Until he starts to show his age Marvin Harrison no question, consistent, durable and Peyton manning.
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Until he starts to show his age Marvin Harrison no question, consistent, durable and Peyton manning.First I just dont get it when people say he has only had ONE good season...
200 catches 3000yrds and 20+ TDs for 2 consecutive seasons...
now smiths numbers are for his last 32 games
Smith 214/3008/24
do you think MOSS did it? NOPE
how about TO? NOPE
maybe Joe Horn? NOPE
what about #85? NOPE
i could only find 2 active players(maybe someone else can chime in on retired guys)
MARVIN HARRISON(and he did it twice)
99/00 217/3076/26
01/02 252/3264/26
TORY HOLT
03/04 211/3068/22
now I have to go back and read this entire thread
I posted this info last yr on 4/14/2006decided to dig a bit deeper to see how many WRs i could find that had combined for overI never discounted him because of injury. I based my argument on numbers. End.Switz, you're funny. Are you wearing a fin on your head?The guy is a fantasy difference maker. Period. I love it when people discount a player's production because of an injury.
200 catches 3000yrds and 20+ TDs for 2 consecutive seasons...
now smiths numbers are for his last 32 games
Smith 214/3008/24
do you think MOSS did it? NOPE
how about TO? NOPE
maybe Joe Horn? NOPE
what about #85? NOPE
i could only find 2 active players(maybe someone else can chime in on retired guys)
MARVIN HARRISON(and he did it twice)
99/00 217/3076/26
01/02 252/3264/26
TORY HOLT
03/04 211/3068/22
now I have to go back and read this entire thread
NYGus
Footballguy
Go back to the drawing board. 2002 he had 18TD's and 23INT's. Those are#1 QB numbers?? Sorry, I'm new.
duaneok66
Footballguy
Gus, they are talking FF not NFL . . .in 2002 Culpepper had his carerr high in rushing yards (603) and rushing TDs (10) . . .Go back to the drawing board. 2002 he had 18TD's and 23INT's. Those are#1 QB numbers?? Sorry, I'm new.Culpepper was the #1 QB in 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2004. Pretty bad example.Year Value Pos. Rank Overall Rank--------------------------------------------------1999 0 73 5012000 153 1 32001 0 15 862002 97 1 132003 60 1 252004 166 1 12005 0 33 5372006 0 42 545-------------------------------------------------- 476
switz
Footballguy
LOL!!! You argue against 2002... but don't deny 2000, 2003, and 2004? Classic. He disproved your point, but instead of acknowledging it, you find a flaw to deflect the pfact you've beenGo back to the drawing board. 2002 he had 18TD's and 23INT's. Those are#1 QB numbers?? Sorry, I'm new.
Bottom line, NYGus is 
and arguing with him is
NYGus
Footballguy
You are correct, I didn't notice the rushing numbers. Culpepper was a bad example.Switz-learn to read yet? You sure are handy with those cute little smilie icons! Got a thing for farm animals?Gus, they are talking FF not NFL . . .in 2002 Culpepper had his carerr high in rushing yards (603) and rushing TDs (10) . . .Go back to the drawing board. 2002 he had 18TD's and 23INT's. Those are#1 QB numbers?? Sorry, I'm new.
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munchkin
Footballguy
So how good would Harrison, Wayne and CJohnson be if Manning and Palmer were hurt? Who backs up Bulger? What kind of numbers would SSmith put up if he had Palmer, Manning or Bulger throwing to him?As a Pat's fan he looked pretty deadly to me in that Super Bowl!
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
Not that this matters in the current discussion, but Smith has some lofty goals set this year:
NYGus
Footballguy
Delhomme wont lose his job to injury, he'll lose cause he's not that great. The only way Manning, Bulger and Palmer lose time is if they get hurt. And really, that wasn't even the crux of my post
NYGus
Footballguy
Good for him. As a football fan I think that would be incredible to see.If he puts up #1 numbers by the end of this year, I will pubically apologize in this forum...except to you Switz -because you wouldn't be able to read it anyway.Not that this matters in the current discussion, but Smith has some lofty goals set this year:
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
I think the crux of your original post has been answered.
