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Stronglifts5x5: Anybody else doing this? (1 Viewer)

Currently doing Jim Stopanni's Shortcut to Shred. It's probably the polar opposite of what you are doing. Very fast paced and somewhat longer workouts. I did it one time before at the end of summer and loved the results. It was difficult to come to terms with how much less I could workout with because I was constantly fatigued but last time my overall strength did improve.

Nice to see some older guys talking about workouts. I always wonder if my gains and struggles are the same as most my age or if I'm just not being hardcore enough.
A couple older guys (40s like me) in my gym did this with solid results. I keep thinking of trying it.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
Okay. So here is a question for those of you that are more experienced in this kind of workout than I am.

Let's assume I get back on schedule at 3x a week, but I find my gains taper off across the board.

What's next?

I know the Stronglifts guy would suggest just switching over to the "Madcow" variant on his same basic workout. What do some of ya'll suggest?

Here are my goals/requirements:

I want to continue to get into all-around shape. I want to be physically strong, but having a bodybuilder physique isn't my goal. (I have changed my diet considerably and expect to continue to lose fat as long as I stay active. I also am playing on a men's lacrosse team this spring, despite being almost 45.)

I hate running and cardio. I like lifting, but I like a fairly simple and easy to remember/manage program. I have a gym close by and can get to it 3-4 times a week, but I really can't regularly stay for more than an hour or so.
Check out Greyskull LP. Like I mentioned earlier very similar to SL, but you add AMRAP sets and it's a bit more flexible. Similar concept to 5/3/1 but a little more volume because it's 2x5, 1x5+.

 
I started working out in September for the first time since high school. Stuck with my buddies standard 3x10 workout for a while, and he's a 2-3 time a week guy. I've also been working to get on more of a 5-6 day a week schedule, and putting leg day on Monday to work in two days, similar to Arnold's Blueprint type of schedule. The main reason I thought to post in this thread was because I have also shifted to a 5x5 on my Olympic lifts, while still keeping my ISO workouts at 3x10, which Im still doing after my "strong lifts." The Olympic lifts take precedent, but I still go through the rest.

I have a back issue, but I can't blame it on lifts just yet. The day before it creeped up on me, I was sanding a sheet rock wall, and bent over at odd angles, which usually tweaks it. Had it happen similarly during the fall, when I was only going a couple of days a week. It wasn't even bad enough for me to go to the chiro this time and feels just fine today, 8 days later. I even did back squats on Wednesday. My neck has been aching over this same time period, and is still a slight ache even right now.

Im working out to lose weight, so the 5x5 is just there because I keep wanting to increase the weight Im pushing and I think that's a better way. I used to bench 3 plates and squat 450, so while I think the 300 I've been doing on squats is fine, Im a little annoyed I can't bench 225 5 times just yet. Im also probably going to deload on squats a little, because my butt is starting to push out on my initial move, and I've gotten on my toes a little at times as well.
I hate genetically gifted big guys like you.I take solace in the fact that I don't gain gut fat like you monsters. Even when I'm drinking beers 5 days a week I only get a little soft in the midsection.

But after 4 years of steady lifting, I've only gone from 145lbs to a peak of 165lbs. That's an average of 5 pounds of muscle a year. That's what it's like being a wiry book nerd who likes to lift. :lmao:
How tall are you? The good thing about gaining muscle so slowly is like you said..very little fat comes with it.

 
I started working out in September for the first time since high school. Stuck with my buddies standard 3x10 workout for a while, and he's a 2-3 time a week guy. I've also been working to get on more of a 5-6 day a week schedule, and putting leg day on Monday to work in two days, similar to Arnold's Blueprint type of schedule. The main reason I thought to post in this thread was because I have also shifted to a 5x5 on my Olympic lifts, while still keeping my ISO workouts at 3x10, which Im still doing after my "strong lifts." The Olympic lifts take precedent, but I still go through the rest.

I have a back issue, but I can't blame it on lifts just yet. The day before it creeped up on me, I was sanding a sheet rock wall, and bent over at odd angles, which usually tweaks it. Had it happen similarly during the fall, when I was only going a couple of days a week. It wasn't even bad enough for me to go to the chiro this time and feels just fine today, 8 days later. I even did back squats on Wednesday. My neck has been aching over this same time period, and is still a slight ache even right now.

