Status on Delhomme's elbow... (1 Viewer)

[AllVolUT]

Any Carolina homers out there know any info about his injured throwing arm? I know he injured it earlier in the drive, and seemed to be in some serious pain.

I'm worried about Smitty's status w/o his connect from Delhomme. In the three games last year w/o Jake, Smith had 10 catches for 123 yds, 0 tds (albeit, it was Weinke and not Carr).

Any info is much appreciated.

 

[Penguin]

Any Carolina homers out there know any info about his injured throwing arm? I know he injured it earlier in the drive, and seemed to be in some serious pain.I'm worried about Smitty's status w/o his connect from Delhomme. In the three games last year w/o Jake, Smith had 10 catches for 123 yds, 0 tds (albeit, it was Weinke and not Carr). Any info is much appreciated.

Not a homer but I was listening to the Monday night game on the radio. At halftime the went through all of the injuries that happened yesterday and they said the Panthers believe Delhomme's injury is not serious, just thought I'd throw that out there.ETA: I was listening to NFL Field Pass, I believe it was the Saints broadcast (not sure as I was listening to both of them at one time or another tonight.)

 

[AllVolUT]

Well maybe that'll help me sleep a little better out there. I appreciate the input.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

ESPNews just said he's day to day.

Surgery not needed.

 

[[scooter]]

John Clayton is predicting that Delhomme will sit 1-2 weeks. With the BYE week coming up they may end up sitting him for a month.

 

[AllVolUT]

Wow - thats news that I feared. Fox has got to find a way to get Smitty the ball on Sunday.

 

[mektarus]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

 

[AllVolUT]

Definately downgrades Smitty for a couple of weeks. I can see Fox and his conservative ways pounding it on the ground against TB...I can see it now: 1 & 10: run...2 & 8: run...3 & 7: - SACK!

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

 

[AllVolUT]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

I hope you're right. If this does in fact upgrade Smitty, would we have a QBBC upon Delhomme's return?? I guess that obviously depends on results, but just a theory question.

 

[PahtyTom]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

Highly unlikely that Carr can help Smith produce better numbers than Delhomme. Smith's PPG numbers with Delhomme as the QB are historic. The question isn't really whether or not Smith's numbers will decrease, but by how much. Could be by a little, could be by a lot. There's really no way to know right now.

 

[mcjc4]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

Highly unlikely that Carr can help Smith produce better numbers than Delhomme. Smith's PPG numbers with Delhomme as the QB are historic. The question isn't really whether or not Smith's numbers will decrease, but by how much. Could be by a little, could be by a lot. There's really no way to know right now.

I agree. Jake was having a sick season through 3 weeks. 8TD's? Maybe a 9th if he doesn't go out. I find it hard to believe Smith's numbers increasing with Carr. The positive maybe Carr relying on Smith and not spreading the ball around. But, i have to believe Smith will suffer alittle.

 

[kensat30]

I'm now considering trading Steve Smith. If Carr starts for any considerable amount of time Smithy takes a huge downgrade.

Just look at how Andre Johnson flourished in the year 1 AC (After Carr).

 

[anguskahn]

I'm now considering trading Steve Smith. If Carr starts for any considerable amount of time Smithy takes a huge downgrade.Just look at how Andre Johnson flourished in the year 1 AC (After Carr).

Andre Johnson did lrad the NFL last year in catches. its not like he just got good with Schaub coming in.

 

[(HULK)]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

When you drop back and get sacked, that doesn't count as an attempt.Personally, I think Smith's yards stay the same, but Carr rountinely kills drives by holding onto the ball too long, getting sacked, and putting the team in a tough spot on 3rd downs.Look @ Andre Johnson. He is a large WR, one who, if you just looked at him, you would think is a good redzone WR because of his size. However, with Carr tossing the pill, Johnson never put up big TD numbers. My theory is that Carr is a drive killer, and that they didn't see the redzone all that often. Now, with Schuab down there, AJ has 3 TDs in 2 games played. Its too soon to be of any statistical signifigance, but my belief is that is due to Schuab's ability to avoid the sack.So, my personal belief is that Smith will be okay yardage wise (and reception wise if you're in a PPR)... but his TDs will lag without Delhomme in the lineup. Their opponents will be prepped for David Carr, and even my grandma knows that to beat David Carr you put him on his back all day.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Personally, I think Smith's yards stay the same, but Carr rountinely kills drives by holding onto the ball too long, getting sacked, and putting the team in a tough spot on 3rd downs.

