Stone Case Prosecutors (2 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1229805288498302978

NBC's Pete Williams says on @MSNBC that his educated guess is that it is very likely Roger Stone will face some prison time, probably 3 or 4 years, as the government said in its revised sentencing recommendation.

Thanks but the DOJ didn’t ask for 3-4 years in its revised memo. Barr’s office is claiming that but that’s not what’s in there.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

>>Roger Stone’s sentencing will go forward as planned on Thursday, despite the longtime Donald Trump associate's Hail Mary attempt to get a new trial and ongoing presidential haranguing about a miscarriage of justice.

U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson decided during a brief teleconference Tuesday that there was no reason to continue delaying sentencing for the convicted GOP operative while she considers holding a hearing on a new-trial motion. Stone faces up to 50 years in prison after being convicted last November on seven felony charges, including lying to Congress and obstructing lawmakers in their investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

"I think that delaying the sentencing would not be a prudent thing to do under all the circumstances unless I'm required to do so,” Jackson said.

Jackson did assure Stone, though, that he would not be sent to prison immediately while she considers the defendant's latest demands. Stone’s defense team has pleaded for a brief delay on the sentencing, while newly assigned federal prosecutors said they favored proceeding with Thursday’s hearing.<<

>>Jackson, who already rejected one previous request from Stone for a new trial, said she’s considering holding a hearing on the latest ask. However, she did not commit to one, saying she was not sure it was necessary.<<

>>The new prosecution team consists of J.P. Cooney and John Crabb, who serve as the top two officials handling public corruption cases for the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, D.C. Cooney supervised the investigation into former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and the 2017 prosecution of New Jersey Democratic Sen. Robert Menendez, which ended in a hung jury.<<

Politico

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Thanks but the DOJ didn’t ask for 3-4 years in its revised memo. Barr’s office is claiming that but that’s not what’s in there.

You and your darned willingness to read aggravatingly keeps things on track. What's wrong with the occasional train wreck?

 

[The General]

Can some lawyer types explain who Trump says “he would be suing” in this Stone case if he weren’t President? 

 

[joffer]

Can some lawyer types explain who Trump says “he would be suing” in this Stone case if he weren’t President? 

Devin Nunes' Cow?

 

[Max Power]

Can some lawyer types explain who Trump says “he would be suing” in this Stone case if he weren’t President? 

Do you mean the Mueller case?  Probably has to do with the FBI giving classified information to Steele that was eventually used to open an investigation into his campaign.  

 

[The General]

Do you mean the Mueller case?  Probably has to do with the FBI giving classified information to Steele that was eventually used to open an investigation into his campaign.  

Honestly have no clue what he was talking about, it was a rambling series of tweets. 

 

[Dickies]

Can some lawyer types explain who Trump says “he would be suing” in this Stone case if he weren’t President? 

Nobody, just his usual threats to sue people.

 

[Zow]

Can some lawyer types explain who Trump says “he would be suing” in this Stone case if he weren’t President? 

No. 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Nobody, just his usual threats to sue people.

Assuming he'll bring all his shoes. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Darren Samuelsohn @dsamuelsohn

Judge Jackson rules that she agrees with DOJ and will apply the stronger sentencing guidelines because of Stone's witness intimidation & pressure campaign on Randy Credico.

9:26 AM · Feb 20, 2020

- Politico

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Live thread.

tweeter is confusing - here is another version.

 

[Henry Ford]

- Politico

*cough cough* and, you know, because he posted a picture of the judge with crosshairs on her on the internet during the case *cough cough*

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Darren Samuelsohn @dsamuelsohn

DOJ prosecutor John Crabb says the stronger sentence should be applied to Stone on the witness tampering charge.

9:25 AM · Feb 20, 2020

- LOL crack Barr team says that oh yeah that seems fine, Judge. 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

May be the fastest pardon in US history. 

 

[Henry Ford]

- LOL crack Barr team says that oh yeah that seems fine, Judge. 

Good blow-by-blow thread

https://twitter.com/MMineiro_CNS/status/1230486806782775301?s=20

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Wild that the Luchesi crime family lawyer, Ginsburg, is already in court arguing. He just joined the team. The argument being hey what’s the big deal, the judge is alive, Credico testified, we had a trial, c’mon yerhoner 

 

[Henry Ford]

Wild that the Luchesi crime family lawyer, Ginsburg, is already in court arguing. He just joined the team. The argument being hey what’s the big deal, the judge is alive, Credico testified, we had a trial, c’mon yerhoner 

Crabb says DOJ believes the the eight level increase should be applied. Jackson agrees, now up to 22.

Still arguing about one of the increases, but the court has already moved it up to 41-51 months.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

>>Jackson rules that the guideline applies, adding 3. Now at 25.<<
 

Lol, I think original DOJ rec was 28?

 

[Henry Ford]

Jackson rules that the guideline applies, adding 3. Now at 25.

Guideline is referencing obstruction (defense argued that it was congress, not the courts, so it shouldn't apply)

57-71 months.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

- LOL crack Barr team says that oh yeah that seems fine, Judge. 

Crabb arguing to largely follow the original sentencing memo is a twist I did not see coming. Cynically, I’d say that this suggests the pardon is already a fait accomplit  

 

[Henry Ford]

"Extensive scope or planning" guideline rejected.  Still at 25.

Edit: I wish we could hear her tone of voice in stating that "I don't think we're looking at extensive scope or planning"

 

[Henry Ford]

"But your honor, look at him! He's the Riddler!"

