Thanks McB,Some passenger jet engines have some materials issues requiring inspection and maybe revision. RTX took a 500M charge against the issue.Why's it down so much today?RTX
Buy buy buy…..at the very minimum take a half position and see how it reacts to any downgrades tomorrow.
Great long term play here. Take advantage.
Getting beat up again today due to an engine kerfuffle, reducing pretax profit by $3-3.5 billion. If you think these are both just one (two) time blips, then this looks like a good opportunity. If you start worrying about governance concerns, then fair enough. I had governance concerns on EBS and BA but basically got told not to be a worrying Walter.
I don’t have the same concerns here as I did them, though. It’s on my watchlist for sure, now.
So is BA a good buy to bounce back?
Apologies if this was covered already
I think certain posters will automatically say yes and refer to it as a blue chip. They may be right. But the same leadership team is still in place through misstep after misstep so I personally want to see a change before considering them. I might miss a move up but there’s too many other options out there without the governance concerns.
Whistleblower getting suicided is definitely a buy signal. Clear skies ahead!Long term buy down here.Thoughts on BA, trading around $192?
I wouldn’t go near these guys until everyone is fired.
$SBUX is on my watchlist for Stock People Keep Calling Blue Chips That Are Actually Structurally Terrible, Possibly Forever
Previous inductees:
$INTC
$BA
$T
$VZ
$PFE
Boeing needs a complete regime change. Until they get some activists or something in there to clean house and bring in fresh blood at every level, the same people making the same mistakes will be the same people making the same mistakes. These are lessons that should have been learned if you stayed in $T or some other so-called blue chip who kept recycling the same people who made stupid decision after stupid decision.
I missed this - that's a great start!Thanks McB,
I did see that they hired a CEO from an outside source this year, which was part of my inquiry if this is a start of a possible turnaround and trying to gauge if this is close to a bottom for them. I'm a small fish and not putting tons in, but just looking for some possible deals if you will. Appreciate the input.
Thanks for this. I lost track of DEO after I sold a month ago on a modest gain. I'll look at it again post-So speaking of distressed.
DEO
I am down about 16% now on this staple. I am going to buy more down here.
Forward multiple is 16ish, currently yielding 3.5% and I see a long term price upside surprise of 30%.
I expect people to start drinking heavily again lol.
I love this, swung HUMANA last month for a quick gain and LW before that. I've been wanting to get 3X or 4x leverage on these lately by buying slightly in the money long term calls instead of shares. Obviously it carries more risk but it also carries roughly 4x reward which inspires me to do that. I assume that's off the table in todem's world but just wondering if that's a strategy you'd endorse for the more risk-tolerant....Tactical buying on distressed stocks is something I have been doing for over 35 years. Most of the time it has worked out really nice.There's a difference between buying a company still on the growth trajectory in a non-dying industry on bad news, and buying a distressed company that was formerly great, but is now in the late to final stages of its growth trajectory. One of those quotes I added up there was talking about RTX. They got bad news that punished the stock, but RTX also didn't have clear, longstanding problems underneath the bad news. Sometimes one-offs happen and that seemed to be the case with them.
Sometimes you get an IBM that turns it around, or a MSFT. But those turnarounds didn't happen overnight, and it took major shakeups for those to find their footing. I'm just saying I need to see some sort of major change at old stalwarts like T, BA, CSCO, etc. to see them as investable again.
@Studs & DudsExactly!!!!yeah, trading is a different thing altogether. Like when we all were trading BLMN back in the day - no way I'd buy it and forget it for 5-10 years, but trades, sure.I generally don’t disagree with you.There's a difference between buying a company still on the growth trajectory in a non-dying industry on bad news, and buying a distressed company that was formerly great, but is now in the late to final stages of its growth trajectory. One of those quotes I added up there was talking about RTX. They got bad news that punished the stock, but RTX also didn't have clear, longstanding problems underneath the bad news. Sometimes one-offs happen and that seemed to be the case with them.
Sometimes you get an IBM that turns it around, or a MSFT. But those turnarounds didn't happen overnight, and it took major shakeups for those to find their footing. I'm just saying I need to see some sort of major change at old stalwarts like T, BA, CSCO, etc. to see them as investable again.