Winner. Carr can't sustain drives.As to Carr leading the league last year in comp. percentage, what was his YPA? Seems to me that it wasn't very robust. Lows 6's. Lot of dump offs to Daniels, backs had like 70 catches between them, AJ's YPC was 11 or so, etc. He looked short a lot....or was creamed.Now, that's a completely different offense/OL than the flavor in Carolina, but the fact remains that Carr isn't Delhomme. Old habits die hard. Just a thought: The beneficiary of Carr for 2 weeks, if you could really call it that, may be Jeff King as Carr sticks to his dumpin' ways/the coaches ask him to "not lose" games instead of gunning it downfield.

 

[coolnerd]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

and was one of lowest in Ypc and ypa...He completes a ton of short passes and does not hit his targets in position to get extra yards after the catch. Carr does tease with a good quarter or two in most games, but even when he is getting time, does not make enough plays down the field especially for his so-called raw talent.

 

[Tom Baker]

Last year Smith had 118 total yards and 0 TDs in three games without Delhomme. Safe to say that Carr is an upgrade over Weinke, but Weinke did have a 400 yard passing day in there. When Delhomme came back in Week 17, Smith had 85 and 2 TDs.

 

[Steelnation]

Does anyone have a status update on Delhomme?

I have Ben and Jake, but moved Jake to IR and picked up Stuffedpepper.

Ben will be my starter this week but if Jake is a last minute decision to play and I have 3 QB's on my roster......I am screwed with an "illegal" roster and forfeit the game.

 

[thaas]

Delhomne + Smith = Fantasy Stud

??????? +Smith = Fantasy ?????

 

[H.K.]

Does anyone have a status update on Delhomme?I have Ben and Jake, but moved Jake to IR and picked up Stuffedpepper.Ben will be my starter this week but if Jake is a last minute decision to play and I have 3 QB's on my roster......I am screwed with an "illegal" roster and forfeit the game.

IR Jake, he won't go this week.

 

[coachjim]

Does anyone have a status update on Delhomme?I have Ben and Jake, but moved Jake to IR and picked up Stuffedpepper.Ben will be my starter this week but if Jake is a last minute decision to play and I have 3 QB's on my roster......I am screwed with an "illegal" roster and forfeit the game.

IR Jake, he won't go this week.

LINK. Where are you getting your information from?

 

[Keys Myaths]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

Hi Jeff,Quarterbacks with better completion percentages, by definition, usually spread the ball around more. Basically, the complete opposite of what Delhomme does.So, a higher completion percentage most likely means a downgrade for SS.Love,Keys

 

[NatronIsMean]

My thought on Carr is downgrade to Smith. It seemed to me last year when Delhomme was out that his replacement was looking for Smith to get "open". Delhomme knows that you throw to Smith and let him fight for the ball, out jump, his man, etc. Just TRUST him.

My fear - partly based on following the game when Carr was in - is that he will go to the other receivers more often seeing that coverage is rolling to Smith. Coverage ALWAYS rolls to Smith, and Carr simply needs to learn quickly that you throw to him anyway.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

Hi Jeff,Quarterbacks with better completion percentages, by definition, usually spread the ball around more. Basically, the complete opposite of what Delhomme does.So, a higher completion percentage most likely means a downgrade for SS.Love,Keys

Didn't Andre Johnson have 103 catches last year with Carr as his qb?

