Star Wars The Last Jedi Episode 8 thread: this thread sucks, you should avoid it even after you've seen the movie (1 Viewer)

[Sammy3469]

A few things. I had zero issues with the Porgs. They were cute and funny and not over done at all.

Return Of The Jedi depsite the Ewoks....and for the record as a 13 year old kid seeing that......I had zero issues with it. As you get older it get's kinda corny. But they still crack me up. One minute they were about to eat Han, Luke and Chewie like a pork roast and the enxt they were part of the tribe after C3PO told the rebel story to them. 

But The entire Han rescue piece, the Vader/Luke/Confrontation, the final battle...even the battle on Endor and the speed bikes. So much great stuff in ROTJ. And yeah they were selling toys. But they were selling toys from day one. I bought (and still have all of them in great condition BTW) or shoudl I say my parents bought me all the figures, ships, play sets etc. After Empire I stopped. But Star Wars has always been about mechandise from the moment they knew they had a franchise after the original film.

Using an unbiased eye......The original Trilogy smokes The Last Jedi on all fronts. Where as The Force Awakens and Rogue One to me are right there in the covnersation of great Star Wars films.

They made a sub par film here IMO. How anyone who adored The Force Awakens can like the story telling and complete lack of character development of Finn, Poe and to a lesser degree Rey in TLJ....puzzling. Even though I always go into these kinds of movies with little expectation and no pre-conceived notions, they really #### the bed on this one overall. I did not feel invested after feeling that way after TFA.

Just a strange direction IMO they took with the characters and the film just feels all over the place. Maybe after my second viewing I will find more to like.....but damn I was pumped and could hardly wait to see it again when I saw TFE and R1....like super wow....Star Wars kicks ### again.

Not so after this film.

I'm confused since that's what the entire movie focused on.  You may not have like the direction Rian took them, but they were definitely developed.

 

[Scoresman]

Cool, and there is the big difference in our reactions to the movie.  To me some of the space battles were great, but I didn't feel much of their struggles or believed for a second that Rey was going to turn.  Wanting to know who your parents are isn't a big enough motivator to turn to the Dark Side for me.  

Yeah I didnt think she would turn either, but for me the emotion was connected mostly to Kylo.  The whole time they were fighting the red dudes, I was wondering if he had actually just turned to the light side or if he just wanted to take over the whole operation.  Then of course we learned right after that it was the latter.  Seemed like a very effective scene to me for so many different reasons.  

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Yeah the light sabre fight vs the red dudes was cool. 

 

[Todem]

I'm confused since that's what the entire movie focused on.  You may not have like the direction Rian took them, but they were definitely developed.

Yeah that is it.....their development IMO was weak. Really weak. The pay off after TFA was weak. I guess I did expect a lot more after how much I found myself loving The Force Awakens and feeling like Star Wars was back on the right track. The Last Jedi cheapened the characters....that is the best way I can explain how I feel.

I do not feel invested in them nor caring for them as much as I did after TFA. That might be a testament to how badly this was directed by Johnson. Piss poor direction is my take. Too bad.

JJ is back for Episode 9. He can turn the ship back on course again. A far better director for this new saga as evidenced by how much better TFA is. I really think Episode 9 will be far more focused. 

Kids will be all over the film as it is cool, had awesome set pieces etc etc etc. But in the end I have to care about the heroes and villains. Even as a kid watching the original trilogy and how it has aged.....I always care about Han, Luke, Obi Wan, Vader etc. They are well developed. 

Missed opportunity The Last Jedi. Huge directorial whiff.

 

[Thunderlips]

You guys also realize that  Snoke might not be dead?  

 

[Thunderlips]

Cool, and there is the big difference in our reactions to the movie.  To me some of the space battles were great, but I didn't feel much of their struggles or believed for a second that Rey was going to turn.  Wanting to know who your parents are isn't a big enough motivator to turn to the Dark Side for me.  

I don't know if that was meant for you.  My 10 year old daughter was ready to leap onto the screen and claw it into ribbons if rey took Rens hand.  She kept whispering "Don't do it...No...."*

 

[AAABatteries]

I’d have to see it again but the dialogue is the key to the movie. The kid at the end is the key to The Force. Luke mentioned The Force as a religion... first time I’ve heard it mentioned in the movies as such. The kid at the end believed in Luke and the kid represents the future of The Force. 

