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JPMorgan’s Kolanovic, who called market turn, says investors should bet on sunshine killing virus

If this is really the best we have. This is when insider buying and analysts are useless. Much rather listen to a pandemic expert than an Equity strategist. I mean I'm sure he spoke to experts but still seems pretty asinine. 
My question, and I don't think anyone can answer this, if this notion of "sunshine killing the virus," why are cases in Florida and Georgia going up? To my knowledge, those states are warmer and sunnier than New York and Michigan. That sunshine notion makes zero sense.

 
Canadian oil companies are being propped up by the Canadian gov't. At a certain point, oil will turn around, and the supply destruction in the US is going to be tremendous. I think I read that US production may drop 25% this year. I'm still sifting through the Canadian players' balance sheets to ensure that they will be able to weather the storm. But the ones that emerge will be able to take advantage of the carnage.
But can't the US prop up our oil industry? I'm not an oil expert but I thought the Saudis learned how resilient US shale is. Or do you think this is finally when creditors come calling?

 
I just don't understand why people do this?  So looking for an explanation. Why would anyone sell Amazon?  I mean this company is the best and could be $4,000 a share someday. Seems like the best go long investment. Why play around?
Because I’ve always been able to buy back at a lower price. Also I have a limited amount of funds and need the proceeds to purchase other stocks that I think have more upside

 
But can't the US prop up our oil industry? I'm not an oil expert but I thought the Saudis learned how resilient US shale is. Or do you think this is finally when creditors come calling?
I'm not an expert either by any means, but got interested in the oil space because of my substantial Tanker position.

Too politicized. Don't think the Dems will sign off on an oil bailout, not when the companies were levering themselves for buybacks and executive bonuses.

 
We are on opposite sides of this trade. I fully expect $USO to implode and possibly go to zero when the June contracts roll into the July contracts May 5. Currently holding put options against $USO. The contango is eating away at the NAV and there isn't any physical storage for the physical crude at Cushing.
What is a put worth if a stock issue like this goes to zero?  

 
I just don't understand why people do this?  So looking for an explanation. Why would anyone sell Amazon?  I mean this company is the best and could be $4,000 a share someday. Seems like the best go long investment. Why play around?
Only reason I can see is you want to take profits now because you think their report will tank Thursday and you want to buy back on Friday. 

 
What is a put worth if a stock issue like this goes to zero?  
The contract for 5/15 was $0.396 at the time I purchased it. Each contract is 100 shares, so the contract was $39.60. If $USO is dunzo prior to the expiry, the profit is $310.40/contract ($3.50 * 100 - $39.60). This assumes no commissions on the trade.

Couldn't believe it when I saw it. Talk about asymetric returns.

 
Fwiw I think their report hits big Thursday but hoooo boy I’ve been wrong on that before. 
Problem with Amazon is they don’t really care sometimes like the last few quarters where they took a hit to profit because they wanted to setup the one day delivery. It was a very smart thing that they did based on CV and way more people getting stuff delivered but at the time the stock took some hits even though they said it would hit the bottom line. Long term they want to have a higher stock price and growth but as you said you never know with them quarter to quarter.

 
You can sell $1.5 USO May 29 puts for $0.51;  same in October are $0.65

Would you buy oil for $0.99/bbl$
Bossman loves writing puts. I could see him dabbling with this. Percent-wise, those are extremely rich premiums for an option trader with titanium ####.

 
Problem with Amazon is they don’t really care sometimes like the last few quarters where they took a hit to profit because they wanted to setup the one day delivery. It was a very smart thing that they did based on CV and way more people getting stuff delivered but at the time the stock took some hits even though they said it would hit the bottom line. Long term they want to have a higher stock price and growth but as you said you never know with them quarter to quarter.
Yea it’s always a curveball. Reallllllllly satisfies that gambling desire though. 

 
Not a good idea after talking to my friend who's a long/short energy trader for a hedge fund.  
When I was picking up lunch I had CNBC radio on. They said if you put $10,000 in USO when it was started, maybe 2006ish I can’t remember, it would be worth $600 today. 

 
When I was picking up lunch I had CNBC radio on. They said if you put $10,000 in USO when it was started, maybe 2006ish I can’t remember, it would be worth $600 today. 
As it should be, oil was $60-$70 then.  

 
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Oil was $60-$70 then.  
I think any of these future ETFs likely lose money over time. They shouldn't be held forever, otherwise you're just paying theta to the banks. 

I mean look at the VIX options, if you were long VXY in October 2011, it'd be worth essentially 0. If you went short (SVXY) the VIX, you'd only be up 30% and that is assuming you didn't get stomped out during the blowup last year. Not sure if that impacted the return, just looked at the SVXY chart but these instruments weren't meant to be held and are pretty much sucker bets for retail investors. 

