Star Wars III SPOILERS discussion thread (1 Viewer)

[BlueOnion]

He doesn't know that she gave birth.

I got to ask, is your 'porkins' alias in relation to the Rebel pilot in Episode IV?

 

[RedRaiders]

The color of a saber is determined by the crystal put in its hilt during construction.

Now this is good Star Wars info. I'm feeling more and more knowledgeable after getting my questions answered, thanks everyone. OK, another question (actually a few questions) that I probably should know, but don't about Vader and his children through Padme.

1. Vader doesn't know that Padme had twins, right? When/how does he find out the whereabouts of his child that he knows he has? When does he learn that there were twins born and when does he learn that Luke and Leia are, in fact, his children thru Padme? Does he know that Padme died?

He doesn't know that she gave birth. HE probably assumes that the child dies with her. HE learns about Luke after Luke destroys the Death Star. He feels the strong force as he is about to shoot Luke, then learns later that the name of the pilot was Luke Skywalker. He doesn't learn about Leia until he basically reads Luke's mind during their battle in ROTJ. He only learns that Luke has a sister, not her actual identity.

Which is sure odd since he was face to face with Leia in Episode IV

 

[Andy Dufresne]

let it go, nerdlinger.

Maybe I am alone in this argument and should let it go. Anybody understand the point I am trying to make?

Help me Andy Dufresne...your my only hope....

Kenobi has to be VERY careful in what he tells Luke the Vader/Anakin story. He is the last hope. If you watch Guiness' performance (brilliant, BTW), you see that he's uncomfortable lying to Luke, but he has no choice. Watch his body language right after Luke asks "How did my father die?"

Obi-Wan is a tragic hero in this case. All along he was put in an impossible situation, first being thrown into the mentorship of Anakin when the council wouldn't take the responsibility, then in the mentorship of Luke when he had no choice.

His story to Luke was a matter of disclosure, since his situation was so precarious. In my view, he had no choice but to lie to Luke.

Either way, it's not a point of distinction worth worrying about, IMO. So let it go.

 

[BlueOnion]

Which is sure odd since he was face to face with Leia in Episode IV

Darth Vader can read into people's thoughts, but he cannot read thoughts that do not exist.

 

[porkins]

He doesn't know that she gave birth.

I got to ask, is your 'porkins' alias in relation to the Rebel pilot in Episode IV?

You know of any other porkins?Where the heck is smoo anyway?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Which is sure odd since he was face to face with Leia in Episode IV

She's been trained in mind control (her own that is) as referenced in her resistance to the mind probe.

 

[BlueOnion]

Either way, it's not a point of distinction worth worrying about, IMO. So let it go.

I guess I will have to let it go. Maybe we can assume Obi-wan regrets telling Anakin the 'truth' (off the record )in regards to his role with Palpatine and the Jedi Council. So maybe it makes sense for Obi-wan to tell Luke a bold-faced lie.

 

[porkins]

The color of a saber is determined by the crystal put in its hilt during construction.

Now this is good Star Wars info. I'm feeling more and more knowledgeable after getting my questions answered, thanks everyone. OK, another question (actually a few questions) that I probably should know, but don't about Vader and his children through Padme.

1. Vader doesn't know that Padme had twins, right? When/how does he find out the whereabouts of his child that he knows he has? When does he learn that there were twins born and when does he learn that Luke and Leia are, in fact, his children thru Padme? Does he know that Padme died?

He doesn't know that she gave birth. HE probably assumes that the child dies with her. HE learns about Luke after Luke destroys the Death Star. He feels the strong force as he is about to shoot Luke, then learns later that the name of the pilot was Luke Skywalker. He doesn't learn about Leia until he basically reads Luke's mind during their battle in ROTJ. He only learns that Luke has a sister, not her actual identity.

Which is sure odd since he was face to face with Leia in Episode IV

During the battle at the first Death Star, Luke had already begun his training, thereby the force was starting to flow through him. Leia was a politician up until that point. She never knew of her latent abilities so never begun to tap into the force. No tapping, no way for Vader to fell anything.