But I just edited my post where I responded to you. Check out what I mean about T
Now when it comes to T and CSCO for example….when I see an emotional sell off on a fairly stable business that pays great dividends…..I get horny.
The yields and gains can be juicy over a longer holding period.
There's someone in my financial Twitter feed (Lauren Balik) who's been calling them a scam for months. She's been right more than wrong for the time I've been reading her. It was enough to make me avoid for the time being but I don't really have any real knowledge.ZETA has been on a ride all year, one I've been following as they're in the same space as my company (but I don't own any). But whoa what a fall the past two days! First apparently some disappointing earnings yesterday, and now today a short seller report on potential fraud. It was up over 300% on the year going into earnings yesterday, and now has given back over half of that in just 2 days.
It’s a great start unless this guy is a knucklehead tooI missed this - that's a great start!Thanks McB,
I did see that they hired a CEO from an outside source this year, which was part of my inquiry if this is a start of a possible turnaround and trying to gauge if this is close to a bottom for them. I'm a small fish and not putting tons in, but just looking for some possible deals if you will. Appreciate the input.
Sometimes when troubled companies bring in an outsider, they "kitchen sink" their first earnings report. Looks like they've had one bad report since he took the job, but it was pretty soon after he was hired. Next report is in January. I'd like to see them just dump everything they can out there, truly "kitchen sink" it. Just get all the bad news out there, admit their problems transparently, and articulate how things will change. I'd be encouraged. It's still part of a global duopoly.
Thanks for this one pecorino. Up 19% with it right now. Did you dump all of yours?I love this, swung HUMANA last month for a quick gain and LW before that. I've been wanting to get 3X or 4x leverage on these lately by buying slightly in the money long term calls instead of shares. Obviously it carries more risk but it also carries roughly 4x reward which inspires me to do that. I assume that's off the table in todem's world but just wondering if that's a strategy you'd endorse for the more risk-tolerant....Tactical buying on distressed stocks is something I have been doing for over 35 years. Most of the time it has worked out really nice.There's a difference between buying a company still on the growth trajectory in a non-dying industry on bad news, and buying a distressed company that was formerly great, but is now in the late to final stages of its growth trajectory. One of those quotes I added up there was talking about RTX. They got bad news that punished the stock, but RTX also didn't have clear, longstanding problems underneath the bad news. Sometimes one-offs happen and that seemed to be the case with them.
Sometimes you get an IBM that turns it around, or a MSFT. But those turnarounds didn't happen overnight, and it took major shakeups for those to find their footing. I'm just saying I need to see some sort of major change at old stalwarts like T, BA, CSCO, etc. to see them as investable again.
Sold LW. Humana will get called away on Friday. 20% and 10% respectively. Glad it worked out for you, too.Thanks for this one pecorino. Up 19% with it right now. Did you dump all of yours?I love this, swung HUMANA last month for a quick gain and LW before that. I've been wanting to get 3X or 4x leverage on these lately by buying slightly in the money long term calls instead of shares. Obviously it carries more risk but it also carries roughly 4x reward which inspires me to do that. I assume that's off the table in todem's world but just wondering if that's a strategy you'd endorse for the more risk-tolerant....Tactical buying on distressed stocks is something I have been doing for over 35 years. Most of the time it has worked out really nice.There's a difference between buying a company still on the growth trajectory in a non-dying industry on bad news, and buying a distressed company that was formerly great, but is now in the late to final stages of its growth trajectory. One of those quotes I added up there was talking about RTX. They got bad news that punished the stock, but RTX also didn't have clear, longstanding problems underneath the bad news. Sometimes one-offs happen and that seemed to be the case with them.
Sometimes you get an IBM that turns it around, or a MSFT. But those turnarounds didn't happen overnight, and it took major shakeups for those to find their footing. I'm just saying I need to see some sort of major change at old stalwarts like T, BA, CSCO, etc. to see them as investable again.