Hear me out. Anakin was a slave/abandoned kid. Luke and Leia were slave/abandoned kids as well as Rey. The Last Jedi is not Luke but there will always be one Jedi in the making. Luke knows that because, Rey, I think, mentioned how Luke separated himself from the Force and in that time, he may have realized the above, to a point. 

What does this mean? The Force is something outside of the realm of understanding in the Star Wars Universe. It’s believed to be some ancient stuff but The Force is always around and chooses who will have it. Kylo wants the old to end and when we’ve seen the old end, something new popped up. Kylo doesn’t understand this... Obi-Wan did, Yoda did, Luke did, and now it may be up to Rey to find this wayward boy in some dramatic coincidence. 

The final scene is they key to the movie. 

I haven’t read any replies to this yet and I’m uncertain whether I/we will be right but I thought the same thing at the time.  It makes the casino scene a little more understandable too.

 

[NewlyRetired]

You guys also realize that  Snoke might not be dead?  

The director thinks he is dead.  Whether the next director thinks so is anyones guess 

http://collider.com/the-last-jedi-snoke-explained

 

[Sheriff Bart]

I can see it that Rey's parents are nobodies.

Nope

Spoiler

Her mother is Leia, father is Jabba,  Leia wanted an abortion since she wasn't a willing participant but the ruler of Tatooine was a hard core Catholic.

 

[AAABatteries]

It was just one kid.  The kid playing with the homemade luke toy.  As he went outside, he did not pick up the mop, just reached for it and it came to his hand. 

Yep - that’s why I thought that about the kid.

 

[Insein]

I'm confused since that's what the entire movie focused on.  You may not have like the direction Rian took them, but they were definitely developed.

Rey yes. Poe? Maybe. Finn? Seriously? The guy was a glorified extra. 

 

[NewlyRetired]

. That might be a testament to how badly this was directed by Johnson. Piss poor direction is my take. Too bad.

this must suck for you knowing he has complete control of the next trilogy.  I would be so bummed if I thought this way.

Luckily I am happily looking forward to another decade of Star Wars movies.  I am sure they will be varied in quality but it won't ruin my looking forward to them.

 

[Thunderlips]

The director thinks he is dead.  Whether the next director thinks so is anyones guess 

http://collider.com/the-last-jedi-snoke-explained

He's not needed to further the story unless the need/want a Bigger Bad to facilitate a Ren 180 swerve back to the Light Side.*

* That's if they even want that.  They keep talking that Sith/Jedi are dunzo....but the Apprentice did just kill the Master.  

 

[Insein]

You guys also realize that  Snoke might not be dead?  

This is Star Wars after all... But that would be some serious bull####. 

Although I am looking forward to Phasma's return in 9.

 

[NewlyRetired]

 They keep talking that Sith/Jedi are dunzo....but the Apprentice did just kill the Master.  

Luke's most important line was that he will not be The Last Jedi and they went out of their way to show that the Jedi texts were saved.

I don't know about the Sith, but the Jedi are hanging around I think.

 

[Thunderlips]

This is Star Wars after all... But that would be some serious bull####. 

Although I am looking forward to Phasma's return in 9.

I thought he was/still is Darth Plagieus.....

But his return isn't needed if they're having, going forward Kylo Ren as the main Bad Guy. 

 

[cockroach]

And who didn't cry when Romba stayed to mourn Nantas death from an AT-St blast in RoTJ? There was more emotion in that ewok scene than all of TLJ.

Too soon man too soon

 

[Tom Servo]

You guys also realize that  Snoke might not be dead?  

Being light-sabered in half is usually considered fatal by 100% of species in the galaxy.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

This is Star Wars after all... But that would be some serious bull####. 

Although I am looking forward to Phasma's return in 9.

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[Insein]

Being light-sabered in half is usually considered fatal by 100% of species in the galaxy.

Except Darth Maul. He lived.

 

[AAABatteries]

Still thinking about what I saw and will be going again next week so I may wait to throw my two cents in.  But I will say two things:

- was good but not great

- I always find it weird when people overreact to the SW movies - they’ve all had some weird characters and forced humor - these aren’t remakes of Citizen Kane - just enjoy them and don’t think too much 

 

[Todem]

this must suck for you knowing he has complete control of the next trilogy.  I would be so bummed if I thought this way.

