Stallworth to the Patriots (1 Viewer)

[Pat Patriot]

'You don't tug on Superman's capeYou don't spit into the windYou don't pull the mask off the old Lone RangerAnd you don't mess around with Jim'"The Colts better not hoist no banner in front of the Pats to open the year or

Talk is cheap.

No worries, Gentlemen,New England will be back on top in 2007.The needs have been addressed.

Yep, they will be back on top as long as Brady only has to drive the Patroits to FG range and not a TD.

Because we know that with 54 seconds left from his own 20 that Manning would have gotten the Colts in the EZ.

 

[brednbuddah]

I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.

Tell that to guys like Reggie Wayne and TJ. Donte Stallworth would justify this contract is with

a) 16 full games

b) his first >1000 yd season

c) something close 10 tds.

Reggie Wayne and TJ Housh are 2 guys in all of the NFL. 1000 yds is not standard for #2 WR's. Wayne and TJ are the exceptions not the rule.

Anquan Boldin 1203Terry Glenn 1098

Mike Furrey 1086

Isaac Bruce 1047

Jerricho Cotchery was 39 yards shy of making this list and if you tell me Boldin was the #1, Fitz was 64 yards shy of making this list.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.

Tell that to guys like Reggie Wayne and TJ. Donte Stallworth would justify this contract is with

a) 16 full games

b) his first >1000 yd season

c) something close 10 tds.

I would happily take 14 games at 60 receptions, 900 yards, 8 TDs if he's healthy and productive in the playoffs.

playoffs aside, if that's what Stallworth delivers during the regular season, which is a fair assessment, I'd be a bit disappointed. The Pats have made some smart moves so far. I just don't think Stallworth is one of them.

ETA: spelling

You would be dissapointed in the above production for $3.6 million? I think you are being unrealisted then. 60 catches for 900 yds and 8 TD's is very close to what Branch produced in 16 games in 2005 when Brady threw for 4100 yds. Its also better than Givens and Patten had in 2004.

 

[brednbuddah]

I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.

Tell that to guys like Reggie Wayne and TJ. Donte Stallworth would justify this contract is with

a) 16 full games

b) his first >1000 yd season

c) something close 10 tds.

I would happily take 14 games at 60 receptions, 900 yards, 8 TDs if he's healthy and productive in the playoffs.

playoffs aside, if that's what Stallworth delivers during the regular season, which is a fair assessment, I'd be a bit disappointed. The Pats have made some smart moves so far. I just don't think Stallworth is one of them.

ETA: spelling

You would be dissapointed in the above production for $3.6 million? I think you are being unrealisted then. 60 catches for 900 yds and 8 TD's is very close to what Branch produced in 16 games in 2005 when Brady threw for 4100 yds. Its also better than Givens and Patten had in 2004.

dude, we got that out of Cotchery last year for a lot less (82/961/6). Furrey did pretty much the same (98/1086/6). that production for 3.6 million? yes, I would be disappointed.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.

Tell that to guys like Reggie Wayne and TJ. Donte Stallworth would justify this contract is with

a) 16 full games

b) his first >1000 yd season

c) something close 10 tds.

I would happily take 14 games at 60 receptions, 900 yards, 8 TDs if he's healthy and productive in the playoffs.

playoffs aside, if that's what Stallworth delivers during the regular season, which is a fair assessment, I'd be a bit disappointed. The Pats have made some smart moves so far. I just don't think Stallworth is one of them.

ETA: spelling

You would be dissapointed in the above production for $3.6 million? I think you are being unrealisted then. 60 catches for 900 yds and 8 TD's is very close to what Branch produced in 16 games in 2005 when Brady threw for 4100 yds. Its also better than Givens and Patten had in 2004.

dude, we got that out of Cotchery last year for a lot less (82/961/6). Furrey did pretty much the same (98/1086/6). that production for 3.6 million? yes, I would be disappointed.

You have NO idea what you are talking about.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Do you recognize that the Patriots, Jets and Lions run different offenses? The Patriots TE's caught over 1000 yrds while neither the Jets nor Lions had more than 400 yards out of the TE position. The Patriots have not had a 1000 yard receiver in over 5 years. The Patriots run a non-WR centric offense.

 

[chook]

So I guess this finally ends any lingering hope for Gaffney being an 07 sleeper?

 

[Arnold. S]

Do you recognize that the Patriots, Jets and Lions run different offenses? The Patriots TE's caught over 1000 yrds while neither the Jets nor Lions had more than 400 yards out of the TE position. The Patriots have not had a 1000 yard receiver in over 5 years. The Patriots run a non-WR centric offense.

it's true that WRs in the Pats offense haven't produced top notch numbers, but Stallworth is the fastest receiver Pats had since before their 1st SB. Someone that can go deep when needed and catch a fair amount of them can be very succesful in this offense.

 

[Phlash]

I agree that Brady should do well, but the big thing for me is that Maroney should have a lot more room to run this year. People were hitting him two yards behind the line of scrimmage last year because he couldn't block as well as Dillon and teams didn't have to worry about the Pats throwing deep when he was in there. This year, the Pats have better receiving options outside, should be able to get the quick passing game working much better, and have a deep threat. The Pats can now have any five of Stallworth, Welker, Caldwell, Gaffney, Watson/Brady/Thomas, and Maroney on the field at any given time, which means teams will have to respect the full width and depth of the field. That's huge for Maroney.

Maroney is going to have room to run in '07

 

[PMENFAN]

I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.

Tell that to guys like Reggie Wayne and TJ. Donte Stallworth would justify this contract is with

a) 16 full games

b) his first >1000 yd season

c) something close 10 tds.

I would happily take 14 games at 60 receptions, 900 yards, 8 TDs if he's healthy and productive in the playoffs.

playoffs aside, if that's what Stallworth delivers during the regular season, which is a fair assessment, I'd be a bit disappointed. The Pats have made some smart moves so far. I just don't think Stallworth is one of them.