Congrats on that one for her. I was kind of looking long for Humana. It doesn’t sound like you are? Not a believer?Sold LW. Humana will get called away on Friday. 20% and 10% respectively. Glad it worked out for you, too.Thanks for this one pecorino. Up 19% with it right now. Did you dump all of yours?I love this, swung HUMANA last month for a quick gain and LW before that. I've been wanting to get 3X or 4x leverage on these lately by buying slightly in the money long term calls instead of shares. Obviously it carries more risk but it also carries roughly 4x reward which inspires me to do that. I assume that's off the table in todem's world but just wondering if that's a strategy you'd endorse for the more risk-tolerant....Tactical buying on distressed stocks is something I have been doing for over 35 years. Most of the time it has worked out really nice.There's a difference between buying a company still on the growth trajectory in a non-dying industry on bad news, and buying a distressed company that was formerly great, but is now in the late to final stages of its growth trajectory. One of those quotes I added up there was talking about RTX. They got bad news that punished the stock, but RTX also didn't have clear, longstanding problems underneath the bad news. Sometimes one-offs happen and that seemed to be the case with them.
Sometimes you get an IBM that turns it around, or a MSFT. But those turnarounds didn't happen overnight, and it took major shakeups for those to find their footing. I'm just saying I need to see some sort of major change at old stalwarts like T, BA, CSCO, etc. to see them as investable again.
Actually, the LW trade is interesting. When it was $55, I bought four long terms calls. My wife got wind of the trade and wanted to devote some of her Roth to it so she bought 100 shares. By that point, the calls were barely up like 5% but I sold them since my wife had bought the shares. She sold at $75. She made $2000. I would have made more than $6000...
I’m a bit worried about it being tied to government plans so I’m not a long term holder. I bought at $230 in early August and immediately sold a November $260 call so it’s gone tomorrow. +$3800 in 6 weeks, I’ll take it.Congrats on that one for her. I was kind of looking long for Humana. It doesn’t sound like you are? Not a believer?Sold LW. Humana will get called away on Friday. 20% and 10% respectively. Glad it worked out for you, too.Thanks for this one pecorino. Up 19% with it right now. Did you dump all of yours?I love this, swung HUMANA last month for a quick gain and LW before that. I've been wanting to get 3X or 4x leverage on these lately by buying slightly in the money long term calls instead of shares. Obviously it carries more risk but it also carries roughly 4x reward which inspires me to do that. I assume that's off the table in todem's world but just wondering if that's a strategy you'd endorse for the more risk-tolerant....Tactical buying on distressed stocks is something I have been doing for over 35 years. Most of the time it has worked out really nice.There's a difference between buying a company still on the growth trajectory in a non-dying industry on bad news, and buying a distressed company that was formerly great, but is now in the late to final stages of its growth trajectory. One of those quotes I added up there was talking about RTX. They got bad news that punished the stock, but RTX also didn't have clear, longstanding problems underneath the bad news. Sometimes one-offs happen and that seemed to be the case with them.
Sometimes you get an IBM that turns it around, or a MSFT. But those turnarounds didn't happen overnight, and it took major shakeups for those to find their footing. I'm just saying I need to see some sort of major change at old stalwarts like T, BA, CSCO, etc. to see them as investable again.
Actually, the LW trade is interesting. When it was $55, I bought four long terms calls. My wife got wind of the trade and wanted to devote some of her Roth to it so she bought 100 shares. By that point, the calls were barely up like 5% but I sold them since my wife had bought the shares. She sold at $75. She made $2000. I would have made more than $6000...
Note that he didn’t actually get paid in crypto. The Panthers have him a check like everyone else. I’m assuming they also took out taxes and such. The articlesInteresting. Man, that's a long 4 years, where he, or his advisors (hell, his wife or family even, you never know) could have got him out of that investment just to make sure he didn't get decimated. A rocky road like that, especially with what is a newer financial "vehicle", will often have people waving the white flag.OT Russell Okung got paid half his contract in bitcoin.GBTC is the gold standard for btc exposure.
I'll do a full write up by morning with everything crypto related that makes up my portfolio and watch list for reference.
May we all be prosperous!![]()
Would love to know what price he got it at, any idea? Could've been anywhere from 20K to 40K, looking at prices from mid-December to mid Jan. That's a huge difference. If he got it towards the latter, one could argue he would've have done better (for now) with a solid basket of tech-heavy stocks, along with much less risk. Although if he got it closer to 20K, then not so much.
Ballsy move, either way.
never mention that.
He had to buy bitcoin himself using the net $$$s he was paid. Would be interesting to know if and when he got in and if he got out.
