Stephen Hill (WR) - CAR (2 Viewers)

[TLEF316]

I haven't paid much attention ti hill for the last month...what's his deal? hands still made of stone?

They're not throwing him the ball

He had a TD called back against NE 2 weeks ago for a push off, but right now, he's just not part of the offense. A guy his size should be able to give them something in the middle of the field. He doesn't.

The fact he's not producing even though Holmes is out is a big red flag. At this point Hill is not a factor on anything other than deep balls

If the Jets manage to get a bigger, better middle of the field guy (either at WR or TE) for next year, things could open up for him. But as of now, you're basically at the mercy of whether he catches a 45 yard TD pass.

Dropped him this week.

 

[NYJ]

I dropped him in a couple of leagues this week (re-draft) and still hold him in another (dynasty). This year, he is Kenny Stills in a far worse offense. He has potential for 50+ yard TD's but had one called back vs Pats and has beaten his defender by 2-3 yards on several occasions where the ball wasn't delivered (he burned Polamalu by 5 yards in Week 6 and was overthrown).

Hold onto him for Dynasty because as soon as this offense (read QB play) becomes consistent, so too will Hill. He needs to start high pointing the ball and getting rid of those alligator arms though.

 

[NYJ]

Stephen Hill has played against the Bills twice in his 2 years in the league. In Week 1 of his rookie season, he had 5 receptions for 89 yards and 2 TD's. In Week 3 of this season, he had 3 receptions for 108 yards and 1 TD. 33% of his career yards and 75% of his career TD's have came against the Buffalo Bills.

I'm starting him this week (admittedly, over Rod Streater and Dexter McCluster due to bye week blues).

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Jets are considering benching Stephen Hill.
"We've been expecting bigger things for Stephen," coach Rex Ryan said Monday. "Quite honestly, it hasn't happened." Hill has been held without a catch in back-to-back games, and has only 10 grabs for 107 yards since Week 4. He's a boom-or-bust player who hasn't gone "boom" in two months. With Jeremy Kerley (elbow) sidelined indefinitely, David Nelson would be the leading candidate to replace Hill opposite Santonio Holmes. Greg Salas could also continue to be mixed in more on offense. Hill can be safely dropped in re-draft leagues, though he remains worth a hold in Dynasty formats.

Source: Manish Mehta on Twitter

 

[cstu]

“(Hill’s production) certainly hasn’t been where we thought it would be and where we hoped it would be,” Rex Ryan said Monday. “I know that the young man is nicked up a little bit. He’s trying. He’s doing all of that. I know the want-to is there; it’s just that the production hasn’t been there for whatever reason. ... It’s frustrating to him and to all of us who expected bigger things from Stephen and quite honestly it just hasn’t happened.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-insider-down-hill-receiver-article-1.1521488#ixzz2l4NNL2uJ

 

[Alluro]

In dynasty, is he a buy, sell, or hold? Does anyone still believe he will ever reach his massive potential?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think after last week and Ryan's comments the choice is to hold or drop. Pretty sure no one's buying today.

 

[Max Power]

I'd buy for the right price. He isn't a natural football player and is more suited to be a team's #2 WR. But Holmes is likely gone next season. Geno should improve, which will lead to more passing attempts a game. He will have all the opportunity he could hope for next season. Seems like a good investment if owners have soured.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Stephen Hill will remain part of the Jets' receiver rotation despite losing his starting job to David Nelson.
"[WRs coach Sanjay Lal was] just straight up with me," said Hill. "That some things are going to be cut down. But I’m still going to get enough reps." Highly inconsistent, Hill has gone catch-less in two straight games. He was targeted seven times in Week 11 and didn't secure any of them. The Jets' receiver rotation currently involves Nelson, Hill, Santonio Holmes, and slot man Greg Salas. They also use a rotation at tight end.

Source: ESPN New York

 

[Abspara]

In dynasty, is he a buy, sell, or hold? Does anyone still believe he will ever reach his massive potential?

That probably depends on how deep your bench is. I'd rather use the spot for someone who may some more immediate upside. Like a Marquise Goodwin or Justin Hunter

 

[NREC34]

He never seemed to be the same after getting knocked out of the Tennessee game.

 

[Raider Nation]

The Jets took him two spots before the Bears took Alshon Jeffery. Ouch.

PFT:

Even before 2012 second-round pick Stephen Hill played in a regular-season game for the Jets, it appeared that coach Rex Ryan wasn’t thrilled to have Hill around. Now, Hill could be moving closer to not being around.