ETA: spelling

You would be dissapointed in the above production for $3.6 million? I think you are being unrealisted then. 60 catches for 900 yds and 8 TD's is very close to what Branch produced in 16 games in 2005 when Brady threw for 4100 yds. Its also better than Givens and Patten had in 2004.

dude, we got that out of Cotchery last year for a lot less (82/961/6). Furrey did pretty much the same (98/1086/6). that production for 3.6 million? yes, I would be disappointed.

And, everybody saw that coming, yourself included, oput of those two players? Absolutely not. NOBODY saw it coming. I don't think Mangini or Martz saw it coming. It's a market economy in free agency. The Pats played in the market. Knock SF for paying Clements $10 million a year, not this one for $$3.6. Be realistic. $3.6 million for a guy who had a pretty great season missing four games? You pay for potential in professional sports, based on past results. That's what sets the market. Your opinion is appreciated, but there's notying in reality that sets Stallworths contract THIS year as out of line with the market. Next year is unreal, and I'd be stunned if they eat it, but if he reaches his potential, and they eat what is essentiall another $5 million bonus and a $6 million salary, then he's cheap for a #1 the rest of the way. So, it's not out of the question, IF he reaches his potential. You can disagree, but that's what it is. As for Cotchery and Furrey, this league history is littered with flashes int he pan. They may rise to greatness, or pass into oblivion, that's why they play on rookie contracts. Stallworth is an established veteran. They warrant more $$$$.

 

[PMENFAN]

I agree that Brady should do well, but the big thing for me is that Maroney should have a lot more room to run this year. People were hitting him two yards behind the line of scrimmage last year because he couldn't block as well as Dillon and teams didn't have to worry about the Pats throwing deep when he was in there. This year, the Pats have better receiving options outside, should be able to get the quick passing game working much better, and have a deep threat. The Pats can now have any five of Stallworth, Welker, Caldwell, Gaffney, Watson/Brady/Thomas, and Maroney on the field at any given time, which means teams will have to respect the full width and depth of the field. That's huge for Maroney.

Maroney is going to have room to run in '07

A more cohesive line, AND room. It's actually a pretty scary offense right about now.

 

[bostonfred]

Do you recognize that the Patriots, Jets and Lions run different offenses? The Patriots TE's caught over 1000 yrds while neither the Jets nor Lions had more than 400 yards out of the TE position. The Patriots have not had a 1000 yard receiver in over 5 years. The Patriots run a non-WR centric offense.

It's worth pointing out that, when they were weak at running back and Troy Brown was far and away their best receiver, he had over 200 receptions in two seasons despite being what most would consider a WR2 or WR3. The Patriots offense is whatever it has to be to take advantage of their biggest edge against their opponent. Sometimes that means they run, sometimes they pass to the tight end, and sometimes, like last year in the playoffs, it means they pass to the wide receivers. If they feel that receiver is a strength this year, it's possible that they will be a WR centric offense, especially if Maroney struggles or gets nicked up.

 

[bostonfred]

So I guess this finally ends any lingering hope for Gaffney being an 07 sleeper?

Until the Patriots release a depth chart, I would say his value has dropped, but I don't know how far. It's very possible that Caldwell or Gaffney will end up being the WR1 this year. Caldwell looked the part for more of the year than anyone else, leading the team with 61 receptions. Gaffney had 21 catches for 244 yards and 2 TDs in the playoffs and seemed to be making his bid for a starting role. Welker looks like he was drafted to play the slot and play special teams, so he may be a "WR3". And Stallworth has to stay healthy and win a starting job. Realistically, I'd say Gaffney is least likely to be a fantasy starter this year, but he's got a shot.

 

[Kyzersosik]

Basically one year of contract $$ for the Pats to give Brady and Belichick more options on offense, thank you VERY much. This should open up the running lanes, stretch the field for the WR`s and open up underneath for Brady and the TE`s. Oh Baaaaaaaaaby!

 

[porkins]

The Colts better not hoist no banner in front of the Pats to open the year or

My money is on that being the opening game.

 

[Biabreakable]

Check out the contract terms...no exposure for the Pats in year one. They basically get a trial run and than can decide if they want to commit long term.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

This makes it a good signing for NE.BTW, you guys are all missing the boat. The biggest fantasy winner out of all of this is Tom Brady

Stallworth is certainly a weapon that Brady will take advantage of. The additions of Stallworth and Welker are very nice weapons for Brady to work with in addition to Watson Gaffney and Caldwell from last year. Jackson if healthy will be a bonus. This probobly will be the best group of recievers that Brady has had to work with in his career.

If the Pats put Welker, Caldwell and Stallworth in a 3 WR set with Watson at TE and Maroney in the backfield? That's a TON of weapons for a guy like Brady who can rifle through progressions. I've got to think this puts Brady in the top 5 fantasy QBs for the upcoming season, no?

I consider top 5 to be a lock. Brady may break 30TD passes with this group and can compete with Peyton for QB1.ETA- Maroney has not proven he can carry the ball over 300 times in a season yet. I think he will be good enough to keep defenses honest but I expect the pass attempts by the Patriots to still be very high.

Maroney and Sammy Morris are decent options in the passing game as well that can be effective on screens and as check down recievers. The Patriots have a much better group for 5 WR formations they will use at times as well.

Brady will do his usual 3,500-3,800 yds and 24-28 TD...I don't think these signings will enhance his numbers...but they will simply allow him to keep his numbers that he usually produces. NE is a rough place to throw the ball late in the season. Not many cold weather QBs routinely make the top5...doesn't happen often. I like Brady for top10 a lot better than top5.

I am not sure how you see these recent additions meaning status quo for Brady's numbers especialy when one considers that Brady was Qb 7 last year with the worst group of recievers he has ever had.