Note that he didn’t actually get paid in crypto. The Panthers have him a check like everyone else. I’m assuming they also took out taxes and such. The articles never mention that.Interesting. Man, that's a long 4 years, where he, or his advisors (hell, his wife or family even, you never know) could have got him out of that investment just to make sure he didn't get decimated. A rocky road like that, especially with what is a newer financial "vehicle", will often have people waving the white flag.OT Russell Okung got paid half his contract in bitcoin.GBTC is the gold standard for btc exposure.
I'll do a full write up by morning with everything crypto related that makes up my portfolio and watch list for reference.
May we all be prosperous!![]()
Would love to know what price he got it at, any idea? Could've been anywhere from 20K to 40K, looking at prices from mid-December to mid Jan. That's a huge difference. If he got it towards the latter, one could argue he would've have done better (for now) with a solid basket of tech-heavy stocks, along with much less risk. Although if he got it closer to 20K, then not so much.
Ballsy move, either way.
He had to buy bitcoin himself using the net $$$s he was paid. Would be interesting to know if and when he got in and if he got out.
As a Panthers fan, I know that it was discussed and the Panthers said they are not paying Okung in bitcoin. Getting bitcoin for his salary was on Okung. No idea on Odell and the Rams, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they wired/sent him cash and then he buys or automatically buys bitcoin. Every article way back when on Okung said he got paid in bitcoin and that wasn’t correct and the Panthers corrected it, but you know how the news works. The initial stories get out, become truth and it’s rare that a correction gets any traction.Note that he didn’t actually get paid in crypto. The Panthers have him a check like everyone else. I’m assuming they also took out taxes and such. The articlesInteresting. Man, that's a long 4 years, where he, or his advisors (hell, his wife or family even, you never know) could have got him out of that investment just to make sure he didn't get decimated. A rocky road like that, especially with what is a newer financial "vehicle", will often have people waving the white flag.OT Russell Okung got paid half his contract in bitcoin.GBTC is the gold standard for btc exposure.
I'll do a full write up by morning with everything crypto related that makes up my portfolio and watch list for reference.
May we all be prosperous!![]()
Would love to know what price he got it at, any idea? Could've been anywhere from 20K to 40K, looking at prices from mid-December to mid Jan. That's a huge difference. If he got it towards the latter, one could argue he would've have done better (for now) with a solid basket of tech-heavy stocks, along with much less risk. Although if he got it closer to 20K, then not so much.
Ballsy move, either way.
never mention that.
He had to buy bitcoin himself using the net $$$s he was paid. Would be interesting to know if and when he got in and if he got out.
Note that he didn’t actually get paid in crypto. The Panthers have him a check like everyone else. I’m assuming they also took out taxes and such. The articles never mention that.Interesting. Man, that's a long 4 years, where he, or his advisors (hell, his wife or family even, you never know) could have got him out of that investment just to make sure he didn't get decimated. A rocky road like that, especially with what is a newer financial "vehicle", will often have people waving the white flag.OT Russell Okung got paid half his contract in bitcoin.GBTC is the gold standard for btc exposure.
I'll do a full write up by morning with everything crypto related that makes up my portfolio and watch list for reference.
May we all be prosperous!![]()
Would love to know what price he got it at, any idea? Could've been anywhere from 20K to 40K, looking at prices from mid-December to mid Jan. That's a huge difference. If he got it towards the latter, one could argue he would've have done better (for now) with a solid basket of tech-heavy stocks, along with much less risk. Although if he got it closer to 20K, then not so much.
Ballsy move, either way.
He had to buy bitcoin himself using the net $$$s he was paid. Would be interesting to know if and when he got in and if he got out.
I'm not so sure of this. Odell said his contract with the rams was paid to him in bitcoin directly through cash app.
This one is going well. Too bad @General Malaise didn't tail this one. (don't worry, NICE will be fine eventually.)Started an $APP position over the last couple of days.![]()
Not even remotely worried on NICE.![]()
Hey @General Malaise - not sure if you’re still holding $NICE but it’s back to where it was when we were talking about it, maybe even a little higher. They report on Thursday. I’m selling out with my modest gains beforehand and moving the proceeds elsewhere. I’m sure it’ll be fine but market sentiment just isn’t there for it like I want and there’s higher conviction plays I want to add to.
