Redskins

This is also the only League I play in with more than 12 Teams that isn't either a Dynasty or has an Auction Draft, and one of the few I play outside of the Nationals, where RB, WR and TE get PPR starting with their first Reception. Welker and Cooley fall into my upper tier of PPR Players at their respective positions, and were the best Players available on my Board at these Picks. I'm going to have to see it to believe that Brady to Welker is anything that can be defended effectively, and the Redskins Draft additions are only going to give Cooley more space to work in. WCO TE = $$$. Long wait til 4.16/5.01, though...

4.16 Hines Ward, WR Steelers

5.01 Julius Jones, RB Seahawks

I was THRILLED that Ward lasted til the end of the 4th. Like the Redskins, the Steelers have added Offensive weaponry, but like Cooley, I think that only helps a savvy veteran WR like Ward. While he might see a reduction in Yards and TD's, I don't think he sees any reduction in Receptions. I sweated him making it back to me, and once again was pleasantly surprised to take the Top WR on my Board at the Draft Position. The Jones pick was a toughie, but I started this Draft by taking a Big Chance, and after nailing the last 3 picks, I felt that risk was minimized, so again, I went with a guy who I just had a good gut feeling about. Jeez, what's going on in Seattle anyway? Branch, injured. Engram, Contract Stalemate. Hackett, gone. Julius has opportunity screaming him in the face, and has is another guy who should be playing with a chip on his shoulder in '08. He's an solid receiver, and works for me as a solid fit in the Holmgren WCO, and is another Player from the Fantasy Gold Mine NFC West, who, unlike the other Teams, is also playing with a quality Defense in his back pocket, which may lead to shorter fields and increased scoring opps. Unfortunately, I selected Jones over a QB, and gambled that the run that took place over the next 30 Selections wouldn't be quite so severe. I talked myself out of any # of QB's, most notably Bulger, and may have paid the fiddler by waiting on QB in a League that values QB TD's at 6pts each.

6.16: Matt Leinart, QB Cardinals

7.01: DJ Hackett, WR Panthers

Ugh, what a QB run. Didn't take enough of a look at the residual effect Manning and Brady on the same Team could have, in terms of forcing an economy at the position with the remaining Teams. Didn't like any of the remaining Starters or Situations, so I looked the remaining dregs with an eye towards Total Passing Offense, and felt Arizona had the most upside, and that Warner would fall to me later in the Draft, and give me an insurance shot at claiming the other half of all the Boldin/Fitz etc production. That same thinking turned me on to Hackett, in terms of crafting a #3 WR out of those remaining. Despite the Delhomme situation, I'm high on the Carolina Football Team Offense, and felt strongly that Muhammed would make it into the later Rounds. The question was, how early I'd have to Draft Warner and Muhammed to complete the sets I was banking on...

8.16 Kurt Warner, QB Cardinals

9.01 Muhsin Muhammed, WR Panthers

Well, the next 30 Players selected answered THAT question, and while I feel these picks may have been somewhat reaches, Strategy wound up taking precedence here. Almost every player I figured would go between my last 2 picks and these went off the board, and almost in the order I'd predicted - few, if any, slips in this bunch. It started with the 1st Pick - I'm either Survivor Hero or Goat, and my final Standing will largely be based on how this Strategy plays itself out over the course of the Season.

I strongly feel that once you decide upon a Strategy, you have to stick to it, and ride it out to it's full conclusion. I may still have some work to do, but I'm not sweating nearly as much as I was at the 6/7 turn. I've got some remaining hunches to play, and I'm eager to see how these two Rounds play out.

Solid Group of Drafters here. Kudos on the job well done so far, if not in the picks, but the Theories and reasoning behind them.

 

[EBF]

Not wild about Laurent Robinson as my WR4, but he's moved into the starting lineup and I expect his numbers to improve from last year. I also think there's some sneaky upside there since he could conceivably supplant White as the team's best receeiver.

 

[el super gringo]

Not wild about Laurent Robinson as my WR4, but he's moved into the starting lineup and I expect his numbers to improve from last year. I also think there's some sneaky upside there since he could conceivably supplant White as the team's best receeiver.

lot of it depends on camp reports - petrino's guys loved him last year, but what's that say nothing

 

[EBF]

Not wild about Laurent Robinson as my WR4, but he's moved into the starting lineup and I expect his numbers to improve from last year. I also think there's some sneaky upside there since he could conceivably supplant White as the team's best receeiver.

lot of it depends on camp reports - petrino's guys loved him last year, but what's that say nothing

Well he started over Horn in the recent mini camp. That's why Horn is raising a big fuss and demanding a trade. I think the ATL coaches know where their bread is buttered. White and Robinson will start. Jenkins will be a reserve flanker. Douglas will get some work out of the slot.