 

[RedRaiders]

The color of a saber is determined by the crystal put in its hilt during construction.

Now this is good Star Wars info. I'm feeling more and more knowledgeable after getting my questions answered, thanks everyone. OK, another question (actually a few questions) that I probably should know, but don't about Vader and his children through Padme.

1. Vader doesn't know that Padme had twins, right? When/how does he find out the whereabouts of his child that he knows he has? When does he learn that there were twins born and when does he learn that Luke and Leia are, in fact, his children thru Padme? Does he know that Padme died?

He doesn't know that she gave birth. HE probably assumes that the child dies with her. HE learns about Luke after Luke destroys the Death Star. He feels the strong force as he is about to shoot Luke, then learns later that the name of the pilot was Luke Skywalker. He doesn't learn about Leia until he basically reads Luke's mind during their battle in ROTJ. He only learns that Luke has a sister, not her actual identity.

Which is sure odd since he was face to face with Leia in Episode IV

During the battle at the first Death Star, Luke had already begun his training, thereby the force was starting to flow through him. Leia was a politician up until that point. She never knew of her latent abilities so never begun to tap into the force. No tapping, no way for Vader to fell anything.

pfff and he calls himself a Sith lord

 

[Wheelhouse]

OK, changing gears - do we ever know who Anakin's father is? Maybe it's Darth Maul and this all comes full circle again!?

 

[beefcake]

You know, I just cant see Leia being a Jedi.She soo much more make a good Sith Lord.

 

[goonsquad]

What was he supposed to tell him at first? Yes son, your dad is the most evil man in the galaxy?

He should have left off the part about "Darth Vader being his apprentice". This is later to be showed a complete lie based on Obi-wan's "point of view"; Darth Vader was never Obi-wan's apprentice, according to Obi-wan's point of view. Like I said, I have no problem with Jedi withholding information, but coming right out and saying a bold-face lie doesn't sit well with me.

What you fail to realize is that George Lucas is making this stuff up as he goes along. When E4 was made back in '77, Lucas had no idea that Vader was going to be Luke's father. That's something he came up with later. The "Certain point of view" thing was just Lucas covering a glaring plot hole. Same with Return of the Jedi, he needed another shocker on par with Empire, so he made Leia to be Luke's sister. Do you think he'd really start the series off with some hot brother/sister action? Come on.

 

[BlueOnion]

Something else that changed in 'A New Hope' for me...Darth Vader and General Tarkin are talking (oddly it seems Vader works for Tarkin, but that is another story) and Vader says, Vader - "Obi-wan Kenobi is here."Tarkin - "He can't be. You are the last of your kind Vader."Vader - "Don't under-estimate the power of the force."static, static...telecom - "General Tarkin, there is a break in in the detention center ##### (Where is Smoo?)."Tarkin - "The princess?"telecome - "Yes, General."Tarkin (to Vader) - "Kenobi must be here, they must not be allowed to escape."Vader - "Escape is not his plan. I must face him alone."* words not verbatim, pulled from my memory.But when Tarkin finally accepted that Kenobi was possibly on the ship, I know he got worried and I could only imagine him thinking about Kenobi and Skywalker's rescue of Palpatine, and actual likelyhood the princess would be saved.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Vader does know that Leia is his daughter. But the part of him that is still good is protecting her.Watch ESB, at the spot where Chewie starts going berzerk in the carbon freezing chamber. Boba Fett lifts his blaster to waste her and Chewie. Vader stops him. Fett gives him a WTF look. So does Leia.It's a little harder to reconcile this stuff since ANH was intended to be a stand alone movie. I'm willing to give Lucas a little slack as the story was started 30 years ago. The fact that it all fits together as nicely as it does is quite the accomplishment.

 

[BlueOnion]

OK, changing gears - do we ever know who Anakin's father is? Maybe it's Darth Maul and this all comes full circle again!?

