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STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (2 Viewers)

Assuming Rey spends time with Luke in the next two movies that might open up one more spot to tie to the past if Chewy goes to look for Lando for help.
I can appreciate not knowing how to fit Lando into this story but I gotta think he's in at least one of the next two. They brought back Ackbar for Christ sake. Lando's gotta be coming back at some point.
Lando, Finn's dad? Though it'd be cheesy if all the new main characters are kids of the previous main characters.
Samuel L Jackson's kid. Don't remember the name of the Jedi he played.
Mace Windu and if we're going strictly canon, he dead. He died 40 years ago by this movie.
As far as the movies are concerned, we never actually see Windu die. We see Palpatine launch him out of the shattered window after Vader cut off his hand. He could have survived that and went into hiding. Canon-wise all we have are the films and there's no proof he died from that. We saw Anakin survive a huge fall after leaping out of a speeder car on purpose in episode 2. Windu could have just steered himself to catch a passing speeder car before he hit the ground.

 
Assuming Rey spends time with Luke in the next two movies that might open up one more spot to tie to the past if Chewy goes to look for Lando for help.
I can appreciate not knowing how to fit Lando into this story but I gotta think he's in at least one of the next two. They brought back Ackbar for Christ sake. Lando's gotta be coming back at some point.
Lando, Finn's dad? Though it'd be cheesy if all the new main characters are kids of the previous main characters.
Samuel L Jackson's kid. Don't remember the name of the Jedi he played.
Mace Windu and if we're going strictly canon, he dead. He died 40 years ago by this movie.
As far as the movies are concerned, we never actually see Windu die. We see Palpatine launch him out of the shattered window after Vader cut off his hand. He could have survived that and went into hiding. Canon-wise all we have are the films and there's no proof he died from that. We saw Anakin survive a huge fall after leaping out of a speeder car on purpose in episode 2. Windu could have just steered himself to catch a passing speeder car before he hit the ground.
We will never know but I think Windu was dead as he fell. After the emperor tricked Anikan into saving him by playing turtle, he hit Windu with the full force of his lighting from 2 feet away.

 
BTW Darth Maul actually survived getting cut in half and taking a huge fall. They brought him back in season 4, episode 21 of the clone wars animated series. Once the writers did that, I think possibility of bringing back Windu is firmly on the table.

 
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Assuming Rey spends time with Luke in the next two movies that might open up one more spot to tie to the past if Chewy goes to look for Lando for help.
I can appreciate not knowing how to fit Lando into this story but I gotta think he's in at least one of the next two. They brought back Ackbar for Christ sake. Lando's gotta be coming back at some point.
Lando, Finn's dad? Though it'd be cheesy if all the new main characters are kids of the previous main characters.
Samuel L Jackson's kid. Don't remember the name of the Jedi he played.
Mace Windu and if we're going strictly canon, he dead. He died 40 years ago by this movie.
As far as the movies are concerned, we never actually see Windu die. We see Palpatine launch him out of the shattered window after Vader cut off his hand. He could have survived that and went into hiding. Canon-wise all we have are the films and there's no proof he died from that. We saw Anakin survive a huge fall after leaping out of a speeder car on purpose in episode 2. Windu could have just steered himself to catch a passing speeder car before he hit the ground.
He got struck in the face with force lightning, had his arm chopped off and flown out the window from one of the top towers of coruscant. That's pretty much you're dead as far as Star wars is concerned.

 
BTW Darth Maul actually survived getting cut in half and taking a huge fall. They brought him back in season 4, episode 21 of the clone wars animated series. Once the writers did that, I think possibility of bringing back Windu is firmly on the table.
They haven't done it yet. He's dead.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
MikeIke said:
As we were walking out of the theater my wife said "the only bad thing was no Jar Jar." I thought the dude in front of her was going to punch her. I wanted to myself, actually.
Grounds for divorce
I could never be married to such a woman.

 
Album and video (low quality) of Rey's flashback.
So at the end of the flashback, I'm trying to figure out the last whisper. Sounds like it is McGregor's Kenobi saying

"He was among the first senators that knew you"?
wtf could that mean? :)

I still feel like we are going to see ghost(s) in either 8 or 9.
At the 24-second mark is Luke's scream from Empire when Vader tells him he's his father.