Im working out to lose weight, so the 5x5 is just there because I keep wanting to increase the weight Im pushing and I think that's a better way. I used to bench 3 plates and squat 450, so while I think the 300 I've been doing on squats is fine, Im a little annoyed I can't bench 225 5 times just yet. Im also probably going to deload on squats a little, because my butt is starting to push out on my initial move, and I've gotten on my toes a little at times as well.
I hate genetically gifted big guys like you.I take solace in the fact that I don't gain gut fat like you monsters. Even when I'm drinking beers 5 days a week I only get a little soft in the midsection.

But after 4 years of steady lifting, I've only gone from 145lbs to a peak of 165lbs. That's an average of 5 pounds of muscle a year. That's what it's like being a wiry book nerd who likes to lift. :lmao:
How tall are you? The good thing about gaining muscle so slowly is like you said..very little fat comes with it.
5.8

 
I started working out in September for the first time since high school. Stuck with my buddies standard 3x10 workout for a while, and he's a 2-3 time a week guy. I've also been working to get on more of a 5-6 day a week schedule, and putting leg day on Monday to work in two days, similar to Arnold's Blueprint type of schedule. The main reason I thought to post in this thread was because I have also shifted to a 5x5 on my Olympic lifts, while still keeping my ISO workouts at 3x10, which Im still doing after my "strong lifts." The Olympic lifts take precedent, but I still go through the rest.

I have a back issue, but I can't blame it on lifts just yet. The day before it creeped up on me, I was sanding a sheet rock wall, and bent over at odd angles, which usually tweaks it. Had it happen similarly during the fall, when I was only going a couple of days a week. It wasn't even bad enough for me to go to the chiro this time and feels just fine today, 8 days later. I even did back squats on Wednesday. My neck has been aching over this same time period, and is still a slight ache even right now.

Im working out to lose weight, so the 5x5 is just there because I keep wanting to increase the weight Im pushing and I think that's a better way. I used to bench 3 plates and squat 450, so while I think the 300 I've been doing on squats is fine, Im a little annoyed I can't bench 225 5 times just yet. Im also probably going to deload on squats a little, because my butt is starting to push out on my initial move, and I've gotten on my toes a little at times as well.
I hate genetically gifted big guys like you.I take solace in the fact that I don't gain gut fat like you monsters. Even when I'm drinking beers 5 days a week I only get a little soft in the midsection.

But after 4 years of steady lifting, I've only gone from 145lbs to a peak of 165lbs. That's an average of 5 pounds of muscle a year. That's what it's like being a wiry book nerd who likes to lift. :lmao:
How tall are you? The good thing about gaining muscle so slowly is like you said..very little fat comes with it.
5.8
5'8 165 is a pretty good height to weight ratio. You may want to think about more of a strength building routine as your lifts seem like they're lagging for someone who's been at it for 4 years. You also may want to ramp up your calorie intake. If you want to build muscle, you'll need a caloric excess and with that will come some fat, but don't sweat that. It sounds like you'd lose any fat easy enough one you reached the point of wanting to cut.

 
I started working out in September for the first time since high school. Stuck with my buddies standard 3x10 workout for a while, and he's a 2-3 time a week guy. I've also been working to get on more of a 5-6 day a week schedule, and putting leg day on Monday to work in two days, similar to Arnold's Blueprint type of schedule. The main reason I thought to post in this thread was because I have also shifted to a 5x5 on my Olympic lifts, while still keeping my ISO workouts at 3x10, which Im still doing after my "strong lifts." The Olympic lifts take precedent, but I still go through the rest.

I have a back issue, but I can't blame it on lifts just yet. The day before it creeped up on me, I was sanding a sheet rock wall, and bent over at odd angles, which usually tweaks it. Had it happen similarly during the fall, when I was only going a couple of days a week. It wasn't even bad enough for me to go to the chiro this time and feels just fine today, 8 days later. I even did back squats on Wednesday. My neck has been aching over this same time period, and is still a slight ache even right now.

