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there seems to be a pretty large portion of people that say either he is injury prone or he has only done it for ONE YEAR?

and of course there are others that think he is a top ranked WR

I pulled these numbers not to long ago to look at his past performance

here are his stats since 2003 from the last 12 weeks of the season when he basically showed he was for real with his new starting gig

Excluding 2004 due to the broken bone in his 1st game!

Year.........Games.........Catches........Yards.........TDs.........Games w/out TD

2003..........12.................79............979............6................6

2005..........16................103..........1563..........13................4

05Playoffs....4.................36............466............5.................1

Totals.........32...............214..........3008..........24................11

so 32 games is the equivalent to 2 seasons and smith has avgd what would be

107catches/yr for 2yrs

1504yrds/yr for 2yrs

12 TDs/yr for 2yrs

and he scores atleast ONE TD in 65.63% of all games he plays in

i am not gonna do any more homework but I think it will be pretty hard to find

many more samples like the 32 games above

and if anyone just wants to use the 2003 and 2005 seasons as a sample

191 catches avg 95.5/yr

2673yrds avg 1336.5/yr

20Tds avg 10/yr

scored in an avg of 68.75% of games
And yeah i know Key is there now...Discuss :popcorn:

 
I think the presence of Keyshawn helps him this year. I was very down on his prospects this year if the Panthers put the exact same offense on the field as last year. Key will help him retain his value.

 
I dont think anyone dissagrees he is a top 5 receiver now
yes, I was a doubter in the past...but, he showed enough during his past 2 healthy seasons to easily earn a spot in the top-5
 
I think the presence of Keyshawn helps him this year. I was very down on his prospects this year if the Panthers put the exact same offense on the field as last year. Key will help him retain his value.
Why,he was unstopable. Mush did it the year before. Car knows something the other teams dont. How to get a Young or OLD WR open everygame even when its the D's main focus. Car has produced the #1 WR the last 2 season and there is NO reason they wont do it again. Its Gold.
 
i guess what amazes me the most are his 2 yr avgs on what most people considered a run 1st team

i think Key will have a small effect on Smiths numbers but i also think that Smith will increase his YPC due to key taking some of the possesion type catches and in turn creating a few more big plays for Smith..

where Key will have his biggest effect will be on every WR/TE or RB catching passes not named Steve Smith

another pc of info that i was made aware of tonite....

can anyone guess how many yards Smith racked up after the catch?

810 yards AFTER THE CATCH :eek:

 
Why,he was unstopable. Mush did it the year before. Car knows something the other teams dont. How to get a Young or OLD WR open everygame even when its the D's main focus. Car has produced the #1 WR the last 2 season and there is NO reason they wont do it again. Its Gold.
That or Delhomme can only throw to one guy.
 
decided to dig a bit deeper to see how many WRs i could find that had combined for over

200 catches 3000yrds and 20+ TDs for 2 consecutive seasons...

now smiths numbers are for his last 32 games

Smith 214/3008/24

do you think MOSS did it? NOPE

how about TO? NOPE

maybe Joe Horn? NOPE

what about #85? NOPE

i could only find 2 active players(maybe someone else can chime in on retired guys)

MARVIN HARRISON(and he did it twice)

99/00 217/3076/26

01/02 252/3264/26 :eek:

TORY HOLT

03/04 211/3068/22

 
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I really don't see anyone doubting Smith's skills.

He may not be the #1 wr again this year, but he should easily be top 10, and probably somewhere in the top 5.

:confused:

 
there seems to be a pretty large portion of people that say either he is injury prone or he has only done it for ONE YEAR?

and of course there are others that think he is a top ranked WR

I pulled these numbers not to long ago to look at his past performance

here are his stats since 2003 from the last 12 weeks of the season when he basically showed he was for real with his new starting gig

Excluding 2004 due to the broken bone in his 1st game!