 

[BassNBrew]

Some commentary on my Squadron:1.01 Stephen Jackson, RB RamsI'm either the Survivor Hero or Survivor Goat for passing on Tomlinson, but outside of No Mercy, this is the only Free League I play in, so why not? I mean, this is SSL IV...it's not like I can fall any lower...plus, of all the Top RB's I really like Jackson's situation more than any other. As of right now he's healthy, the OLine is healthy, he's got an excellent stable of complementary players around him, and Al Saunders is running the Offense unimpeded by Gibbs, has a chip on his shoulder, and they play Seattle, SF and Arizona 6 Times. Jackson will produce solid #'s weekly, and has a shot to go lights out at least 8 out of 16 Games.2.16 Wes Welker, WR Patriots3.01 Chris Cooley, TE RedskinsThis is also the only League I play in with more than 12 Teams that isn't either a Dynasty or has an Auction Draft, and one of the few I play outside of the Nationals, where RB, WR and TE get PPR starting with their first Reception. Welker and Cooley fall into my upper tier of PPR Players at their respective positions, and were the best Players available on my Board at these Picks. I'm going to have to see it to believe that Brady to Welker is anything that can be defended effectively, and the Redskins Draft additions are only going to give Cooley more space to work in. WCO TE = $$$. Long wait til 4.16/5.01, though...4.16 Hines Ward, WR Steelers5.01 Julius Jones, RB SeahawksI was THRILLED that Ward lasted til the end of the 4th. Like the Redskins, the Steelers have added Offensive weaponry, but like Cooley, I think that only helps a savvy veteran WR like Ward. While he might see a reduction in Yards and TD's, I don't think he sees any reduction in Receptions. I sweated him making it back to me, and once again was pleasantly surprised to take the Top WR on my Board at the Draft Position. The Jones pick was a toughie, but I started this Draft by taking a Big Chance, and after nailing the last 3 picks, I felt that risk was minimized, so again, I went with a guy who I just had a good gut feeling about. Jeez, what's going on in Seattle anyway? Branch, injured. Engram, Contract Stalemate. Hackett, gone. Julius has opportunity screaming him in the face, and has is another guy who should be playing with a chip on his shoulder in '08. He's an solid receiver, and works for me as a solid fit in the Holmgren WCO, and is another Player from the Fantasy Gold Mine NFC West, who, unlike the other Teams, is also playing with a quality Defense in his back pocket, which may lead to shorter fields and increased scoring opps. Unfortunately, I selected Jones over a QB, and gambled that the run that took place over the next 30 Selections wouldn't be quite so severe. I talked myself out of any # of QB's, most notably Bulger, and may have paid the fiddler by waiting on QB in a League that values QB TD's at 6pts each.6.16: Matt Leinart, QB Cardinals7.01: DJ Hackett, WR PanthersUgh, what a QB run. Didn't take enough of a look at the residual effect Manning and Brady on the same Team could have, in terms of forcing an economy at the position with the remaining Teams. Didn't like any of the remaining Starters or Situations, so I looked the remaining dregs with an eye towards Total Passing Offense, and felt Arizona had the most upside, and that Warner would fall to me later in the Draft, and give me an insurance shot at claiming the other half of all the Boldin/Fitz etc production. That same thinking turned me on to Hackett, in terms of crafting a #3 WR out of those remaining. Despite the Delhomme situation, I'm high on the Carolina Football Team Offense, and felt strongly that Muhammed would make it into the later Rounds. The question was, how early I'd have to Draft Warner and Muhammed to complete the sets I was banking on...8.16 Kurt Warner, QB Cardinals9.01 Muhsin Muhammed, WR PanthersWell, the next 30 Players selected answered THAT question, and while I feel these picks may have been somewhat reaches, Strategy wound up taking precedence here. Almost every player I figured would go between my last 2 picks and these went off the board, and almost in the order I'd predicted - few, if any, slips in this bunch. It started with the 1st Pick - I'm either Survivor Hero or Goat, and my final Standing will largely be based on how this Strategy plays itself out over the course of the Season.I strongly feel that once you decide upon a Strategy, you have to stick to it, and ride it out to it's full conclusion. I may still have some work to do, but I'm not sweating nearly as much as I was at the 6/7 turn. I've got some remaining hunches to play, and I'm eager to see how these two Rounds play out.Solid Group of Drafters here. Kudos on the job well done so far, if not in the picks, but the Theories and reasoning behind them.