Im working out to lose weight, so the 5x5 is just there because I keep wanting to increase the weight Im pushing and I think that's a better way. I used to bench 3 plates and squat 450, so while I think the 300 I've been doing on squats is fine, Im a little annoyed I can't bench 225 5 times just yet. Im also probably going to deload on squats a little, because my butt is starting to push out on my initial move, and I've gotten on my toes a little at times as well.
I hate genetically gifted big guys like you.I take solace in the fact that I don't gain gut fat like you monsters. Even when I'm drinking beers 5 days a week I only get a little soft in the midsection.

But after 4 years of steady lifting, I've only gone from 145lbs to a peak of 165lbs. That's an average of 5 pounds of muscle a year. That's what it's like being a wiry book nerd who likes to lift. :lmao:
How tall are you? The good thing about gaining muscle so slowly is like you said..very little fat comes with it.
5.8
5'8 165 is a pretty good height to weight ratio. You may want to think about more of a strength building routine as your lifts seem like they're lagging for someone who's been at it for 4 years. You also may want to ramp up your calorie intake. If you want to build muscle, you'll need a caloric excess and with that will come some fat, but don't sweat that. It sounds like you'd lose any fat easy enough one you reached the point of wanting to cut.
I just finished a bulking program (never ran a diet/lift program specifically for bulking) that added 10 pounds in 2 months, a record for me. Some of that was definitely gut fat, maybe 2-3 pounds. I'm cutting now. At the peak of the bulk I weighed in at 167. Then I reinjured a bum shoulder and was stuck with light duty for a couple weeks. Now I'm cutting and all the way down to 161. It's a little depressing, as I lost about half the muscle weight from the bulk, but what can you do? Lesson learned: my nagging shoulder can't handle the military press - it will eventually aggravate the old injury, it's just a matter of time (in this case 4 weeks). I'll probably run one more bulk routine before a summertime cut in April or early May, so we'll see if I can even out back at 165, after the cut.

It's definitely a lot tougher doing this at 41 than 21 or even 31. The bulk adds more fat that's much harder to shred.

 
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Yeah, I'm sure it's a case of be careful what you wish for, but I'm 250 lbs of fatass right now, and need to trim down.

 
I started this last week. Haven't really lifted since high school, but like the simplicity of this and familiarity of the exercises. Excited to see how quickly or if I can get back to my old glory days weight. Not really looking to lose a bunch of weight, maybe some will roll off.

 
3/1 161.8 12.4%

SQ 145 55544 1st attempt post deload

OHP 85 55555 new pr, 1st attempt after failing this weight 3x previously

DL 135 185 230 555 new pr

PU BW+7' 008 1st attempt

hello dolly amrap

Decent day today felt ok. struggled getting down on the last reps of squat so didn't count them.

 
Man I got tired just reading that Wolverine workout. That's some serious volume.

I also thought it was interesting that it mentioned he went low carb on rest days. That's contrary to everything I've read before which says to maintain the same diet on rest days while your body repairs itself (maybe his healing properties help him get around that). Even more crazy since it mentioned he would do his workouts in the morning, fasted. I have no idea how he got through those massive workouts not only fasted, but having gone ~36 hours since his last major carb intake.

 
Man I got tired just reading that Wolverine workout. That's some serious volume.

I also thought it was interesting that it mentioned he went low carb on rest days. That's contrary to everything I've read before which says to maintain the same diet on rest days while your body repairs itself (maybe his healing properties help him get around that). Even more crazy since it mentioned he would do his workouts in the morning, fasted. I have no idea how he got through those massive workouts not only fasted, but having gone ~36 hours since his last major carb intake.
How did Jackman do it? Prohormones.

I definitely don't do that. I eat normal every day and don't even count calories - just keep it clean and eat small meals throughout the day instead of a big 3.

I also only lift four days, not five. I forgot the actual program included a fifth day. 4 days lift, 2 days HIIT, 1 rest day.

It does take a toll after awhile. You need to toss in a light week every 8 weeks or so or your body just shuts down.

 
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Man I got tired just reading that Wolverine workout. That's some serious volume.

I also thought it was interesting that it mentioned he went low carb on rest days. That's contrary to everything I've read before which says to maintain the same diet on rest days while your body repairs itself (maybe his healing properties help him get around that). Even more crazy since it mentioned he would do his workouts in the morning, fasted. I have no idea how he got through those massive workouts not only fasted, but having gone ~36 hours since his last major carb intake.
How did Jackman do it? Prohormones.