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Crabb arguing to largely follow the original sentencing memo is a twist I did not see coming. Cynically, I’d say that this suggests the pardon is already a fait accomplit  

Well let's face it, the man is appearing in court before a federal judge and he isn't going to vomit up his ethics and reputation all over the floor. Harder done than ordered.

 

[Henry Ford]

Wow.  Crabb pushing to apply another 2 levels for willful obstruction from the original memo.

 

[Henry Ford]

Crabb arguing to largely follow the original sentencing memo is a twist I did not see coming. Cynically, I’d say that this suggests the pardon is already a fait accomplit  

I guess, but there's a big difference between pardoning someone with a two year sentence and pardoning someone with a six year sentence.

 

[Henry Ford]

Sorry, I mean there used to be a big difference.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I guess, but there's a big difference between pardoning someone with a two year sentence and pardoning someone with a six year sentence.

I think in Trumpland, the view of the optics is the longer (and more “unfair”), the better.  

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Ok, final offense level of 27. Guideline range is 70 - 87 months, but Jackson may still depart from that range. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Ok, final offense level of 27. Guideline range is 70 - 87 months, but Jackson may still depart from that range. 

Very reasonable final determination, insofar as the guidelines are at all reasonable to begin with.

 

[Henry Ford]

DOJ atttorney Crabb says the original sentencing memo was done in good faith. "My understanding is that there was a miscommunication between the attorney general and the us attorney's office....on what the filing would be."

 

[whoknew]

Wow - 

ABJ: With respect to the second filing — you signed it. Did you write it?

Crabb: I’m not at liberty to discuss the internal deliberations in DOJ.

ABJ: Were you directed to write it by someone else?

Crabb: I can’t answer.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Not sure if Crabb is really hinting that he didn’t willingly sign the second memo?  Jesus. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Wow - 

ABJ: With respect to the second filing — you signed it. Did you write it?

Crabb: I’m not at liberty to discuss the internal deliberations in DOJ.

ABJ: Were you directed to write it by someone else?

Crabb: I can’t answer.

Happy to see this.

Obviously staying he and and his fellows on the sig line wrote it would have been the simplest, best and easiest thing for almost every lawyer to say before a judge in every situation everywhere.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

That whole signing your name in good faith argument in fact and law seems to be coming in to play.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

>>DOJ prosecutor Crabb recommends incarceration for Stone, says “This prosecution was and this prosecution is righteous.”<<

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Wild that the Luchesi crime family lawyer, Ginsburg, is already in court arguing. He just joined the team. The argument being hey what’s the big deal, the judge is alive, Credico testified, we had a trial, c’mon yerhoner 

Ed Scarry at Washington Examiner agrees with this

Nope, Stone was just a liar and made the unfortunate decision to work for Trump, who has been under hot pursuit by the authorities since he became the Republican nominee in 2016.

Imagine feeling moved to take a stand over the sentencing of Stone, a 67-year-old clownish figure who was convicted of being a harmless liar.

Link

What a joke. 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

I need to do some stretching before my next Zumba class. Thanks for the updates. 

 

[squistion]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1230528844639195136

NBC's Ken Dilanian:

The prosecutor now appears to be arguing for the sentencing enhancements once again and Judge Jackson agrees with him. It's looking like we're heading for a potentially longer sentence than that Barr memo suggested for Roger Stone." @MSNBC

 

[Henry Ford]

Should be returning from recess with sentence any minute now.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

>>Crabb apologized and then she grilled him with a number of rapid-fire questions. Crabb explains the original trial team wrote the initial sentencing memo. He said he was part of the review and approval process. It went to the US attorney for DC, Timothy Shea, who approved of it.<<

- Politico/Samuelsohn.

- So that solves that. Barr’s crack suicide squad says in court that Shea approved the original filing. Enough of that bs about a rebellion.

 

[Henry Ford]

Jackson back now "unsurprisingly I have a lot to say." Asks counsel for both parties to step forward to the lectern.

 

[Henry Ford]

Judge Jackson says Roger Stone's prosecution was not the result of enabling anyone to have a political advantage, or to vilify the defendant. “It arose because Roger Stone characteristically inserted himself smack in the middle of one of the most incendiary issues of the day."

 

[Henry Ford]

On Stone testifying to the House Intel Comm that he had no record of communications with his intermediary, Judge Jackson says "again this was a flat out lie. There were at least 1,500 texts or emails with Randy Credico alone."

 

[Henry Ford]

Judge Jackson says that Stone was guilty of tampering with witness Randy Credico and that the victim's letter asking her not to send him to prison says more about Credico than Stone. "It may be that even today he does not want to be the reason for a tough sentence.”

 

[Henry Ford]

Ouch.

Jackson notes that during the period when Stone obstructed justice the House and Senate were GOP controlled and Rep. Devin Nunes was the one to request the records that Stone lied he did not have in his possession.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Glad to post the link but Credico has explained that he was concerned about threats to him and his family from Stone and Trump supporters when he submitted that letter. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Now all the good things about Roger, for balance:

Judge Jackson says she has learned from Stone's friends and family's letters that he has rescued countless dogs, supported his in-law suffering from Alzheimer and fought for same sex marriage, NFL players with brain injuries and criminal justice reform.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

>>“Certain themes emerge.” Quotes letters sent by Stone’s friends saying Stone was referred to as a provocateur and dirty trickster. Points out these were letters sent *on his behalf.*<<
 

- Lol, yasee yerhoner my friend is a scurrilous fiend so yaknow that’s just how he is.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

>>“The government’s initial memorandum was thorough, well-researched and supported,” in concordance with the record and DOJ policy. “Any suggestion that the prosecutors in this case did anything untoward” is incorrect.<<