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Passing | Rushing |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| 2000 nwe | 1 | 1 3 33.3 6 2.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 |

| 2001 nwe | 15 | 264 413 63.9 2843 6.9 18 12 | 36 43 0 |

| 2002 nwe | 16 | 373 601 62.1 3764 6.3 28 14 | 42 110 1 |

| 2003 nwe | 16 | 317 527 60.2 3620 6.9 23 12 | 42 63 1 |

| 2004 nwe | 16 | 288 474 60.8 3692 7.8 28 14 | 43 28 0 |

| 2005 nwe | 16 | 334 530 63.0 4110 7.8 26 14 | 27 89 1 |

| 2006 nwe | 16 | 319 516 61.8 3529 6.8 24 12 | 49 102 0 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| TOTAL | 96 | 1896 3064 61.9 21564 7.0 147 78 | 239 435 3 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

I am expecting pass attempts to be up so 530-570 range because the Patriots no longer have Dillon. Yards/attempt should increase back to 2004-2005 levels with Stallworth streaching the field and Welker working underneath. Stallworth scores TDs and Maroney is not as sure of a goal line runner as Dillon was either. So expecting TDs to be higher than 25 should be expected as well.Only thing I see keeping Brady's numbers down is if Stallworth misses most of the games in 2007 due to injury which is possible.

 

[brednbuddah]

Only thing I see keeping Brady's numbers down is if Stallworth misses most of the games in 2007 due to injury which is possible.

that'll never happen. In his last 48 games, Donte Stallworth is the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. anyone with an opposing view regarding his injury history is just going off what they've heard about him. (How's that Pat? Did I get it right?)

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Fantasy death for Stallworth!!!! Well my dynasty team just took a big hit!!

of the teams that he looked at Tennessee, Miami or NE you'd have to think the best locaton for him was in NE...if you were hoping he'd stay in Philly you gave the Eagles F.O too much credit.

Well as an Eagles fan I did want to see him come back... but nevertheless if they would have paid him that money you would have been ripping the F.O for that as well. I don't think they made a horrible decision to let him slide for that amount.

I agree. Bring on Kevin Curtis for half of that and leave plenty of cap space for other needs...

I bet Curtis signs for the same, if not more, money that Stallworth got.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Seems some people you just can't please. Haters will hate no matter what you do/don't do.

Offseason Goal #1: Get younger/faster on D, especially LB. Check.

Offseason Goal #2: Hang on to Asante Samuel. Check.

Offseason Goal #3: Improve our WRs. Double check.

And we still have both 1st rounders.

God bless all you arm-chair GMs. Now we gotta add in arm-chair accountants, too?

 

[Biabreakable]

Only thing I see keeping Brady's numbers down is if Stallworth misses most of the games in 2007 due to injury which is possible.

that'll never happen. In his last 48 games, Donte Stallworth is the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. anyone with an opposing view regarding his injury history is just going off what they've heard about him. (How's that Pat? Did I get it right?)

Stallworth is certainly a wild card. It is very hard to know what to expect from him on a weekly basis. Even when healthy he has dissapeared at times.That being said he has also shown the ability to put up big numbers in games and he is still young. At 26 now he is actualy just coming into his prime WR years. The Patriots program and Tom Brady have shown a tendency to get a lot out of lesser players than him however and they could be the perfect situation to maximise on his potential.I think Welker will be able to fill the Branch/Troy Brown role well also. Stallworth is somthing the Patriots have never had before.

 

[Snotbubbles]

that'll never happen. In his last 48 games, Donte Stallworth is the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. anyone with an opposing view regarding his injury history is just going off what they've heard about him. (How's that Pat? Did I get it right?)

???? He missed 4 games LAST YEAR. In his last 18 games he is not the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. Stallworth is what he is. A speed guy who will get 2 maybe three catches a game and present a deep threat that opposing defenses need to be worried about. It's a good signing for the Pats (not great). The big question will be if he has the exact identical season this year as he did last year do the Pats keep him?

 

[David Yudkin]

Check out the contract terms...no exposure for the Pats in year one. They basically get a trial run and than can decide if they want to commit long term.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

This makes it a good signing for NE.BTW, you guys are all missing the boat. The biggest fantasy winner out of all of this is Tom Brady

Stallworth is certainly a weapon that Brady will take advantage of. The additions of Stallworth and Welker are very nice weapons for Brady to work with in addition to Watson Gaffney and Caldwell from last year. Jackson if healthy will be a bonus. This probobly will be the best group of recievers that Brady has had to work with in his career.

If the Pats put Welker, Caldwell and Stallworth in a 3 WR set with Watson at TE and Maroney in the backfield? That's a TON of weapons for a guy like Brady who can rifle through progressions. I've got to think this puts Brady in the top 5 fantasy QBs for the upcoming season, no?

I consider top 5 to be a lock. Brady may break 30TD passes with this group and can compete with Peyton for QB1.ETA- Maroney has not proven he can carry the ball over 300 times in a season yet. I think he will be good enough to keep defenses honest but I expect the pass attempts by the Patriots to still be very high.

Maroney and Sammy Morris are decent options in the passing game as well that can be effective on screens and as check down recievers. The Patriots have a much better group for 5 WR formations they will use at times as well.

Brady will do his usual 3,500-3,800 yds and 24-28 TD...I don't think these signings will enhance his numbers...but they will simply allow him to keep his numbers that he usually produces. NE is a rough place to throw the ball late in the season. Not many cold weather QBs routinely make the top5...doesn't happen often. I like Brady for top10 a lot better than top5.

I am not sure how you see these recent additions meaning status quo for Brady's numbers especialy when one considers that Brady was Qb 7 last year with the worst group of recievers he has ever had.