I definitely don't do that. I eat normal every day and don't even count calories - just keep it clean and eat small meals throughout the day instead of a big 3.

I also only lift four days, not five. I forgot the actual program included a fifth day. 4 days lift, 2 days HIIT, 1 rest day.

It does take a toll after awhile. You need to toss in a light week every 8 weeks or so or your body just shuts down.
It's pretty widely known that these movie stars who get big and lean fast take steroids for some months before filming. Taking steroids combined with a good lifting program and diet will enable a guy to show results in 6 months that would take a natural 3 or 4 years to accomplish. IF they could accomplish them at all.

 
Made it through the first one today. I didn't start at the 45/45/65 like the program said. I went 95/95/115 for bench, squat, barbell row. Upped it 50 pounds from the beginner weight since I've lifted a lot in the past, just not recently, and still have strength.

 
I'm ~10 workouts in (lost almost a week of working out when I caught the flu). I started at the beginning weights but it's all incredibly easy. The only exercise that feels tough is the OverHead Press. I have practically 0 experience lifting so I opted to start with the recommended weights. My next workout tomorrow is squat @ 85lbs, bench @70 and barbellrow @ 85. I assume in the next few weeks it will start to get a bit tougher.

Other then that, I am really enjoying the quickness of it. Stop by the gym, ~30 minutes later I'm leaving I'm sure it will slow down a bit when I get to harder weights and have to take breaks.

 
I'm ~10 workouts in (lost almost a week of working out when I caught the flu). I started at the beginning weights but it's all incredibly easy. The only exercise that feels tough is the OverHead Press. I have practically 0 experience lifting so I opted to start with the recommended weights. My next workout tomorrow is squat @ 85lbs, bench @70 and barbellrow @ 85. I assume in the next few weeks it will start to get a bit tougher.

Other then that, I am really enjoying the quickness of it. Stop by the gym, ~30 minutes later I'm leaving I'm sure it will slow down a bit when I get to harder weights and have to take breaks.
Yeah, if you started at the minimum weights (45 pound Olympic bar) then it is going to be easy for a while. I started quite a bit heavier than that and it was still pretty easy at first. It definitely also takes longer as it gets harder.

After being religious about it for the first couple months, I hit a very bad period and have missed more workouts than I have gotten in for going on a month now. I went back yesterday and had to deload significantly. It sucks but that is real life, I guess.

 
Man I got tired just reading that Wolverine workout. That's some serious volume.

I also thought it was interesting that it mentioned he went low carb on rest days. That's contrary to everything I've read before which says to maintain the same diet on rest days while your body repairs itself (maybe his healing properties help him get around that). Even more crazy since it mentioned he would do his workouts in the morning, fasted. I have no idea how he got through those massive workouts not only fasted, but having gone ~36 hours since his last major carb intake.
How did Jackman do it? Prohormones.

I definitely don't do that. I eat normal every day and don't even count calories - just keep it clean and eat small meals throughout the day instead of a big 3.

I also only lift four days, not five. I forgot the actual program included a fifth day. 4 days lift, 2 days HIIT, 1 rest day.

It does take a toll after awhile. You need to toss in a light week every 8 weeks or so or your body just shuts down.
It's pretty widely known that these movie stars who get big and lean fast take steroids for some months before filming. Taking steroids combined with a good lifting program and diet will enable a guy to show results in 6 months that would take a natural 3 or 4 years to accomplish. IF they could accomplish them at all.
I don't think that's fair. Not saying all actors haven't juiced (I think Stallone admitted to using HGH), but the body is pretty amazing and certain people are able to change their body quicker than others. It's amazing what good genes, a strict diet and lots of time in the weight room can do.

We shouldn't assume Jackman was on roids.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/the-true-beast-unleashed-how-hugh-jackman-became-the-wolverine.html

 
Man I got tired just reading that Wolverine workout. That's some serious volume.

I also thought it was interesting that it mentioned he went low carb on rest days. That's contrary to everything I've read before which says to maintain the same diet on rest days while your body repairs itself (maybe his healing properties help him get around that). Even more crazy since it mentioned he would do his workouts in the morning, fasted. I have no idea how he got through those massive workouts not only fasted, but having gone ~36 hours since his last major carb intake.
How did Jackman do it? Prohormones.