Someone says "Rey" around the 58-second mark. Sounds like Obi-Wan.

I have a feeling I'm gonna be watching this A LOT now. :lmao:
Early muffled dialogue has two distinct moments, both are Padme saying "Anakin."

 
What was the specific reason R2 woke up right when he did? They had been in that location for a while and BB8 tried to get him to move but he would not.

What made him later realize he had the rest of the map info that he could have given earlier?
Rey.
Or was it Luke's Light saber back in his vicinity?
Either, really.

One other thing I noticed on my second viewing: every time Rey was about to do something Force related (like when she took on Kylo Ren), they played Luke's theme from episode IV.

ETA:

Also, on my second viewing I caught this: When Kylo Ren reads Rey's mind, he mentions her early memory of "an island."

Strong evidence she's been to Luke's hideout before. And that the old man who had the missing piece of the map was there watching her, like Ben watched Luke.

Who was that old guy? He knew Kylo's real name and family. He had met him before. My guess is he was present during Luke's training of the next generation of Jedi.

Lastly, I also tried my hardest to identify the voice in her vision who says, "This is the first step..." but I couldn't nail it as Obi Wan or Yoda or Annakin.
Im watching A New Hope right now, and Ben just said it to Luke when Luke is first practicing with a saber on the Millenium Falcon while on their way to Alderaan.. The exchange:

Luke: You know, I did feel something. I could almost see the remote.

Ben: Thats good....youve taken your first step into a larger world.

 
Assuming Rey spends time with Luke in the next two movies that might open up one more spot to tie to the past if Chewy goes to look for Lando for help.
I can appreciate not knowing how to fit Lando into this story but I gotta think he's in at least one of the next two. They brought back Ackbar for Christ sake. Lando's gotta be coming back at some point.
Lando, Finn's dad? Though it'd be cheesy if all the new main characters are kids of the previous main characters.
Samuel L Jackson's kid. Don't remember the name of the Jedi he played.
Mace Windu and if we're going strictly canon, he dead. He died 40 years ago by this movie.
As far as the movies are concerned, we never actually see Windu die. We see Palpatine launch him out of the shattered window after Vader cut off his hand. He could have survived that and went into hiding. Canon-wise all we have are the films and there's no proof he died from that. We saw Anakin survive a huge fall after leaping out of a speeder car on purpose in episode 2. Windu could have just steered himself to catch a passing speeder car before he hit the ground.
With one arm "mother####er"

 
I started reading the novel and will post any added information I think is relevant.

For those wondering about Rey's age, it reads "she was nearly 20".

 
Kylo Ren's delivery and tone while wearing the mask was awesome. It seemed like he chumped out without it. Driver is good actor, though.

 
Kylo Ren's delivery and tone while wearing the mask was awesome. It seemed like he chumped out without it. Driver is good actor, though.
It seemed like that was very intentional.

Just saw it today. Wow, 100x better than 1-3. Right on par with 4-6. Probably impossible to catch/pass those, but it made one hell of an attempt.

They made some nice choices for actors I thought. Well done all around

 
One of the nice things about it is relatively new/unknown actors like the originals...no sam Jackson, Portman, Neeson, etc...having big name actors in new roles just doesn't work,.it's too distracting IMO.

 
Kylo Ren's delivery and tone while wearing the mask was awesome. It seemed like he chumped out without it. Driver is good actor, though.
It seemed like that was very intentional.
I was just going to post that too. I think it definitely was. Like someone posted earlier he needed the mask to complete the effect in his own mind. Rey says his biggest fear is he won't measure up to Vader and I think he feels he needs the mask to complete the transformation. Without it he's Ben Solo and that isn't who he is trying to be.

 
One of the nice things about it is relatively new/unknown actors like the originals...no sam Jackson, Portman, Neeson, etc...having big name actors in new roles just doesn't work,.it's too distracting IMO.
I think Abrams could've made it work since he's a far more skilled director than Lucas but I agree it's good to have new actors we generally haven't seen creating hopefully new iconic characters.

