Stellers vs Eagles preseason thread (1 Viewer)

[GroveDiesel]

I thought Cullen Jenkins was supposed to be the fix for the run game? Everyone knows Andy Reid hates linebackers, so I seriously doubt they try too hard to upgrade there.

Is Mike Patterson back to playing? I would think the run defense is going to be all on Patterson and Jenkins without much help from the LBs.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

@EdBouchette: Tomlin just said both tackles have hyperextended knees and should b ok. #steelers

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I thought Cullen Jenkins was supposed to be the fix for the run game? Everyone knows Andy Reid hates linebackers, so I seriously doubt they try too hard to upgrade there.Is Mike Patterson back to playing? I would think the run defense is going to be all on Patterson and Jenkins without much help from the LBs.

Jenkins looked good early (but did draw a flag on a sack). Patterson not back yet.

 

[sdurity]

I liked what I saw from Cotchery - not for fantasy stats, but for the Steelers success. I think he will make big 3rd down conversions during the season.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

It's only preseason guys, remember that. Everyone wants their team to look good but preseason means very little. Before you retort back and say but....., remember that the Detroit Lions went 4-0 during the preseason and then went 0-16 during the regular season. That should tell you all you need to know about preseason. All you want to do in preseason games is get some reps for your starters, keep them healthy and try and figure out the backups on the team.

The Eagles have flaws just like anyone but they'll be just fine and in the thick of the playoff race.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Preseason record might not matter, but you want to see your guys winning individual matchups.

And the Eagles were getting manhandled in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Even looking past all the turnovers, that's a very bad thing.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Philly wasn't my pick to win the SB, not even the NFC East, but I'm not foolish enough to think Philly isn't still a good team based off this performance.

 

[Federal]

3 picks for Vick. Maybe he'll learn to keep his mouth shut. Karma is a tough oneIs this the same D Grossman tore up last week?

That's like 21 interceptions in dog years.@korkedbats

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Preseason record might not matter, but you want to see your guys winning individual matchups.And the Eagles were getting manhandled in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Even looking past all the turnovers, that's a very bad thing.

after looking like #### last week, the Steelers had something to prove. I wouldn't look to deep into this. The Steelers came in to play regular season football, the Eagles didn't. Nothing to see here beyond that, I think.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

It's preseason ball. Don't freak out

Lots of overreacting going on in this thread.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

i watched the fantasy football draft special on espn and the one guy was saying to take vick #1 overall and you'd win the championship. made me laugh hard at the time, and even harder now. thats the problem with vick, sure he can get you 40 pts, but what about those games where you get 5. if your qb only gets 5 pts, you lose that week. and you never know when you will get that clunker from vick, but you know you will get a few of them every season.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

i watched the fantasy football draft special on espn and the one guy was saying to take vick #1 overall and you'd win the championship. made me laugh hard at the time, and even harder now. thats the problem with vick, sure he can get you 40 pts, but what about those games where you get 5. if your qb only gets 5 pts, you lose that week. and you never know when you will get that clunker from vick, but you know you will get a few of them every season.

He had one game last year with less than 20 fantasy points.

 

[LawFitz]

i watched the fantasy football draft special on espn and the one guy was saying to take vick #1 overall and you'd win the championship. made me laugh hard at the time, and even harder now. thats the problem with vick, sure he can get you 40 pts, but what about those games where you get 5. if your qb only gets 5 pts, you lose that week. and you never know when you will get that clunker from vick, but you know you will get a few of them every season.

WK OPP YDS TD I/F PTS1 GB 175 1 0 / 0 23.3

2 @Det 284 2 0 / 2 26.9

3 @Jac 291 3 0 / 0 38.6

4 Wsh 49 0 0 / 0 3.5

5 @SF 0 0 0 / 0 0

6 Atl 0 0 0 / 0 0

7 @Ten 0 0 0 / 0 0

8 BYE - - - -

9 Ind 218 1 0 / 0 28

10 @Wsh 333 4 0 / 0 57.2

11 NYG 258 0 0 / 2 19.6

12 @Chi 333 2 1 / 4 27.6

13 Hou 302 2 1 / 1 32.8

14 @Dal 270 2 2 / 0 26.4

15 @NYG 242 3 1 / 0 44.6

16 Min 263 1 1 / 2 22.7

17 Dal 0 0 0 / 0 0

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[Sabertooth]

Dream Team

 

[Sabertooth]

i watched the fantasy football draft special on espn and the one guy was saying to take vick #1 overall and you'd win the championship. made me laugh hard at the time, and even harder now. thats the problem with vick, sure he can get you 40 pts, but what about those games where you get 5. if your qb only gets 5 pts, you lose that week. and you never know when you will get that clunker from vick, but you know you will get a few of them every season.

