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What are some good inverse ETF plays for SPY/QQQ/DOW stuff? I'm currently still in TAIL a bit but looking for better options. 

Preferably nothing TOO wild 
Why not just short one futures contract if you believe the move is down? There is no how is this correlated like TVIX... 1 point equals $5 dollars on YM (which is the DJIA). 

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I also believe there are mini futures as well, which would be $2.50 a point.

 
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These numbers would line up almost exactly with mine on multiple time frames.  Quite interesting.  We'll see how it plays out.
Are you joining the "we've seen the floor" camp and seeing a bullish shift? 

Thoughts on market's reaction to "pain to come" (Deaths/extended shutdown/economic dip)? 
 

 
If the S&P rallies to $2,750 - $2.780, I'd think that is the ultimate gift for bears and I'll be shorting with two fists there. Also, while I still have confidence in my 22,500 on the DJIA, I think we overextend a little, I'll take position 1 at 22,500 and position 2 at 23,000 (which should line up with those 2,750 targets).

Also,  weeks ago Gundlach said a rebound to 2,700 is in cards.

 
CCL up 25% seems to make zero sense.  Have to imagine that sells off soon

Delta the only airline down, due to WB selling some shares.  

 
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Here is a huge problem.....

A broad coalition of mortgage and finance industry leaders on Saturday sent a plea to federal regulators, asking for desperately needed cash to keep the mortgage system running, as requests from borrowers for the federal mortgage forbearance program are pouring in at an alarming rate.

The Cares Act mandates that all borrowers with government-backed mortgages—about 62% of all first lien mortgages according to Urban Institute—be allowed to delay at least 90 days of monthly payments and possibly up to a year’s worth.

Those payments would then have to be made at a later time through a payment plan. Servicers are granting the payment deferrals to borrowers with no questions asked, as is required by the law, but the servicers still have to pay mortgage bond holders.

In normal times, they have enough to cover these payments, and, in fact, at the end of last year the mortgage delinquency rate was near a record low, according to CoreLogic. Now that rate is skyrocketing, and servicers do not have nearly enough cash to cover those payments to bondholders. —Diana Olick
People get an extension to pay their mortgage, but the servicers still have to pay the investors.  The servicers are going to run out of cash.

 
Housing market feels like it teetering on a crash to me. Government is going to try and prop it up for as long as possible but the bills are going to eventually come due. 

 
CCL up 25% seems to make zero sense.  Have to imagine that sells off soon

Delta the only airline down, due to WB selling some shares.  
The Saudi’s just bought 9% of Carnival.  It started up today but went bonkers after this news was announced.  They got the $$ to do a complete buyout if they wanted the whole company.

 
The Saudi’s just bought 9% of Carnival.  It started up today but went bonkers after this news was announced.  They got the $$ to do a complete buyout if they wanted the whole company.
The Shorts came in to cover on the news. 

 
Nice day so far today.  With that said, S&P 500 still down 19% for the year.  

In past viruses the market started to climb once the number of new daily cases peaked.  Some positive news on the virus front lately is helping the market.
Only difference is that the past ones didn't wreck the economy. In fact nothing has wrecked the economy like this has. Sooo.........Buy BUy BUY!!!!!!!

 
Here is a huge problem.....

People get an extension to pay their mortgage, but the servicers still have to pay the investors.  The servicers are going to run out of cash.
Our government at work here. Sure.....give forbearance to anyone......you don’t need to prove you lost your job.

Brilliant. Just brilliant.

This will be back tracked ASAP or there will be huge consequences to pay. 

 
The Saudi’s just bought 9% of Carnival.  It started up today but went bonkers after this news was announced.  They got the $$ to do a complete buyout if they wanted the whole company.
The joke is on investors when the crown prince turns their fleet of ships into his unicorn stables.

 
Our government at work here. Sure.....give forbearance to anyone......you don’t need to prove you lost your job.

Brilliant. Just brilliant.

This will be back tracked ASAP or there will be huge consequences to pay. 
But why would somebody do this if they didn’t lose your job? You still have to pay it back. Now if they said yea you can take 3 months off and re-start in July, people are going to jump on. 

