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Strahan retires (1 Viewer)
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Who/what do the Giants trade for Taylor? Taylor pretty much screwed Miami with his comments he is playing only one more year. Unless the Giants or any team thinks they can talk him into playing more than one year. I don't see any team trading a pick of what Miami is looking for.Insert Jason Taylor?
Avery
Footballguy
Quoting myself from the "Official Big Blue Offseason Thread" 
Reported by Glazer who's apparently good buddies with Strahan so, sadly, I have no reason to question its accuracy.He still had a lot left in the tank and I thought his divorce settlement would encourage him to play at least one more year for the check but you can't blame the guy for going out on top.Onto the future...Does Kiwi get moved back to DE? Just an early guess, but I'm thinking he plays more of a hybrid role as a sometimes pass rusher/3rd DE and sometimes LB moving more towards DE if/when Kehl and Goff get up to speed.
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The New York market would help his acting aspirations, so if I were him, I would agree to play two more years and try to swing a trade.Who/what do the Giants trade for Taylor? Taylor pretty much screwed Miami with his comments he is playing only one more year. Unless the Giants or any team thinks they can talk him into playing more than one year. I don't see any team trading a pick of what Miami is looking for.Insert Jason Taylor?
Update? Did he mention is was because of the $$?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Strahan was on Best Damned a couple days ago. Well, he's a regular on that show, but they ran a segment where the crew tried to decide what Mike should do for him (or what they would do if they were him). Gary Payton made a big deal about the money and claimed it was the deciding factor. The whole time he was talking Strahan had a very sincere expression expressing that it wasn't about the money (frowning thoughtfully, shaking his head no). I believed him. I don't think they could have bought him.
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Banger
Footballguy
No, Reese said he didn't think it was about money and thought it was just time. He's 37?, just won the SB and apparently has some opportunities in media. He had a chance to leave on top and healthy and took it. Reese said he was glad to know sooner rather than later and feels they have the personnel to shift around to try and fill the void. That was pretty much the jist of it then he was asked about Shockey and just said that he has no reason to believe that Shockey won't be at their next practice and he left it at that.
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Thanks for the update. I believe they have the personnel too, but it is that strong front seven that made them so successful, so it definitely is a step back.
Banger
Footballguy
No doubt they still have talent but losing a player like Stra will make their line thinner. He spoke a little about Tuck and you could tell that Reese loves him.
twitch
Footballguy
First of all, great for Strahan. The man goes out on top, a champion. But I cant wait to see what Justin Tuck does filling that role as a full-time starter. I think he's gonna tear up the league. They wont have the same depth obviously. But imo, may just have a better LDE next year.
FUBAR
Footballguy
His stats might be better, but Strahan brought a lot to that defense that just can't be measured. His loss will hurt. I think the Giants will be fine, but they lose something here.If they didn't have the depth already built in, Giants fans would be livid. Although their draft may not have gone any different on top.
Redwes25
Footballguy
As Giant's fan no way would I be livid at Strahan whether we had depth or not. He was part of our Super Bowl win and if he wants to go out on top I completely understand. He will be missed and it was a great career to watch.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
If Favre is scheduled to speak first at the Hall of Fame induction ceremony five years from now, he should fake like he's going to the podium, then lay down and let Strahan go first instead. It would be poetic.
I've got a hard time believing this, kinda like Favre being retired. I'm not sure if it's wishful thinking or they just didn't seem done to me or what.
Wishin' Strahan a great future.
I think we'll see he and Tiki on TV or hear them on radio for a lllllong time. Michael seemed to be a fun guy, I'd watch him for the chuckles.
Re-Giants-
They're going to have to get a LB now or actually play the kid they drafted last year and see how that works. Kiwi probably just became the most traded player in IDP.
Re HOF-
I think he will in time but there are some offensive names that'll go first.
Wishin' Strahan a great future.
I think we'll see he and Tiki on TV or hear them on radio for a lllllong time. Michael seemed to be a fun guy, I'd watch him for the chuckles.
Re-Giants-
They're going to have to get a LB now or actually play the kid they drafted last year and see how that works. Kiwi probably just became the most traded player in IDP.
Re HOF-
I think he will in time but there are some offensive names that'll go first.
Tuck got more pressure out of the DT spot than many teams have ever seen. He can play DE and he will, sure, but I don't think the Gmen will move him outside fulltime. Kiwi was a probowl DE as a rook and the plan was he'd replace Strahan, (what seems to be) a long time ago. The beauty of it is, in their 4 DE system they used last year, they each have played inside and well. I guess what I'm saying is I can soooo see Spags switching up where the 3 DEs(Osi too) play and making the OL find em during the snap count. In general, I imagine Kiwi outside and Tuck inside.IMO The Giants still have 3 pro bowl DEs and a DC that loves to send em'
yetiknight
Footballguy
Strahan should be remembered as the best at his position during his career. Jason Taylor is the only other guy who maintained that high of a level of play during the same timeframe. Anybody who thinks sack numbers are the reason he was the best doesn't understand what a force that guy was against the run. Even playing in New York his whole career(another great accomplishment), he was never really overrated. Although he was never overlooked or underrated either.
BIG OLD MICHAEL STRAHAN.........coming to a pregame show near you.
BIG OLD MICHAEL STRAHAN.........coming to a pregame show near you.
massraider
Footballguy
A bummer for the Giants, but few teams have been set up so well to lose a great player like they are.
If there's one thing Giant fans gotta hope Reese learned from Accorsi it's how to draft DEs. I find it oddly interesting how Young could draft LBers like no one else, and Accorsi could do it with DEs. Imagine if those two were key "figures" in the same era?