Year.........Games.........Catches........Yards.........TDs.........Games w/out TD

2003..........12.................79............979............6................6

2005..........16................103..........1563..........13................4

05Playoffs....4.................36............466............5.................1

Totals.........32...............214..........3008..........24................11

so 32 games is the equivalent to 2 seasons and smith has avgd what would be

107catches/yr for 2yrs

1504yrds/yr for 2yrs

12 TDs/yr for 2yrs

and he scores atleast ONE TD in 65.63% of all games he plays in

i am not gonna do any more homework but I think it will be pretty hard to find

many more samples like the 32 games above

and if anyone just wants to use the 2003 and 2005 seasons as a sample

191 catches avg 95.5/yr

2673yrds  avg 1336.5/yr

20Tds avg 10/yr

scored in an avg of 68.75% of games
And yeah i know Key is there now...Discuss :popcorn:
When you have to look over 3+ seasons to find 32 games, the reasons for doubt should be obvious.
 
there seems to be a pretty large portion of people that say either he is injury prone or he has only done it for ONE YEAR?

and of course there are others that think he is a top ranked WR

I pulled these numbers not to long ago to look at his past performance

here are his stats since 2003 from the last 12 weeks of the season when he basically showed he was for real with his new starting gig

Excluding 2004 due to the broken bone in his 1st game!

Year.........Games.........Catches........Yards.........TDs.........Games w/out TD

2003..........12.................79............979............6................6

2005..........16................103..........1563..........13................4

05Playoffs....4.................36............466............5.................1

Totals.........32...............214..........3008..........24................11

so 32 games is the equivalent to 2 seasons and smith has avgd what would be

107catches/yr for 2yrs

1504yrds/yr for 2yrs

12 TDs/yr for 2yrs

and he scores atleast ONE TD in 65.63% of all games he plays in

i am not gonna do any more homework but I think it will be pretty hard to find

many more samples like the 32 games above

and if anyone just wants to use the 2003 and 2005 seasons as a sample

191 catches avg 95.5/yr

2673yrds  avg 1336.5/yr

20Tds avg 10/yr

scored in an avg of 68.75% of games
And yeah i know Key is there now...Discuss :popcorn:
When you have to look over 3+ seasons to find 32 games, the reasons for doubt should be obvious.
:goodposting:
 
Very impressive #s. Noone doubts his skills....only his consistency. That 32 game compilation is over a 3 year span. He missed an entire season with the broken bone. How many years has he put up great back to back #s? Hasnt happened and there's the reason he's knocked a little. We'll see if it changes this year. Personally, I think it will.

 
there seems to be a pretty large portion of people that say either he is injury prone or he has only done it for ONE YEAR?

and of course there are others that think he is a top ranked WR

I pulled these numbers not to long ago to look at his past performance

here are his stats since 2003 from the last 12 weeks of the season when he basically showed he was for real with his new starting gig

Excluding 2004 due to the broken bone in his 1st game!

Year.........Games.........Catches........Yards.........TDs.........Games w/out TD

2003..........12.................79............979............6................6

2005..........16................103..........1563..........13................4

05Playoffs....4.................36............466............5.................1

Totals.........32...............214..........3008..........24................11

so 32 games is the equivalent to 2 seasons and smith has avgd what would be

107catches/yr for 2yrs

1504yrds/yr for 2yrs

12 TDs/yr for 2yrs

and he scores atleast ONE TD in 65.63% of all games he plays in

i am not gonna do any more homework but I think it will be pretty hard to find

many more samples like the 32 games above

and if anyone just wants to use the 2003 and 2005 seasons as a sample

191 catches avg 95.5/yr

2673yrds  avg 1336.5/yr

20Tds avg 10/yr

scored in an avg of 68.75% of games
And yeah i know Key is there now...Discuss :popcorn:
When you have to look over 3+ seasons to find 32 games, the reasons for doubt should be obvious.
Very impressive #s. Noone doubts his skills....only his consistency. That 32 game compilation is over a 3 year span. He missed an entire season with the broken bone. How many years has he put up great back to back #s? Hasnt happened and there's the reason he's knocked a little. We'll see if it changes this year. Personally, I think it will.
see this is pretty much what I am talking about...the guy BROKE A BONE in his LEGdidnt tweak a hammy here and there then pull a hangnail or anything like that...

here take a look at these stats(they are good) and tell me if anyone questions this player due to missed time...