‘Well, nothing told me he would [contribute],” Ryan told SI.com before the 2012 regular season. “Nothing. When I saw the tape [of his collegiate play] I was concerned. But [Jets G.M.] Mike Tannenbaum and [senior personnel executive] Terry [bradway] and all our scouts were adamant about this guy. They were adamant that this guy can do it. He can run all these routes, he had good hands and he’s got 4.2 speed at 6-foot-5. He was the guy they all wanted, but honestly, when it came down to it, a wideout? Not my dream pick. But now that we have him, of course, I want to claim him: ‘Oh, that was my pick.’ But it really wasn’t.”

Ryan later said he didn’t intend to diss Hill. On Wednesday, Ryan apparently did.

“I’ve been disappointed,” Ryan told reporters regarding Hill’s inability to take the next step in his development. “There’s no doubt because we all see the potential that this young man has. He’s got the size, the speed, he’s tough enough [and] he has courage. Whether it was through something, maybe physically or whatever, maybe he hadn’t been 100 percent for whatever reason, but we’ll see. We’ll look at him. By now I think we’re all expecting, Jet fans are all expecting him to take the next step and for whatever reason it hadn’t been there yet. [it] doesn’t mean we’re giving up on the young man, but we want to see it.”

Hill has only 23 catches for 340 yards and one touchdown in 2013. Last year, he finished with 21 catches for 252 yards and three scores.

The Jets want to see more soon, or Jets fans eventually will be seeing less of Hill.

 

[Raider Nation]

This guy just cannot play. Hands of stone. Cut your losses and let someone else get some playing time.

lol , you can't be serious. This kid is a good wr with a serious upside. Just needs a quality qb and another season to season his game. It's not a surprise you are a raiders fan. You have no idea what talent looks like. Lol

 

[Eminence]

I'm starting to think this guy is going to be quite the project, I sold him in Dynasty.

A lump of coal in all of your stockings.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Jets OC Marty Mornhinweg expects Stephen Hill to play his "usual amount of snaps" in Week 12 against the Ravens.
Coach Rex Ryan called Hill out publicly this week, threatening to bench him for David Nelson. Jets beat writer Rich Cimini isn't totally buying it, suggesting Ryan's words were a motivational tactic, and Rex and Marty are pulling "the 'ol good cop-bad cop routine." Beyond perhaps Santonio Holmes, Jets receivers are best left avoided in Week 12 fantasy lineup decisions.

Source: ESPN New York

 

[FUBAR]

Hill needs to improve. But he can if he works hard. I bought him recently for his potential.

 

[cstu]

Hill needs to improve. But he can if he works hard. I bought him recently for his potential.

I'm waiting to see what he can do with an entire offseason with Geno.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Stephen Hill played on just 26-of-57 snaps (45.6 percent) in Sunday's loss at Baltimore.

The Jets followed through on their threat to reduce an ineffective Hill's playing time. He was held without a catch for the third straight game.


Source: Brian Costello on Twitter

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

When asked about Stephen Hill's reduced Week 12 playing time, coach Rex Ryan said, "We're trying to play the best players."

Ryan normally stands behind his players at all costs, even at the expense of logic. But he's completely turned on Hill of late, discussing the benching even before it happened and consistently calling out the second-year wideout in the media. Hill played behind David Nelson in Week 12, going without a catch for the third straight game.


Source: New York Daily News

 

[valhallan]

Not good when a guy cut by the Bills and Browns comes in off the street and takes your job.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Stephen Hill (knee) is listed as questionable for Week 14.

He's been battling knee problems since entering the league as a second-round pick under ex-GM Mike Tannenbaum. Hill is a fantasy football non-factor.


Source: Rich Cimini on Twitter

 

[jacobo_moses]

In my 16 team Dynasty start up I'm in the middle of, and Andre Holmes just went before Stephen Hill did. My how his value has fallen like crazy. I might buy just to see if he can get his crap together. Georgia Tech has a good track record of finding great WR's. (Megatron and Demaryius) AND NO guys I'm not saying Hill has that upside or is like them. I'm just saying it seems crazy that he would go from a guy with some upside but who is raw to not worth a plug nickel. I just dont' get it.

 

[RBM]

You're doing a draft now?