I definitely don't do that. I eat normal every day and don't even count calories - just keep it clean and eat small meals throughout the day instead of a big 3.

I also only lift four days, not five. I forgot the actual program included a fifth day. 4 days lift, 2 days HIIT, 1 rest day.

It does take a toll after awhile. You need to toss in a light week every 8 weeks or so or your body just shuts down.
It's pretty widely known that these movie stars who get big and lean fast take steroids for some months before filming. Taking steroids combined with a good lifting program and diet will enable a guy to show results in 6 months that would take a natural 3 or 4 years to accomplish. IF they could accomplish them at all.
I don't think that's fair. Not saying all actors haven't juiced (I think Stallone admitted to using HGH), but the body is pretty amazing and certain people are able to change their body quicker than others. It's amazing what good genes, a strict diet and lots of time in the weight room can do.

We shouldn't assume Jackman was on roids.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/the-true-beast-unleashed-how-hugh-jackman-became-the-wolverine.html
I don't believe anybody is genetically predisposed to get ripped like that . You have world class athletes that have been working out their whole life that don't reach that level of lean mass.

 
Man I got tired just reading that Wolverine workout. That's some serious volume.

I also thought it was interesting that it mentioned he went low carb on rest days. That's contrary to everything I've read before which says to maintain the same diet on rest days while your body repairs itself (maybe his healing properties help him get around that). Even more crazy since it mentioned he would do his workouts in the morning, fasted. I have no idea how he got through those massive workouts not only fasted, but having gone ~36 hours since his last major carb intake.
How did Jackman do it? Prohormones.

I definitely don't do that. I eat normal every day and don't even count calories - just keep it clean and eat small meals throughout the day instead of a big 3.

I also only lift four days, not five. I forgot the actual program included a fifth day. 4 days lift, 2 days HIIT, 1 rest day.

It does take a toll after awhile. You need to toss in a light week every 8 weeks or so or your body just shuts down.
It's pretty widely known that these movie stars who get big and lean fast take steroids for some months before filming. Taking steroids combined with a good lifting program and diet will enable a guy to show results in 6 months that would take a natural 3 or 4 years to accomplish. IF they could accomplish them at all.
I don't think that's fair. Not saying all actors haven't juiced (I think Stallone admitted to using HGH), but the body is pretty amazing and certain people are able to change their body quicker than others. It's amazing what good genes, a strict diet and lots of time in the weight room can do.

We shouldn't assume Jackman was on roids.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/the-true-beast-unleashed-how-hugh-jackman-became-the-wolverine.html
I don't believe anybody is genetically predisposed to get ripped like that . You have world class athletes that have been working out their whole life that don't reach that level of lean mass.
The giveaway is pics of Jackman when he's not filming. He still looks good but nowhere near his movie roles. Anytime you see someone gain muscle while getting leaner (particularly if they're middle aged like Jackman) you can bet their juicing. I'm not condemning it, hell I'd do it if I had a movie role on the horizon (or if the wife wouldn't kill me).

 
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Thanks for all the responses.

I'll probably pass. I'm not a beginning lifter, as I've been lifting pretty seriously (with some minor injury downtime) for 4 years now. Not that I'm large - I'm 5.8, 165lbs. I'm just in very good shape for a 42 year old. No idea what my bodyfat % is, but it has to be single digits. I can bench 1 rep of 200 (barely), squat 245, deadlift around 245 as well.

The program I've been running for the last year in 1 month cycles (modify the exercises every month) is four days lifting, 1 HIIT.

Each lift day focuses on one compound lift with incremental weight.

So week 1 I do 3 sets of 10 reps of low weight

Week 2 is 4 sets of 8 reps of higher weight

Week 3 is 4 sets of 6 reps, more weight.

Week 4 is 5 sets of 2-3 reps of near max weight.

Then start all over again.

This is supposed to groove with the natural way your body adds muscle, and whether that's bro-wisdom or truth, I've found my body responses well.

Each compound exercise is complimented with 3 isolated lifts meant to hit the muscles used in the day's compound lift. So on bench days, you do iso-lifts for the shoulders, triceps, back, etc. 4 sets, 10 reps each.

