rockaction
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534
Unbelieveable, almost two years later.
Unbelieveable, almost two years later.
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Staggering, Again: CDC and Public Health Officials Determined Fighting Systemic Racism Was More Important Than Stopping Covid Spread (1 Viewer)
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Boston
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I will continue to say that PC/wokeness is the #1 issue in this country because it infects every area of our society, and this was just another example...when PC/woke agendas take precedent over our health, our children's education and the state of our military a whole lot of bad is sure to follow.
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Juxtatarot
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This seemed to be the position:
I can understand disagreeing with this position but hardly at the level of being “unbelievable”.
IvanKaramazov
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rockaction
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That's sort of an unbelievable comment, actually. That "public health" is served by fighting systemic racism rather than isolating during a viral pandemic. That beggars credulity, really, especially given the instructions not more than a month before BLM protests started to sweep through the nation.
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IvanKaramazov
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Not that Trump approached the pandemic in a spirit of good will either, of course.
rockaction
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Right on. Trying to point out to people the last few days that Democrats are just as capable of politicizing something as Republicans (this has become the new talking point, apparently by one of the sides, though I'm not sure which because I try to tune it out) has sort of been futile. I will say this, though: Trump's response to the pandemic didn't help anybody, and the anti-vaccine and non-shutdown nonsense has been easy to hear, even from cheap seats like mine.
Juxtatarot
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rockaction
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Yeah, I sort of was typing that as you were posting. Republicans politicized the pandemic plenty, IMO.
Trump and the Republican Party is just gas on a fire when it comes to anything. People can't really see straight when it comes to him, perhaps because he hasn't played anything straight for his entire adult life, really, and the Party has started to play it like he does.
But this was spurred on by something in my Twitter feed about the CDC and their backtracking from their original position of isolation which morphed into okaying...mass protests of people conjugated together without much spacing.
Dear word. This is about that hypocrisy and of an agency that was neither fulfilling its stated function nor explicitly stated prior position. It was a complete 180 in the service of a politics that isn't supposed to infuse our untouchable federal agencies, staffed with only top, politically-neutral men and women, of course.
rockaction
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Oh, I just read it three times, and it's pretty clearly implied that the protests are okay rather than staying inside and isolated. Maybe we're misreading the clause or reading it differently, but that's surely what I'm taking away from it.
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Boston
Footballguy
They all suck...it's truly amazing how some people have two completely different sets of rules that somehow always favor "their team."
Boston
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Taking it another step further...nonsense like you are pointing out gives the conspiracy nuts more validity which is not a good thing.
rockaction
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Exactly the reason for this thread. The CDC, in acting politically, undermined itself as a source of future decrees and proclamations.
"But this time we really, really mean no gatherings unless, of course..."
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Wasn't that issued well before we had any knowledge of how virulent Covid was?
Heck, wasn't our government telling us it was only 15 people and would go to zero soon?
I don't like the wokeness so prevalent in our society now but I'm failing to see the outrage over bringing this up now.
EDIT: I see it's from June 2020 now, yea it's a good example of stupid wokeness.
Heck, wasn't our government telling us it was only 15 people and would go to zero soon?
I don't like the wokeness so prevalent in our society now but I'm failing to see the outrage over bringing this up now.
EDIT: I see it's from June 2020 now, yea it's a good example of stupid wokeness.
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Boston
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Exactly...it's like old boy who cried wolf story...do stuff like this and don't be surprised when people don't listen to you about something important later...the lack of commonsense is truly staggering.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes, I looked at the date of it. This thread was spurred by something somebody at the CDC said in my Twitter feed a few days ago. It's relevant to the present in myriad ways.
Tecumseh
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Gotcha. Your initial post; "unbelievable, almost 2 years later" had me thinking that you thought this was current.
Juxtatarot
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That protests are “OK” if outside and taking other precautions and that the effort is to curb systemic racism which they deem is a public health issue.
For the first half of that, I think they were right. These outdoor gatherings didn’t seem to produce large amounts of COVID spread. I acknowledge the second part is controversial.
rockaction
Footballguy
Public health intersecting so clearly with politics to give us befuddling policy, IMO.