 
Kylo Ren's delivery and tone while wearing the mask was awesome. It seemed like he chumped out without it. Driver is good actor, though.
It seemed like that was very intentional.
I was just going to post that too. I think it definitely was. Like someone posted earlier he needed the mask to complete the effect in his own mind. Rey says his biggest fear is he won't measure up to Vader and I think he feels he needs the mask to complete the transformation. Without it he's Ben Solo and that isn't who he is trying to be.
I read one review where they said for Anakin, putting the mask on completed his move to the dark side. For Ben, it was taking the mask off in front of his father where he completed his move to the dark side.

 
Kylo Ren's delivery and tone while wearing the mask was awesome. It seemed like he chumped out without it. Driver is good actor, though.
It seemed like that was very intentional.
I was just going to post that too. I think it definitely was. Like someone posted earlier he needed the mask to complete the effect in his own mind. Rey says his biggest fear is he won't measure up to Vader and I think he feels he needs the mask to complete the transformation. Without it he's Ben Solo and that isn't who he is trying to be.
I read one review where they said for Anakin, putting the mask on completed his move to the dark side. For Ben, it was taking the mask off in front of his father where he completed his move to the dark side.
I think it was killing Han that did it but I agree at this point it's likely unnecessary especially once his training is complete. Be interesting to see if he wears it in the next film.

 
Now he has a massive scar on his cheek which should give him more of a deadly look for the next film. If it were me I would have had his nose and ears chopped off as those were huge distractions, pun intended.

 
Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.

 
Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.
That would make Leia one of the biggest #####es in the galaxy. It's one thing to hide twin children from Vader. It's another to hide a child from Han. There's absolutely no reason to do that. No way he could've possibly done anything to warrant being lied to like that.

She's Luke's daughter. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.

 
A part of me wants to believe Luke doesn't have a kid cause of what happened before. And, if Ren is his, who's the mother?

A part of me doesn't want to think Ren is Leia's kid cause Han would have reacted differently, I tend to believe.

With Luke and Leia's reactions though... there is some history with Ren. Although, why would Leia not go see Luke unless she already knew where he was to begin with? Maybe Leia does know where Luke is and they communicate with the Force.

Or, maybe R2D2 knows where Luke is and when he needs to be found, R2D2 wakes up. Maybe Luke is able to communicate with R2 as well.

However, in the end, she is related to the Skywalker line. In the trailer, Luke doesn't say, "my daughter has it" nor does he say "my niece has it". But, in the end, Han and Leia had a reaction to Ren as an uncle or aunt would. Luke's reaction, as a father, is unreadable. So, while Luke may be her father, there is no confirmation to it. However, in the books, Luke does name his kid Ben so Leia screwed that one up. We just need Mara Jade now.

 
Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.
No reason to "keep them safe" at that time, especially since one child stayed with Han and Leia in your hypothetical which is what would be dangerous.

She's not Ben's twin, no way.

 
A part of me wants to believe Luke doesn't have a kid cause of what happened before. And, if Ren is his, who's the mother?

A part of me doesn't want to think Ren is Leia's kid cause Han would have reacted differently, I tend to believe.

With Luke and Leia's reactions though... there is some history with Ren. Although, why would Leia not go see Luke unless she already knew where he was to begin with? Maybe Leia does know where Luke is and they communicate with the Force.

Or, maybe R2D2 knows where Luke is and when he needs to be found, R2D2 wakes up. Maybe Luke is able to communicate with R2 as well.

However, in the end, she is related to the Skywalker line. In the trailer, Luke doesn't say, "my daughter has it" nor does he say "my niece has it". But, in the end, Han and Leia had a reaction to Ren as an uncle or aunt would. Luke's reaction, as a father, is unreadable. So, while Luke may be her father, there is no confirmation to it. However, in the books, Luke does name his kid Ben so Leia screwed that one up. We just need Mara Jade now.
She won't be in it. Instead we'll have a feisty red headed force user named Jara Maide that in no way should be confused with the now defunct EU character of a similar name.

 
Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.
That would make Leia one of the biggest #####es in the galaxy. It's one thing to hide twin children from Vader. It's another to hide a child from Han. There's absolutely no reason to do that. No way he could've possibly done anything to warrant being lied to like that. She's Luke's daughter. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.
I agree 100%. She would need to fall somewhere in the Jedi bloodline to have the ability she showed in this movie.That means a descendant of Leia/Luke.

I don't see Abrahms bringing in some new character in the next episode that no one has ever heard of that turns out to have fathered/mothered her with Luke/Leia. It would be a huge bummer.

