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Steven Crowder Goes Off on "Social Justice Warriors" (1 Viewer)

Henry Ford said:
I'm happy for you, glad there are people like you, and the job you're doing is incredibly important and I'm sure very difficult.  

I'd gouge my own eyes out.
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My job is fittingly mundane. But I work with really good people in my Department of Mundaneness. And the kids are generally really nice and some of the girls are awesome to look at.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
It's a fantastic term that's extremely helpful in differentiating between two kinds of people.

On one hand, you have folks on the progressive left who have strong opinions about things, and they're happy to talk about their positions and try to win you over with the force of logic.  Pretty much everybody on the left-hand side of this forum is like that.  Without calling anybody out, I can think of a handful of posters here who I disagree with on most stuff, but at the end of the day we could go out for a beer and talk football or something and be on perfectly friendly terms despite our ideological differences.

The term "social justice warrior" got coined by the internet several years ago to identify people who also reside on the progressive left, but who have a more totalist bent (their ideology tends to permeate everyday life) and who are are much more interested in destroying or at least shutting up people who disagree with them.  To take an extreme example, remember those idiot girls a few months back who thought it would be funny to line up so that their shirts spelled out a racial slur (with an asterisk stuck in there)?  SJWs are the sort of people who make it their personal mission to contact the girls' colleges and get their admissions rescinded.  In the more immediate case, they're the people who attend events like this one for the sole purpose of shouting down the speaker.  

It's not fair to criticize "progressives" or "leftists" for turning their ideology into a little religion and diving off into the deep end of intolerance, because most of them don't do that.  At least not the people who we interact with here.  That's why having another term to single out specifically the problem folks is so useful.  
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I don't think it's that simple.  Normally reasonable people when surrounded by nothing but like-minded others can become extreme.

Homogenous neighborhoods could move in this direction, but usually it would take some sort of time and organization.  Something that took more effort.  With social media it takes little to no effort.

It can give people a voice, which is good, but it can also create mob mentalities out of nothing and shut down reasonable dialogue.

 
These college kids should get an education but keep their mouths shut until they lived a little life...Nothing worse than a know it all 20 year old.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
These college kids should get an education but keep their mouths shut until they lived a little life...Nothing worse than a know it all 20 year old.
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Most 20-year olds are know-it-alls.  It's an age thing not unique to university or generation.

The problem is the homogenous views of the faculty and administrators.  College kids are having a hard enough time getting jobs as it is.  Having a SJW as an employee is going to be a pain in the ###.  Corporate America is a place where you keep your politics to yourself (regardless of where on the spectrum you are).  Managers don't want drama.

 
timschochet said:
All right, I don't want to argue Carolla. 

Where did this term "Social Justice Warrior" come from anyhow? Been hearing more and more conservatives use it. Really dumb, IMO. 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior

"Social justice warrior" (commonly abbreviated "SJW") is a pejorative term for someone expressing socially progressive views, including advocacy for women's rights and civil rights.[1][2][3] The phrase originated as a laudatory term for people engaged in social justice.[3] {...}


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For more details on this topic, see Social justice.
Dating back to 1824, the term "social justice" refers to justice on a societal level.[8] Abby Ohlheiser wrote in The Washington Post that "social-justice warrior" or variations thereof had been used as a laudatory phrase in the past, and provided an example dating to 1991.[3] She quoted Katherine Martin, the head of U.S. dictionaries at Oxford University Press, who said, "All of the examples I’ve seen until quite recently are lionizing the person".[3] According to The Washington Post, use of the phrase in a positive manner continued from the 1990s through the 2000s.[3] At the time of the article's publication in October 2015, The Washington Post noted Martin said "lexicographers there haven’t done a full search for its earliest citation" of the term.[3] Kristina Marusic of MTV News stated that prior to its usage in a negative fashion, "social justice warrior" had been used to refer to Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. describing their efforts on behalf of social justice.[9] [...]

 
So basically white guys are mad they can't say whatever they want to people without repercussions anymore.

Guess what, the times they are a changin'. The days of white Christian males dominating every facet of American society are coming to an end. 

Stop whining and deal with it.

 
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How is this new term any different from Rush's old "feminazis"?

its always the same formula: whenever there is a position you don't like, you find the most extreme exponents of that point of view and focus on their intolerance. That allows you to misrepresent anybody who holds the same point of view as extremist. Thus instead of having to argue against a reasonable POV, you get to argue against extremism and intolerance, which everybody hates. The right and the left use this all the time and it never fails to be effective. Sounds to me like SJW is just the latest variant. 

 
Skoo said:
So basically white guys are mad they can't say whatever they want to people without repercussions anymore.

Guess what, the times they are a changin'. The days of white Christian males dominating every facet of American society are coming to an end. 

Stop whining and deal with it.
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Lemme guess.  You took gender studies and other related courses in college and now can't get a job. 

 
mr roboto said:
This guy kinda sucked, but...