This has been explained pretty well. If you don't like him, don't draft him, but you are in the minority when it comes to your opinion on him, and others are basing their opinions on some pretty solid facts.
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
Last year down? And please, guy, the idea that Harrison's season was an anamoly is just absurd. Since 1999, he has gone 1, 2, 1, 1, 5, 5, 9, 1. Yeah, that 2006 #1 is a real outlier
Oh, and I like how you said in your original post that Harrison was #2 in your scoring system.- MH was #2 in yards. CJ had 4 more yards, but Harrison had 5 more TDs and 8 more receptions.
- MH was #2 in receptions. Andre Johnson had 8 more catches, but 7 fewer TDs and over 200 fewer yards.
- MH was #2 in TDS. TO had 1 more TD, but 10 fewer catches, and almost 200 fewer yards.
If Harrison was really #2 in your scoring system, I'd suggest re-evaluating that system.
Holt and Harrison have both done it recently, they perform top 5 year in and year out (i'm talking ppr here), they have never missed significant games due to injury, they both have better QBs than Smith, and they've both got a longer track record than Smith. I certainly can't see how anyone is this enraged at the mere suggestion that Smith might not be the automatic #1 guy.
Remember that being ranked #1 is not a guarantee that the guy will finish number 1. The guy that you rank #1 is the guy that you think has the highest probability of doing so. Some are more conservative and rank the guy #1 that they feel has the best chance to be top 5. Smith has a little bit more risk than Holt or Harrison. He hasn't done it as long, has missed a year and a few games to injury, and has a new offensive coordinator. I think Smith is an amazing talent, but I'd feel more comfortable with Holt or Marvin.
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NYGus
Footballguy
Wow someone from NC touting Steve Smith??? I'm shocked by this...Kilgore Tout
I posted facts as well and actually most of the arguments have been based on "on pace","If's", and his one outstanding season.
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Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
You asked the question of why people are ranking him 1 or 2. People replied with the answer 'because he is the top ranked fantasy WR over the past two years'. That is a pretty solid answer, and I don't know what that answer has to do with me being from North Carolina.
NYGus
Footballguy
That is incorrect though, he was not the #1 last year. 3rd in yards tied for 4th in TD's.I used a 6 year window for my figures. Harrison Holt and TO have better numbers. In my league and scoring system those guys are the top 3. Again I will say it-one VERY GOOD YEAR. Isn't that pretty obvious?Just busting balls on the NC crack
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Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Ok, let's play this from Gus's angle.
In the last two years, Steve Smith has finsihed first and seventh in fantasy points among NFL WRs. In the year that he finished 7th, which was last year, he missed 2 games and his QB also missed three games. When Steve Smith or his QB is not in the lineup, Smith's numbers suffer by about 6.5 PPG.
Also, last year while finishing 7th, Smith was 31 points behind the number 1 WR, Marvin Harrison. That 2 PPG. In the year Smith finished first, he was 68 points ahead of the number 2 WR, Larry Fitzgerald. That's ~4 PPG.
These are all facts, not hypotheticals. Steve Smith dominates when Delhomme and himself are in the lineup. He dominates so much so that the next closest WR to him is 4 points back. When Steve Smith or Delhomme are not in the lineup, he ends up 2 PPG behind the top player at his position. Smith and Delhomme are in the lineup far more often than not. Last year was the first time Delhomme missed any time, in fact.
Take Smith and the huge upside, and relatively low downside.
In the last two years, Steve Smith has finsihed first and seventh in fantasy points among NFL WRs. In the year that he finished 7th, which was last year, he missed 2 games and his QB also missed three games. When Steve Smith or his QB is not in the lineup, Smith's numbers suffer by about 6.5 PPG.
