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State Of The Board - 2018 (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Joe Bryant
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Yet calling all Republicans racist gets crickets in comparison is what’s perplexing Joe.
Hey its your board and I respect that, and if aligning it with your views which is your right is the goal then I’m good. If the goal is to clean things up that aren’t good then this needs attention.
Thanks. I had a long response typed out but I think it's just best to say I think you're seeing the challenges. Thanks for the feedback.
The thread post was started by Jonmx as an unfunny parody attempt. It was locked. Sinn Fein responded with one from the other side. I'm sure some people thought jonmx and sinn fein should have been suspended for it and think it's perplexing he did not.
Epic Problem
Footballguy
I don’t think this is perplexing Joe at all. You, on the other hand, seem infinitely perplexed by parody.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Iirc you posted awhile ago that Trumper, Trumpette, "orange president" etc wouldn't be tolerated anymore.
It's tolerated on most every page of every thread
Epic Problem
Footballguy
Commas are important. Without one, he said you’re the one that’s perplexed. After that, it appears that I just echoed what you said.
No. I posted we don't censor those words like we do libt - ard.
I do agree those those words don't do much but kill real discussion. There are a ton of the same. Cupcake, snowflake, plus a limitless list of zinger type puns on Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. I suppose we could develop a giant list of words people aren't allowed to say including all of those and many more. But we haven't gone there.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Wouldnt it be easier to give TOs and bannings when people use variations of those words.
Speaking that sets the tone for how any political thread will go. Nipping that in the bud would take a few weeks and people would eventually get the hint on how to have respectful political discussions or they would eventually leave.
Seems like a lot of potential winning for everyone.
Having done that might have prevented a need for the seperation of a political forum.
Speaking that sets the tone for how any political thread will go. Nipping that in the bud would take a few weeks and people would eventually get the hint on how to have respectful political discussions or they would eventually leave.
Seems like a lot of potential winning for everyone.
Having done that might have prevented a need for the seperation of a political forum.
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Captain Cranks
Footballguy
I'm still trying to understand what the issue with the who's hottest threads was: The pictures, the voting, or the comments? If, as you mentioned in your post, it was about what they devolved to in the comments, then why toss the baby out with the bath water? It's like you saw two children fighting over a toy and your solution was to throw out the toy rather than give them a chance to share. Rather than prohibit the threads, why not simply warn us that inappropriate comments will not be tolerated and put the future ability to have those threads at risk? I think we could have been trusted enough to clean up our act.
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Chemical X
Footballguy
this in itself is a fascinating thread to read. i never really understood, until now, how many whiners are at this site. complaining about bannings, name calling, perceived preferential treatment, heavy handed moderating. i have been associated with this board/site for about 20 years and have never reported a post. had a couple of bannings for jokes gone bad. i think that the longevity here has given posters the false sense of community. while many posters have IRL familiarity, most here are just a name and avatar. for the most part, i am of the opinion that this is an anonymous message board and people get online muscles when posting as such. i always felt that this community required thick skin and for the most part was self moderated. i have learned most don’t have thick skin and joe has felt the need to moderate more to this crowd. i am not thrilled with joe’s style of moderation, as i feel his beliefs differ from mine, but this is his playground, so i adjust. i do not like the “if you don’t like it find another board stance”. this reminds me of people that complain about the cost of a baseball game, ticket is $60, parking is $25, food is expensive and other people telling them “well, don’t go”. it’s not that simple, people are emotionally invested in their team. with this point, team means sports, board, political party. i still believe this board should be self moderated. we do have ignore feature, though it needs to be bolstered. if you don’t like what a poster says or believes, ignore them. if a poster is a dope, then i am all for the board ganging up on that poster and letting them know. this board should be more like a clubhouse. there will be different personalities and views. different motives and beliefs. but we have to get along for this place to succeed.
joe, i think you should step back and bring back moderators, like when shick and maxwell were here. heck, there are many level headed posters here that would be willing to help moderate so you don’t have to be dropped into the middle. as active as many are, i think they know what does and doesn’t fly. somehow i figured it out. solicit some names for forums, post a thread, take votes and let the board decide who can mod.