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Passing | Rushing |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| 2000 nwe | 1 | 1 3 33.3 6 2.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 |

| 2001 nwe | 15 | 264 413 63.9 2843 6.9 18 12 | 36 43 0 |

| 2002 nwe | 16 | 373 601 62.1 3764 6.3 28 14 | 42 110 1 |

| 2003 nwe | 16 | 317 527 60.2 3620 6.9 23 12 | 42 63 1 |

| 2004 nwe | 16 | 288 474 60.8 3692 7.8 28 14 | 43 28 0 |

| 2005 nwe | 16 | 334 530 63.0 4110 7.8 26 14 | 27 89 1 |

| 2006 nwe | 16 | 319 516 61.8 3529 6.8 24 12 | 49 102 0 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

| TOTAL | 96 | 1896 3064 61.9 21564 7.0 147 78 | 239 435 3 |

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

I am expecting pass attempts to be up so 530-570 range because the Patriots no longer have Dillon. Yards/attempt should increase back to 2004-2005 levels with Stallworth streaching the field and Welker working underneath. Stallworth scores TDs and Maroney is not as sure of a goal line runner as Dillon was either. So expecting TDs to be higher than 25 should be expected as well.Only thing I see keeping Brady's numbers down is if Stallworth misses most of the games in 2007 due to injury which is possible.

IMO, Brady's numbers will stay relatively the same as they have over his career. Using 4 pt per TD scoring, Brady has totalled 303 (02), 285 (04), 310 (05), 270 (06). His rankings have varied a lot more due to the scoring of other QBs.I suspect that Brady's numbers will only go up slightly and any bigger jump will be dependent upon the stength of the defense (or lack of it). Brady has shown that he can be a gunslinger when they need him to be, but if the defense is solid I doubt New England will pass as much as they would if they were behind.

If the Pats are ahead late in the game, I still feel that someone will be running the ball and taking time off of the clock.

 

[Biabreakable]

Anarchy,

You do not see Brady's numbers improving from 2006 when they lost Branch and used journeymen Caldwell and Gaffney?

I think Welker and Stallworth are significant upgrades from those 2. I would at least expect Bradys yards/attempt to go back up to 2004-2005 levels which is a full yard/attempt better.

bostonfred mentioned earlier in this thread Stallworths high TD to catch ratio. I believe this is a good indicator to expect Bradys TDs to increase. Also Dillon was a very proficient goal line RB. They don't have him anymore. The Patriots ran the ball in for TD 20 times in 2006. I think at least a few of these TDs will end up being passing TD.

The pass attempts while affected by the play of the defense I think are more directly related to the running game. I do not see Maroney/Morris/Faulk running the ball more than they pass like they did in 2004. The Patriots are very proficient in the short passing game to convert 1st downs and keep the clock running as well. I expect passing attempts to be in the 530-570 range as I allready stated based off of past numbers when the Patriots defense has been very good in those years as well. I see no reason to expect a return to 2004 pass attempt levels when Dillon was able to run the ball 345 times.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Do you recognize that the Patriots, Jets and Lions run different offenses? The Patriots TE's caught over 1000 yrds while neither the Jets nor Lions had more than 400 yards out of the TE position. The Patriots have not had a 1000 yard receiver in over 5 years. The Patriots run a non-WR centric offense.

thank you.

 

[David Yudkin]

Anarchy,You do not see Brady's numbers improving from 2006 when they lost Branch and used journeymen Caldwell and Gaffney?I think Welker and Stallworth are significant upgrades from those 2. I would at least expect Bradys yards/attempt to go back up to 2004-2005 levels which is a full yard/attempt better.bostonfred mentioned earlier in this thread Stallworths high TD to catch ratio. I believe this is a good indicator to expect Bradys TDs to increase. Also Dillon was a very proficient goal line RB. They don't have him anymore. The Patriots ran the ball in for TD 20 times in 2006. I think at least a few of these TDs will end up being passing TD.The pass attempts while affected by the play of the defense I think are more directly related to the running game. I do not see Maroney/Morris/Faulk running the ball more than they pass like they did in 2004. The Patriots are very proficient in the short passing game to convert 1st downs and keep the clock running as well. I expect passing attempts to be in the 530-570 range as I allready stated based off of past numbers when the Patriots defense has been very good in those years as well. I see no reason to expect a return to 2004 pass attempt levels when Dillon was able to run the ball 345 times.

I agree that the Pats have better receiving options, although I do not by default think that they will pass much more unless they have to.The years the Pats struggled with injuries, a so-so running game, and gave up more points coincided with Brady's years with his most passing attempts (601 in 2002 and 530 in 2005). The year they were their most dominant (2004) Brady dipped down to 474 passing attempts.I suspect that Brady's attempts may actually remain close to last year but his yardage will climb slightly and he may get a few more TD. So I'm guessing 3700-3800 passing yards and 26 or 27 TD. And I doubt Brady goes over 100 rushing yards this year.I also think the Pats are not done signing players and I think they will add another RB (although no one earth shattering) for depth, maybe short yardage, or a young guy to develop from the draft. Although I doubt it will happen, I wonder if the Pats are still considering Dillon should the RB opportunities for him dry up.Bottom line for New England is that they will move the ball the best way that they can until they want to protect a lead. Ultimately, at that point I am pretty sure that they would like to take the air out of the ball and run out the clock. That was their undoing last year, so I wonder if how big a priority that is to the team. THe offensive signing should help spread the field, but I still wonder how ell they will do when teams are fully expecting them to try to run.

 

[brednbuddah]

that'll never happen. In his last 48 games, Donte Stallworth is the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. anyone with an opposing view regarding his injury history is just going off what they've heard about him. (How's that Pat? Did I get it right?)

???? He missed 4 games LAST YEAR. In his last 18 games he is not the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. Stallworth is what he is. A speed guy who will get 2 maybe three catches a game and present a deep threat that opposing defenses need to be worried about. It's a good signing for the Pats (not great). The big question will be if he has the exact identical season this year as he did last year do the Pats keep him?

guess I should've used this... there are members of this thread who choose not to face the truth, so you tell them what they want to hear.

 

[Wandering wookie]

that'll never happen. In his last 48 games, Donte Stallworth is the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. anyone with an opposing view regarding his injury history is just going off what they've heard about him. (How's that Pat? Did I get it right?)