 

[Fariq]

In my 16 team Dynasty start up I'm in the middle of, and Andre Holmes just went before Stephen Hill did. My how his value has fallen like crazy. I might buy just to see if he can get his crap together. Georgia Tech has a good track record of finding great WR's. (Megatron and Demaryius) AND NO guys I'm not saying Hill has that upside or is like them. I'm just saying it seems crazy that he would go from a guy with some upside but who is raw to not worth a plug nickel. I just dont' get it.

Hill has horrible hands. Of all the Jets pass receivers I have seen in 30 years, I would say only Kyle Brady and Clyde Gates had hands that could be compared to Hill in the slop department. Even when Hill does catch a pass, you hold your breath hoping he gets tackled or runs out of bounds while still in control of the ball.

 

[jacobo_moses]

You're doing a draft now?

Yeah Dynasty startup for next year

 

[Sweet Love]

I am holding out hope he can at least turn into what the Jets had with Braylon and Plax as his ceiling (55-600-8) type numbers, but I even think that may be a stretch. I was wondering whether his issues were due to QB play, but when you see guys like Gordon or Shorts go off with mediocre QB play, the whole "a QB makes the WR" argument begins to lose its steam.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

In my 16 team Dynasty start up I'm in the middle of, and Andre Holmes just went before Stephen Hill did. My how his value has fallen like crazy. I might buy just to see if he can get his crap together. Georgia Tech has a good track record of finding great WR's. (Megatron and Demaryius) AND NO guys I'm not saying Hill has that upside or is like them. I'm just saying it seems crazy that he would go from a guy with some upside but who is raw to not worth a plug nickel. I just dont' get it.

Hill has horrible hands. Of all the Jets pass receivers I have seen in 30 years, I would say only Kyle Brady and Clyde Gates had hands that could be compared to Hill in the slop department. Even when Hill does catch a pass, you hold your breath hoping he gets tackled or runs out of bounds while still in control of the ball.

I think I'm going to trademark the term "DHB-itis" for this condition. I can't tell you how many times, in how many leagues, over how many years, I took fliers on Heyward-Bey because he had all the tools necessary to be a difference-making WR in the NFL. Except, you know, actually being able to catch a football.

I drafted Hill in two of my three leagues this year, Same rationale. Same results.

I've always thought, and still think, the WR4-5 positions are the perfect place to take shots on high-risk, high-upside guys, but I'm starting to wonder if guys who plain can't catch the ball really have the "upside" that I'm ascribing to them in the first place.

 

[Sweet Love]

In my 16 team Dynasty start up I'm in the middle of, and Andre Holmes just went before Stephen Hill did. My how his value has fallen like crazy. I might buy just to see if he can get his crap together. Georgia Tech has a good track record of finding great WR's. (Megatron and Demaryius) AND NO guys I'm not saying Hill has that upside or is like them. I'm just saying it seems crazy that he would go from a guy with some upside but who is raw to not worth a plug nickel. I just dont' get it.

Hill has horrible hands. Of all the Jets pass receivers I have seen in 30 years, I would say only Kyle Brady and Clyde Gates had hands that could be compared to Hill in the slop department. Even when Hill does catch a pass, you hold your breath hoping he gets tackled or runs out of bounds while still in control of the ball.

I think I'm going to trademark the term "DHB-itis" for this condition. I can't tell you how many times, in how many leagues, over how many years, I took fliers on Heyward-Bey because he had all the tools necessary to be a difference-making WR in the NFL. Except, you know, actually being able to catch a football.

I drafted Hill in two of my three leagues this year, Same rationale. Same results.

I've always thought, and still think, the WR4-5 positions are the perfect place to take shots on high-risk, high-upside guys, but I'm starting to wonder if guys who plain can't catch the ball really have the "upside" that I'm ascribing to them in the first place.

That's a really good comparison. I am holding out hope for the kid, but I think he is bordering on losing his chance in NY.

 

[Faust]

Stephen Hill placed on New York Jets' injured reserve

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What a disappointment.

 

[MCguidance]

What a disappointment bust.

Want to know why the Jets suck? They traded up for Stephen Hill when Alshon Jeffery went two picks later.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York expects Stephen Hill's "scholarship" days to be over with the Jets.

Hill, the 43rd overall pick in the 2012 draft, has been a massive disappointment. He's going to have to earn his roster spot this summer. GM John Idzik didn't draft Hill, so his place on the roster is no longer a guarantee. Obviously quarterback issues haven't helped Hill, but he's been extremely injury- and mistake-prone as a pro. The Jets need to overhaul their receiving corps.