Luckily I am happily looking forward to another decade of Star Wars movies.  I am sure they will be varied in quality but it won't ruin my looking forward to them.

I can't say.......maybe he does a better job on the next trilogy? Looking forward to Star Wars films never sucks. After seeing them....they usually satisfy me. This one did not. It happens. It was not terrible. I keep saying that. Not terrible, but compared to the rest, it is way down the list.

 

[Tom Servo]

Except Darth Maul. He lived.

I do not recognize movies 1-3 as canon.

:stickstongueout:

 

[Insein]

I thought he was/still is Darth Plagieus.....

But his return isn't needed if they're having, going forward Kylo Ren as the main Bad Guy. 

No he was nobody. Like Rey's parents. Just regular nobodies. Just some guy with force powers that hung out on a battle ship with a pimped out red room and lots of silk.

 

[Insein]

I do not recognize movies 1-3 as canon.

:stickstongueout:

Your bad.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I do not recognize movies 1-3 as canon.

:stickstongueout:

if it helps, in movies 1-3 there is no indication that he lived

 

[Todem]

I do not recognize movies 1-3 as canon.

:stickstongueout:

Ha ha ha ha. The story of the rise of Darth Vader.....not canon. 

You really despise those prequels LOL.

 

[Hang 10]

It's pretty baffling that they get Ford, Fisher and Hamlin back for this new trilogy and there was little to no interaction between them. Now they're all dead (some more than others) and it will never happen. What a waste. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

You guys also realize that  Snoke might not be dead?  

His body was cut in half along with his hands cut off at the wrist.  He looked pretty dead when Hux entered the room later.

 

[AAABatteries]

(My favorite Star Wars movie is a Disney production: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 1. )

This reminded me - got a nerd boner in the previews when they showed Thor asking "who are you guys" and it was Star Lord and the gang. 

 

[AcerFC]

Luke's most important line was that he will not be The Last Jedi and they went out of their way to show that the Jedi texts were saved.

I don't know about the Sith, but the Jedi are hanging around I think.

In before people accuse me of not watching. 

But can you remind me of when they showed the texts being saved. Thx

 

[NewlyRetired]

This movie broke the string "I have a bad feeling about this"

I wonder if Solo will break R2 and 3PO's streak of being in every movie..

 

[Norman Paperman]

Re: Poe and Finn

After the first viewing, I had a similar reaction to many of you - no character development, and I don't really care about either one.  And, that bothered me a little.  When I think of the original trilogy, you had Leia, Luke, and Han - and those characters were intertwined, and everyone else orbited around them.  It was easy to move the story around them, and it was easy for the audience to root for them.

In this trilogy, we have the three main characters - Rey, Poe and Finn, and 2/3 of the way through, and they barely know each other, highlighted by the awkward introduction by Poe at the end of the movie.  They try too hard to make Poe and Finn buddy-buddy, but in reality they have very few shared experiences - compared to Luke and Han.

But, while Poe and Finn did not really get the screen time in this movie - they did "grow" as characters.  Admittedly, we needed to Leia to point it out for Poe - first when she demotes him and says they had a bunch of dead heroes, but no leaders - on the failed bombing campaign; and, then in the end when she tells the rag-tag group to follow Poe - indicating he was becoming and thinking like a leader.  I assume Poe will be a primary Resistance General in the next movie (and probable love interest for Rey.

Finn was even more subtle, but if you recall he grew up in the First Order, he had no notion of "humanity" - that is what Rose taught him when she "saved" him from the cannon.

We spent a lot of movie time on Rey's (and Kylo's) development - and I think it was really good stuff, so we had to give short shrift to Poe and Finn, but there were signs of character development, and I expect both will play a bigger role in the finale.

 

[NewlyRetired]

In before people accuse me of not watching. 

But can you remind me of when they showed the texts being saved. Thx

In the Falcon at the end, some one (Finn I think) opens a drawer to get something and the books are all there.

 

[Norman Paperman]

This movie broke the string "I have a bad feeling about this"

I wonder if Solo will break R2 and 3PO's streak of being in every movie..