Another point of contention I'll make, because this is also part of the reason for doing this.
Public Health will always have a political edge to it. There's no avoiding it. As soon as we accept that there is a "public health," then this will be the case.
rockaction
Footballguy
Ah, I see. I was speaking colloquially and wasn't very clear about that.
What I mean is that nearly a year-and-a-half removed from the protests, their stance about them was unbelievable given what they had proclaimed a month before.
And this isn't a thread that is about not getting inoculated or any other Trojan Horse I'm looking to smuggle in that would paint me as a typical conservative on the issue. I divide sharply from them and their handling of the pandemic, up to and including their public proclamations.
It's been an embarrassing moment for darn near everybody.
djmich
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It comical how the context that is created is this sort of burning platform that those protests needed to happen, right then, at any cost. Because there was this new development that hadn't existed prior called systemic racism that had to be combated at that moment, because there was only a month to beat it...global pandemic be damned.
The bigger issue for me is that this ties to the whole "believe the science" or "i believe in science" nonsense. The words "I believe" really should only be used in front of phrases like "in God" or "my wife's faithfulness" or "the Jets will win another superbowl". Ironically, in instances where in fact belief should be very much in doubt or not verifiable.
So now you have a bunch of lemmings running around saying "I believe in science", like that makes them smart. I believe that these "Health Experts" are using science to tell me I should go protest now
.All it means to me is that you have agreed to believe what people tell you without critically evaluating the data yourself. That Fauci is up there with God and your presumed wifes fidelity. Thanks, but I'm gonna need the data and the surrounding facts and then I'll determine if you're a bull####ter or not.
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rockaction
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That's a stretch, don't you think? I'd look to have that person's faculties checked out if he started babbling nonsense like that.
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AAABatteries
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Your point is well taken - for me I've been fairly angry (at least relative to how worked up I get about most politics, which isn't much) at all our politicians for turning this pandemic political (and still do). I guess I shouldn't be surprised because politics now and for a good number of people, everything is political. What we wear, what we eat, our activities, who we are friends with. I'd like an opt-out option for all this nonsense.
rockaction
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But yeah, the "I believe in science" crowd is extra ironic. I will fully admit to trusting institutions that are designed for maximum wisdom. When those institutions start flagrantly acting in political interest or for personal gain, then I will question.
And that is what the CDC and public health officials and intersections did a while back, and we're still paying for it with votes of non-confidence by the hesitant.
And that is what the CDC and public health officials and intersections did a while back, and we're still paying for it with votes of non-confidence by the hesitant.
AAABatteries
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rockaction
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I'm right there with you. I've been startled to see it on the right. I had always imagined it to be a left-wing, say academia, thing. That and a few Objectivists who worshipped Ayn Rand. Other than that, I thought the American right always had a pretty good handle on tolerating dissent from their views in the media, at school, in their churches, etc.
No longer.
djmich
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I generally give our institutions the benefit of the doubt, but seek to verify everything with a healthy dose of skepticism built in. Healthy being the key word, for many its very unhealthy.
BassNBrew
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You got duped Rock....
Staggering, Again: CDC and Public Health Officials Determined Fighting Systemic Racism Was More Important Than Stopping Covid Spread
Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist,
Abraar Karan, a Brigham and Women’s Hospital physician
some of the most prominent public health experts in America, like former Centers for Disease Control
Brian Blase, who worked on health policy for the Trump administration, told me, an echo of complaints raised by prominent conservative commentators like J.D. Vance and Tim Carney.
a Twitter thread by Drew Holden, a commentary writer and former GOP Hill staffer
Jeffrey Flier, the former dean of Harvard Medical School
Flier pointed out that the protesters were also engaging in behaviors, like loud singing in close proximity, which CDC has repeatedly suggested could be linked to spreading the virus “At least for me, the sudden change in views of the danger of mass gatherings has been disorienting, and I suspect it has been for many Americans,” he told me.