Talked about earlier in the thread and there were many thoughts; mine is that Sidious 'created' Anakin.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

OK, changing gears - do we ever know who Anakin's father is?  Maybe it's Darth Maul and this all comes full circle again!? 

Talked about earlier in the thread and there were many thoughts; mine is that Sidious 'created' Anakin.

I agree, per the conversation in the opera house in Ep III.

 

[BlueOnion]

It's a little harder to reconcile this stuff since ANH was intended to be a stand alone movie. I'm willing to give Lucas a little slack as the story was started 30 years ago. The fact that it all fits together as nicely as it does is quite the accomplishment.

This is my sentiment as well.

 

[Polish Hammer]

Vader does know that Leia is his daughter. But the part of him that is still good is protecting her.

Watch ESB, at the spot where Chewie starts going berzerk in the carbon freezing chamber. Boba Fett lifts his blaster to waste her and Chewie. Vader stops him. Fett gives him a WTF look. So does Leia.

It's a little harder to reconcile this stuff since ANH was intended to be a stand alone movie. I'm willing to give Lucas a little slack as the story was started 30 years ago. The fact that it all fits together as nicely as it does is quite the accomplishment.

Hadn't thought of this. Very interesting....however, couldn't he have just wanted her alive so he could get more info from her on the Rebel Alliance?

 

[Capella]

What was he supposed to tell him at first? Yes son, your dad is the most evil man in the galaxy?

He should have left off the part about "Darth Vader being his apprentice". This is later to be showed a complete lie based on Obi-wan's "point of view"; Darth Vader was never Obi-wan's apprentice, according to Obi-wan's point of view. Like I said, I have no problem with Jedi withholding information, but coming right out and saying a bold-face lie doesn't sit well with me.

What you fail to realize is that George Lucas is making this stuff up as he goes along. When E4 was made back in '77, Lucas had no idea that Vader was going to be Luke's father. That's something he came up with later. The "Certain point of view" thing was just Lucas covering a glaring plot hole. Same with Return of the Jedi, he needed another shocker on par with Empire, so he made Leia to be Luke's sister. Do you think he'd really start the series off with some hot brother/sister action? Come on.

you sound like a jilted woman here, fyi

 

[Wheelhouse]

During the battle at the first Death Star, Luke had already begun his training, thereby the force was starting to flow through him. Leia was a politician up until that point. She never knew of her latent abilities so never begun to tap into the force. No tapping, no way for Vader to fell anything.

Vader did know that Leia's last name was Organa though, correct? He may have deduced that she was Bail Organa's daughter and since the Organa's couldn't have children of their own (as mentioned in Ep3) then maybe, just maybe he put two and two together and imagined it as a possibility that Leia was born from Padme and given to the Organa's upon her death, since he knew that Padme was going to die in childbirth?! Vader/Anakin has a pretty sharp mindset of things. I wouldn't be surprised if he could've deduced that, albeit a very far-fetched possibility, but plausable, IMO.

 

[BlueOnion]

Watch ESB, at the spot where Chewie starts going berzerk in the carbon freezing chamber. Boba Fett lifts his blaster to waste her and Chewie. Vader stops him. Fett gives him a WTF look. So does Leia.

I think this was part of the trap. Vader knows he needs Leia alive to continue to bait Luke into the trap.

 

[goonsquad]

Vader does know that Leia is his daughter.  But the part of him that is still good is protecting her.

Watch ESB, at the spot where Chewie starts going berzerk in the carbon freezing chamber.  Boba Fett lifts his blaster to waste her and Chewie.  Vader stops him.  Fett gives him a WTF look.  So does Leia.

It's a little harder to reconcile this stuff since ANH was intended to be a stand alone movie.  I'm willing to give Lucas a little slack as the story was started 30 years ago.  The fact that it all fits together as nicely as it does is quite the accomplishment.