The Leia/Han relationship was built up through the original series that them having had a child was believable.

I think even a twin thing with Ren would be cheesy. I like the "daughter of Luke", who then ran away from everything, but redeems himself through his daughter plot line fits the best. I'd totally buy that; hope they don't jump the shark with some wacky ### double switch move.

 
Leia would be willing to do what is best for the galaxy.

That is her upbringing. Han wouldn't. So if it were their child she would have to keep it from him if they were going to send her away.

 
Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.
That would make Leia one of the biggest #####es in the galaxy. It's one thing to hide twin children from Vader. It's another to hide a child from Han. There's absolutely no reason to do that. No way he could've possibly done anything to warrant being lied to like that.

She's Luke's daughter. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.
And it's another to hug your daughter, and send her to parts unknown without telling her "I'm your mother."

No way.

She's Luke's kid.

 
Han seems prepared to put Ren back out once he gets the Falcon. So it seems like he does not know who she is. Why is that the case if she is Luke's?

From Leia's reaction it is clear she does know.

So whatever the answer it seems like Han is not in on the secret.

 
What was the specific reason R2 woke up right when he did? They had been in that location for a while and BB8 tried to get him to move but he would not.

What made him later realize he had the rest of the map info that he could have given earlier?
Rey.
Or was it Luke's Light saber back in his vicinity? Or the map piece
Both the light saber and map piece were present near R2 earlier in the movie. Rey's presence is the difference. 3PO says that he had been in low power mode since Master Luke left. Did R2 detect the Luke's child instead of Luke?

 
Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.
That would make Leia one of the biggest #####es in the galaxy. It's one thing to hide twin children from Vader. It's another to hide a child from Han. There's absolutely no reason to do that. No way he could've possibly done anything to warrant being lied to like that.

She's Luke's daughter. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.
And it's another to hug your daughter, and send her to parts unknown without telling her "I'm your mother."

No way.

She's Luke's kid.
In order for her to be Han and Leia's kid that would mean she would've had to have been left on the planet at birth so Han would never know she existed. This would've occurred well before Ben turned. That doesn't make any sense. We also saw in the flashback that Rey was left when she was a little girl so she had to have grown up with her parents for several years. In order for her to be Han's daughter this would mean she was hidden from him during a time when there was no reason to hide a child from him since Ben hadn't turned yet.

Unless we're to believe Luke mind-wiped everyone including Han to forget Rey ever existed. To me that seems like a rather convoluted plan and paints Luke and Leia in a rather despicable position of hiding a child from their best friend/ex. The far simpler one is that she is Luke's daughter and he left her behind for reasons currently unknown that almost certainly will be explained later.

 
Did Ren's hand get cut off at the end of the fight?

And what are the extent of his injuries? He had a really bad day.
Chewbacca nailed him with the Bowcaster, Finn got a lucky shot in, and then Rey got his face and another hit in, neither of which were deadly. He was beaten and bruised that's for sure.

But he also killed Solo and knocked Finn out for the rest of the movie.

 
Did Ren's hand get cut off at the end of the fight?

And what are the extent of his injuries? He had a really bad day.
Chewbacca nailed him with the Bowcaster, Finn got a lucky shot in, and then Rey got his face and another hit in, neither of which were deadly. He was beaten and bruised that's for sure.

But he also killed Solo and knocked Finn out for the rest of the movie.
The bowcaster was the worst hit.

It's also the best explanation for how two very untrained kids (even a Skywalker kid) were able to take out a powerful dark jedi.

Remember how Han kept going on about how awesome the bowcaster was? He took out two stormtroopers with one shot.

Ren was badly wounded when he fought Finn and Rey. Badly.

 
Just saw it a 2nd time. It's MUCH, MUCH better the 2nd time. This is for sure a great movie, lots of emotion, just perfect on most every level

 
Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.
That would make Leia one of the biggest #####es in the galaxy. It's one thing to hide twin children from Vader. It's another to hide a child from Han. There's absolutely no reason to do that. No way he could've possibly done anything to warrant being lied to like that.

She's Luke's daughter. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.
And it's another to hug your daughter, and send her to parts unknown without telling her "I'm your mother."

No way.