Source: ESPN New York

 

[Sweet Love]

While I normally do not feel as though getting a couple of FA WRs is the best move (one at most usually suffices), I would have no qualms if the Jets cut Holmes and Hill and kept Kerley and Nelson as 3s and 4s and signed two guys to act as the 1 and 2 for 2014 while they use a 1st or 2nd on a WR to groom.

They are in an interesting predicament, because Smith is not the type of QB to develop a WR, yet he won't develop himself without a competent starting WR.

 

[BuckeyeChaos]

I don't have a lot invested in Hill. I took a flier last year based on his "potential". I'm still holding out hope he can be serviceable.

 

[Hedgehog]

Hill has been a complete bust - time for a fresh start at WR for the Jets.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Would like to see him land on another team with a strong QB, see what he can do.

 

[IHEARTFF]

what a disaster so far

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Jets coach Rex Ryan believes Stephen Hill's development was "hindered" in 2013.

It's unclear what Ryan believes "hindered" Hill, but it's likely just his way of saying Hill stunk. Ryan's comments come one day after the New York Daily News reported the Jets were "skeptical" Hill could become a "reliable piece of the puzzle." Hill needs to show major signs of progress this summer to ensure his place on the 53-man roster.


Source: Manish Mehta on Twitter

 

[bostonfred]

Updates to Stepfan Taylor, Stephen Hill and Steven Jackson in a span of about five minutes... are you posting these alphabetically by first name or something?

 

[cstu]

Jets described as near the end of their rope with Stephen Hill

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 20, 2014, 7:39 AM EST

New York Giants v New York Jets Getty Images

Two years ago, Stephen Hill turned in a sensational performance at the Scouting Combine, showing great natural athleticism and establishing himself as a high draft pick, despite catching just 49 passes in his entire college career.

The Jets ended up taking Hill with their second-round pick that year, but two years later, he hasn’t shown an ability to translate his great athleticism into being a great football player. Or even a good football player.

In his first two seasons, Hill has just 45 catches for 594 yards and four touchdowns, and the Jets may have decided that he’s simply never going to be the player they want him to be. Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports that the Jets’ brain trust is skeptical of Hill’s ability to become a reliable player, and the Jets are near the end of their rope with Hill.

Jets G.M. John Idzik wasn’t with the team when the Jets drafted Hill, and it’s entirely possible that Idzik never thought much of Hill in the first place. If so, it would be easy for Idzik to decide to move on — just as soon as the Jets some better receivers, which is one of Idzik’s top offseason priorities.

If Hill never amounts to much of anything in New York, he’ll be one of those picks that makes Jets fans look back in disgust. Especially considering that the next receiver picked after Hill, two spots later, was Alshon Jeffery.

 

[Faust]

Twitter mailbag: Trade up for cornerback?

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@Director_RickyT

@RichCimini Do you think it mean the Jets have given up on Hill if they were to draft a WR in the top 2 rounds? #jetsmail


@RichCimini: No, it wouldn't mean they're giving up on Stephen Hill, but their patience is wearing thin. Let's put it another way: I don't think they're counting on him to be a No. 1 or No. 2 receiver, not after two disappointing seasons. Look, it's not entirely Hill's fault (he was rushed into the lineup as a rookie and got hurt both years), but his body of work isn't to the point where they can say, "You're our guy, we still believe in you." I fully expect them to draft a receiver in the first two rounds and another at some point after that. You know what John Idzik always says: Competition, competition, competition.

 

[Fariq]

Updates to Stepfan Taylor, Stephen Hill and Steven Jackson in a span of about five minutes... are you posting these alphabetically by first name or something?

Yes. It is an update bot.

 

[Eminence]

I like Stephen Hill. I don't think he's been helped by his Quarterback play and I certainly don't think he's ready to be a #1 Receiver in the NFL. If you had Drew Brees slugging him the ball, you could get away with it but not with Geno Smith.

The guy is definitely athletic and I've seen him beat Patrick Peterson on a number of routes before so he's not helpless. The guy would definitely benefit if the Jets had another threat in the receiving game. I honestly would love to see what Stephen Hill would do trying to mimick James Jones over in Green Bay. If the Jets eventually cut ties with him, I fully expect him to latch on to another team.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I like Stephen Hill. I don't think he's been helped by his Quarterback play and I certainly don't think he's ready to be a #1 Receiver in the NFL. If you had Drew Brees slugging him the ball, you could get away with it but not with Geno Smith.