Conedians have been flatly refusing to play campuses for years. Follow the leading (and possibly ludicrous) edge of an ethos and you can basically predict where the mainstream will be in 20 years. 

This SjW crap will become normalized at some point. Scoff now but honestly I'm not sure the pendulum won't crash hard before we know it. The real long term concern isn't from redneck racists IMO. It's mainstreaming this bull####. 
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Could you even do a show like All in the Family anymore?  I'm wondering where all of this leads.  "I don't like what you say, but I'll defend with my life your right to say it" is becoming " I don't like what you say and I'll put my life on the line to stop you from saying it" and that's not a good thing.

 
Can't say I knew who Crowder was, or give a crap, but I did enjoy his role as Alan "The Brain" Powers in the Arthur cartoons.

 
Skoo said:
So basically white guys are mad they can't say whatever they want to people without repercussions anymore.

Guess what, the times they are a changin'. The days of white Christian males dominating every facet of American society are coming to an end. 

Stop whining and deal with it.
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No

 
We've always been a better country because college kids raise hell about stuff. Change has to start somewhere. The dooshnozzles who run things generally don't listen until somebody is screaming at and threatening them.

 
Skoo said:
So basically white guys are mad they can't say whatever they want to people without repercussions anymore.

Guess what, the times they are a changin'. The days of white Christian males dominating every facet of American society are coming to an end. 

Stop whining and deal with it.
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Oh brother :doh:

 
The first time I heard the term social justice warrior used pejoratively was when I started hearing about the whole gamersgate thing. I'd post a link to an explanation about gamers gate, but once I read about it, I realized I'd wasted my time by reading about it, so I'll spare you all the same.

 
timschochet said:
How is this new term any different from Rush's old "feminazis"?

its always the same formula: whenever there is a position you don't like, you find the most extreme exponents of that point of view and focus on their intolerance. That allows you to misrepresent anybody who holds the same point of view as extremist. Thus instead of having to argue against a reasonable POV, you get to argue against extremism and intolerance, which everybody hates. The right and the left use this all the time and it never fails to be effective. Sounds to me like SJW is just the latest variant. 
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Actually intolerance isn't hated by everybody. It is actively promoted by the people the term Social Justice Warrior applies to.

 
roadkill1292 said:
We've always been a better country because college kids raise hell about stuff. Change has to start somewhere. The dooshnozzles who run things generally don't listen until somebody is screaming at and threatening them.
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Counterpoint:
Kids have always been stupid and college students are only a little less stupid than high school kids. 

 
I think most people - including those who the "SJW" label is thrown at - just want everyone to get a chance at a fair shake. Get enough people who agree on what that means into the same room, and it becomes a mob.  

Given that we now all interact heavily on social media platforms that let us create a 24/HR 7/day room filled with people who agree with us on what things mean, a lot of people are operating in a mob mentality a lot of the time.

If these same people had stood around outside (or, frankly, inside) holding signs that called this guy a dumb### or distributed literature that explained why his act is harmful or otherwise terrible, it's be a pretty normal day on a college campus since about 1960.  It's the perceived melodrama that's bothering people, I think, and I think that's just what happens when you're whipped into a frenzy all day every day by media, social and otherwise. 

 
Henry Ford said:
I think most people - including those who the "SJW" label is thrown at - just want everyone to get a chance at a fair shake.
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People who try to shut down free speech based on the theories that underpin "safe spaces", "trigger warnings", etc. definitely do not want everyone to get a chance at a fair shake. They want to be protected from ideas they disagree with or dislike. 

 
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RedmondLonghorn said:
Counterpoint:
Kids have always been stupid and college students are only a little less stupid than high school kids. 
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I guess that's a counterpoint. To me, both statements can be and probably are equally true. Of course college students are stupid about lots of stuff. Of course they're right about a lot of crap done by the authorities that needs to be stopped. 

I don't want complacency and obedience. That would make me one of those awful human beans who own NFL teams, only without a billion dollars in my checking account.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
Counterpoint:
Kids have always been stupid and college students are only a little less stupid than high school kids. 
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Damn kids think that they can change the world...Newsflash, you can't change ####..Go get your education, your meaningless job, get married have kids and pay your ####### bills and die a slow death like the rest of us.....just kidding...sort of

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
People who try to shut down free speech based on the theories that underpin "safe spaces", "trigger warnings", etc. definitely do not want everyone to get a chance at a fair shake. They want to be protected from ideas they disagree with or dislike. 
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I think there's a strong element of feeling like you deserve to have people bend to your will, regardless of how reasonable your position is, involved in this kind of behavior.

 
Gr00vus said:
The first time I heard the term social justice warrior used pejoratively was when I started hearing about the whole gamersgate thing. I'd post a link to an explanation about gamers gate, but once I read about it, I realized I'd wasted my time by reading about it, so I'll spare you all the same.
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Yeah, I heard that word yesterday for the first time in my life, but not only do I have no idea what it really means, I now hate myself for trying to comprehend it.  There's just too many ### #### words in the world right now.  Please eliminate 26% of them.

 
roadkill1292 said:
I guess that's a counterpoint. To me, both statements can be and probably are equally true. Of course college students are stupid about lots of stuff. Of course they're right about a lot of crap done by the authorities that needs to be stopped. 