this board can and has done many good deeds. i have faith that if we try hard enough we can all be civil. american society is moving away from civility, if anyone has noticed. it’s easy to be a bully. it’s time we all take responsibility for our actions, understand that there are other points of view out there, you don’t have to agree with another poster, but you certainly can respect their opinion. rather than being a chode, maybe walk away?
joe, i think you should step back and bring back moderators, like when shick and maxwell were here. heck, there are many level headed posters here that would be willing to help moderate so you don’t have to be dropped into the middle. as active as many are, i think they know what does and doesn’t fly. somehow i figured it out. solicit some names for forums, post a thread, take votes and let the board decide who can mod.
this board can and has done many good deeds. i have faith that if we try hard enough we can all be civil. american society is moving away from civility, if anyone has noticed. it’s easy to be a bully. it’s time we all take responsibility for our actions, understand that there are other points of view out there, you don’t have to agree with another poster, but you certainly can respect their opinion. rather than being a chode, maybe walk away?
GoBirds
Footballguy
Joe,
thansk for your feedback, while I don’t agree it’s moderated fairly I do appreciate and respect your perspective as it’s the one that matters. If things are under review hopefully this gets consideration and maybe to get another perspective may be worth discussing with Dodds or someone with just a separate view from the masses in there. Appreciate what your offer here.
Thanks @Chemical X I hear you. My worry with more mods is it's just like it went with Shick. Because there's so much of what you describe, it eventually breaks you down. Shick was already almost done before he had guy from here try to contact his work and get him in trouble. Incredibly uncool. We'll keep working on it though thanks.
Thank you.Joe,
thansk for your feedback, while I don’t agree it’s moderated fairly I do appreciate and respect your perspective as it’s the one that matters. If things are under review hopefully this gets consideration and maybe to get another perspective may be worth discussing with Dodds or someone with just a separate view from the masses in there. Appreciate what your offer here.
Thanks @comfortably numb It's possible that could work. I'm just hesitant to do more suspending as it seems the consensus is we're already too heavy handed. But that may be the only answer. It's a giant gray area though as to what's ok. Orange is totally out? Size of hands gets a suspension? It's that kind of thing. Let me look at it some more.
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Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Okay, I haven't chimed in--so I am feeling left out here. As a member of this community since the Cheatsheet days, I feel like I know some of the FFA guys better than my IRL friends. In the past when other boards went to pay to post, I was here and bought my FBG subscription because I felt that somehow my $$ helped keep these forums free, even though I don't use a tenth of the features my subscription provides.
I didn't take part in the whose hottest threads--heck, two weeks ago I stumbled in one and asked if we were judging from left to right or right to left
. so I don't care if they are gone. Additionally, moving the PSF was the best decision ever made.
Where I am going to totally go in a different direction is I want absolute heavy handed moderation in the FFA in current event threads. This place was where I spent 911, the OJ trial verdict, the Vegas Shooting, etc and in the past, this is where we got the newest updates on these events. Lately, it seems we cannot have any discussion on anything going on without someone turning it into their side's agenda and then boom, the thread is immediately sent to the PSF. I come here for info because a lot of the time we have people there in the city where it is happening and they have insight we can't get from the MSM. I want mods in those threads axing those posts/posters the minute it starts to go off the rails and the thread kept in the FFA. We really need to get back to this.
Thank you Joe and all the FBG staff for this great place.
I didn't take part in the whose hottest threads--heck, two weeks ago I stumbled in one and asked if we were judging from left to right or right to left
. so I don't care if they are gone. Additionally, moving the PSF was the best decision ever made. Where I am going to totally go in a different direction is I want absolute heavy handed moderation in the FFA in current event threads. This place was where I spent 911, the OJ trial verdict, the Vegas Shooting, etc and in the past, this is where we got the newest updates on these events. Lately, it seems we cannot have any discussion on anything going on without someone turning it into their side's agenda and then boom, the thread is immediately sent to the PSF. I come here for info because a lot of the time we have people there in the city where it is happening and they have insight we can't get from the MSM. I want mods in those threads axing those posts/posters the minute it starts to go off the rails and the thread kept in the FFA. We really need to get back to this.