???? He missed 4 games LAST YEAR. In his last 18 games he is not the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. Stallworth is what he is. A speed guy who will get 2 maybe three catches a game and present a deep threat that opposing defenses need to be worried about. It's a good signing for the Pats (not great). The big question will be if he has the exact identical season this year as he did last year do the Pats keep him?

guess I should've used this...

there are members of this thread who choose not to face the truth, so you tell them what they want to hear.

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for the up coming draft so that we can get back to greatness in drafting). We are also going to extend the contracts of what we think are solid vets with declining skills and a overburdening desire to be paid. Next, we are going to give back the SB trophies from 36 (to the raiders) and 38 & 39 to the Colts as we certainly bought off the entire officiating crews of all those games, changed the weather, and relied solely on Vinatari's leg to win every game that meant anything. As far as the 21 games in a row, we perfer that the only highlights from that string should come from the Dolphins game that ended the streak. We also want to extend our deepest sympathies towards the fans of all other teams on behalf of how we have mis handled our "success" and we will ensure this doesn't happen again by hiring a new coaching staff of Rod Rust, Ron Meyer, and **** McPherson to be GM'd by Isiah Thomas and led by James Orthawine who shall move the team to LA or Hartford. We shall also make certain to have our team members be taught the rules of post game ettiquette in regards to reporters by Zeke Mowatt with further examples of how to name your member accordingly when in the presence of female scoop snoopers. We will re-educate our fans to correctly carry out the goal posts out of the stadium so that we can lose all MNF rights and be saved from drunken hordes electrocuting themselves parading down RT1. We shall also make certain that Irving Fryar runs the off field programs for various programs on what to do if your wife gets lippy. We shall make certain that after we get our butts kicked in the superbowl, we will test positive for any dru&s possible. Thank you

 

[PatsFanCT]

Stallworth signed a cheap first year contract to prove himself. I think the injury knock on him is overrated and it is in his best interest to stay healthy and have a productive season. I believe he plays every game next season and easily surpasses 1000yrds and 10 TD's.

 

[David Yudkin]

Stallworth signed a cheap first year contract to prove himself. I think the injury knock on him is overrated and it is in his best interest to stay healthy and have a productive season. I believe he plays every game next season and easily surpasses 1000yrds and 10 TD's.

I hope you are right . . .But the last WR to eclipse 1000 yards was Troy Brown in 2001. They have only had 9 seasons with a WR with 1000+ yards. And they haven't had a WR with 10 receiving TD since 1986 (and three times overall).

 

[Kit Fisto]

that'll never happen. In his last 48 games, Donte Stallworth is the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. anyone with an opposing view regarding his injury history is just going off what they've heard about him. (How's that Pat? Did I get it right?)

???? He missed 4 games LAST YEAR. In his last 18 games he is not the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. Stallworth is what he is. A speed guy who will get 2 maybe three catches a game and present a deep threat that opposing defenses need to be worried about. It's a good signing for the Pats (not great). The big question will be if he has the exact identical season this year as he did last year do the Pats keep him?

guess I should've used this...

there are members of this thread who choose not to face the truth, so you tell them what they want to hear.

Dear Colts and Jets fans (and anyall other fans that the Patriots have Tee'd off): We really suck, we have no solid plan nor any idea of how to run a franchise. We are currently trying to run our franchise into the ground by taking the worst chances on absolutely valueless free agents. We are not doing this to level the playing field nor to just try win some games, we are doing this in order to assure you that your franchises are doing GREAT things and that you deserve the spot light. Please feel free to give us some suggestions on how to make certain we can pick up the worst players (we are considering different

Nice!

 

[Phlash]

Stallworth signed a cheap first year contract to prove himself. I think the injury knock on him is overrated and it is in his best interest to stay healthy and have a productive season. I believe he plays every game next season and easily surpasses 1000yrds and 10 TD's.

I hope you are right . . .But the last WR to eclipse 1000 yards was Troy Brown in 2001. They have only had 9 seasons with a WR with 1000+ yards. And they haven't had a WR with 10 receiving TD since 1986 (and three times overall).

I don't know for sure if Stallworth will surpass 1000 yards, but this is probably his and the Patriots best chances to make one. He is going to be motivated for sure, and if he proves that his hands are good, Brady will throw to him early and often

 

[David Yudkin]

Stallworth signed a cheap first year contract to prove himself. I think the injury knock on him is overrated and it is in his best interest to stay healthy and have a productive season. I believe he plays every game next season and easily surpasses 1000yrds and 10 TD's.

I hope you are right . . .But the last WR to eclipse 1000 yards was Troy Brown in 2001. They have only had 9 seasons with a WR with 1000+ yards. And they haven't had a WR with 10 receiving TD since 1986 (and three times overall).

I don't know for sure if Stallworth will surpass 1000 yards, but this is probably his and the Patriots best chances to make one. He is going to be motivated for sure, and if he proves that his hands are good, Brady will throw to him early and often

No matter how you slice it, Stallworth is not going to play for the Pats in 2008 under the terms of his present contract. They will not be handing him almost $10 million in roster bonuses. So Stallworth realistically has a one year deal and needs to prove himself for potential suitors, the Patriots or otherwise. I personally don't see him having 1000 yards but he should still have a decent year if healthy.

 

[Rabbid Patriot Homer]

I am not as optimistic as some other Patriot fans here. Some are saying that Stallworth will put up big numbers because he wants to restore his value when he enters free agency next year. To that I say the following:

1. It was also in his interest to put up huge numbers this past year, on the even of free agency. That didn't stop him from missing time. The notion that his injuries are somehow related to his motivation are both illogical and, even if there was a correlation, not very comforting. Either a) he was legit hurt in spite of his motivation to have a big year before entering FA this year, or b) despite having big incentives to have a great year, he didn't play as much as he could've because he's simply not tough enough.