WK OPP YDS TD I/F PTS1 GB 175 1 0 / 0 23.3

2 @Det 284 2 0 / 2 26.9

3 @Jac 291 3 0 / 0 38.6

4 Wsh 49 0 0 / 0 3.5

5 @SF 0 0 0 / 0 0

6 Atl 0 0 0 / 0 0

7 @Ten 0 0 0 / 0 0

8 BYE - - - -

9 Ind 218 1 0 / 0 28

10 @Wsh 333 4 0 / 0 57.2

11 NYG 258 0 0 / 2 19.6

12 @Chi 333 2 1 / 4 27.6

13 Hou 302 2 1 / 1 32.8

14 @Dal 270 2 2 / 0 26.4

15 @NYG 242 3 1 / 0 44.6

16 Min 263 1 1 / 2 22.7

17 Dal 0 0 0 / 0 0

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Almost a third of the games are under 5. You kind of prove his point.

 

[Godsbrother]

@EdBouchette: Tomlin just said both tackles have hyperextended knees and should b ok. #steelers

Thank my brother!

 

[CentralPA]

I know it is preseason, but one last time.... the Eagles should have traded Vick, not Kolb.

Vick actually has had a worse preseason game, last year was 1-5 with 0.0 passer rating. One preseason game does not make a career

 

[Godsbrother]

I know it is preseason, but one last time.... the Eagles should have traded Vick, not Kolb.

Vick actually has had a worse preseason game, last year was 1-5 with 0.0 passer rating. One preseason game does not make a career

It is a preseason game. Too many people here are overreacting.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I know it is preseason, but one last time.... the Eagles should have traded Vick, not Kolb.

Vick actually has had a worse preseason game, last year was 1-5 with 0.0 passer rating. One preseason game does not make a career

It is a preseason game. Too many people here are overreacting.

If you are in dynasty leagues or redrafts that have already drafted, this is a great time to buy low.

 

[Class Dismissed]

i watched the fantasy football draft special on espn and the one guy was saying to take vick #1 overall and you'd win the championship. made me laugh hard at the time, and even harder now. thats the problem with vick, sure he can get you 40 pts, but what about those games where you get 5. if your qb only gets 5 pts, you lose that week. and you never know when you will get that clunker from vick, but you know you will get a few of them every season.

OPP YDS TD I/F PTS1 GB 175 1 0 / 0 23.3

2 @Det 284 2 0 / 2 26.9

3 @Jac 291 3 0 / 0 38.6

4 Wsh 49 0 0 / 0 3.5

5 @SF 0 0 0 / 0 0

6 Atl 0 0 0 / 0 0

7 @Ten 0 0 0 / 0 0

8 BYE - - - -

9 Ind 218 1 0 / 0 28

10 @Wsh 333 4 0 / 0 57.2

11 NYG 258 0 0 / 2 19.6

12 @Chi 333 2 1 / 4 27.6

13 Hou 302 2 1 / 1 32.8

14 @Dal 270 2 2 / 0 26.4

15 @NYG 242 3 1 / 0 44.6

16 Min 263 1 1 / 2 22.7

17 Dal 0 0 0 / 0 0

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Almost a third of the games are under 5. You kind of prove his point.

If you count the bye week it's even more than that. Good catch.

 

[Banger]

Vick was amazing last week with no wr's ...upgrade....Vick has a horrible game qtr vs. the best def in the league....downgrade.

there are certain players where the preseason needs to be discounted...this is one of them.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

i watched the fantasy football draft special on espn and the one guy was saying to take vick #1 overall and you'd win the championship. made me laugh hard at the time, and even harder now. thats the problem with vick, sure he can get you 40 pts, but what about those games where you get 5. if your qb only gets 5 pts, you lose that week. and you never know when you will get that clunker from vick, but you know you will get a few of them every season.

OPP YDS TD I/F PTS1 GB 175 1 0 / 0 23.3

2 @Det 284 2 0 / 2 26.9

3 @Jac 291 3 0 / 0 38.6

4 Wsh 49 0 0 / 0 3.5

5 @SF 0 0 0 / 0 0

6 Atl 0 0 0 / 0 0

7 @Ten 0 0 0 / 0 0

8 BYE - - - -

9 Ind 218 1 0 / 0 28

10 @Wsh 333 4 0 / 0 57.2

11 NYG 258 0 0 / 2 19.6

12 @Chi 333 2 1 / 4 27.6

13 Hou 302 2 1 / 1 32.8

14 @Dal 270 2 2 / 0 26.4

15 @NYG 242 3 1 / 0 44.6

16 Min 263 1 1 / 2 22.7

17 Dal 0 0 0 / 0 0

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Almost a third of the games are under 5. You kind of prove his point.

If you count the bye week it's even more than that. Good catch.

So Vick missed 3 full games. It's not like a Vick owner would take a zero in all of those weeks. A Vick owner also has a QB2 that can play. Regardless of whether it is Kolb or someone else, the Vick owner will get points when Vick doesn't play. Kolb had about 60 points in the 3 games that Vick did not play. If you use the average QB2, you would get about 15 or so points per game on average. Considering the ridiculous number of points Vick put up, I will gladly take the chance and draft him even knowing he could miss 3-4 games. Just have a quality QB2 or perhaps Vince Young. Using last year's scoring, if the Vick owners had either Kolb or a respectable QB2, they would have dominated every other fantasy team's QB scoring. People keep acting like the zeros that Vick got are zeros for the QB spot and they ignore the QB that will start those games.