Also, last year while finishing 7th, Smith was 31 points behind the number 1 WR, Marvin Harrison. That 2 PPG. In the year Smith finished first, he was 68 points ahead of the number 2 WR, Larry Fitzgerald. That's ~4 PPG.
These are all facts, not hypotheticals. Steve Smith dominates when Delhomme and himself are in the lineup. He dominates so much so that the next closest WR to him is 4 points back. When Steve Smith or Delhomme are not in the lineup, he ends up 2 PPG behind the top player at his position. Smith and Delhomme are in the lineup far more often than not. Last year was the first time Delhomme missed any time, in fact.
Take Smith and the huge upside, and relatively low downside.
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you mean using whatever criteria it is you want to use to benefit your side of the argument?
switz
Footballguy
In my league Harrison was #2 last year, but I digress.My argument isn't that Harrison shouldn't be #1, but that IF NYGus wants to argue that he is, he MUST apply the SAME CRITERIA to BOTH Smith and Harrison. Which he clearly hasn't.Last year down? And please, guy, the idea that Harrison's season was an anamoly is just absurd. Since 1999, he has gone 1, 2, 1, 1, 5, 5, 9, 1. Yeah, that 2006 #1 is a real outlierHolt and Harrison have both done it recently, they perform top 5 year in and year out (i'm talking ppr here), they have never missed significant games due to injury, they both have better QBs than Smith, and they've both got a longer track record than Smith. I certainly can't see how anyone is this enraged at the mere suggestion that Smith might not be the automatic #1 guy.
I also don't have a problem with Smith not being the automatic #1. I don't have him as #1 on my charts. But the idea he's not in consideration for top-5, but rather is a 3rd to 4th round worhty WR is ludicrous.
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
I edited my earlier post (112) to clarify this point, but how in the world was Harrison not #1? Who was? What is your scoring system?switz said:In my league Harrison was #2 last year, but I digress.My argument isn't that Harrison shouldn't be #1, but that IF NYGus wants to argue that he is, he MUST apply the SAME CRITERIA to BOTH Smith and Harrison. Which he clearly hasn't.tribecalledjeff said:Last year down? And please, guy, the idea that Harrison's season was an anamoly is just absurd. Since 1999, he has gone 1, 2, 1, 1, 5, 5, 9, 1. Yeah, that 2006 #1 is a real outlierswitz said:Holt and Harrison have both done it recently, they perform top 5 year in and year out (i'm talking ppr here), they have never missed significant games due to injury, they both have better QBs than Smith, and they've both got a longer track record than Smith. I certainly can't see how anyone is this enraged at the mere suggestion that Smith might not be the automatic #1 guy.
I also don't have a problem with Smith not being the automatic #1. I don't have him as #1 on my charts. But the idea he's not in consideration for top-5, but rather is a 3rd to 4th round worhty WR is ludicrous.
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switz
Footballguy
Could it have anything to do with the fact that Smith wasn't in the league 6 years ago?????And - realistically, what does how a player performed SIX YEARS AGO have to do with this upcoming season?NYGus said:
Six years ago, your top-5 rushing TD scorers were:
M Faulk 18
M Anderson 15
L Smith 14
E George 14
E James 13
Which one of those do you have in your top-5 today?
See, per your criteria, LT sucks, because he wasn't great 6 years ago.
Maybe you should base things on 5 years ago?
Your top-5 rushing TD scorers were:
S Alexander 14
M Faulk 12
A Smith 12
M Alstott 10
C Dillon 10
Reality is, something that happened even three years ago, has very little if anything to do with what is going to happen this year. Unless you want to use a sample so selectice it eliminates certain players you don't like.
Could your dislike of NC have anything to do with your opinion?