2. This is not the kind of system that makes it easy for a WR to gain 1,000 yards. Branch missed it by, I think, about 5-7 yards in his last year here, but I don't expect Stallworth, a guy who has been reported to sleep and be late for meetings and whatnot, to walk in, and pick up what I believe is an extremely complex system for wide receivers and do better than Branch did his final year here. I'd be very happy with 700-800 yards, 5-7 TD's, but more importantly we have a guy who can STRETCH THE FIELD and open things up underneath/down the middle for Watson/Welker/Caldwell who can run the short-intermediate routes that the Patriots execute so well.

The New England offense as a whole, in my opinion, stands to gain more than Stallworth himself as far as production goes.

Don't get me wrong - I LIKE the signing, but only after I found out it was essentially a 1 year deal. Had the Patriots signed him to a 5 year, $30 million deal with $12 in gaurantees, I'd not be a fan.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think adding Welker and Stallworth for those terms was a masterstroke. Demonstrably improves their weakest offensive unit (and helps ST return game) for de minimous long-term financial commitment.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

that'll never happen. In his last 48 games, Donte Stallworth is the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. anyone with an opposing view regarding his injury history is just going off what they've heard about him. (How's that Pat? Did I get it right?)

???? He missed 4 games LAST YEAR. In his last 18 games he is not the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. Stallworth is what he is. A speed guy who will get 2 maybe three catches a game and present a deep threat that opposing defenses need to be worried about. It's a good signing for the Pats (not great). The big question will be if he has the exact identical season this year as he did last year do the Pats keep him?

guess I should've used this...

there are members of this thread who choose not to face the truth, so you tell them what they want to hear.

Dear Colts and Jets fans (and anyall other fans that the Patriots have Tee'd off): We really suck, we have no solid plan nor any idea of how to run a franchise. We are currently trying to run our franchise into the ground by taking the worst chances on absolutely valueless free agents. We are not doing this to level the playing field nor to just try win some games, we are doing this in order to assure you that your franchises are doing GREAT things and that you deserve the spot light. Please feel free to give us some suggestions on how to make certain we can pick up the worst players (we are considering different

That was quite dumb. You wasted alot of your time writing up something that wasn't even that impressive.

 

[JohnnyU]

that'll never happen. In his last 48 games, Donte Stallworth is the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. anyone with an opposing view regarding his injury history is just going off what they've heard about him. (How's that Pat? Did I get it right?)

???? He missed 4 games LAST YEAR. In his last 18 games he is not the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. Stallworth is what he is. A speed guy who will get 2 maybe three catches a game and present a deep threat that opposing defenses need to be worried about. It's a good signing for the Pats (not great). The big question will be if he has the exact identical season this year as he did last year do the Pats keep him?

guess I should've used this...

there are members of this thread who choose not to face the truth, so you tell them what they want to hear.

Dear Colts and Jets fans (and anyall other fans that the Patriots have Tee'd off): We really suck, we have no solid plan nor any idea of how to run a franchise. We are currently trying to run our franchise into the ground by taking the worst chances on absolutely valueless free agents. We are not doing this to level the playing field nor to just try win some games, we are doing this in order to assure you that your franchises are doing GREAT things and that you deserve the spot light. Please feel free to give us some suggestions on how to make certain we can pick up the worst players (we are considering different

Good lord isn't that the truth. A bunch of gibberish. Not only do the Colts have the Patriots rattled, but the Colts fans are doing their part as well.

 

[Wandering wookie]

that'll never happen. In his last 48 games, Donte Stallworth is the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. anyone with an opposing view regarding his injury history is just going off what they've heard about him. (How's that Pat? Did I get it right?)

???? He missed 4 games LAST YEAR. In his last 18 games he is not the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. Stallworth is what he is. A speed guy who will get 2 maybe three catches a game and present a deep threat that opposing defenses need to be worried about. It's a good signing for the Pats (not great). The big question will be if he has the exact identical season this year as he did last year do the Pats keep him?

guess I should've used this...

there are members of this thread who choose not to face the truth, so you tell them what they want to hear.

Dear Colts and Jets fans (and anyall other fans that the Patriots have Tee'd off): We really suck, we have no solid plan nor any idea of how to run a franchise. We are currently trying to run our franchise into the ground by taking the worst chances on absolutely valueless free agents. We are not doing this to level the playing field nor to just try win some games, we are doing this in order to assure you that your franchises are doing GREAT things and that you deserve the spot light. Please feel free to give us some suggestions on how to make certain we can pick up the worst players (we are considering different

wooshthe point being that as a fan of the Patriots, I don't think that ANYTHING can "rattle" me. The "gibberish" is part of what most of the long time fans have had to endure (only the tip of the iceberg really) and THAT is why the success is so sweet. So knock em all you want, critique their offseason with your hatemongering slants, and make certain that you check back in when 42 is hoisted up by once, twice, three times-a-brady SB MVP. Yep, my glasses are certainly patriot tinted as I HOPE that yours would be for your teams but beyond that, I ain't sniffing around what I percieve to be the dead carcass of other teams misfortunes and poking it with a stick to see what happens. Be ready to witness the real dynasty of the early 21st century.

 

[JohnnyU]

wooshthe point being that as a fan of the Patriots, I don't think that ANYTHING can "rattle" me. The "gibberish" is part of what most of the long time fans have had to endure (only the tip of the iceberg really) and THAT is why the success is so sweet. So knock em all you want, critique their offseason with your hatemongering slants, and make certain that you check back in when 42 is hoisted up by once, twice, three times-a-brady SB MVP. Yep, my glasses are certainly patriot tinted as I HOPE that yours would be for your teams but beyond that, I ain't sniffing around what I percieve to be the dead carcass of other teams misfortunes and poking it with a stick to see what happens. Be ready to witness the real dynasty of the early 21st century.

You need a woman. Talk all the smack you want, but the last time I checked the Colts ruled the Pats and are World Champs.