Then I finish with an arms circuit. 4 exercises, 4 sets, 8 reps each. Shoulders one day, Tris another, Bis another. I "run" on an arc tread machine to end my leg days.

The downside is this isn't something 9 to 5 people can do on their lunch hour. I spend a good 90 to 120 minutes in the gym.
If you have 90 to 120 minutes look into ice cream sandwich if you are wanting to change it up. It's foundation is in the 5x5 stuff, but it uses a ton of iso and varies the reps around a little to get a mix of pump and strength. Sounds similar already to what you are doing and for all I know it basically is ICS, but I haven't done a ton of digging into it to know it completely.
It took me a second to figure out "ice cream sandwich" is a program. :lmao:
I don't understand most of what culdeus posts.

I tried Bolivian HIIT yesterday but my BHG was out of whack, so I spoonfed some robins and then tripled my YERT intake. When I plateaued there, I started taking JUGGERS and spanked a willow for 5 sets, which really helped my glaucoma but negatively affected my Ponder Rhythm. I think I'm just going to eat an Ice Cream Sandwich until my lactoids coalesce with my HGFT again, then get back on the Wippeldorf Program for three months, while alternating sets of hammer-gourds.

 
Thanks for all the responses.

I'll probably pass. I'm not a beginning lifter, as I've been lifting pretty seriously (with some minor injury downtime) for 4 years now. Not that I'm large - I'm 5.8, 165lbs. I'm just in very good shape for a 42 year old. No idea what my bodyfat % is, but it has to be single digits. I can bench 1 rep of 200 (barely), squat 245, deadlift around 245 as well.

The program I've been running for the last year in 1 month cycles (modify the exercises every month) is four days lifting, 1 HIIT.

Each lift day focuses on one compound lift with incremental weight.

So week 1 I do 3 sets of 10 reps of low weight

Week 2 is 4 sets of 8 reps of higher weight

Week 3 is 4 sets of 6 reps, more weight.

Week 4 is 5 sets of 2-3 reps of near max weight.

Then start all over again.

This is supposed to groove with the natural way your body adds muscle, and whether that's bro-wisdom or truth, I've found my body responses well.

Each compound exercise is complimented with 3 isolated lifts meant to hit the muscles used in the day's compound lift. So on bench days, you do iso-lifts for the shoulders, triceps, back, etc. 4 sets, 10 reps each.

Then I finish with an arms circuit. 4 exercises, 4 sets, 8 reps each. Shoulders one day, Tris another, Bis another. I "run" on an arc tread machine to end my leg days.

The downside is this isn't something 9 to 5 people can do on their lunch hour. I spend a good 90 to 120 minutes in the gym.
If you have 90 to 120 minutes look into ice cream sandwich if you are wanting to change it up. It's foundation is in the 5x5 stuff, but it uses a ton of iso and varies the reps around a little to get a mix of pump and strength. Sounds similar already to what you are doing and for all I know it basically is ICS, but I haven't done a ton of digging into it to know it completely.
It took me a second to figure out "ice cream sandwich" is a program. :lmao:
I don't understand most of what culdeus posts.

I tried Bolivian HIIT yesterday but my BHG was out of whack, so I spoonfed some robins and then tripled my YERT intake. When I plateaued there, I started taking JUGGERS and spanked a willow for 5 sets, which really helped my glaucoma but negatively affected my Ponder Rhythm. I think I'm just going to eat an Ice Cream Sandwich until my lactoids coalesce with my HGFT again, then get back on the Wippeldorf Program for three months, while alternating sets of hammer-gourds.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
getting back into this program after a long period of couch inactivity and too many beers. starting with:

bench 85

squat 100

row 65

DL 165

OHP 55

i am sore as hell but it feels good

 
That Arnold story was awesome. I saw a video of him there when the guy breaking the deadlift record. Worth checking out. I'd love to go to the Arnold Classic one year.

 
That Arnold story was awesome. I saw a video of him there when the guy breaking the deadlift record. Worth checking out. I'd love to go to the Arnold Classic one year.
Went to the Arnold Classic two years in a row in 2000-01. Met Arnold one year.
 
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