This one is going well. Too bad @General Malaise didn't tail this one. (don't worry, NICE will be fine eventually.)Started an $APP position over the last couple of days.![]()
Not even remotely worried on NICE.![]()
Hey @General Malaise - not sure if you’re still holding $NICE but it’s back to where it was when we were talking about it, maybe even a little higher. They report on Thursday. I’m selling out with my modest gains beforehand and moving the proceeds elsewhere. I’m sure it’ll be fine but market sentiment just isn’t there for it like I want and there’s higher conviction plays I want to add to.
Well, you did try to warn me. Jesus christ.....
I know, that's what I mean! The business isn't doing anything wrong but Wall St. for whatever reason just hates it. I'm not sure if it's because it's an Israeli company or what.This one is going well. Too bad @General Malaise didn't tail this one. (don't worry, NICE will be fine eventually.)Started an $APP position over the last couple of days.![]()
Not even remotely worried on NICE.![]()
Hey @General Malaise - not sure if you’re still holding $NICE but it’s back to where it was when we were talking about it, maybe even a little higher. They report on Thursday. I’m selling out with my modest gains beforehand and moving the proceeds elsewhere. I’m sure it’ll be fine but market sentiment just isn’t there for it like I want and there’s higher conviction plays I want to add to.
Well, you did try to warn me. Jesus christ.....
And it was a GOOD report! Beat consensus earnings, guided higher, all rosy and positive.
I'm going to give it some time to breathe before I do anything but I want less circus and uncertainty in my life moving forward. Maybe I should get into these bitcoins or something.
Based on their full year earnings, their PE looks to be around 16/17, which seems low. I’ve been watching it but never bought any.I know, that's what I mean! The business isn't doing anything wrong but Wall St. for whatever reason just hates it. I'm not sure if it's because it's an Israeli company or what.This one is going well. Too bad @General Malaise didn't tail this one. (don't worry, NICE will be fine eventually.)Started an $APP position over the last couple of days.![]()
Not even remotely worried on NICE.![]()
Hey @General Malaise - not sure if you’re still holding $NICE but it’s back to where it was when we were talking about it, maybe even a little higher. They report on Thursday. I’m selling out with my modest gains beforehand and moving the proceeds elsewhere. I’m sure it’ll be fine but market sentiment just isn’t there for it like I want and there’s higher conviction plays I want to add to.
Well, you did try to warn me. Jesus christ.....
And it was a GOOD report! Beat consensus earnings, guided higher, all rosy and positive.
I'm going to give it some time to breathe before I do anything but I want less circus and uncertainty in my life moving forward. Maybe I should get into these bitcoins or something.
Lord......buying opportunities are going to happen.Defense stocks getting hit because presumably D.O.G.E is going to eliminate the military industrial complex with their magic scissors.
what are some of the stocks to look at?Lord......buying opportunities are going to happen.Defense stocks getting hit because presumably D.O.G.E is going to eliminate the military industrial complex with their magic scissors.
The Military Industrial Complex is bigger than D.O.G.E.
They eliminated JFK.....you think they give a **** what these two guys say?
LMT, RTXwhat are some of the stocks to look at?Lord......buying opportunities are going to happen.Defense stocks getting hit because presumably D.O.G.E is going to eliminate the military industrial complex with their magic scissors.
The Military Industrial Complex is bigger than D.O.G.E.
They eliminated JFK.....you think they give a **** what these two guys say?
Throwing out $LDOS to go with these for those more growth-minded. Got whacked pretty good today but it's still up 60% in the past year (which might explain why it's more beaten up today than others).LMT, RTXwhat are some of the stocks to look at?Lord......buying opportunities are going to happen.Defense stocks getting hit because presumably D.O.G.E is going to eliminate the military industrial complex with their magic scissors.
The Military Industrial Complex is bigger than D.O.G.E.
They eliminated JFK.....you think they give a **** what these two guys say?
Not just yet though.
When we talked about RTX a while back it has gone up 47% since.
LMT is up 23% YTD.
There is no panic at all yet on these defense giants.
MRNA under $40 with recent news. Still watching it but as a long term buy, I’m getting an itchy trigger.Been watching MRNA absolutely crater for the past six months, losing 75% of its value (and 90% of its value from the all-time high in 2021). Trading at $43 and I'm still not interested in catching this falling knife. However, there must be a support level but I cannot find it. Hasn't traded below $50 since before Covid when it was a fairly new name. I'm keeping an eye out for a bottom. Anyone with insight?