Sorry dude, but that's a total stretch. It has nothing to do with Vader protecting Leia because he knows she's his daughter. Yes, he stops Fett from wasting Leia and Chewie. But there is ZERO evidence that it was out of protecting his daughter. Don't you think it's more likely that he wanting another shot at getting information out of Leia? Or the fact that maybe he knew he needed her alive to get Luke to come and try to rescue her, thus being able to spring his carbon-freeze trap. If Leia and Chewie died, I'm sure Luke would sense it.Edit to add: Beat me to it, BlueOnion.

Edited again to add: In fact, it is made very clear in ROTJ that Vader does not know about Leia until he's fighting Luke in the Emperor's chamber, and Luke's fears betray him. Vader is talking smack while Luke is hiding and refusing to fight. Finally, it is when Vader reads Luke's mind and realizes that Luke has a sister that Luke gets pissed and comes out to fight.

 

[Wheelhouse]

OK, changing gears - do we ever know who Anakin's father is? Maybe it's Darth Maul and this all comes full circle again!?

I just found this site relating to this question.... Who is Anakin's father?

 

[porkins]

Vader does know that Leia is his daughter. But the part of him that is still good is protecting her.

Watch ESB, at the spot where Chewie starts going berzerk in the carbon freezing chamber. Boba Fett lifts his blaster to waste her and Chewie. Vader stops him. Fett gives him a WTF look. So does Leia.

It's a little harder to reconcile this stuff since ANH was intended to be a stand alone movie. I'm willing to give Lucas a little slack as the story was started 30 years ago. The fact that it all fits together as nicely as it does is quite the accomplishment.

I've alway wondered why Vader stops Fett too. Then why is he surprised to learn that Luke has a sister. A quote from memory..."......your friends on the moon. Your feeling are strong for them. Especially for....sister. So you have a twin sister. Obi-wan's failure is now complete. If you will not be turned, then perhaps she will."

 

[s_ezy]

During the battle at the first Death Star, Luke had already begun his training, thereby the force was starting to flow through him. Leia was a politician up until that point. She never knew of her latent abilities so never begun to tap into the force. No tapping, no way for Vader to fell anything.

Vader did know that Leia's last name was Organa though, correct? He may have deduced that she was Bail Organa's daughter and since the Organa's couldn't have children of their own (as mentioned in Ep3) then maybe, just maybe he put two and two together and imagined it as a possibility that Leia was born from Padme and given to the Organa's upon her death, since he knew that Padme was going to die in childbirth?! Vader/Anakin has a pretty sharp mindset of things. I wouldn't be surprised if he could've deduced that, albeit a very far-fetched possibility, but plausable, IMO.

Organa says they always wanted a daughter of there ownnothing about NOT being ABLE to, just that they wanted one

and if they couldn't reproduce on there own, why would they make this common knowledge to all in the galaxy, no way Vader would know Leia is his daughter

 

[beefcake]

I always thought it would be cool if General Grievous was like the reincarnated form of Maul...

 

[Wheelhouse]

Organa says they always wanted a daughter of there ownnothing about NOT being ABLE to, just that they wanted oneand if they couldn't reproduce on there own, why would they make this common knowledge to all in the galaxy, no way Vader would know Leia is his daughter

My misunderstanding then

 

[BlueOnion]

Before Episode III, I always surmised that when Luke cuts' off Vader's hand, he can read Vader's thoughts and realizes he has taken the same path as his father.

Here is what I believe Vader is recalling in his thoughts as Luke defeats him...

Dooku cuts off Anakin's hand in their first battle...

Anakin avenges the defeat and the lost hand and cuts off Dooku's hand(s)...

The Emporer is impressed...

Anakin could destroy Dooku...

The Emporer encourages Anakin to destory Dooku...

Anakin destroys Dooku...

Anakin replaces Dooku as Sidious apprentice...

Luke hears his father's thoughts and realizes he is on the same path as his father...

Vader cuts off Luke's hand in their first battle...

Luke avenges the defeat and the lost hand and cuts off Vader's hand (and sees that the hand was already cut off prior to the Vader suite)...

The Emorer is impressed...