I guess this is the thread where we serve the h8toraid.1.1 SJax - Maybe Saunders will make a difference but the OL is a mess. SJ lacks the consistancy I want from a stud RB. You'll look like a genius if LT blows a knee, but he'll never catch LT if both stay healthy.2.16 Welker - I like this pick, liked it even better when I made it at 3.9 in league 2.3.1 Cooley - No way I burn a pick this early on any TE unless he'll put up Gates/Gonzo/Witten type of season. Remember, Saunders moved to STL. This pick should have been Romo, Brown, or Maroney depending on who you like and byes. CJ or Burress were viable picks too.4.16 Hines Ward - Ward, Moss, Driver, Chambers...pretty much a coin flip.5.01 Julius Jones - I like this pick as you cleaned out a tier.6.16: Matt Leinart - There were a gazillion better options here. 7.05 EBF - Vince Young, QB17, TEN7.06 Gamma1210 - Jason Campbell, QB18, WAS 7.07 wraith5 - Jake Delhomme, QB19, CAR7.08 anthony borbely - Aaron Rodgers, QB20, GB7.01: DJ Hackett - No way you should have passed on Rice here or Brown if the byes were bad.8.16 Kurt Warner - Now you're admitting you didn't have faith in your last pick. Futhermore, you need another QB unless you want to eat a donut at QB when over a 1/3 of the field is gone on a short bye week. You've also assured yourself of a donut from one of you top 8 picks every week. I realize Switz and Ramrod are in your league, but there's a couple of guys in this league that you can't spot a pick to and expect to compete.9.01 Muhsin Muhammed - The Panthers are moving to a power running game. If I'm playing the WR2/3 game I'm looking towards a high powered passing team. Personally I think Muhammy is done. Too early for a WR 3rd on the depth chart that doesn't have Brady or manning throwing to him.Personally I think the Cooley pick is where this team started to unravel and put you on the defensive the rest of the way.

 

[switz]

Not wild about Laurent Robinson as my WR4, but he's moved into the starting lineup and I expect his numbers to improve from last year. I also think there's some sneaky upside there since he could conceivably supplant White as the team's best receeiver.

Robinson is a great WR, I think he will be a STUD - but not this year. He's got a rookie QB throwing to him, and it's his first year as a starter, it'll be a growing curve. I would have taken him in round 11 or so as my 5th WR.

 

[Steel Dillo]

6.03 Steel Dillo - Phillip Rivers, QB14, SD 9

8.03 Steel Dillo - Jon Kitna, QB23, DET 4

1.14 Steel Dillo - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB13, JAX 7

4.03 Steel Dillo - Thomas Jones, RB24, NYJ 5

2.03 Steel Dillo - Terrell Owens, WR3, DAL 10

3.14 Steel Dillo - Roy Williams, WR17, DET 4

9.14 Steel Dillo - Justin Gage, WR58, 6

5.14 Steel Dillo - Owen Daniels, TE8, HOU 8

7.14 Steel Dillo - Heath Miller, TE12, 6

 

[nittanylion]

Fair response, Bass, and all well-thought out commentary does nothing but add to the thread. I guess it all comes down to the saying: 'that's why they play the games'...that, and our individual evaluations of players and situations, and our individual theories based on the rules of the game.

I have my own strong opinions about the situations in San Diego and Minnesota that lead me to believe that Jackson has as good a chance as either of the others to lead the League statistically out of the RB Position, barring injury. I'm pretty sure I went over them in the other commentary Thread, but in summary, SD is going to feel the loss of Michael Turner much more than most folks are currently thinking, at multiple levels in their Offensive Scheme. I feel confident that will impact LT's #'s. With APete, there's an entire League of Teams who've had a full offseason of studying film of both Peterson and Tarvaris Jackson, and Minny is going to have to come up with more than a few new wrinkles if they hope to get upwards of 75% of last year's production out of their young horse this year, and I'm not sure the decision makers on the Coaching Staff have it in them to do so. I have Minn as a Team on the rise in '08, but I think they get there by taking a more Team oriented Offensive approach, and to me that means more diversity and less APete.