Howard Koh, who served as assistant secretary for health during the Obama administration, told me. Koh said he supports the protests but acknowledges that Covid-19 can be rapidly, silently spread.
including hundreds of public health workers who signed an open letter
a spokesperson for Protect Our Care, a progressive-aligned health care group,
Staggering, Again: CDC and Public Health Officials Determined Fighting Systemic Racism Was More Important Than Stopping Covid Spread
Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist,
Abraar Karan, a Brigham and Women’s Hospital physician
some of the most prominent public health experts in America, like former Centers for Disease Control
Brian Blase, who worked on health policy for the Trump administration, told me, an echo of complaints raised by prominent conservative commentators like J.D. Vance and Tim Carney.
a Twitter thread by Drew Holden, a commentary writer and former GOP Hill staffer
Jeffrey Flier, the former dean of Harvard Medical School
Flier pointed out that the protesters were also engaging in behaviors, like loud singing in close proximity, which CDC has repeatedly suggested could be linked to spreading the virus “At least for me, the sudden change in views of the danger of mass gatherings has been disorienting, and I suspect it has been for many Americans,” he told me.
Howard Koh, who served as assistant secretary for health during the Obama administration, told me. Koh said he supports the protests but acknowledges that Covid-19 can be rapidly, silently spread.
including hundreds of public health workers who signed an open letter
a spokesperson for Protect Our Care, a progressive-aligned health care group,
djmich
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Except your article isn't quoting the CDC and public health officials, it's quoting former public health officials, former political staffers, and liberal whack job.
Boston
Footballguy
There are certain words phrases I hear that I know BS is going to follow (in Government and in corporate America)..."follow the Science" is one...others are anyone who use the words robust or nuanced or any foolish phrase like "we were facing strong headwinds"...IMO these are spin words that are almost always used to sound smart when trying to cover-up bad news.
AAABatteries
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Here’s a little secret - I’ve never watched a single press conference and know absolutely nothing about her. Shh - don’t tell GG.
djmich
Footballguy
If we called them biclonal anti-bodies to better reflect the clonal fluidity of these antibodies I think we'd get more support.
supermike80
Footballguy
Me too...I mean I have seen pictures of her but I also have never watched her pressers. Didn't watch Kayleigh either....she was definitely cuter though
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Yep. The unironic use of the expression "follow the science" is usually a pretty reliable indicator that the speaker's critical thinking switch is set in the "off" position.
supermike80
Footballguy
Conservatives were calling out this hypocrisy from the very first day and few listened.
parasaurolophus
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Why would that matter? I don't think monoclonal antibodies have anything to do with stopping the spread.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
1. Kill seniors in the name of racial justice.
2. Give preference to treatment based on skin color.
3. Tell the truth
Which of these wasnt an idea by public health?
2. Give preference to treatment based on skin color.
3. Tell the truth
Which of these wasnt an idea by public health?
rockaction
Footballguy
I understand the nuances of the article. There was a CDC official in my Twitter feed the other day saying just what I had alluded to.
Plus, this:
https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-director-designates-racism-serious-public-health-threat-2021-4
BassNBrew
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Juxtatarot
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supermike80
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
This would have been a much better article to discuss.
I would say that is an accurate statement.
I can see where this would be a stretch. The fact remains that if living conditions in some area result in a disease or sickiness gaining a foothold in this country we need to address it because eventually it escapes that community and impacts all of us.
Personally I think social economic issues are a bigger factor. Regardless, this statement is above her pay grade IMO.
Max Power
Footballguy
I thought it fights the infection quicker which would make a person less contagious sooner.
Two similar people need the same level of care and I only have one dose to give, I'd rather give it to the one going home to household of 8 vs someone who lives alone.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
I'd rather give it to the person with the insurance company that will pay the most.
signed,
PFE shareholder
Well spoken Max.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Did they condemn it? I have learned that not proactively condemning is the same as supporting.
You can't just not support looting, you have to be anti looting.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
The dems made COVID a politcal missile for the election year. But now that missile has misfired and is heading back at Biden.
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