 
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Are you joining the "we've seen the floor" camp and seeing a bullish shift? 

Thoughts on market's reaction to "pain to come" (Deaths/extended shutdown/economic dip)? 
 
We are likely to move back in to the LT channel after today (assuming no end of day sell off).  On the LT trend I would consider it neutral.  Leaning heavily towards bearish.  I've said many times over the years that the LT trend would (should) take a number of months to flip trend.  There was heavy damage done last month.  In addition, the natural reaction early in a trend flip would be a move back towards the highs (or what is now considered resistance (back in Feb these levels were support).  It is very common to see massive bull moves within a bear market too.  A move towards $SPY $278ish would be very natural.  What happens when we get there?  If you are asking me, the person, This is my speculation nothing more, except relating to how trends and markets work.

I would lean that the LT trend is likely to flip in the next month or 2.  The next bearish trend would last for some time. How long?  Probably a lot longer than most of you are thinking.  How long until we get back to the old highs?  Probably a lot longer than most of you guys are thinking.  I think some of the companies you guys are talking about will be BIG winners coming out of this over the next 12-24 months.  I also think some of the companies you guys are talking about will be BIG losers coming out of this too.

Understand - In Jan 2020, the $XYZ Company might have been trading at $100. And today it is trading at $50.  Just because it was trading at $100, doesn't mean it was actually worth $100.  Nor does it mean that once this is over that it will once again be trading at $100.  The true value of $XYZ might actually be $25 or maybe even $0. At some point in time price and value meet.

I've spent a good amount of time over the past weeks seeking Value.  Even at these prices it isn't easy to come by.  For instance, in a scan of all companies in the SP500 done last week, I found only 36 that are under-valued measured by traditional value metrics.  Remember Fundamentals tell you what to buy and Technicals tell you when to buy it.

Back in Mid-Feb when I sent out the $GYPR - I mentioned that fair value was $SPY at $280ish.  And that was BEFORE accounting for a Current and Post Pandemic World.

What happens next?  I honestly am not smart enough to know the future.  The LT Trend hasn't confirmed a flip...but I think it is probable in the next month or 2.  I'm leaning cautious and been writing puts myself - looking for value and trend to come together.  It's a different approach than most.

 
But why would somebody do this if they didn’t lose your job? You still have to pay it back. Now if they said yea you can take 3 months off and re-start in July, people are going to jump on. 
Because they can. People will try to take advantage of anything when it comes to money when they can. So they know they will just attach the payments on the back end....but hey...I have an additional (insert amount here) a month for the next 6 months....yaaay. 

And that will stress the Mortgage service industry incredibly bad. This was not thought through and they have to make people prove hardship. 

It is really incredible. 

 
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Not gonna lie, I could totally go for the sirloin special at Outback with a loaded baked potato, Caesar salad and a frosty cold IPA in their tall mugs.  Never thought I'd be saying I miss Outback, but here I am.  Have been maybe twice in the last 10 years.

 
Because they can. People will try to take advantage of anything when it comes to money when they can. So they know they will just attach the payments on the back end....but hey...I have an additional (insert amount here) a month for the next 6 months....yaaay. 

And that will stress the Mortgage service industry incredibly bad. This was not thought through and they have to make people prove hardship. 

It is really incredible. 
I thought you had to pay it back after the period though? So you’d have to pay your April payment in August or whatever. They’re just adding them to the backend of your note?

 
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Because they can. People will try to take advantage of anything when it comes to money when they can. So they know they will just attach the payments on the back end....but hey...I have an additional (insert amount here) a month for the next 6 months....yaaay. 

And that will stress the Mortgage service industry incredibly bad. This was not throughs through and they have to make people prove hardship. 

It is really incredible. 
You sure the interest is not still accruing?  For work our personal banker emailed me and said we did have to pay our loans for 3 months.  I asked her if the juice was still running during that time and she said yes.  