NYGus
Footballguy
Switz-If you can read, look at my very 1st post. Same criteria for all the players listed. Take out 2001 if you like. Doesn't change anything. And as for the players you listed and the players I listed, the difference is the ones Ive listed all still play. You listed retired players.For the record I love North Carolina, beautiful stateswitz said:
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switz
Footballguy
Terrell Owens - by 1 point.
Excluding 2004 due to the broken bone in his 1st game!
This is how his last 52 games shape up
Year.........Games.........Catches........Yards.........TDs.
2003..........12.................79............979............6
03Playoffs...4.................18.............404...........3
2005..........16................103..........1563..........13
05Playoffs....4.................36............466............5
2006..........16*.................83...........1166...........8
Totals.........52...............319..........4578..........35
AVERAGES: 16................98...........1408..........10.76
*includes the 2 games he was out
This is how his last 52 games shape up
Year.........Games.........Catches........Yards.........TDs.
2003..........12.................79............979............6
03Playoffs...4.................18.............404...........3
2005..........16................103..........1563..........13
05Playoffs....4.................36............466............5
2006..........16*.................83...........1166...........8
Totals.........52...............319..........4578..........35
AVERAGES: 16................98...........1408..........10.76
*includes the 2 games he was out
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switz
Footballguy
Impossible, since you used a window that includes time a player was not in the league.For x number of players you used seaons in which they did not play. That's not the same criteria by any stretch of the imagination.You might want to take statistics 101 before you start arguing about how you set up your sample size. It's flaws are glaring.
duaneok66
Footballguy
your last statement has contradictory elements . . . drafts held at mfl.com (going by ADP) only have TWO receivers (Smith and 85) that were drafted in the first two rounds . . . soswitz said:In my league Harrison was #2 last year, but I digress.My argument isn't that Harrison shouldn't be #1, but that IF NYGus wants to argue that he is, he MUST apply the SAME CRITERIA to BOTH Smith and Harrison. Which he clearly hasn't.tribecalledjeff said:Last year down? And please, guy, the idea that Harrison's season was an anamoly is just absurd. Since 1999, he has gone 1, 2, 1, 1, 5, 5, 9, 1. Yeah, that 2006 #1 is a real outlierswitz said:Holt and Harrison have both done it recently, they perform top 5 year in and year out (i'm talking ppr here), they have never missed significant games due to injury, they both have better QBs than Smith, and they've both got a longer track record than Smith. I certainly can't see how anyone is this enraged at the mere suggestion that Smith might not be the automatic #1 guy.
I also don't have a problem with Smith not being the automatic #1. I don't have him as #1 on my charts. But the idea he's not in consideration for top-5, but rather is a 3rd to 4th round worhty WR is ludicrous.
a) being a top 5 WR and
b) being a 3rd rd WR
a and b are NOT mutually exclusive . . .
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your initial criteria is flawed since 4 of the 7 WRs you mention werent full fledged starters back in 2001
NYGus
Footballguy
But this was my post with my criteria. You hijacked it to suit your argument.New avatar for you:
http://www.lfla.org/store/images/items/11395A_lg.jpg
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switz
Footballguy
Based on that I see nothing wrong with Smith as the first WR in the third round....
switz
Footballguy
That's my point
Your criteria are not accurate for the conclusions you are drawing...Regardless, you still don't understand the difference between "in each of" and "over the past"
You can draw whatever conclusion you want... using whatever you need to make yourself feel better...
But quite honestly, I'd buy your ranking much better if you just said you had a hunch....
I'm not sure why you are arguing so hard when the obvious flaws in your argument have been pointed out by a large number of posters in this thread. Maybe you should take into consideration the flaws in your statistics, and recrunch your numbers. It would give you a better, more accurate result on which to base your rankings. It might even help you stop being last in your league.