Luke could destroy Vader...

The Emporer encourages Luke to destroy Vader...

The Emporer wants Luke to join Sidious has his apprentice...

Luke chooses not to...

The stories are so similar, the roles are so indentical (sith apprentice replacing sith apprentice with current sith apprentice unware of Sidious' plan)...I don't think it was an accident.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Edited again to add: In fact, it is made very clear in ROTJ that Vader does not know about Leia until he's fighting Luke in the Emperor's chamber, and Luke's fears betray him. Vader is talking smack while Luke is hiding and refusing to fight. Finally, it is when Vader reads Luke's mind and realizes that Luke has a sister that Luke gets pissed and comes out to fight.

It's not clear at all. He is just revealing to Luke for the first time that he knows about Leia. If he knew of Luke in ESB, there's no reason to fault the thinking that he also knew about Leia.

 

[BlueOnion]

It's not clear at all. He is just revealing to Luke for the first time that he knows about Leia. If he knew of Luke in ESB, there's no reason to fault the thinking that he also knew about Leia.

In episode III, Padme conveys to Anakin that they will have a baby boy. Anakin cannot see the future of this, so he asks Padme how she knows. Her reply; mother's intuition. All the information available to Anakin make it likely he anticipated one child...and it being a boy.

 

[Fantasy Ninja]

If he knew about Leia, knowing everything we know about Vader/Anakin, would he been torturing her in ANH? That doesn't work for me.

 

[BlueOnion]

I need help with something else. At the end of Episode III, Bail takes R2-D2 and C-3PO and decides to give them to Leia. So for Leia's entire life, these droids belong to her. However, in the course of a few days the droids fall into Luke's hands, to which R2-D2 suddenly becomes his droid (and possibly C-3PO). Wouldn't this create some ackward moments?

 

[beefcake]

She probably had a lot of droids.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If he knew about Leia, knowing everything we know about Vader/Anakin, would he been torturing her in ANH? That doesn't work for me.

Good point. I just find Vader's actions (and especially Leia's reaction to it) in the carbon freezing chamber very perplexing.

Maybe after learning of Luke at the end of ANH, he also somehow learns of Leia.

 

[goonsquad]

What was he supposed to tell him at first? Yes son, your dad is the most evil man in the galaxy?

He should have left off the part about "Darth Vader being his apprentice". This is later to be showed a complete lie based on Obi-wan's "point of view"; Darth Vader was never Obi-wan's apprentice, according to Obi-wan's point of view. Like I said, I have no problem with Jedi withholding information, but coming right out and saying a bold-face lie doesn't sit well with me.

What you fail to realize is that George Lucas is making this stuff up as he goes along. When E4 was made back in '77, Lucas had no idea that Vader was going to be Luke's father. That's something he came up with later. The "Certain point of view" thing was just Lucas covering a glaring plot hole. Same with Return of the Jedi, he needed another shocker on par with Empire, so he made Leia to be Luke's sister. Do you think he'd really start the series off with some hot brother/sister action? Come on.

you sound like a jilted woman here, fyi

LOL! Yeah, maybe I'm a little bit bitter. But that doesn't make my comments any less true.

 

[Crimson Hawk]

Couldn't sift through all the "stuff".

- WTF with the Jedi dying so easily? When the Mace gang comes to arrest the emperor, he (the emperor) kills 4 of the jedi in about 5 seconds. He kills two of them without them even raising their sabres? WTF? Then you have Anakin and Obi wading through armies of robots but their comrade jedis are being taken down by small squads. I realize Anakin and Obi are at the top of their game but having most of the Jedis go down to laser blasts doesn't cut it.

I'm a big fan of the other 5 but this one was dissappoining but I can't really say why.

Sidious is a Sith Master. He cut down Jedi Knights, not masters I believe. That's not a fair fight. Mace Windu, however, is said to be second only to Yoda in lightsaber mastery. I actually felt the Sith looked too weak. They never won a duel cleanly against a peer. Anakin kills Dooku. Mace beats Sidious but Anakin backstabs him. Yoda and Sidious fight to a draw. Obi-Wan beats the snot out of Anakin after he has turned and is supposedly more powerful now. That left the impression that Anakin grew WEAKER by turning.