Unfortunately for me, the Drafters in this League are not only solid, but have had a chance to review the Drafts of the other SSL's going into this 4th incarnation. While you may have landed Welker well into the 3rd Round, I didn't have some of your options to choose from at the Pick, and as I stated before, Welker is, IMO the toughest, and most consistent option in the Patriots always-innovative-and-tough-to-defend Offensive Scheme. He'll outperform both your Draft Position AND mine, barring injury, IMO.

Saunders or not, Cooley is the straw that stirs the Passing drink in Washington. It's been that way before Saunders was there, and will continue in '08. It could be argued that without Gibbs' meddling, Cooley might have posted even bigger #'s than last year. Between him and Portis, all other things being equal, the gross majority of the Redskins' offensive passing yards will flow. I HAVE him in the same tier as Gates/Gonzo/Witten...and well above Winslow, I might add, hence the Selection...again, it all boils down to how we individually value the players. That's further played out in the Players you mentioned in response to the Cooley pick. I agree about Romo...IF Cooley isn't a Gates/Gonz/Witten class TE...but I think he is. I'm assuming youre referring to Ronnie Brown, who I feel at best will split carries in the offensive experiment that will be taking place in Miami, a Team with HUGE question marks at everywhere, and in a Division where they're going to struggle to put up much if any Offensive Production this year at all. Parcells will rebuild starting with Defense in '08. Maroney? Nope. I already have the Draft Prize of the New England Offense. Game to Game, Brady, Moss and Welker will be the only Players with any sort of guarantee to put up quality #'s, while everyone else's production will peak and valley from game to game. I got him 2 Rounds later. I'm not investing a high round pick in the walking enigma that IS Plaxico Burress or an equally combustable CJ. As you said, it depends on who you like, and in a 2pt/rec League for TE, I liked Cooley over all other available options.

I think Hines Ward plays on a more explosive offense, and plays a bigger role in it, with a better QB, than any of the options you mentioned in comparison. IMO he'll easily outpoint SMoss, Driver and Chambers...as a matter of fact, I think it's conceivable that Hines could challenge Welker, Moss, Gates and a few select others to lead the AFC in Receptions in '08. He's got an outstanding chance to be a steal - as Bobby Engram to Big Ben's Hasselbeck. It's all my opinion again, but IF I'M RIGHT, there's not a Team in this or any of the other survivor Leagues that, barring injury, had a better 1st 4, perhaps 5, Rounds.

Edited to emphasize IF I'M RIGHT - because that's what it is...a HUGE 'if'. If my theories and player breakdowns are even a bit off, this Team is headed straight for the Crapper, but for the snapshot in time that we're presently in, I feel quite confident in my early group.

We're both sides of the same Julius Jones coin, so that's that.

Edit: Time will tell if I pulled my eyeball out with a fish hook by taking Julius Jones over a QB here...in my wildest dreams, I didn't see a QB run of that magnitude taking place in Rds 5 and 6, and if I had a do-over, I'd have taken a QB here, and run RB2BC the rest of the way. I like having JJ and his potential on my Team, but the opportunity cost may wind up sinking this ship not long after it leaves the harbor' if I haven't 'guessed right about the Cardinals Passing O. I admit, I went on the Defense in Rounds 6-9, and was forced to pass on some desireable Players to defend my developing Strategy, but the Cooley Pick wasn't where I went sideways, but rather the lost opportunity at 5.01. Improvise, adapt, etc...I did what I had to do to get back to a place where I was comfortable and tie down some loose ends.

I didn't see a QB left on the board that, IMO will put up Arizona Passing Offense #'s, when I made the Leinart selection. I DID sweat Delhomme, but the shoulder scared me off, and the Leinart/Warner combo was a less risky option than Team QB Carolina. Arizona were the combo remaining that could absolutely RAIN Offense, where I don't feel the Overall Total Offensive Production will suffer in any way if the backup is inserted into the Starting Lineup. That risk is higher in Carolina, and the overall Offensive Passing #'s of the Panthers will be lower than the Cards. Someone has to put up the #'s that have Fitz and Boldin ranked in everyone's Top 10 WR, and I fully PLANNED on drafting Warner to complete the set and harness the production. Neither Tennessee nor Washington will put up the Offensive Passing #'s, that the Cardinals will. IMO, the Green Bay Packers are one of the Teams to draft with caution for FF purposes in '08. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE is underestimating the tremendous amount of pressure the Packers are going to be under in Year 1 'A.F.'. Live through the Year I lived after the First Gibbs Regime ended in Washington, and you'll understand where I'm coming from. Aaron Rodgers looked good against Dallas last year, but I'll take a wait and see approach on his ability to handle the situation he's walking into this Season before I place any faith in his ability to produce consistant #'s. There's just more going on than Football in GB this year, and when you're playing Survivor Best Ball, it's risks like these that merit avoidance.