The guy is definitely athletic and I've seen him beat Patrick Peterson on a number of routes before so he's not helpless. The guy would definitely benefit if the Jets had another threat in the receiving game. I honestly would love to see what Stephen Hill would do trying to mimick James Jones over in Green Bay. If the Jets eventually cut ties with him, I fully expect him to latch on to another team.

I'd take a cheap cheap cheap gamble. Just maybe you're right about his QB situation.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I like Stephen Hill. I don't think he's been helped by his Quarterback play and I certainly don't think he's ready to be a #1 Receiver in the NFL. If you had Drew Brees slugging him the ball, you could get away with it but not with Geno Smith.

The guy is definitely athletic and I've seen him beat Patrick Peterson on a number of routes before so he's not helpless. The guy would definitely benefit if the Jets had another threat in the receiving game. I honestly would love to see what Stephen Hill would do trying to mimick James Jones over in Green Bay. If the Jets eventually cut ties with him, I fully expect him to latch on to another team.

I'd take a cheap cheap cheap gamble. Just maybe you're right about his QB situation.

Agreed. Just bought him for a 2015 third (lowest possible valued trade piece in this league).I think he makes some strides with improved QB play and Decker to take the top corners off him. Great chance now to buy at rock bottom. He is now in his 3rd year, after 2 seasons in which he got injured, but showed in flashes. Get him. It's worth the gamble over drafting say the 15th best rookie WR (or 30th best overall)...

 

[cstu]

I like Stephen Hill. I don't think he's been helped by his Quarterback play and I certainly don't think he's ready to be a #1 Receiver in the NFL. If you had Drew Brees slugging him the ball, you could get away with it but not with Geno Smith.

The guy is definitely athletic and I've seen him beat Patrick Peterson on a number of routes before so he's not helpless. The guy would definitely benefit if the Jets had another threat in the receiving game. I honestly would love to see what Stephen Hill would do trying to mimick James Jones over in Green Bay. If the Jets eventually cut ties with him, I fully expect him to latch on to another team.

I'd take a cheap cheap cheap gamble. Just maybe you're right about his QB situation.

Agreed. Just bought him for a 2015 third (lowest possible valued trade piece in this league).I think he makes some strides with improved QB play and Decker to take the top corners off him. Great chance now to buy at rock bottom. He is now in his 3rd year, after 2 seasons in which he got injured, but showed in flashes. Get him. It's worth the gamble over drafting say the 15th best rookie WR (or 30th best overall)...

Considering people think Kelvin Benjamin is a 1st round rookie pick and Stephen Hill is younger than him then a 3rd round rookie pick is cheap.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I like Stephen Hill. I don't think he's been helped by his Quarterback play and I certainly don't think he's ready to be a #1 Receiver in the NFL. If you had Drew Brees slugging him the ball, you could get away with it but not with Geno Smith.

The guy is definitely athletic and I've seen him beat Patrick Peterson on a number of routes before so he's not helpless. The guy would definitely benefit if the Jets had another threat in the receiving game. I honestly would love to see what Stephen Hill would do trying to mimick James Jones over in Green Bay. If the Jets eventually cut ties with him, I fully expect him to latch on to another team.

I'd take a cheap cheap cheap gamble. Just maybe you're right about his QB situation.

Agreed. Just bought him for a 2015 third (lowest possible valued trade piece in this league).I think he makes some strides with improved QB play and Decker to take the top corners off him. Great chance now to buy at rock bottom. He is now in his 3rd year, after 2 seasons in which he got injured, but showed in flashes. Get him. It's worth the gamble over drafting say the 15th best rookie WR (or 30th best overall)...

Considering people think Kelvin Benjamin is a 1st round rookie pick and Stephen Hill is younger than him then a 3rd round rookie pick is cheap.

Lol...Ehhh I was thinking more like I'd pick him up if he's dropped and burn a roster spot.

 

[cstu]

The Jets took back to back WR's - Jalen Saunders and Shaq Evans.

Hill is done, folks - at least with the Jets.

 

[werdnoynek]

The Jets took back to back WR's - Jalen Saunders and Shaq Evans.

Hill is done, folks - at least with the Jets.

I'm not sure either of those guys are replacing Hill tho... They're both shorter WR's and not your prototypical X or spit end receiver like Hill is.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It would be good to see Hill get a shot somewhere else.