Strategically infecting people (1 Viewer)

[beer 302]

Can this be locked? Crazy, stupid idea

 

[Anarchy99]

This could prevent many old people from getting it in the first place, but if they do, there would be a greater chance they get the care they need

Except I don’t think that is what England is expecting or projecting. I am sure they have developed models and run simulations. At this stage they are saying they can’t contain it and they would rather everyone be exposed at once and sacrifice a certain percentage of lives rather than have a longer duration of infections that would still tax their healthcare system. 

I have no idea what their projections are, but they appear to be riding things out hoping that everything is over and done in a month instead of things dragging out for 3-6 months. I can’t speak to their rationale, the plan, or the impact. But they seem to think that will have a lesser impact than things dragging out. That certainly is open for debate. Maybe you’re right and there is a way to shield the elderly, but I am not sure that is their primary concern. 

 

[Galileo]

Can this be locked? Crazy, stupid idea

So censorship is the answer?   I don't agree with the idea, but that doesn't warrant preventing discussion.

 

[Anarchy99]

There's a bunch of articles out there that discuss different timelines but the range is from about 4 months (July) to a little over a year. 

One of the big questions is whether we need animal testing. Normally the answer is definitively yes, but that appears likely to be skipped in some trials because so many researchers are racing to be first.  

Then they need to go to clinical trials and perform a bunch of tests before they know if it's safe for human use.  That's almost certainly going to be fast tracked by this administration and most other countries as well. 

Once a vaccine is available, they need to start manufacturing it, which also takes time, and distribution is going to be a mess because the demand will probably still be high.  Hopefully they'll triage the vaccine to make sure high risk individuals get it first, but in the US the answer could be that it's just really expensive at first. 

I forget which version of the flu they did it for (swine?), but they developed a vaccine in July and rolled it out in October. So it took 3 months. I would guess the distribution in this situation would take much longer as many more people worldwide would need the vaccine. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I forget which version of the flu they did it for (swine?), but they developed a vaccine in July and rolled it out in October. So it took 3 months. I would guess the distribution in this situation would take much longer as many more people worldwide would need the vaccine. 

Yeah, I seem to recall something like this for H1N1, but that was a long time ago and frankly nowhere near as big a deal as covid-19 so I could be mistaken.

 

[ghostguy123]

Except I don’t think that is what England is expecting or projecting. I am sure they have developed models and run simulations. At this stage they are saying they can’t contain it and they would rather everyone be exposed at once and sacrifice a certain percentage of lives rather than have a longer duration of infections that would still tax their healthcare system. 

I have no idea what their projections are, but they appear to be riding things out hoping that everything is over and done in a month instead of things dragging out for 3-6 months. I can’t speak to their rationale, the plan, or the impact. But they seem to think that will have a lesser impact than things dragging out. That certainly is open for debate. Maybe you’re right and there is a way to shield the elderly, but I am not sure that is their primary concern. 

It isnt a "protect the elderly" plan.  It's more of a plan to keep us from devolving into chaos which would kill more people than the virus

 

[EYLive]

If it behaves like the chicken pox, where you can only get it once, it could work.

 

[ghostguy123]

If it behaves like the chicken pox, where you can only get it once, it could work.

If it helps at all, it's worth doing.

I am much less worried about having this virus and recovering than I am about the potential fallout from mass hysteria and panic.

 

[ghostguy123]

Can this be locked? Crazy, stupid idea

People like you said the same thing about vaccines back in the day

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire

Vulnerable people should not be exposed to Covid-19 right now in the service of a hypothetical future

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Can this be locked? Crazy, stupid idea

Go get em champ cus its already happening.

Get paid to be infected with coronavirus London lab looking for human guinea pigs Posted: 9:35 AM, Mar 10, 2020 Updated: 10:24 AM, Mar 10, 2020

A London laboratory is looking for some human guinea pigs willing to contract the coronavirus.

Hvivo, which operates the quarantine lab at Queen Mary BioEnterprises Innovation Centre, is seeking 24 volunteers to inject with the coronavirus and participate in its flu camp.

Volunteers will be paid about $4,500 for their participation...

Go to link for the full read and this story has been picked up and run on the national news.

Some other links to same story.

NEWS Get paid to be infected with coronavirus

Is it worth it to let researchers infect you with the coronavirus? A lab in London wants to pay participants about $4,500 to be able to research vaccines on coronavirus patients.

Volunteers to be infected with coronavirus for £3,500 in bid to find vaccine Volunteers will get £3,500 to be infected with coronavirus at Queen Mary BioEnterprises Innovation Centre in Whitechapel, London as the global race to find a vaccine continues

Human lab rats needed: Would you get infected with coronavirus for $4,500?

 

[bcat01]

No need to lock the thread.  Let's use it to track the experiment in the U.K.

 

[DallasDMac]

It probably isn't wise to be dismissive of anything at this point. Discussion can only help to stimulate ideas.

 

[T J]

The theory is that it speeds the recovery process and would create a community immunity. Britain has determined it’s too late to quarantine, isolate, or lock things down so the next option is to have people catch it and get over it. The old and sick would be dying over it regardless. At some point, those that recover would be immune  and that would stop the spread in its tracks. But it becomes a case of survival of the fittest, and if you are on the wrong side of the severe case line you aren’t going to make it. At least that’s how I see it based on what I read. 

I agree with their approach.

 

[ghostguy123]

I agree with their approach.

I do also to an extent.

Let's try and avoid the need for that though

 

[Anarchy99]

The other part of the Great Britain plan (at least what I think they were saying) is their model incorporates other models . . . financial markets, food supply, employment, inflation, etc. It’s way above my pay grade, but it sounds like their models incorporate way more than just immediate health concerns. They apparently think that in GB it is advantageous to get this over and done with. I have no idea if this is good, bad, or indifferent. 

 

[DocHolliday]

Never anything wrong with thinking outside the box.   Not sure its a good idea though.   I’m a bigger fan of serious lock downs for the next 2-3 weeks.  

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Hence cruise ship.

We obviously dont know all the facts about the virus.  Seems like a great idea to get some volunteers and start this in an isolated location.  We all know there are people willing to take a nice chunk of change to go be a test subject.

Coming to theaters next year: Death Cruise 2021.

 

[ghostguy123]

Never anything wrong with thinking outside the box.   Not sure its a good idea though.   I’m a bigger fan of serious lock downs for the next 2-3 weeks.  

Both can be done.

 

[-OZ-]

I believe the reasom we need flu shots every year is because the flu virus changes every year.  We don't know if that's true about this virus.

That's part of the fear. If this thing goes around and mutates, that's an even bigger problem. 

If we knew it wouldn't mutate, and once you get it you're immune, I'd strongly consider getting injected. 

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Mentioned this in the other thread, but that thread is a disorganized mess.

Anyway, any thought on strategically infecting people?  For example, infecting and quarantining as many volunteers aged 18-40 as possible.   

99% of those folks wont require hospitalization.  Use cruise ships?  

Obviously I have no plan laid out here, but its an idea that I think should be seriously discussed by the powers that be.

Boris Johnson is that you?

 

[ghostguy123]

Public health officials say a vaccine wouldnt be fully validated for a year to 18 months.

So when do the cruise ships shove off?

 

[matuski]

You volunteering to go first? 

I would.  I have not been kidding when i say I'd rather get it sooner than later.

Would love to knock it out and move on.