 

[Keys Myaths]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

Hi Jeff,Quarterbacks with better completion percentages, by definition, usually spread the ball around more. Basically, the complete opposite of what Delhomme does.So, a higher completion percentage most likely means a downgrade for SS.Love,Keys

Didn't Andre Johnson have 103 catches last year with Carr as his qb?

Yep. Had more targets than Steve, too.They're two different types of receivers, though. AJ is fine with running the 15 yard route. Smith is either running the screen pass or going downfield. That's reflected in the huge disparity in YPC.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

Hi Jeff,Quarterbacks with better completion percentages, by definition, usually spread the ball around more. Basically, the complete opposite of what Delhomme does.So, a higher completion percentage most likely means a downgrade for SS.Love,Keys

Didn't Andre Johnson have 103 catches last year with Carr as his qb?

Yep. Had more targets than Steve, too.They're two different types of receivers, though. AJ is fine with running the 15 yard route. Smith is either running the screen pass or going downfield. That's reflected in the huge disparity in YPC.

Obviously they're different receivers, but it seems clear that Carr was a qb that locked onto one guy in Houston..which seems to contradict your earlier comments above about his high completion % translating into spreading the ball around. While different in body types and abilities, defenses game planned to shut down AJ as he was the ONLY real option in the pass game (very similar to Smith)...and yet AJ still caught over 100 balls with Carr at the controls. I'm not saying Smith will benefit from Carr, but I'm not expecting a big dropoff for Smith owners.

 

[Keys Myaths]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

Hi Jeff,Quarterbacks with better completion percentages, by definition, usually spread the ball around more. Basically, the complete opposite of what Delhomme does.So, a higher completion percentage most likely means a downgrade for SS.Love,Keys

Didn't Andre Johnson have 103 catches last year with Carr as his qb?

Yep. Had more targets than Steve, too.They're two different types of receivers, though. AJ is fine with running the 15 yard route. Smith is either running the screen pass or going downfield. That's reflected in the huge disparity in YPC.

Obviously they're different receivers, but it seems clear that Carr was a qb that locked onto one guy in Houston..

And I'm saying short routes are a lot different than heaving the ball downfield on deep routes. It's easy to throw to a guy 1500 times when he's running 9 yard curls. The completion percentage shows that Carr isn't the downfield thrower that Jake is (or else, Carr is Peyton Manning, Jr, and we didn't know it).

 

[TheBradyBunch]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

Hi Jeff,Quarterbacks with better completion percentages, by definition, usually spread the ball around more. Basically, the complete opposite of what Delhomme does.So, a higher completion percentage most likely means a downgrade for SS.Love,Keys

Didn't Andre Johnson have 103 catches last year with Carr as his qb?

Yep. Had more targets than Steve, too.They're two different types of receivers, though. AJ is fine with running the 15 yard route. Smith is either running the screen pass or going downfield. That's reflected in the huge disparity in YPC.

Obviously they're different receivers, but it seems clear that Carr was a qb that locked onto one guy in Houston..

And I'm saying short routes are a lot different than heaving the ball downfield on deep routes. It's easy to throw to a guy 1500 times when he's running 9 yard curls. The completion percentage shows that Carr isn't the downfield thrower that Jake is (or else, Carr is Peyton Manning, Jr, and we didn't know it).

You said that a high completion percentage by definition means that a qb spreads the ball around more (going to different receivers). Obviously that's not the case with Carr from his days in Houston. Even if Carr is only a short yardage threat, who is a bigger threat to turn a short pass into a big play...Smith or Andre Johnson? Smith by a longshot.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Even if Carr is only a short yardage threat, who is a bigger threat to turn a short pass into a big play...Smith or Andre Johnson? Smith by a longshot.

I disagree with this. Yes, Smith made an amazing play two weeks ago. However, AJ is just as capable, if not moreso, for making a move and going the distance. Most of Smith's long TDs come when he burns some poor CB.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

Even if Carr is only a short yardage threat, who is a bigger threat to turn a short pass into a big play...Smith or Andre Johnson? Smith by a longshot.