Yeah - my company got torched today. This tidbit is interesting as I saw an interview with Hegseth where he was talking about the exact opposite and particularly about China, their buildup, and the threat that poses.Defense stocks getting hit because presumably D.O.G.E is going to eliminate the military industrial complex with their magic scissors.
$22.11 on December 12 last year. Near 3x.PalantirI need a stock suggestion. Looking for something that could 3x within a year or straight fall on its face and be worth next to nothing.
Any suggestions?
On days like today, I remind myself that I don't have to enjoy the volatility, I just have to survive it. And note that my two financials haven't been dragged into the red, yet.No joy in Mudville this week.
Still a great year though! If you promised me this for 2025 i'd be ecstatic.On days like today, I remind myself that I don't have to enjoy the volatility, I just have to survive it. And note that my two financials haven't been dragged into the red, yet.No joy in Mudville this week.
was contemplating getting more, but only at 3% cash right now and going to see if we have any sales coming up in the near future.Nvda earnings next week. We’ll be seeing some fireworks one way or the other.
I've made some cash contributions to a 401K earlier this month, so hopefully I'll be buying things on sale next week.
This is a nice spot to add more. As they keep bringing down interest rates that will do even better.@Todem -
Thoughts on GCV? I've done good on it due to a recommendation of yours a long while ago. Is this one a buy at this price or is it best to stay out of this one at this point?
Oil drillers and oil platformsChina's weak economy and record US production will lead to a surplus of one million barrels of oil a day next year, IEA says
So potentially lower US Oil profits? What would the play be here if any?
And in before the little man takes credit for gas prices dropping.
I wondered about this. Looked at RIG, VAL, etc. and they're all dead fish even with the election result. The market doesn't see it.Oil drillers and oil platformsChina's weak economy and record US production will lead to a surplus of one million barrels of oil a day next year, IEA says
So potentially lower US Oil profits? What would the play be here if any?
And in before the little man takes credit for gas prices dropping.
And a stock I had traded successfully a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
HP
Helmrich and Payne. Pure drill baby drill play.
Looks cheap down here.
If they do at some point you are in before the street.I wondered about this. Looked at RIG, VAL, etc. and they're all dead fish even with the election result. The market doesn't see it.Oil drillers and oil platformsChina's weak economy and record US production will lead to a surplus of one million barrels of oil a day next year, IEA says
So potentially lower US Oil profits? What would the play be here if any?
And in before the little man takes credit for gas prices dropping.
And a stock I had traded successfully a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
HP
Helmrich and Payne. Pure drill baby drill play.
Looks cheap down here.
Don't know enough, to be honest.If they do at some point you are in before the street.I wondered about this. Looked at RIG, VAL, etc. and they're all dead fish even with the election result. The market doesn't see it.Oil drillers and oil platformsChina's weak economy and record US production will lead to a surplus of one million barrels of oil a day next year, IEA says
So potentially lower US Oil profits? What would the play be here if any?
And in before the little man takes credit for gas prices dropping.
And a stock I had traded successfully a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
HP
Helmrich and Payne. Pure drill baby drill play.
Looks cheap down here.
The real question is do you believe.
Depends when he plans on using it I guess. Is this money for college or is this his future retirement fund?Liquidating my almost 16 year old son's assets (almost 10k in ibonds) and moving to something under my name so it won't kill him on the fafsa/student aid.
looking for something with low/moderate risk...so s&p index fund???
no immediate plans.Depends when he plans on using it I guess. Is this money for college or is this his future retirement fund?Liquidating my almost 16 year old son's assets (almost 10k in ibonds) and moving to something under my name so it won't kill him on the fafsa/student aid.
looking for something with low/moderate risk...so s&p index fund???
I think the SP500 is a good choice for most peopleno immediate plans.Depends when he plans on using it I guess. Is this money for college or is this his future retirement fund?Liquidating my almost 16 year old son's assets (almost 10k in ibonds) and moving to something under my name so it won't kill him on the fafsa/student aid.
looking for something with low/moderate risk...so s&p index fund???