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did a quick ck on Marvins last 52 games:275 recptions4164 yards39 TDsAvgs:85 receptions1281 yrds12 TDsso over the last 52 games for each player(remember I am including 2 games smith didnt play in due to injury)smith has 16% more catchessmith has 10% more yardsHarrison has 11% more TDs(but if you added in the TDs that Smith Rushed for(2) ) then its 5%EDIT: but smith has ONLY DONE IT ONE TIME
oh and on the non FF side: in 8 playoff games 54/870 8TDs 
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SSOG
Moderator
I don't have any stake in this fight. Personally, I have Smiff ranked as the #1 WR on the board, but I completely understand why many people don't, and I don't even think it's that ludicrous to have Smiff ranked outside of the top 5 entirely. I think the first tier of WRs this year is very large- there are probably 8 different WRs I'd feel confident ranking inside the top 5 (or, by the same token, outside of the top 5 in favor of others of the 8).
With that said, I really think everyone needs to "turn the tool factor way down", as Joe likes to say. NYGus, you keep making jokes that Switz is having trouble reading and comprehending your posts, but as an objective observer, I feel that you are having just as much trouble reading and comprehending his posts. You're so intent on trying to attack Switz that your point is suffering. Please, attack the ARGUMENT, not the person making it. Also- and this goes hand-in-hand- make sure you understand the argument before you attack it.
Switz's argument is that no player has scored more fantasy points over the past 2 seasons than Steve Smith (this directly contradicts your claim that Smiff was a 1-year wonder). This is a simple, verifiable fact- using standard FBGs scoring, Smiff has scored 413.5 points over the last two seasons (despite missing two games). Marvin Harrison is second with 394.2 points, Chad Johnson is 3rd with 381.9, and Torry Holt comes in 4th with 366.1. Remember, too, that there are no "Ifs" or "Shoulds" in this- this is not pro-rated. Steve Smith has scored more points in 30 games than Harrison/Holt/Johnson have in 32. Switching to PPR would only widen the gap, as Smiff has more receptions (in 30 games) than anyone other than Torry Holt (in 32).
Switz's other big point is that using stats since 2001 as a measuring stick is FLAWED, since Steve Smith wasn't a starting WR until 2003. To use an example, imagine if I compared Lee Evans to Eric Moulds by saying that, since 1996, Eric Moulds has 9648 yards while Evans only has 2878, so Moulds is obviously *WAY* better. The big flaw in this argument is that Lee Evans has only been in the league since 2004- that sort of skews the numbers in Moulds' favor, doesn't it? If you want to compare Smiff to the others, I would suggest only using the seasons where Smiff was a starter (2003, 2005, and 2006). That should give you numbers that are more relevant to the climate today.
If you are sure that you understand what Switz's two main points are, and you would like to argue those points (or argue why those points aren't relevant), then please do so. If you aren't sure you understand, then ask for clarification- most people are happy to help clarify anything that might be confusing someone. I think everyone wants to be understood, so people will often go the extra mile to meet you halfway.
And Switz, don't think you're any better here. While I agree with your point that NYGus is abusing sample sizes here, I strongly disagree with the manner with which you have chosen to make your points. You have been resorting to almost as many personal attacks as NYGus, and you have been just as wrong as he has on several occasions. I like that both of you have issued one mea culpa in this thread, but neither of you is willing to admit that you might be wrong on any other points.
I think everyone here should take a step back and re-read this thread. Re-read the other person's posts and make sure you understand the points being made. Re-read your own posts and see if you're proud of the way that you've handled this discussion so far. Take a step back, take a deep breath, and distance yourself from the argument- it's too easy to get carried away in the heat of the moment. After all of that, if you still want to say something, hop right in... just remember the golden rule of arguing on the internet-
Attack the argument, not the poster
Sorry for the slight sidetrack. I really don't want anyone to think I'm trying to be the forum police here, but this thread went from interesting to unreadable in a huge hurry. The optimist in me hopes that all parties involved can cool off a little bit and get back to posting some more of that fascinating and well-developed analysis that I keep coming back to FBGs for.