I disagree with this. Yes, Smith made an amazing play two weeks ago. However, AJ is just as capable, if not moreso, for making a move and going the distance. Most of Smith's long TDs come when he burns some poor CB.

It's hardly a knock on AJ, but Smith may be the most dangerous player in the NFL with the ball in his hands in the open field. All Carr would have to do to be successful is get Smith the ball.

 

[coolnerd]

So what does this do to Smith's production?

Up.Carr was the #1 QB last year in completion percentage (over 68%).

Hi Jeff,Quarterbacks with better completion percentages, by definition, usually spread the ball around more. Basically, the complete opposite of what Delhomme does.So, a higher completion percentage most likely means a downgrade for SS.Love,Keys

Didn't Andre Johnson have 103 catches last year with Carr as his qb?

Yep. Had more targets than Steve, too.They're two different types of receivers, though. AJ is fine with running the 15 yard route. Smith is either running the screen pass or going downfield. That's reflected in the huge disparity in YPC.

Obviously they're different receivers, but it seems clear that Carr was a qb that locked onto one guy in Houston..

And I'm saying short routes are a lot different than heaving the ball downfield on deep routes. It's easy to throw to a guy 1500 times when he's running 9 yard curls. The completion percentage shows that Carr isn't the downfield thrower that Jake is (or else, Carr is Peyton Manning, Jr, and we didn't know it).

Carr was a short thrower and locked on heavily to Andre Johnson. This is the reason why Houston's passing game was largely ineffective (beside much discussed sack issue). Johnson's yard per catch was around 11.0 last which is low for a guy of his size/speed make-up.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Smith definetly takes a hit without Delhomme. They have great chemistry and we have no idea what Carr will do in this offense.

 

[red]

Smith definetly takes a hit without Delhomme. They have great chemistry and we have no idea what Carr will do in this offense.

what about foster. we're all assuming car will run more, but wouldn't the defense expect that too. i'm predicting the whole offense downgrades, but i'm curious to what others think about foster specifically with delhomme out

 

[Deuce'sWild]

So hard to predict this stuff until we see him play. Everyone is simply guessing what will happen here. But, I think Foster may get a slight up tick since they may try to control the ball more.

I'm not sure though, they may not change the offense much at all with Carr in.

Does anyone actually know anything about Delhomme's status? I can't find much.

Edit...

From KFFL.

Panthers | Delhomme has strained elbow

Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:27:13 -0700

Carolina Panthers head coach John Fox, during a press conference Monday, Sept. 24, said Carolina Panthers QB Jake Delhomme (elbow) has a strained elbow and is day-to-day. Delhomme is not expected to have surgery and is not ruled out for Week 4.

 

[Steelnation]

Does anyone have a status update on Delhomme?I have Ben and Jake, but moved Jake to IR and picked up Stuffedpepper.Ben will be my starter this week but if Jake is a last minute decision to play and I have 3 QB's on my roster......I am screwed with an "illegal" roster and forfeit the game.

IR Jake, he won't go this week.

 

[patrickmcgroin]

Posted on Wed, Sep. 26, 2007

Panthers sign QB Porter to practice squad

STAN OLSON

solson@charlotteobserver.com

In the wake of starting quarterback Jake Delhomme's elbow injury Sunday, the Carolina Panthers have signed another quarterback, adding Quinton Porter to the practice squad.

Porter, who played collegiately at Boston College, was on Houston's practice squad for part of last season.

Should Delhomme not be able to play this Sunday against Tampa Bay, David Carr would start, and his backup would be Matt Moore. Porter's signing gives them three healthy quarterbacks in that event.

To make room for Porter, the Panthers released running back Alex Haynes

 

[kensat30]

I'm now considering trading Steve Smith. If Carr starts for any considerable amount of time Smithy takes a huge downgrade.Just look at how Andre Johnson flourished in the year 1 AC (After Carr).

Andre Johnson did lrad the NFL last year in catches. its not like he just got good with Schaub coming in.