She's Luke's kid.
In order for her to be Han and Leia's kid that would mean she would've had to have been left on the planet at birth so Han would never know she existed. This would've occurred well before Ben turned. That doesn't make any sense. We also saw in the flashback that Rey was left when she was a little girl so she had to have grown up with her parents for several years. In order for her to be Han's daughter this would mean she was hidden from him during a time when there was no reason to hide a child from him since Ben hadn't turned yet.

Unless we're to believe Luke mind-wiped everyone including Han to forget Rey ever existed. To me that seems like a rather convoluted plan and paints Luke and Leia in a rather despicable position of hiding a child from their best friend/ex. The far simpler one is that she is Luke's daughter and he left her behind for reasons currently unknown that almost certainly will be explained later.
Han may have left before Kylo went bad. Kylo may have gone bad before Leia gave birth. If Rey is a Solo, I don't think she's Kylo's twin.

 
Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.
That would make Leia one of the biggest #####es in the galaxy. It's one thing to hide twin children from Vader. It's another to hide a child from Han. There's absolutely no reason to do that. No way he could've possibly done anything to warrant being lied to like that.

She's Luke's daughter. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.
This is my thinking as well

 
My mind keeps going towards, how will episode 9 end...Luke sacrificing himself to save a young family member (possibly Kylo or Rey) or Rey sacrificing herself to bring balance to the force (ala Matrix 3)...hopefully something else and the story continues to stay fresh and true to the originals at the same time. No chance I don't see any of the 5 coming out- I'm rooting for them to be good!
Sure, it could be interesting to see Luke deal with Kylo, like he did with his grandfather.What I wonder is who was the mother?
Ben Skywalker was the son of Luke and Mara Jade, but obviously JJ is moving some of the pieces around, making Ben Han's kid.

I was hoping for a brief mention of missing twins from Han and Leia but they look to not be using that from the EU.
I have not read the EU books. If Kylo is Han and Leia's son and Rey is Luke's daughter then JJ Abrams would have introduced the mother too. Could it be Maz Kanata?
 
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Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.
That would make Leia one of the biggest #####es in the galaxy. It's one thing to hide twin children from Vader. It's another to hide a child from Han. There's absolutely no reason to do that. No way he could've possibly done anything to warrant being lied to like that. She's Luke's daughter. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.
I agree 100%. She would need to fall somewhere in the Jedi bloodline to have the ability she showed in this movie.That means a descendant of Leia/Luke.

I don't see Abrahms bringing in some new character in the next episode that no one has ever heard of that turns out to have fathered/mothered her with Luke/Leia. It would be a huge bummer.

The Leia/Han relationship was built up through the original series that them having had a child was believable.

I think even a twin thing with Ren would be cheesy. I like the "daughter of Luke", who then ran away from everything, but redeems himself through his daughter plot line fits the best. I'd totally buy that; hope they don't jump the shark with some wacky ### double switch move.
Abrams is not a writer, nor the director, of Star Wars 8. Rian Johnson and George Lucas are listed as writers with Johnson as director.

ETA...I see now, Abrams is the executive producer...

 
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Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.
That would make Leia one of the biggest #####es in the galaxy. It's one thing to hide twin children from Vader. It's another to hide a child from Han. There's absolutely no reason to do that. No way he could've possibly done anything to warrant being lied to like that. She's Luke's daughter. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.
I don't see Abrahms bringing in some new character in the next episode that no one has ever heard of that turns out to have fathered/mothered her with Luke/Leia. It would be a huge bummer..
Benecio DelToro is signed on for Episode VIII. :oldunsure:

 
Twins run in the family. She is Ren's sister.

They split up the family "to keep them safe" and it backfired big time. This is why Luke went into solitude and explains his expression seeing Rey.

It is also probably tied to Ren's fall to the dark side somehow.

I don't think Han knew there were twins, probably a Luke/Leia scheme.
That would make Leia one of the biggest #####es in the galaxy. It's one thing to hide twin children from Vader. It's another to hide a child from Han. There's absolutely no reason to do that. No way he could've possibly done anything to warrant being lied to like that. She's Luke's daughter. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.
I don't see Abrahms bringing in some new character in the next episode that no one has ever heard of that turns out to have fathered/mothered her with Luke/Leia. It would be a huge bummer..
Benecio DelToro is signed on for Episode VIII. :oldunsure:
Ive got a bad feeling about this.

 

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