With that said, I really think everyone needs to "turn the tool factor way down", as Joe likes to say. NYGus, you keep making jokes that Switz is having trouble reading and comprehending your posts, but as an objective observer, I feel that you are having just as much trouble reading and comprehending his posts. You're so intent on trying to attack Switz that your point is suffering. Please, attack the ARGUMENT, not the person making it. Also- and this goes hand-in-hand- make sure you understand the argument before you attack it.
Switz's argument is that no player has scored more fantasy points over the past 2 seasons than Steve Smith (this directly contradicts your claim that Smiff was a 1-year wonder). This is a simple, verifiable fact- using standard FBGs scoring, Smiff has scored 413.5 points over the last two seasons (despite missing two games). Marvin Harrison is second with 394.2 points, Chad Johnson is 3rd with 381.9, and Torry Holt comes in 4th with 366.1. Remember, too, that there are no "Ifs" or "Shoulds" in this- this is not pro-rated. Steve Smith has scored more points in 30 games than Harrison/Holt/Johnson have in 32. Switching to PPR would only widen the gap, as Smiff has more receptions (in 30 games) than anyone other than Torry Holt (in 32).
Switz's other big point is that using stats since 2001 as a measuring stick is FLAWED, since Steve Smith wasn't a starting WR until 2003. To use an example, imagine if I compared Lee Evans to Eric Moulds by saying that, since 1996, Eric Moulds has 9648 yards while Evans only has 2878, so Moulds is obviously *WAY* better. The big flaw in this argument is that Lee Evans has only been in the league since 2004- that sort of skews the numbers in Moulds' favor, doesn't it? If you want to compare Smiff to the others, I would suggest only using the seasons where Smiff was a starter (2003, 2005, and 2006). That should give you numbers that are more relevant to the climate today.
If you are sure that you understand what Switz's two main points are, and you would like to argue those points (or argue why those points aren't relevant), then please do so. If you aren't sure you understand, then ask for clarification- most people are happy to help clarify anything that might be confusing someone. I think everyone wants to be understood, so people will often go the extra mile to meet you halfway.
And Switz, don't think you're any better here. While I agree with your point that NYGus is abusing sample sizes here, I strongly disagree with the manner with which you have chosen to make your points. You have been resorting to almost as many personal attacks as NYGus, and you have been just as wrong as he has on several occasions. I like that both of you have issued one mea culpa in this thread, but neither of you is willing to admit that you might be wrong on any other points.
I think everyone here should take a step back and re-read this thread. Re-read the other person's posts and make sure you understand the points being made. Re-read your own posts and see if you're proud of the way that you've handled this discussion so far. Take a step back, take a deep breath, and distance yourself from the argument- it's too easy to get carried away in the heat of the moment. After all of that, if you still want to say something, hop right in... just remember the golden rule of arguing on the internet-
Attack the argument, not the poster
Sorry for the slight sidetrack. I really don't want anyone to think I'm trying to be the forum police here, but this thread went from interesting to unreadable in a huge hurry. The optimist in me hopes that all parties involved can cool off a little bit and get back to posting some more of that fascinating and well-developed analysis that I keep coming back to FBGs for.
Ned
Footballguy
yikes.
H.K.
Footballguy
Overall, a good effort but NYGus still needs a good catch phrase.
barndog
Father of Two
I think that's overstating it. When you are presented with facts, you'd best acknowledge them.That said, I'm going to Panther camp on Friday. I think I'll get NYGus an autograph.