Andre Johnson also led the league in catches with 6 yards of the LOS...I can't believe there are still Carr apologists out there. The guy has had a job for 5 years based on "potential" and reputation. The guy was a freaking FA pickup this offseason. A FREE AGENT PICKUP! The guy flat out SUCKS. HE takes sacks like no other. His feet are so happy, you'd think they just got laid or something. Steve Smith can only do so much on screen passes. That's a very high percentage pass BTW.Downfield passes are low percentage passes. Wanna know why Carr had a high completion percentage? Add 2 + 2 together and find out. Or just watch a game.PS - If Carr starts, bump up Foster's catch totals.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I can't believe there are still Carr apologists out there. The guy has had a job for 5 years based on "potential" and reputation. The guy was a freaking FA pickup this offseason. A FREE AGENT PICKUP!

Wait. Are you saying that all free agents suck?

 

[laughinboy_2000]

Some of you are acting like Chris Weinke is still backing up Delhomme. There were a lot of people who thought Carr could beat out Jake at the beginning of the year. Carr will do a decent job filling in for Delhomme, and from a HOMER perspective, they need to sit Jake at least two weeks for his elbow to heal. As for Smittee, I don't see him not putting up stats with Carr in there. It anything, he is going to be mad about his one catch performance last week and come out and have his usual Steve Smith type game against the Bucs.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Should Delhomme not be able to play this Sunday against Tampa Bay, David Carr would start, and his backup would be Matt Moore. Porter's signing gives them three healthy quarterbacks in that event.

Matt Moore is an undrafted rookie out of Oregon State. He spent the summer with the Cowboys but was waived during pre-season. He has zero pro game experience aside from appearing in part of 1 preseason game.

If Carr and Delhomme both go down, the Panthers are in deep, deep trouble.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

I would try to move Smitty for another solid WR right now if I could. His value will never be higher, and with Carr at QB it will plummet.

Also, Delhomme's stained elbow could become a nagging injury all season if it doesn't heal up right. Strains tend to linger....hammies for WRs, elbows for QBs.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

If the Panthers signed another QB I think the injury is more serious than they are leading on, perhaps.

 

[texasbirdfan]

You should be more worried about who matches up with Smith at corner like last week before psycho D. Hall freaked out he SHUT DOWN Smith didn't have as much to do with who was chucking it

 

[Wreckincrew]

Some of you are acting like Chris Weinke is still backing up Delhomme. There were a lot of people who thought Carr could beat out Jake at the beginning of the year. Carr will do a decent job filling in for Delhomme, and from a HOMER perspective, they need to sit Jake at least two weeks for his elbow to heal. As for Smittee, I don't see him not putting up stats with Carr in there. It anything, he is going to be mad about his one catch performance last week and come out and have his usual Steve Smith type game against the Bucs.

How in the world could you possibly know the severity of his injury and how long it will take to heal?Talk to the Doctor about his MRI results?

Talk to the Panthers trainer?

Talk to a psychic?

As for the people who thought Carr would beat out Jake.........

 

[Donnybrook]

Should Delhomme not be able to play this Sunday against Tampa Bay, David Carr would start, and his backup would be Matt Moore. Porter's signing gives them three healthy quarterbacks in that event.

Matt Moore is an undrafted rookie out of Oregon State. He spent the summer with the Cowboys but was waived during after pre-season. He has zero pro game experience aside from appearing in part of 1 preseason game.

If Carr and Delhomme both go down, the Panthers are in deep, deep trouble.

Moore looked really sharp in pre-season and he was waived so that he could have been put on the Cowboys practice squad. He was claimed off waviers exactly like Tyler Thigpen was with KC. One of the players that is on my dynasty radar whereas David Carr is not.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Delhomme doesn't practice; Fox mum on starter

 

[H.K.]

Panthers | Delhomme misses practice Thursday

Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:41:45 -0700

Carolina Panthers QB Jake Delhomme (elbow) did not practice Thursday, Sept. 27. With each day Delhomme misses practice, it becomes more likely backup QB David Carr will start Week 4.

from kffl.com