Its possible most of the best jedi were generals and away from the temple leading battles. The temple was filled with younglings, padawans, and jedi too old to fight anymore.

I think Palpatine could have taken Windu out but doesnt as a test for Anakin. I dont think the dark side made Anakin weaker, but because of his injuries he could not achieve his full potential.

I think he was refering to Anakin fighting Obi-Wan at the end of 3, before he was injured. It appeared to me that Anakin was "weaker" after turning as well.

I didnt think Obi beat the snot out of Vader in any sense. The fight was amazing - we have to remember Obi taught Anakin almost everyting he knew - but I think the fight was dead even and that was Lucus' intention until Obi had the higher ground - a distinct advantage that Lucus pointed out through the dialouge - and that was the only reason Obi won the fight. I am still trying to see just how he sliced off three limbs that quickly though.

Anakin got his butt kicked. Obi-Wan didn't win because of a cheap shot or because of outside interference. Kenobi won that fight clean. Anakin made an enormous tactical error and Kenobi cut off his three remaining limbs for it. Kenobi was not injured at all. Then he gave him one final lecture before leaving him to burn.

PWNED!In this case:

Age and Experience > Youth and "Evil Sith Powers"

 

[goonsquad]

Edited again to add: In fact, it is made very clear in ROTJ that Vader does not know about Leia until he's fighting Luke in the Emperor's chamber, and Luke's fears betray him. Vader is talking smack while Luke is hiding and refusing to fight. Finally, it is when Vader reads Luke's mind and realizes that Luke has a sister that Luke gets pissed and comes out to fight.

It's not clear at all. He is just revealing to Luke for the first time that he knows about Leia. If he knew of Luke in ESB, there's no reason to fault the thinking that he also knew about Leia.

Not true at all. It is VERY clear that Vader did not know of Leia until the end of ROTJ. Here's the script:-----------------------

122 INT EMPEROR'S TOWER - THRONE ROOM

Vader stalks the low-ceilinged area on the level below the throne, searching for Luke in the semi-darkness, his lightsaber held ready.

VADER

You cannot hide forever, Luke.

LUKE

I will not fight you.

VADER

Give yourself to the dark side. It is the

only way you can save your friends. Yes, your

thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them

are strong. Especially for...

Vader stops and senses something. Luke shuts his eyes tightly, in anguish.

VADER

Sister! So...you have a twin sister. Your

feelings have now betrayed her, too. Obi-Wan

was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure

is complete. If you will not turn to the dark

side, then perhaps she will.

LUKE

Never-r-r!

 

[Darth Cheney]

I think that Lucas is going to change the end of Jedi to what he wanted all along... a planet of Wookies that help the Alliance blow up the Death Star. Thie is the only reason I can see for him to have that wookie scene in EIII.....

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Edited again to add: In fact, it is made very clear in ROTJ that Vader does not know about Leia until he's fighting Luke in the Emperor's chamber, and Luke's fears betray him. Vader is talking smack while Luke is hiding and refusing to fight. Finally, it is when Vader reads Luke's mind and realizes that Luke has a sister that Luke gets pissed and comes out to fight.

It's not clear at all. He is just revealing to Luke for the first time that he knows about Leia. If he knew of Luke in ESB, there's no reason to fault the thinking that he also knew about Leia.

Not true at all. It is VERY clear that Vader did not know of Leia until the end of ROTJ. Here's the script:-----------------------

122 INT EMPEROR'S TOWER - THRONE ROOM

Vader stalks the low-ceilinged area on the level below the throne, searching for Luke in the semi-darkness, his lightsaber held ready.

VADER

You cannot hide forever, Luke.

LUKE

I will not fight you.

VADER

Give yourself to the dark side. It is the

only way you can save your friends. Yes, your

thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them

are strong. Especially for...