Thank you Joe and all the FBG staff for this great place.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
We were told to not use those as well as nicknames for Kaepernick after Squistion got triggered. The guy complaining about Drumpf yesterday is using Orange Doofus today.
bentley
Footballguy
If I underatand the situation correctly, this is how you’re killing the FFA in a nutshell. PG content gets posted, someone makes a joke that several other forum members like, and the post gets killed. Which runs even the mildly interesting off. It’s not just about that one post, it’s about the whole approach.
Maybe just create a separate forum where PG13 type stuff is allowed?
Obviously, things like nudity, curses, etc. wouldn't be allowed but nicknames, who's hottest polls, etc. would be.
I would guess that over 90% of the people reading the FFA are 21 or over. They can handle the internet in a PG13 manner.
Obviously, things like nudity, curses, etc. wouldn't be allowed but nicknames, who's hottest polls, etc. would be.
I would guess that over 90% of the people reading the FFA are 21 or over. They can handle the internet in a PG13 manner.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
When my kids are squabbling, non-stop, with each other, I let them try and work it out themselves. When the arguments go out of bounds or when I get pulled into it by one of them yelling "Daaaaad, so and so said this" or "He called me this", then I get involved. At first, I tell them to work it out themselves, and warn them about what's appropriate and not. If that doesn't work, I go to the nuclear option.
This entire thread reminds of of my kids squabbling. If you all want less moderation- police yourselves. Lift the level of your interpersonal skills to appropriate levels and stop running to Daddy Joe. If you keep pulling on dad's sleeve while he is busy trying to do something else, you're not going to get vindication. You're going to get the nuclear option.
FTR, I'm not a fan of getting rid of Who's Hottest. But, it's a matter of preference. You can disagree respectfully and make an argument without whining.
And, Joe, I think you can help us police ourselves if you get more specific about what plays and what doesn't. Your post in the Cheating thread reminded me of the quote on pornography: "I know it when I see it." That only encourages people to push up to the boundaries of what's permissible.
This entire thread reminds of of my kids squabbling. If you all want less moderation- police yourselves. Lift the level of your interpersonal skills to appropriate levels and stop running to Daddy Joe. If you keep pulling on dad's sleeve while he is busy trying to do something else, you're not going to get vindication. You're going to get the nuclear option.
FTR, I'm not a fan of getting rid of Who's Hottest. But, it's a matter of preference. You can disagree respectfully and make an argument without whining.
And, Joe, I think you can help us police ourselves if you get more specific about what plays and what doesn't. Your post in the Cheating thread reminded me of the quote on pornography: "I know it when I see it." That only encourages people to push up to the boundaries of what's permissible.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
You keep confusing liberalism with conservatism with regard to the thumb-on-scale moderation.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
I have no idea if I'd be the slightest bit interested in this sort of forum or even read it, but it sounds like a far better idea than asking a community of adults who have been together for 20-odd years (I've been here/Old Yeller for about 16 or 17 I think) to suddenly conform their discourse to some ill-defined, apparently kid-friendly standard. I suspect, as I've noted before, that something is happening behind the scenes to motivate these changes. Perhaps FanDuel demanded them, which if so, is ironic in the extreme. We're clearly not going to find out and nothing is going to change, but it's remarkable how many posters are coming up with far better ideas to fix a problem that most didn't know existed in the first place.
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
I don’t think the nicknames for public figures should warrant a timeout, but when you start targeting groups of people or specific posters with stuff like Libs, Trumpers, Red Hats, etc you should be warned to stop. Do it again and it’s a TO.
We have to self police to a certain extent as well. Posters shouldn’t be attacked for their views; when we see it we should probably report it. I’ll give an example...
Helltoupe was called out about his belief of the “bus loads of illegal voters” thing in NH last year. I think he was rightfully called to back it up with facts. However, blood got in the water and folks started to pile on about him “personally” running an investigation. Sure it can be funny, but when guys do it months later (hell I saw it a couple of days ago), it’s a bit sophomorish to me. What kind of community are we building with that kind of stuff?
@Joe Bryant this is also my response to your question on what to do about it. I think if there’s anywhere that needs the heavy handed mods, it’s the PSF. I venture in there to read the news and get the takes from some extremely smart folks in there. I’ve learned a ton, probably too much, about all sorts of stuff. However, the price you pay to get that info is “high”. Page after page of bickering and needling. You can actually get a good read on when real news breaks vs. when it’s quiet just by scrolling through and seeing when guys are bickering or not.