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't think it's overstating it at all. I highly doubt there is much separation between WR1 and WR6, WR7 or WR8 this year. I really don't see what all the fuss is about.Enjoy camp BTW.I think that's overstating it. When you are presented with facts, you'd best acknowledge them.That said, I'm going to Panther camp on Friday. I think I'll get NYGus an autograph.
switz
Footballguy
I tried to avoid getting personal. If I did in any way, I apologize. I was just trying to point out the flaws in the argument.
coolnerd
Footballguy
After follwoing this thread, I think it is the guy who is ranking Smith at 6 instead of 1 who is rattling his sword. There is a very good argument to rank Smith anywhere in the range, but I am not convinced the OP presented it.I don't think it's overstating it at all. I highly doubt there is much separation between WR1 and WR6, WR7 or WR8 this year. I really don't see what all the fuss is about.Enjoy camp BTW.I think that's overstating it. When you are presented with facts, you'd best acknowledge them.That said, I'm going to Panther camp on Friday. I think I'll get NYGus an autograph.
Including his 60 yards / 1 TD rushing and those prorated stats would have made him the #2 WR for 2006.
switz
Footballguy
Not a bad list, I added comments to the players.Even though NE spreads the ball around, I expect Moss to be a top-5 guy.My top 5:T.O. <--- he would have to improve on last seasons numbers, not impossible, but not likelySmiff <-- don't disagree with him at #2 at allHolt <-- needs to up his TDs, but a consistent top-5 guyWayne <-- people keep waiting for him to outscore Harrison, it still won't happen, swap the two of them and I'd agree moreOcho Cinco <-- Palmer needs to be healthy, but I expect the Bengals on the whole to have a down year (and I own Palmer
NYGus
Footballguy
I think that's overstating it. When you are presented with facts, you'd best acknowledge them.That said, I'm going to Panther camp on Friday. I think I'll get NYGus an autograph.
I see that some of the posters have made their arguments based on PPR and that's cool. I stated in my original post that I do not play in a PPR league so maybe that's where the big difference is since Smith is the only real go-to guy on that team. My league uses a scoring system is quite different from any league I've seen but it's worked well for 17 seasons.I thought there were some very good points through out the post and that's why I wanted, not to fish, but to create discussion, make people think...hell -make ME think and possibly see something I had overlooked in regards to Smith.
switz
Footballguy
I don't play PPR. Still Smith was #1 in 2005, and #8 in 2006 (missing two games.) Still across that time period, he's put up in two years far superior numbers to any other receiver over the same time period.I don't knock you for not having him #1. But I still cannot see how you don't think he's at least top-5, even top-3.I think that's overstating it. When you are presented with facts, you'd best acknowledge them.That said, I'm going to Panther camp on Friday. I think I'll get NYGus an autograph.
I thought there were some very good points through out the post and that's why I wanted, not to fish, but to create discussion, make people think...hell -make ME think and possibly see something I had overlooked in regards to Smith.
My league has very unique scoring as well...
for WRs:
6pt TD + 1pt per every ten yards of the score
-3pt Fumble
1pt per every ten yards of the total yardage
Since Smith is an impact player who can score from anywhere on the field, he probably gets more points due to long TDs than perhaps a WR who scores more as a redzone target due to leaping ability.
Even so, I can't foresee a scoring system where Smith wouldn't be seen as a top-5 WR this year. Perhaps you could share your scoring system with us.
I have SS rated as #1 WR. His hamstring definitely affected him all season. He had at least three long balls that he could not catch up to in the first half of the season that I and the TV announcers were stunned to see. He was a step slow last year. I expect him to return to top speed this season.
That said I believe there are six WR's that could be anyone's #1. I could not fault you if you had any of Holt, Owens, Wayne, Harrison or 85 as your #1. Each of them has +'s and -'s. I think that TO would be hands down #1 if he could keep his sanity, but I am not willing to take that risk.
If I have a shot at SS in the 2nd round of my PPR league he is MINE!
That said I believe there are six WR's that could be anyone's #1. I could not fault you if you had any of Holt, Owens, Wayne, Harrison or 85 as your #1. Each of them has +'s and -'s. I think that TO would be hands down #1 if he could keep his sanity, but I am not willing to take that risk.
If I have a shot at SS in the 2nd round of my PPR league he is MINE!