Like Leinart, the Hackett selection was made with a 'begin with the end in mind approach'. In your comments about Warner, you said I'm admitting a lack of faith in my last pick, and I don't know from where you're drawing your conclusion. I'm simply managing risk, and when I selected Leinart/Hackett, I did so with every intent of landing Warner/Muhammed. The only error I MAY have made was taking them at the 8/9 turn when I could have waited , but again, after watching how the 30 picks went between my Leinart/Hackett selections, I felt I couldn't take any chances in terms of my overall strategy. I had to fight my way out from behind the QB 8-Ball, and I think my tactics, while extreme, have gone a long way towards minimizing the risks I've taken. I think I'm a pretty good late round Drafter, and am confident enough in my abilities to mine gold late, that I felt confident executing my strategy early. In Leinart/Warner I have 100% of a Passing Offense that's going to produce two Top 10 Fantasy WR...with the other QB's already selected, I was able to take a Team QB later who combined are likely to finish in the Top 8 (Top 25%) of Passing Offenses. I have no qualms about landing this Tandem over the plethora of pedestrian game manager types being drafted in these rounds. I'm a HUGE fan of Sidney Rice, and might wind up being a major screw up that I didn't Draft him here, but in the end, I trust the Carolina QB situation much more than the Minnesota QB Situation, and the Carolina Passing Offense should generate more #'s than the Minn Passing Offense. Bass, I know you know the Panthers like I know the Redskins, so surely you must know that unless anything dramatically changes, Hackett/Muhammed are going to be platooning all season long opposite Smith, but both will see the field and footballs a plenty during Games. They have been very forthcoming about this since minicamps opened. Carolina is moving to a run oriented attack? I'm sure they are. Well, Minnesota is already there, in deep and that's likely to remain their emphasis. Rice probably had the most upside of all the remaining WR on his own, but I'll stand on my combo of Hackett/Muhammed scoring with Rice and Bryant Johnson, and few if any of the WR Drafted from Rd 9 forward are going to have the impact of the production I'll get out of that Tandem week in/out...and I'm not criticizing Switz or anyone else, I'm just making a statement about Positional Economics. Oh, and Reggie Brown, even in the Eagles prolific offense, won't outpoint Sidney Rice - IMO Brown is Chambers light; well behind other options in the Eagles passing tree.

Bottom line is that this whole analysis is completely based on my opinion of the facts I've researched at this snapshot in time, reflected through my Draft. The ball's off the tee, we'll see how long and straight I'll drive it! From where I'm standing, I've straightened out my early slice/hook. still plenty of work to do on distance. Nine more players, then wait for September!

Edit: I have a hell of a job ahead of me with the next 9 Picks, there's no doubt about that, but I feel I've established a tenable position from which to work moving forward.

It strikes me that Drafting in 16-Team Best Ball is the closest thing to 'Football Chess' I've ever encountered. Now that I'm back in the fold, I'm sorry I ever dropped out, as these are outstanding excercises in critical thinking and strategy against top caliber competition. I continue to be impressed by the caliber of the Drafters here, and while I don't count myself out of the Winner's Circle, I know it will be a challenging Season for all of us.

 

[Blue-Kun]

Saunders or not, Cooley is the straw that stirs the Passing drink in Washington. It's been that way before Saunders was there, and will continue in '08. It could be argued that without Gibbs' meddling, Cooley might have posted even bigger #'s than last year. Between him and Portis, all other things being equal, the gross majority of the Redskins' offensive passing yards will flow. I HAVE him in the same tier as Gates/Gonzo/Witten...and well above Winslow, I might add,

I'm curious, why do you have him in that tier? Gates, Gonzo and Winslow have all beaten Cooley's best season as a TE in their past 2 years in this scoring format and Gonzo and Winslow have done so with garbage at the QB position for at least one of those years. Maybe I'm totally missing something though.