 

[bostonfred]

wooshthe point being that as a fan of the Patriots, I don't think that ANYTHING can "rattle" me. The "gibberish" is part of what most of the long time fans have had to endure (only the tip of the iceberg really) and THAT is why the success is so sweet. So knock em all you want, critique their offseason with your hatemongering slants, and make certain that you check back in when 42 is hoisted up by once, twice, three times-a-brady SB MVP. Yep, my glasses are certainly patriot tinted as I HOPE that yours would be for your teams but beyond that, I ain't sniffing around what I percieve to be the dead carcass of other teams misfortunes and poking it with a stick to see what happens. Be ready to witness the real dynasty of the early 21st century.

You need a woman. Talk all the smack you want, but the last time I checked the Colts ruled the Pats and are World Champs.

It's cute how excited you are about this. I remember when the Pats won their first one and I thought being the best for one whole year was a big deal.

 

[JohnnyU]

wooshthe point being that as a fan of the Patriots, I don't think that ANYTHING can "rattle" me. The "gibberish" is part of what most of the long time fans have had to endure (only the tip of the iceberg really) and THAT is why the success is so sweet. So knock em all you want, critique their offseason with your hatemongering slants, and make certain that you check back in when 42 is hoisted up by once, twice, three times-a-brady SB MVP. Yep, my glasses are certainly patriot tinted as I HOPE that yours would be for your teams but beyond that, I ain't sniffing around what I percieve to be the dead carcass of other teams misfortunes and poking it with a stick to see what happens. Be ready to witness the real dynasty of the early 21st century.

You need a woman. Talk all the smack you want, but the last time I checked the Colts ruled the Pats and are World Champs.

It's cute how excited you are about this. I remember when the Pats won their first one and I thought being the best for one whole year was a big deal.

Yes, it is cute isn't it. That doesn't change the facts.

 

[Chunky Soup]

So what is the consensus of Watson's stats going forward? Will NE still use the TEs and WRs seperately? Or are there too many recievers to give the ball to the TE?

 

[bostonfred]

wooshthe point being that as a fan of the Patriots, I don't think that ANYTHING can "rattle" me. The "gibberish" is part of what most of the long time fans have had to endure (only the tip of the iceberg really) and THAT is why the success is so sweet. So knock em all you want, critique their offseason with your hatemongering slants, and make certain that you check back in when 42 is hoisted up by once, twice, three times-a-brady SB MVP. Yep, my glasses are certainly patriot tinted as I HOPE that yours would be for your teams but beyond that, I ain't sniffing around what I percieve to be the dead carcass of other teams misfortunes and poking it with a stick to see what happens. Be ready to witness the real dynasty of the early 21st century.

You need a woman. Talk all the smack you want, but the last time I checked the Colts ruled the Pats and are World Champs.

It's cute how excited you are about this. I remember when the Pats won their first one and I thought being the best for one whole year was a big deal.

Yes, it is cute isn't it. That doesn't change the facts.

What facts? The Colts had a nice year. I bet you already subscribed to Sports Illustrated to get the commemorative DVD or football or whatever it is. It's fun. Enjoy it. Your team deserved one after all those years playing in a soft division. They finally had a defense that could get them back into contention, AND Manning finally had a good game in the playoffs. Now let us get back to enjoying the Patriots dynasty, and you can enjoy having won Superbowl forty something or whatever it was.

 

[Native]

that'll never happen. In his last 48 games, Donte Stallworth is the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. anyone with an opposing view regarding his injury history is just going off what they've heard about him. (How's that Pat? Did I get it right?)

???? He missed 4 games LAST YEAR. In his last 18 games he is not the epitome of solid, consistent, dependable WR play. Stallworth is what he is. A speed guy who will get 2 maybe three catches a game and present a deep threat that opposing defenses need to be worried about. It's a good signing for the Pats (not great). The big question will be if he has the exact identical season this year as he did last year do the Pats keep him?

guess I should've used this...

there are members of this thread who choose not to face the truth, so you tell them what they want to hear.

Dear Colts and Jets fans (and anyall other fans that the Patriots have Tee'd off): We really suck, we have no solid plan nor any idea of how to run a franchise. We are currently trying to run our franchise into the ground by taking the worst chances on absolutely valueless free agents. We are not doing this to level the playing field nor to just try win some games, we are doing this in order to assure you that your franchises are doing GREAT things and that you deserve the spot light. Please feel free to give us some suggestions on how to make certain we can pick up the worst players (we are considering different

This is the kind of attitude that has made so many people hate the Pats and their fans. And no, that is not a compliment.

 

[Native]

wooshthe point being that as a fan of the Patriots, I don't think that ANYTHING can "rattle" me. The "gibberish" is part of what most of the long time fans have had to endure (only the tip of the iceberg really) and THAT is why the success is so sweet. So knock em all you want, critique their offseason with your hatemongering slants, and make certain that you check back in when 42 is hoisted up by once, twice, three times-a-brady SB MVP. Yep, my glasses are certainly patriot tinted as I HOPE that yours would be for your teams but beyond that, I ain't sniffing around what I percieve to be the dead carcass of other teams misfortunes and poking it with a stick to see what happens. Be ready to witness the real dynasty of the early 21st century.

You need a woman. Talk all the smack you want, but the last time I checked the Colts ruled the Pats and are World Champs.

It's cute how excited you are about this. I remember when the Pats won their first one and I thought being the best for one whole year was a big deal.

Yes, it is cute isn't it. That doesn't change the facts.

What facts? The Colts had a nice year. I bet you already subscribed to Sports Illustrated to get the commemorative DVD or football or whatever it is. It's fun. Enjoy it. Your team deserved one after all those years playing in a soft division. They finally had a defense that could get them back into contention, AND Manning finally had a good game in the playoffs. Now let us get back to enjoying the Patriots dynasty, and you can enjoy having won Superbowl forty something or whatever it was.

As does this.

 

[Pat Patriot]

wooshthe point being that as a fan of the Patriots, I don't think that ANYTHING can "rattle" me. The "gibberish" is part of what most of the long time fans have had to endure (only the tip of the iceberg really) and THAT is why the success is so sweet. So knock em all you want, critique their offseason with your hatemongering slants, and make certain that you check back in when 42 is hoisted up by once, twice, three times-a-brady SB MVP. Yep, my glasses are certainly patriot tinted as I HOPE that yours would be for your teams but beyond that, I ain't sniffing around what I percieve to be the dead carcass of other teams misfortunes and poking it with a stick to see what happens. Be ready to witness the real dynasty of the early 21st century.