I think it's worth the risk. I know some disagree, but you can't keep saying how often Vick had zero points because the QB position did not have a zero in your lineup.

 

[pecorino]

one point about Vick: this game confirmed (forasmuch as a preseason game can) that the Eagles defense is indeed susceptible to the run and that this will shorten the game and keep him off the field. a downgrade for this reason seems more rational than a downgrade based on a couple bad throws.

 

[Dancing Bear]

We have to consider splitting this discussion into a few different areas. Consider :

1) Fantasy Points

2) Fantasy Value

3) Winning for the Eagles

To address 1) first, Vick scored a high number of Fantasy Points in the 13 games he played in 2010; only one of which was under 20 and this was the game in which he was injured in ... His ~30 ppg puts him at QB#1 for 2010!

But can he sustain anything like this? I personally doubt it, and I believe he regresses down into the low 20's. Defenses will contain him in 2011 and I don't see him scoring more than 4 or 5 rushing TD's. Let's remember that he played only 2 Top Defenses all year [GBY twice and Chicago].

Now to 2) above. When you can draft Brady, Brees, P. Manning, Rivers, Romo and Rodgers as comparable QB's. You have to balance how much Vick costs you to draft him. He's going to require a 1st Round pick. Aside from Rodgers these others are going in the 2nd and 3rd Rounds. I don't see his value with a pick in the 1st Round [Rodgers either], on top of the injury risk ...

Now to 3) above. Vick is 3 W, 3 L in his last 6 starts, and dangerously close to being 2 W, 4 L if not for the magical special teams play of DeSean Jackson. In those 6 starts his QB rating was only over 100 once ... He threw an INT in each of these games ... in fact he threw all of his INT's in the last 6 games with 0 INT's in his first 7 starts.

I'm not saying he has no value to Fantasy Owners; it depends absolutely on what he costs you. Certainly it was pre-season last night, but Vick's performance last night was atrocious for a veteran, professional QB. I do have real concern though as the body of evidence is pointing in the wrong direction for Eagles fans.

 

[CaptainCrunch]

i watched the fantasy football draft special on espn and the one guy was saying to take vick #1 overall and you'd win the championship. made me laugh hard at the time, and even harder now. thats the problem with vick, sure he can get you 40 pts, but what about those games where you get 5. if your qb only gets 5 pts, you lose that week. and you never know when you will get that clunker from vick, but you know you will get a few of them every season.

OPP YDS TD I/F PTS1 GB 175 1 0 / 0 23.3

2 @Det 284 2 0 / 2 26.9

3 @Jac 291 3 0 / 0 38.6

4 Wsh 49 0 0 / 0 3.5

5 @SF 0 0 0 / 0 0

6 Atl 0 0 0 / 0 0

7 @Ten 0 0 0 / 0 0

8 BYE - - - -

9 Ind 218 1 0 / 0 28

10 @Wsh 333 4 0 / 0 57.2

11 NYG 258 0 0 / 2 19.6

12 @Chi 333 2 1 / 4 27.6

13 Hou 302 2 1 / 1 32.8

14 @Dal 270 2 2 / 0 26.4

15 @NYG 242 3 1 / 0 44.6

16 Min 263 1 1 / 2 22.7

17 Dal 0 0 0 / 0 0

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Almost a third of the games are under 5. You kind of prove his point.

If you count the bye week it's even more than that. Good catch.

So Vick missed 3 full games. It's not like a Vick owner would take a zero in all of those weeks. A Vick owner also has a QB2 that can play. Regardless of whether it is Kolb or someone else, the Vick owner will get points when Vick doesn't play. Kolb had about 60 points in the 3 games that Vick did not play. If you use the average QB2, you would get about 15 or so points per game on average. Considering the ridiculous number of points Vick put up, I will gladly take the chance and draft him even knowing he could miss 3-4 games. Just have a quality QB2 or perhaps Vince Young. Using last year's scoring, if the Vick owners had either Kolb or a respectable QB2, they would have dominated every other fantasy team's QB scoring. People keep acting like the zeros that Vick got are zeros for the QB spot and they ignore the QB that will start those games.

I think it's worth the risk. I know some disagree, but you can't keep saying how often Vick had zero points because the QB position did not have a zero in your lineup.

The Eagles went on the road against another AFC North team in Cincinnati. They got worked 22-9 and Vick looked awful throwing two picks in one quarter of play. We saw how last season played out so am not too concerned about one bad pre-season outing.

These things happen in preseason and people should not over react good or bad. While it is great to see things clicking on all cylinders, I consider it a win when you leave a pre-season game without any significant injuries.

 

[Andrew Garda]

Honestly? I think if you were unconvinced on an early Vick Pick © it probably made you feel better and if you did it but were uncertain about it, it made you feel worse.

But really? it was one preseason game and it's too easy to read too much into it. It does highlight the issues with the offensive line and the LBs, the second of which is relevant because teams can grind the clock with the run.

But if you were taking Vick early you'd probably still do so, and if you weren't (I';d be one of these) you might only feel more resolve.