Vader stops and senses something. Luke shuts his eyes tightly, in anguish.

VADER

Sister! So...you have a twin sister. Your

feelings have now betrayed her, too. Obi-Wan

was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure

is complete. If you will not turn to the dark

side, then perhaps she will.

LUKE

Never-r-r!

First of all, they figured out ON SET what Vader would say to rile up Luke, so quoting a script does nothing.Secondly, all Vader could be sensing here is Luke's attachment to Leia, not the existence of her.

 

[goonsquad]

First of all, they figured out ON SET what Vader would say to rile up Luke, so quoting a script does nothing.

Secondly, all Vader could be sensing here is Luke's attachment to Leia, not the existence of her.

Dude, you have got to be here. Seriously.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

First of all, they figured out ON SET what Vader would say to rile up Luke, so quoting a script does nothing.

Secondly, all Vader could be sensing here is Luke's attachment to Leia, not the existence of her.

Dude, you have got to be here. Seriously.

No. I'm not.

 

[660]

First of all, they figured out ON SET what Vader would say to rile up Luke, so quoting a script does nothing.

Secondly, all Vader could be sensing here is Luke's attachment to Leia, not the existence of her.

Dude, you have got to be here. Seriously.

No. I'm not.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

First of all, they figured out ON SET what Vader would say to rile up Luke, so quoting a script does nothing.

Secondly, all Vader could be sensing here is Luke's attachment to Leia, not the existence of her.

Dude, you have got to be here. Seriously.

No. I'm not.

 

[BlueOnion]

First of all, they figured out ON SET what Vader would say to rile up Luke, so quoting a script does nothing.

Secondly, all Vader could be sensing here is Luke's attachment to Leia, not the existence of her.

I have to say this logic is outstanding; which leads me to question whether Yoda is actually a jedi master or just pretending to be a jedi master.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

...You'd think he'd be tortured a little bit longer to bring the point home.

I chuckled after he turned evil when the emperor said "well I don't REALLY know how to do that (prevent death), but we'll figure it out together"

Anakin actually was tortured considerably more in the book (and the script), but a lot got cut out to get the movie down to 2.5 hours. It is a tough tradeup. The alternative would have been to have far fewer story lines and just progress that one story line (Anakin's inner turmoil) really slowly; like in A New Hope.

Somebody please inform Peter Jackson that it's impossible to have a rich character-driven epic with more than one story line per movie.George Lucas is a phenomenal story architect and special effects wizard, but let's just admit that he has no clue how to direct or write a great movie.

 

[BlueOnion]

Yes. It's called filmmaking.

Yes, but it would never stand up today. I watched the movie on Saturday night and I still enjoy it, but the entire movie moves at half the speed of the romance scenes in ATOC. A New Hope is #5 on my list now.

 

[Crimson Hawk]

Another question - Who steals the plans for the death star (to first be known in Ep4)? Was it Leia or did someone give them to Leia, who then put them in R2D2, in hopes that Obi Wan will find him (R2D2)?!? How did Leia know who Obi wan was? Was she told this by Senator Organa (her foster parent)?

In the opening scroll to Ep4, it says "Rebel spies managed to steal the plans..." Who are these rebel spies?

Bothan spies, I believe.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Yes. It's called filmmaking.

Yes, but it would never stand up today. I watched the movie on Saturday night and I still enjoy it, but the entire movie moves at half the speed of the romance scenes in ATOC. A New Hope is #5 on my list now.

Edited my reply.

 

[BlueOnion]

It is odd that critics want critize Lucas for lack of character development, but when he does it with Anakin and Padme in AOTC, he is killed for how slow the movie moved along.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

First of all, they figured out ON SET what Vader would say to rile up Luke, so quoting a script does nothing.

Secondly, all Vader could be sensing here is Luke's attachment to Leia, not the existence of her.

I have to say this logic is outstanding; which leads me to question whether Yoda is actually a jedi master or just pretending to be a jedi master.