You need a woman. Talk all the smack you want, but the last time I checked the Colts ruled the Pats and are World Champs.

It's cute how excited you are about this. I remember when the Pats won their first one and I thought being the best for one whole year was a big deal.

Yes, it is cute isn't it. That doesn't change the facts.

What facts? The Colts had a nice year. I bet you already subscribed to Sports Illustrated to get the commemorative DVD or football or whatever it is. It's fun. Enjoy it. Your team deserved one after all those years playing in a soft division. They finally had a defense that could get them back into contention, AND Manning finally had a good game in the playoffs. Now let us get back to enjoying the Patriots dynasty, and you can enjoy having won Superbowl forty something or whatever it was.

As does this.

JohnnyU, who I thought was classy and who I congratulated when the Colts won, talks smack. He gets smack thrown back at him and you are saying this is why Pats fans get a bad name? Ok, if you say so.

 

[Workhorse]

JohnnyU is plenty classy. And he has every right to talk as much smack as he wants after this past postseason. Nuff said.

 

[Pat Patriot]

JohnnyU is plenty classy. And he has every right to talk as much smack as he wants after this past postseason. Nuff said.

Absolutely and others dont have to cry when he gets it talked back to him.

 

[bostonfred]

wooshthe point being that as a fan of the Patriots, I don't think that ANYTHING can "rattle" me. The "gibberish" is part of what most of the long time fans have had to endure (only the tip of the iceberg really) and THAT is why the success is so sweet. So knock em all you want, critique their offseason with your hatemongering slants, and make certain that you check back in when 42 is hoisted up by once, twice, three times-a-brady SB MVP. Yep, my glasses are certainly patriot tinted as I HOPE that yours would be for your teams but beyond that, I ain't sniffing around what I percieve to be the dead carcass of other teams misfortunes and poking it with a stick to see what happens. Be ready to witness the real dynasty of the early 21st century.

You need a woman. Talk all the smack you want, but the last time I checked the Colts ruled the Pats and are World Champs.

It's cute how excited you are about this. I remember when the Pats won their first one and I thought being the best for one whole year was a big deal.

Yes, it is cute isn't it. That doesn't change the facts.

What facts? The Colts had a nice year. I bet you already subscribed to Sports Illustrated to get the commemorative DVD or football or whatever it is. It's fun. Enjoy it. Your team deserved one after all those years playing in a soft division. They finally had a defense that could get them back into contention, AND Manning finally had a good game in the playoffs. Now let us get back to enjoying the Patriots dynasty, and you can enjoy having won Superbowl forty something or whatever it was.

As does this.

JohnnyU has been in a lot of Pats threads this offseason looking to start a little something, and he's been in every free agent thread this offseason talking about how the Colts kept this guy, or didn't need that guy, or the Pats overspent on this guy, or were going to be scary because of some other guy. He says talk all the smack you want the Colts are world champs, so I talked all the smack he wanted. It's fun, it's the offseason, we're rivals, and they finally won something. Enjoy it, don't apologize for it.

 

[Sidewinder]

I'm interested in seeing how Stallworth does in a more conventional downfield passing offense, which I think he's more suited for. He's played his entire pro career in WC offenses, but I never thought his hands were really good enough to take advantage of it. Can't count how many times Brooks would hit Donte with a perfect throw on a quick slant that would have gone the distance, just to see Stallworth drop the ball.

He can be pretty frustrating guy to root for -- you never knew when he'd come out of a game (or be a last minute scratch) with the hamstrings. And he's never been known as the most motivated player around. I guess if any coach can get the most out of him, BB can. Kind of a red flag though when Sean Payton gets rid of him in training camp (and starts an unproved 7th round pick in his place), and then Andy Reid doesn't think he's worth re-signing. Maybe third team is the charm.

 

[JohnnyU]

wooshthe point being that as a fan of the Patriots, I don't think that ANYTHING can "rattle" me. The "gibberish" is part of what most of the long time fans have had to endure (only the tip of the iceberg really) and THAT is why the success is so sweet. So knock em all you want, critique their offseason with your hatemongering slants, and make certain that you check back in when 42 is hoisted up by once, twice, three times-a-brady SB MVP. Yep, my glasses are certainly patriot tinted as I HOPE that yours would be for your teams but beyond that, I ain't sniffing around what I percieve to be the dead carcass of other teams misfortunes and poking it with a stick to see what happens. Be ready to witness the real dynasty of the early 21st century.

You need a woman. Talk all the smack you want, but the last time I checked the Colts ruled the Pats and are World Champs.

It's cute how excited you are about this. I remember when the Pats won their first one and I thought being the best for one whole year was a big deal.

Yes, it is cute isn't it. That doesn't change the facts.

What facts? The Colts had a nice year. I bet you already subscribed to Sports Illustrated to get the commemorative DVD or football or whatever it is. It's fun. Enjoy it. Your team deserved one after all those years playing in a soft division. They finally had a defense that could get them back into contention, AND Manning finally had a good game in the playoffs. Now let us get back to enjoying the Patriots dynasty, and you can enjoy having won Superbowl forty something or whatever it was.

As does this.

JohnnyU has been in a lot of Pats threads this offseason looking to start a little something, and he's been in every free agent thread this offseason talking about how the Colts kept this guy, or didn't need that guy, or the Pats overspent on this guy, or were going to be scary because of some other guy. He says talk all the smack you want the Colts are world champs, so I talked all the smack he wanted. It's fun, it's the offseason, we're rivals, and they finally won something. Enjoy it, don't apologize for it.

Come on guys, have some fun. When Indy beat the Pats I didn't sign on and talk any smack whatsoever, because I know how it feels right after you lose. So I waited until now to have some fun