GoBirds
Footballguy
....from the guy that photoshopped the Russian ushanka (or whatever it's called) on a pic of the President as his avatar.
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I think you're circling an interesting dilemma here. This isnt to whine at all, but I do think it is too heavy handed. I voted as such when you made a poll. Getting suspended for calling Trump a moron or the things in your posts seems pretty crazy to me. It is your board and your choice, of course. You've created a great place in spite of these disagreements.
However, having standards different than what most wants means that you are going to have to be hands on to enforce this line consistently and often. Or find others who will for you. It will be interesting to see how you deal with that cost. The volunteer mod idea for the PSF is intriguing. I do think SaintsinDome and Tim most closely resemble your ideal posting style there. We all need to try and follow their examples it seems.
Just thinking out loud after reading some of your replies to others where I feel that dilemma.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
I agree to a point but there is some good stuff in the political forum. A lot of those guys do some heavy lifting on the daily question of WTF that we are dealing with. And they do it without spin. Well researched and diverse sources. There is the usual party loyal nonsense. But it’s an education over there almost every day.facook said:
I can't claim to Photoshop nearly that well....from the guy that photoshopped the Russian ushanka (or whatever it's called) on a pic of the President as his avatar.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Let's be honest, as true as that statement is, even though it's not being "Excellent", no one will ever get suspended for it. Now calling Hillary a moron? That'll get you a TO
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
facook
Footballguy
This is an excellent point. I miss those threads too. I feel like the last couple threads that were mainstream and stayed manageable were the Malaysian airliner and the Boston bombing. I checked into those threads hourly, and the last several hours of chasing Tsarnaev I stayed in the Boston thread constantly. Vegas Shooting I think did ok but eventually devolved into the gun control stuff. Again, there are just a few people who can't control themselves and have to crap up any thread with back and forth political trolling and it all devolves. It's a shame.Okay, I haven't chimed in--so I am feeling left out here. As a member of this community since the Cheatsheet days, I feel like I know some of the FFA guys better than my IRL friends. In the past when other boards went to pay to post, I was here and bought my FBG subscription because I felt that somehow my $$ helped keep these forums free, even though I don't use a tenth of the features my subscription provides.
I didn't take part in the whose hottest threads--heck, two weeks ago I stumbled in one and asked if we were judging from left to right or right to left
Where I am going to totally go in a different direction is I want absolute heavy handed moderation in the FFA in current event threads. This place was where I spent 911, the OJ trial verdict, the Vegas Shooting, etc and in the past, this is where we got the newest updates on these events. Lately, it seems we cannot have any discussion on anything going on without someone turning it into their side's agenda and then boom, the thread is immediately sent to the PSF. I come here for info because a lot of the time we have people there in the city where it is happening and they have insight we can't get from the MSM. I want mods in those threads axing those posts/posters the minute it starts to go off the rails and the thread kept in the FFA. We really need to get back to this.
Thank you Joe and all the FBG staff for this great place.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
I don't disagree, but my only reason for mentioning is that drawing a line like that or in the other examples is going to take a lot of enforcenent. When it is done inconsistently (you can call x person something but cant call y person the same) it could breed resentment or lead to the claims that there is bias against different sides. My point is that it is going to take a lot of work.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Pretty much agree 100%. Calling someone a moron (unless it's a personal attack on a member here) I think is pretty tame and shouldn't be cause for a TO.
need2know
Footballguy
That yoga pants thread was money. I cant beleive anyone would want it gone. Sad. If someone doesn't want to go in there, don't click on it.
There were way too many whos hottest threads. Could have just told them to cut it back instead of destroy ing threads which resulted in a bunch of guys leaving.
There were way too many whos hottest threads. Could have just told them to cut it back instead of destroy ing threads which resulted in a bunch of guys leaving.
dgreen
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
That is what i meant. Once you start with that you're not having a respectable open minded discussion.
Heck, i would be fine with having politics back in the FFA if it was moderated stricter and you have a Trump thread and a Hillary thread or Dem and Rep thread and people can have at it in there.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I just wanted to say I'm newish and I like it here. Not complaining or anything but I don't really feel like a part of the community yet but that'll come in time as I post more and you guys get to know me better.