 
I think any of these future ETFs likely lose money over time. They shouldn't be held forever, otherwise you're just paying theta to the banks. 

I mean look at the VIX options, if you were long VXY in October 2011, it'd be worth essentially 0. If you went short (SVXY) the VIX, you'd only be up 30% and that is assuming you didn't get stomped out during the blowup last year. Not sure if that impacted the return, just looked at the SVXY chart but these instruments weren't meant to be held and are pretty much sucker bets for retail investors. 
Just using his numbers, the ETF is down 95% as is the underlying "asset".

 
I think any of these future ETFs likely lose money over time. They shouldn't be held forever, otherwise you're just paying theta to the banks. 

I mean look at the VIX options, if you were long VXY in October 2011, it'd be worth essentially 0. If you went short (SVXY) the VIX, you'd only be up 30% and that is assuming you didn't get stomped out during the blowup last year. Not sure if that impacted the return, just looked at the SVXY chart but these instruments weren't meant to be held and are pretty much sucker bets for retail investors. 
Like other ETFs, especially leverages ones, my "long" is holding a few days, maybe a week or so but its painful.  Never months or years.    

 
What is his reasoning? Obviously is hugely risky. 
Guess I don't see the put-writing as "hugely risky." Let's say you sell 10 puts at $0.51 for May 29 expiry at a strike price of $1.50. You're risking $1500 (that's what it would cost you if the thing goes to zero) and you're getting $500 premium up-front. The most you can lose is $1000 and you stand to gain $500. That's a 50% ROI for six weeks. The key unknown is the probability that USO goes to zero (and maybe that's a guarantee, I have no idea) but if there is a decent chance it does not go to zero then you're certainly getting a good return. Do ETFs go to zero? The article that was linked implies that it can. 

 
Guess I don't see the put-writing as "hugely risky." Let's say you sell 10 puts at $0.51 for May 29 expiry at a strike price of $1.50. You're risking $1500 (that's what it would cost you if the thing goes to zero) and you're getting $500 premium up-front. The most you can lose is $1000 and you stand to gain $500. That's a 50% ROI for six weeks. The key unknown is the probability that USO goes to zero (and maybe that's a guarantee, I have no idea) but if there is a decent chance it does not go to zero then you're certainly getting a good return. Do ETFs go to zero? The article that was linked implies that it can. 
The tweet did too (asking for >100% collateral) 

 
Like other ETFs, especially leverages ones, my "long" is holding a few days, maybe a week or so but its painful.  Never months or years.    
Well that was smart just trying to help other folks out. I had a buddy who wanted to buy UCO yesterday. Could have lit 50% of his money on fire and it'd be more fun. 

It's just holding VXY, USO, or pretty much any ETF with a future is much different than holding SPY or QQQ. And a lot of people just see oil is single digits and needs to go up so they look to invest and figure USO must go up when in reality, the market is already pricing in $20-$30 oil in the future. 

 
At expiration, put is worth is strike price.  Calls are worthless.


The contract for 5/15 was $0.396 at the time I purchased it. Each contract is 100 shares, so the contract was $39.60. If $USO is dunzo prior to the expiry, the profit is $310.40/contract ($3.50 * 100 - $39.60). This assumes no commissions on the trade.

Couldn't believe it when I saw it. Talk about asymetric returns.


How do you buy the 100 shares to sell at the put strike price if USO no longer exists?

 
USO now saying it will invest in other contracts which will probably extend its life.
Agreed. When they rolled the contracts to August they destroyed even more NAV when they moved up the futures curve. But I'm sure the retail investors don't know/care about that.

 
How do you buy the 100 shares to sell at the put strike price if USO no longer exists?
That's why brokerage houses have back offices.  No idea how but there is a way to settle the contract.  Maybe the contract just settles financially with someone who's short.

 
Guess I don't see the put-writing as "hugely risky." Let's say you sell 10 puts at $0.51 for May 29 expiry at a strike price of $1.50. You're risking $1500 (that's what it would cost you if the thing goes to zero) and you're getting $500 premium up-front. The most you can lose is $1000 and you stand to gain $500. That's a 50% ROI for six weeks. The key unknown is the probability that USO goes to zero (and maybe that's a guarantee, I have no idea) but if there is a decent chance it does not go to zero then you're certainly getting a good return. Do ETFs go to zero? The article that was linked implies that it can. 
Already trading at more like $0.35 per put. That's a nice gain but I haven't seen Bossman around. I doubt anyone rolled the dice on that one.

 
You guys scared me off uso. Taking my 5-6% profit on the day and moving on. Not worth the risk

 

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