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Great great player. I've enjoyed watching him over the years, I have nothing but respect for Strahan. It will make winning the East a little easier for the rest of the division. You just don't lose his defensive ability on the field, you miss what he brings to the locker room. I'll be mildly shocked if they don't skip a beat defensively here, you just don't replace Michael Strahan and go on about business without a hiccup.
twitch
Footballguy
Kiwanuka is no Pro Bowler. Lets not kid ourselves here. Tuck certainly has Pro Bowl potential. And he definitely causes havoc no matter where he's lined up. They tried moving Kiwanuka to OLB last year as I recall and it was a miserable failure because he couldnt cover anyone. He's an end. But definitely not a Pro Bowler. Lets let him earn that status. 4.5 sacks as a rookie DE isnt getting anyone voted to Honolulu.
RC94
Footballguy
Last I read he was a pro bowl alternate. I tried googling and it's like good luck finding that as everyone seems to be an alternate.In 06, He had 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, and 2 INTs only really getting significant time in about half the season. That's pretty disruptive for just 9 games, almost one big play a week(8 out of 9).
Don't know of anyone being a fan of his switch to LB but he had 3 sacks in a game last year when he got significant time as an End.
4th rated DE out of college
http://profootballexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=...amp;nid=2011698
All American All conference since soph year in college
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...ayers/1370.html
That would be epic.
Banger
Footballguy
Peter King was just on the FAN regarding Stra and he was saying that he's not necessarily a 1st ballot shoe-in. He feels that he should be and he put him behind R. White but equal to Bruce Smith due to his run stopping ability. He just thought that since there are people from all over the country on the HOF committee they may not all feel the same about his abilities and that Sapp may take away a number of votes.
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twitch
Footballguy
God bless Peter King when he annoints a player as HOF worthy, but Strahan is definitely a 1st ballot lock. He led two fairly mediocre teams to the Superbowl, and helped pull the greatest upset in SB history. He's always been a 'media' guy, fairly well loved and respected, and he's 5th all-time in sacks. If he's equal to Smith, he's answering that phone call that first year he's eligible on the first ring.
Yenrub
Footballguy
While he wasn't great, calling him a miserable failure is a reach. Sure he had some growing pains but he was playing pretty well by the time he got hurt.I just read that the tentative plan is to have Kiwi play both DE & LB this season.
The Giants are hoping that Gerris Wilkinson is going to win and hold down the WLB spot
This should free up Danny Clark to play SLB on the downs when the Giants want Kiwi at DE
FUBAR
Footballguy
I'd hope there are more NY sports fans like you. It isn't the retirement that I'd be slightly upset about, it's the timing. I forget who it was a couple years ago who retired after the draft and his "fans" were livid.
You're ignoring the INTs and Fumbles
Bankerguy
Footballguy
As a Cowboy fan, I'm not normally all that complimentary about other NFC East players. I was of course not a fan of his brashness, trash talking, and that stupid "ballin" thing he and the other Giant players did for a while. However, it's pretty hard to not recognize the player Strahan is. He is a winner, SB Champion and HOF'er.
RC94
Footballguy
Tuck lines up at DT at least as often as he lines up at DE, if not more. Once Kiwi permanantly moves back to DE (which will hopefully be sooner rather than later since he is much better at DE than at LB), Tuck will continue to be the versitile player that makes him so valuable. At that point Kiwi won't be playing behind Tuck and Umeniora, it will be a rotation with all 3 of them lining up together often. One huge reason the Giants had such a great pass rush is because they were lining up Umeniora, Strahan and Tuck at the same time. Kiwi can be a very good DE, but the team really needs some of the young LBs to step up because as of now that is a big weakness. Kiwi isn't the answer there either way, though (IMO).
houndirish
Footballguy
I'll miss Big 'ol Michael. I'm thrilled he was able to play his entire career as a Giant since I simply can't picture him in any other uniform. Despite his sincerity, I do believe the decision came down to money. I see it as something along the lines of Strahan justifying another year of pounding on his body by getting a big raise. No raise, no play, not worth it. The G-Men played along with his preseason act a year ago and were deftly able to sidestep any possible distraction issue or cries of inequitable treatment emanating from inside the locker room. Maybe becasue the Tiki thing was such a distraction the prior year and was still being talked up in '07 preseason (along with the will Eli ever measure up headlines) that Strahan was able to work the system and avoid camp and fines as well as he did. However I don't know that the Giants were willing to give him the free pass this year. Maybe they would've let him slide without the fines but he wasn't going to get a riase. Once Stray came to realize that he had to make the decision. Hang it up made the most sense for him. Despite the "divorce" financial rumors, Strahan won't be hurting for an income in retirement. I don't think the divorce played a factor in his decision.
It's already been said but where the Giants will miss him the most is as a run stopper. While I'm very comfortable with Osi, Tuck and Kiwi pressuring the passer, none of them will ever be the run stuffer Strahan was. The guy was brutally strong and was an immovable object on the LOS. That's rare for a guy who remained as slim as Stray did most of his career. As a Giants fan, I can't look ahead with confidence and state the team will be among the league leaders in this category.
Farewell #92. See you in the Hall!
It's already been said but where the Giants will miss him the most is as a run stopper. While I'm very comfortable with Osi, Tuck and Kiwi pressuring the passer, none of them will ever be the run stuffer Strahan was. The guy was brutally strong and was an immovable object on the LOS. That's rare for a guy who remained as slim as Stray did most of his career. As a Giants fan, I can't look ahead with confidence and state the team will be among the league leaders in this category.
Farewell #92. See you in the Hall!