13....97........1451

16....93........1412

14...100.......1300

15.....80.......1102

14.....77.......1200

the player with these stats has only on 16 game played season but he has perpetually been considered a top 3 wr yep you got it thats TO mr I am cut out of stone...i didnt post his 7 game stats from last yr cause that was due to brain injury

 
I'd feel alot better about him if he didn't return kicks anymore. Huge injury risk on those plays.

 
i can't argue with the talent level and skill set of the guy, but i think whether he is a top 5 or top 15 wr is somewhat related to who's carrying the rock in carolina.

if the other teams dont have to load the box as often as they did with davis and a healthy foster, it puts another player or two in the defensive backfield clogging passing lanes, being closer tot ackle him after the catch etc.

an aside - lotsa people are saying carolina is gonna draft a rb...what ever happened to shelton?

 
I dont think anyone dissagrees he is a top 5 receiver now
yes, I was a doubter in the past...but, he showed enough during his past 2 healthy seasons to easily earn a spot in the top-5
And he is explosive enough, and has the potential to produce (like he did last year) to take some risk in grabbing him.
 
Why,he was unstopable. Mush did it the year before. Car knows something the other teams dont. How to get a Young or OLD WR open everygame even when its the D's main focus. Car has produced the #1 WR the last 2 season and there is NO reason they wont do it again. Its Gold.
That or Delhomme can only throw to one guy.
:goodposting:
 
there seems to be a pretty large portion of people that say either he is injury prone or he has only done it for ONE YEAR?

and of course there are others that think he is a top ranked WR

I pulled these numbers not to long ago to look at his past performance

here are his stats since 2003 from the last 12 weeks of the season when he basically showed he was for real with his new starting gig

Excluding 2004 due to the broken bone in his 1st game!

Year.........Games.........Catches........Yards.........TDs.........Games w/out TD

2003..........12.................79............979............6................6

2005..........16................103..........1563..........13................4

05Playoffs....4.................36............466............5.................1

Totals.........32...............214..........3008..........24................11

so 32 games is the equivalent to 2 seasons and smith has avgd what would be

107catches/yr for 2yrs

1504yrds/yr for 2yrs

12 TDs/yr for 2yrs

and he scores atleast ONE TD in 65.63% of all games he plays in

i am not gonna do any more homework but I think it will be pretty hard to find

many more samples like the 32 games above

and if anyone just wants to use the 2003 and 2005 seasons as a sample

191 catches avg 95.5/yr

2673yrds  avg 1336.5/yr

20Tds avg 10/yr

scored in an avg of 68.75% of games
And yeah i know Key is there now...Discuss :popcorn:
Don't forget his 2003 postseason stats too.
 
there seems to be a pretty large portion of people that say either he is injury prone or he has only done it for ONE YEAR?

and of course there are others that think he is a top ranked WR

I pulled these numbers not to long ago to look at his past performance

here are his stats since 2003 from the last 12 weeks of the season when he basically showed he was for real with his new starting gig

Excluding 2004 due to the broken bone in his 1st game!