I realize that was mostly a Han line, but I really missed that - I kept waiting for someone to throw it out there.

Little things like that, probably mean more to the older generation than keeping the same plot lines.

 

[Mario Kart]

In before people accuse me of not watching. 

But can you remind me of when they showed the texts being saved. Thx

They showed the spines of the books in a compartment/bag on the Falcon. Someone closed/zipped up the area and that was it. 

 

[jon_mx]

In the Falcon at the end, some one (Finn I think) opens a drawer to get something and the books are all there.

Yeah, I am pretty sure it was Finn, but I forgot what he grab out of the drawer.  

 

[NewlyRetired]

Yeah, I am pretty sure it was Finn, but I forgot what he grab out of the drawer.  

I think, maybe, it was the blanket that he put on Rose that we see from Rey's POV.....?

 

[jon_mx]

I think, maybe, it was the blanket that he put on Rose that we see from Rey's POV.....?

That could have been.  I am guessing they showed Rey watching Finn interacting with Rose as a hint of jealousy although Rey was quick to move on and start a conversation. 

 

[Todem]

The real test will come this weekend when I take my son to see it. He loves Star Wars and his favorite for the record is The Empire Strikes Back.

i have not told him a word about it. He loved TFA and R1 and really loves them all except Episode 2.

If he loves TLJ then Disney did a solid.

This is afterall about creating a new generation of Star Wars fans. 

And you know for the most part they’ve done the old school fans a solid with Rogue One and The Force Awakens and the fourth coming Han Solo movie.

 

[bagger]

In before people accuse me of not watching. 

But can you remind me of when they showed the texts being saved. Thx

Rey had them in a pouch in the falcon. 

 

[need2know]

It's pretty baffling that they get Ford, Fisher and Hamlin back for this new trilogy and there was little to no interaction between them. Now they're all dead (some more than others) and it will never happen. What a waste. 

You know Luke will return in ghost form

 

[cockroach]

- I always find it weird when people overreact to the SW movies - they’ve all had some weird characters and forced humor - these aren’t remakes of Citizen Kane - just enjoy them and don’t think too much 

These movies have literally spawned a religion.  A tax exempt, legally recognized religion. 

 

[McJose]

Rey had them in a pouch in the falcon. 

Falcons aren't marsupials, dummy.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Rey yes. Poe? Maybe. Finn? Seriously? The guy was a glorified extra. 

What? He went from being only concerned about he and Rey's safety in TFA and the first part of TLJ to being willing to give his life, flying into the battering ram Independence Day style at the end. As irrelevant as it was to the rest of the movie, his journey directly caused that change in character. He fully bought into the Resistance. 

That's the definition of character development. I've expressed plenty of concerns about his storyline in this thread but I think you're just incorrect here. He doesn't leave this movie as the same character he began it as. 

 

[NewlyRetired]

Do you guys think they handle Carrie's passing by saying the Leia has died in the scroll at the beginning of 9?

Unlike the tiny time difference between the end of 7 and beginning of 8, I think they can use what ever time gap they want between 8 and 9.

 

[Todem]

Do you guys think they handle Carrie's passing by saying the Leia has died in the scroll at the beginning of 9?

Unlike the tiny time difference between the end of 7 and beginning of 8, I think they can use what ever time gap they want between 8 and 9.

Hard to say but I have a feeling they will adress it in the scroll for IX

 

[Capella]

Do you guys think they handle Carrie's passing by saying the Leia has died in the scroll at the beginning of 9?

Unlike the tiny time difference between the end of 7 and beginning of 8, I think they can use what ever time gap they want between 8 and 9.

Yea I think it's handled in the scroll, and then in the opening scene they show the funeral with a wax figure or something of her in the casket. Or closed casket. Whatever. 

 

[glvsav37]

Yea I think it's handled in the scroll, and then in the opening scene they show the funeral with a wax figure or something of her in the casket. Or closed casket. Whatever. 

you guys remember the Digital XF they did with the General and young Leia in TFA? They could have her in the entire 3rd movie if they wanted to.  But they won't (I hope) 

 

[AAABatteries]

That hyperspace into the destroyer was epic

Agree but I caught myself thinking right after it happened - why didn't she do this a few minutes ago before they killed all those people?  Still very cool scene.