I don't want complacency and obedience. That would make me one of those awful human beans who own NFL teams, only without a billion dollars in my checking account.
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Believe it or not, I mostly agree with you. I have a pretty strongly anti-authority bent myself.

WIth that said, the simple insanity of a lot of stuff that is going on right now on college campuses is undeniable. 

The problem is that "complacency and obedience" are absolutely being reinforced, both socially and instiutionally, on campuses these days. Sure, it is obedience to an anti-establishment viewpoint, but that doesn't make it any better. 

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Damn kids think that they can change the world...Newsflash, you can't change ####..Go get your education, your meaningless job, get married have kids and pay your ####### bills and die a slow death like the rest of us.....just kidding...sort of
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To be fair, if it wasn't for college protests in the 1960s and 1970s, we'd still probably have a draft.  So there's that.  

On the other hand, the stuff that sparks outrage spasms on college campuses today tends to stuff like who gets to use what restroom and low-level administrators being insufficiently offended by halloween costumes.  

 
TobiasFunke said:
That's one way to put it. Here's another.
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Sure. I didn't mean to imply that anybody's constitutional rights were being violated by an angry mob of ####### yelling about their safe spaces being violated.

But that doesn't mean it is a good thing either.

And when the administrations of these universities become so compliant to the wishes of the sensitive few and the full weight of the instiutions begins to lean on people who want to voice unpopular opinions, at that point it is arguably a Constitutional issue.

 
My son is a budding SJW and when he hits college in a few years I imagine I'll be regaled with his and his friends protest stories and I'm also sure I'll cringe a little with the inanity of most of those incidents.  But I am equally positive my wife and I will talk about the exploits with pride when we are alone and thinking back to how we raised a son who knows to trust but verify, always question and never take anything at face value from anyone, even us.  

I look forward to that day.

 
TobiasFunke said:
That's one way to put it. Here's another.
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That's actually a very good representation of this point of view.  It seems to me that an increasingly large number of people really don't want to put up with or be around folks who are different from them.  You see that with folks like Trump on the right, and with the "safe space" mentality on the left.

Obviously I'm highly biased on this since I spend a good chunk of each day arguing with people around here, but I have a hard time relating to people who want to wall themselves off from everybody except their little in-group, which I guess qualifies as irony on some level.   

 
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In addition to the anti-draft demonstrations referenced by Ivan above, SJWs, in the Classic Tradition, are also somewhat to largely responsible for the end of Jim Crow, the recognition of greater civil liberties for gays and the coming legalization of marijuana. Yeah, we have to suffer some dooshbags to achieve the good stuff.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
Sure. I didn't mean to imply that anybody's constitutional rights were being violated by an angry mob of ####### yelling about their safe spaces being violated.

But that doesn't mean it is a good thing either.

And when the administrations of these universities become so compliant to the wishes of the sensitive few and the full weight of the instiutions begins to lean on people who want to voice unpopular opinions, at that point it is arguably a Constitutional issue.
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And besides, free speech isn't a good thing because it's in the constitution.  It's in the constitution because its a good thing.  I have huge problems with private universities who dis-invite speakers, for example, even though they're clearly within their rights to do so.  

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
Sure. I didn't mean to imply that anybody's constitutional rights were being violated by an angry mob of ####### yelling about their safe spaces being violated.

But that doesn't mean it is a good thing either.

And when the administrations of these universities become so compliant to the wishes of the sensitive few and the full weight of the instiutions begins to lean on people who want to voice unpopular opinions, at that point it is arguably a Constitutional issue.
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Sure.  And I'm fine with complaints about administrators making decisions like that. But complaining about college kids complaining, just on the theory that it might eventually lead to that?  Meh. We've got much bigger fish to fry when it comes to current trends in higher education. Stuff like this, for instance.

I'll worry about the undue influence exercised by a handful of campus activists over the path of academia after we address the undue influence exercised by a horde of right-wing legislators doing the bidding of wealthy donors in reshaping the entire curriculum.  First things first.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
I think we need a different name for these idiots. Even folks on the left such as Bill Maher have been critical of these clowns. They are extremists.
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Maher is not nearly the leftist people try to make him out to be.  One need to look no further than his stance on Islam to see that.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
People who try to shut down free speech based on the theories that underpin "safe spaces", "trigger warnings", etc. definitely do not want everyone to get a chance at a fair shake. They want to be protected from ideas they disagree with or dislike. 
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I disagree that they don't want a fair shake for people.  I don't agree with the methods they suggest, but they're suggesting that safe spaces and trigger warnings are how we give a fair shake to those who have been traumatized or otherwise damaged by the current societal structure, and that it evens the playing field against others.

I think those ideas are stupid, but I don't think they are rooted in attempting to create inequality - quite the opposite.

 
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