Year.........Games.........Catches........Yards.........TDs.........Games w/out TD

2003..........12.................79............979............6................6

2005..........16................103..........1563..........13................4

05Playoffs....4.................36............466............5.................1

Totals.........32...............214..........3008..........24................11

so 32 games is the equivalent to 2 seasons and smith has avgd what would be

107catches/yr for 2yrs

1504yrds/yr for 2yrs

12 TDs/yr for 2yrs

and he scores atleast ONE TD in 65.63% of all games he plays in

i am not gonna do any more homework but I think it will be pretty hard to find

many more samples like the 32 games above

and if anyone just wants to use the 2003 and 2005 seasons as a sample

191 catches avg 95.5/yr

2673yrds avg 1336.5/yr

20Tds avg 10/yr

scored in an avg of 68.75% of games
And yeah i know Key is there now...Discuss :popcorn:
Don't forget his 2003 postseason stats too.
54/870/8 vs playoff teams in 8 total playoff games :eek: that is insane if you extrapolate it out

AND that is against playoff teams

108/1740/16 :eek:

 
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i can't argue with the talent level and skill set of the guy, but i think whether he is a top 5 or top 15 wr is somewhat related to who's carrying the rock in carolina.

if the other teams dont have to load the box as often as they did with davis and a healthy foster, it puts another player or two in the defensive backfield clogging passing lanes, being closer tot ackle him after the catch etc.

an aside - lotsa people are saying carolina is gonna draft a rb...what ever happened to shelton?
Did you miss the playoff game in Chicago?
 
Keg-

What do you want? We all recognize how good Smith is. He's unbelievable and gets a large amount of respect around this board and everywhere else. I am attemtping to trade for him right now and am offering a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick as well as players and it still probably wont be enough. But a broken bone is a broken bone. That broken leg does count as an injury, correct? and it did cause him to miss an entire season, correct? And he still hasnt put up and significant #s in back to back seasons, correct? And he's still one of the smallest players on the field whenever he suits up, correct? Therefore, no matter how you slice it and dice it, one very large shot to the body could put him out for a season again. Ive got a very high level of respect for Smith. But he hasnt given us back to back'ers and he's still a very small guy. Nonetheless, he's a consensus top 3 WR. You cant ask for anything more. And screw TO, by the way. I drafted him in the 7th round of a redraft last year...so late because of course nooone wanted him, and I couldnt get rid of him and his stats fast enough. Traded him 15 minutes after I drafted him straight up for Larry Fitzgerald. So I wouldnt put that nutcase anywhere on the same page with your boy Smith.

 
Keg-

What do you want? We all recognize how good Smith is. He's unbelievable and gets a large amount of respect around this board and everywhere else. I am attemtping to trade for him right now and am offering a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick as well as players and it still probably wont be enough. But a broken bone is a broken bone. That broken leg does count as an injury, correct? and it did cause him to miss an entire season, correct? And he still hasnt put up and significant #s in back to back seasons, correct? And he's still one of the smallest players on the field whenever he suits up, correct? Therefore, no matter how you slice it and dice it, one very large shot to the body could put him out for a season again. Ive got a very high level of respect for Smith. But he hasnt given us back to back'ers and he's still a very small guy. Nonetheless, he's a consensus top 3 WR. You cant ask for anything more. And screw TO, by the way. I drafted him in the 7th round of a redraft last year...so late because of course nooone wanted him, and I couldnt get rid of him and his stats fast enough. Traded him 15 minutes after I drafted him straight up for Larry Fitzgerald. So I wouldnt put that nutcase anywhere on the same page with your boy Smith.
i dont want anything just have seen some people say he only did it for ONE YR...i wont argue with the back to back part but a broken bone didnt happen because he was small and yeah injuries happen and can to anyone at any time...i got the itch to dig into smiths numbers a bit due to things i have read some others write and i dont mean exclusively here at FBG...and as I dug into his numbers they even made me go :eek: wow...and i totaly overlooked the 4 playoff games in 03 and when you look at those combined with last yrs playoffs it made me go :eek: again...if you had enough then push away from the table

 
link to people bashing Steve Smith?
aaron i read a bunch of diff boards and if you want me to go and try and find the exact quotes from other forums or here then let me get going ....but even in this thread people have alluded to he is small and he hasnt done it back to back etc...i think there is a ton of good football knowledge in this forum so i thought i would toss it out there to see what people thought
 
link to people bashing Steve Smith?
aaron i read a bunch of diff boards and if you want me to go and try and find the exact quotes from other forums or here then let me get going ....but even in this thread people have alluded to he is small and he hasnt done it back to back etc...i think there is a ton of good football knowledge in this forum so i thought i would toss it out there to see what people thought
Fair enough, but I'd still be surprised if he were drafted outside of the top-5 WRs this year in (m)any drafts.Look at some of the other WRs who he's competing against:

Larry Fitzgerald/Anquan Boldin - team added Edge and has nobody behind Kurt Warner at QB

Chad Johnson - Carson Palmer's hurt and they lost Kitna

Randy Moss - had 2 down years in a row and will have a new QB and OC for the 3rd straight year.

Terrell Owens - clearly, Owens carries some risk

among this group, Steve Smith looks like one of the safest options, IMO.

 
link to people bashing Steve Smith?
aaron i read a bunch of diff boards and if you want me to go and try and find the exact quotes from other forums or here then let me get going ....but even in this thread people have alluded to he is small and he hasnt done it back to back etc...i think there is a ton of good football knowledge in this forum so i thought i would toss it out there to see what people thought
Fair enough, but I'd still be surprised if he were drafted outside of the top-5 WRs this year in (m)any drafts.Look at some of the other WRs who he's competing against:

Larry Fitzgerald/Anquan Boldin - team added Edge and has nobody behind Kurt Warner at QB

Chad Johnson - Carson Palmer's hurt and they lost Kitna

Randy Moss - had 2 down years in a row and will have a new QB and OC for the 3rd straight year.

Terrell Owens - clearly, Owens carries some risk

among this group, Steve Smith looks like one of the safest options, IMO.
:thumbup: and it sure is true that there are a ton of questions surrounding the top WRs this yr
 
i can't argue with the talent level and skill set of the guy, but i think whether he is a top 5 or top 15 wr is somewhat related to who's carrying the rock in carolina.

if the other teams dont have to load the box as often as they did with davis and a healthy foster, it puts another player or two in the defensive backfield clogging passing lanes, being closer tot ackle him after the catch etc.

an aside - lotsa people are saying carolina is gonna draft a rb...what ever happened to shelton?
Did you miss the playoff game in Chicago?
Your comment makes no sense. In fact, your point is EXACTLY my point. Smith went wild vs Chicago because he had a running game. Davis was out but Foster played and although he didn't have a lot of success he did have around 15 carries in the first half before getting injured in the 3rd Q. His presence forced the Bears to pay attention to him - especially when he ran for over 150 the week before vs the Giants! The majority of Smith's yards vs Chicago were in the first half when Foster was in the game. Did YOU see the seattle game? Without Davis or Foster (injured in Chicago) & Goings getting injured in the 1st quarter, Smith was held to 33 total yards on only 5 receptions. They targeted him 11 times but Seattle was able to drop back and play more guys in the defensive backfield. It's a copycat league so don't think def coordinators around the leauge won't be looking at that game film next season.

I'm not saying Smith won't have a good year cuz he's still gonna make some plays, but finishing in the top 5 wr vs top 10 or so will depend largely on the panthers rb situation IMO.

 
link to people bashing Steve Smith?
aaron i read a bunch of diff boards and if you want me to go and try and find the exact quotes from other forums or here then let me get going ....but even in this thread people have alluded to he is small and he hasnt done it back to back etc...i think there is a ton of good football knowledge in this forum so i thought i would toss it out there to see what people thought
If anything he has been one of the most hyped WR's here. Going into the 2004 season a lot us thought he was in for a breakout year but then he got injured. Last year he was considered a steal because his injury had some people down on him.
 
Sorry, I have to downgrade him because his name isn't flashy enough. Come on, how can you get excited about a guy named Steve Smith? Give me an Anquan or Plaxico or Santana or Donte or Hines or Torry or Javon or Brayton to see on my roster every day. It's all about cool names.

 

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