And as for bailouts for small businesses.  The paycheck protection program will start paying out this week.  We will get about million we won't have to pay back because we are keeping everyone employed. 

 
I thought you had to pay it back after the period though? So you’d have to pay your April payment in August or whatever. They’re just adding them to the backend of your note?
Correct. No way you can ask people for a lump sum like that! They are supposedly unemployed! This is why this payment forbearance was not thought out properly. 

They need to retract the terms quickly. You need to prove you lost your job and source of income. Period. 

 
Correct. No way you can ask people for a lump sum like that! They are supposedly unemployed! This is why this payment forbearance was not thought out properly. 

They need to retract the terms quickly. You need to prove you lost your job and source of income. Period. 
Wow. I didn’t know that. My nephew lost his side job but kept his main one and they gave him 3 months relief. I was wondering why he even bothered. 

 
Maybe I held too much cash for too long. I keep thinking we are going to have another leg down coming.
Patience. I only have 33% in right now riding this wave back up. This is not over. Major short covering. When we get high enough, they will come back and short it back down.

50% retracement is in the mix and that is higher. Bear market rallies look like this.

 
Patience. I only have 33% in right now riding this wave back up. This is not over. Major short covering. When we get high enough, they will come back and short it back down.

50% retracement is in the mix and that is higher. Bear market rallies look like this.
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From a fundamental standpoint what would be some good entry points for SPY / QQQ?

SPY Low/Current: 218 / 263
QQQ Low/Current 164 / 194

When you say 50% retrace, are we looking at drops to halfway between low and current? So, ~240ish / 180ish? 
 

 
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I've added Ulta to my shopping list. I've got such a massive list, trying to figure out how I'm going to enter and split it up.

I keep flip flopping on one tranche and DCA, really can't decide. I'm not in a huge rush and really just making some swing trades for now. What is the S&P down now, 23% or so from its highs? Given what we know about the economy, P/E right now is prob in the gazillions, under normal circumstances, we might be slightly undervalued here, right now, we're still grossly overvalued.

Wake me up when we have an idea of what the E equals, and I'll start adding around 12-13, on the ride to a low of 10ish, imo. 

 
I thought you had to pay it back after the period though? So you’d have to pay your April payment in August or whatever. They’re just adding them to the backend of your note?


Correct. No way you can ask people for a lump sum like that! They are supposedly unemployed! This is why this payment forbearance was not thought out properly. 

They need to retract the terms quickly. You need to prove you lost your job and source of income. Period. 
You do have to pay it all back in month four. If you can’t, they will open up discussions about various options.  The servicers can’t afford to float the whole country 3 months in payments. It already takes them close to 3 years of you making your payments until they are in the green

 
Patience. I only have 33% in right now riding this wave back up. This is not over. Major short covering. When we get high enough, they will come back and short it back down.

50% retracement is in the mix and that is higher. Bear market rallies look like this.
So for a guy not in the charts, where do you think we get up to? I’m trying to figure out if I should see a bit right not to get my cash level up more or wait a few more days. I don’t plan on going 100% cash as I have some stocks that have done well the past month but some I wouldn’t mind selling and buying back at levels around 3/16 to 3/23 or below.

 
From a fundamental standpoint what would be some good entry points for SPY / QQQ 

SPY Low/Current: 218 / 263
QQQ Low/Current 164 / 194

When you say 50% retrace, are we looking at drops to halfway between low and current? ~240ish / 180ish? 
 
The biggest issue with measuring fundamentals right now is that we really don't know where companies are. We have no clue what the E in P/E is... Once we figure that out, then we can start figuring out fundamental entrances.

@siffoin, curious how you're looking at fundamentals with so many unknowns right now?

 
Weird times. That was either the quickest time to investor indifference or I'm hanging with a lot of smart people. I don't know many people, here included, jumping back in with both feet and almost everyone seems to say we need to retest the lows. 

I mean taking out the more technical side of things, just on the fundamental side, it seems like there are way more risks to the downside still. Perhaps everything goes well and the lows are behind us but seems like we still have a lot to get through. 

 

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