Studs underperforming (1 Viewer)

[lazyike]

I realize its just after 2 weeks but I looked at a list of the top 36 players by their ADP and it seems like the list is quite long. Unfortuantely I seem top own a lot ot them.

Heres a list and I imagine some of you could add more(not including the MNF game)

Ch Johnson

R Rice

MJD

R Moss

Turner

Ca Johnson

Mathews

Marshall

Charles

Smith(NYG)

Grant(inj)

Greene

That figures out to be 36% of the top 36. While I haven't caluclated this in the past this seems to be higher than what I would expect.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Some of those players you listed aren't underperforming

 

[basher]

Chris Johnson had 130/2 in week 1. Jamaal Charles had 90/1 in week 1. 2 weeks is a terrible sample size as things will move more towards the balance.

 

[lazyike]

Chris Johnson had 130/2 in week 1. Jamaal Charles had 90/1 in week 1. 2 weeks is a terrible sample size as things will move more towards the balance.

I agree you could pick pick out those 2 for 1 week of good play and your point about 2 week sample but their has to be some concern about a lot of the players on this list.

 

[BAY_AREA_GIANT]

If one or more games of any of those guys was vs. Pittsburgh, Baltimore, or the Jets, I don't think that equates to "underperforming"

 

[ang12]

Other than maybe Greene, I really wouldn't panic yet.

 

[One]

If one or more games of any of those guys was vs. Pittsburgh, Baltimore, or the Jets, I don't think that equates to "underperforming"

 

[Thanatos]

Other than maybe Greene, I really wouldn't panic yet.

I'd add the entire Carolina backfield to this list. John Fox is an idiot and has no idea how to use his work horses.

 

[Jayrod]

I realize its just after 2 weeks but I looked at a list of the top 36 players by their ADP and it seems like the list is quite long. Unfortuantely I seem top own a lot ot them.Heres a list and I imagine some of you could add more(not including the MNF game)Ch JohnsonR RiceMJDR MossTurnerCa JohnsonMathewsMarshallCharlesSmith(NYG)Grant(inj)GreeneThat figures out to be 36% of the top 36. While I haven't caluclated this in the past this seems to be higher than what I would expect.

I'd agree with MJD, Matthews, Smith & Greene. The rest have circumstances and/or injury to explain their lack of top end finishes....although some of those acutally had a great game at least one of the weeks.

 

[shredhead]

I thought everyone on this site knew not to draft Steve Smith (Giants) unless they were in PPR leagues. He will be fine in PPR, but I let all the guys with magazines draft him in my leagues while I took Hakeem Nicks later.

 

[basher]

Chris Johnson had 130/2 in week 1. Jamaal Charles had 90/1 in week 1. 2 weeks is a terrible sample size as things will move more towards the balance.

I agree you could pick pick out those 2 for 1 week of good play and your point about 2 week sample but their has to be some concern about a lot of the players on this list.

Ch Johnson If anyone is worrying then they havent realized that Pitts D is incredibly good (at least against the run)R Rice Offense is struggling but he is playing just fine. Flacco is hurting more then anything.

MJD He had 98 yards rushing and over 100 combined yards in game 1. The entire offense pooped the bed game 2 ... especially 4 picks from garrard.

R Moss sick catch. Missed a bunch by brady on deep balls in both weeks. will not be a 10 catch a game guy.

Turner Pitt D week one got banged up when they were up by a lot week 2

Ca Johnson QB problems and in general a bit overrated. Should have had 1 more TD so far this year though. He won't take another leap until he makes the jump to being a better route runner

Mathews rookie RB in a pass first, pass second offense. He has played fine although the two fumbles are a bit troubling

Marshall needs sparano and the rest of miami offensive coordinators to take the kid gloves off of the passing offense.

Charles just fine

Smith(NYG) should be a PPR guy anyway but definitely overrated coming into the season. Poor man's wes welker.

Grant(inj) it is a shame. He is a much better football player then BJax and has killed with consistency over the years

GreeneIs a battering ram when he gets touches. The way the Jets were using him today was similar to how the Saints use Pierre T. I am surprised that more people didn't come away impressed with Greene today. He ran hard, got tough yardage, kept the chains moving, and really only got PT on running situations. I have a feeling there will be a return of investment on him later in the year but it will take some time, With that being said he will not live up to a 2nd round ADP.

All this being said, it is still only week 2. On this list I would be worried about Greene, Grant (obviously), Calvin, and Steve Smith(in non-ppr) to varying degrees. Only Shonn Greene is a very big worry if you aren't very deep at HB.

 

[cubbie5150]

MJD's biggest problem, IMO, is an idiotic coaching staff. I owned him last year (in which he did very well) and scratched my head many times wondering about how he was used (or unused).

 

[rdstorm]

Ch Johnson If anyone is worrying then they havent realized that Pitts D is incredibly good (at least against the run)

Not only that, but they would also not realize that another long CJ TD run was called back today for a very questionable holding call on the center who was not even close to the play (as in once he stopped his man from getting into the backfield and disrupting the handoff, there's no way his man would've been a factor on that run). A bad call by the ref, but even stupider that Amano would even make his block close enough to a hold to make that call possible when he's not at the point of attack and he's blocking the nose tackle. CJ is fine, and Pittsburgh's D is for real. (So is Tennessee's, btw).

 

[radballs]

Umm, in many cases I think people draw conclusions from too few data points. Give your players at least one more week before cutting bait if you made the investment unless they're hurt or getting almost zero targets.

That said, it depends on what kind of player you're talking about as well.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Ch Johnson If anyone is worrying then they havent realized that Pitts D is incredibly good (at least against the run)

Not only that, but they would also not realize that another long CJ TD run was called back today for a very questionable holding call on the center who was not even close to the play (as in once he stopped his man from getting into the backfield and disrupting the handoff, there's no way his man would've been a factor on that run). A bad call by the ref, but even stupider that Amano would even make his block close enough to a hold to make that call possible when he's not at the point of attack and he's blocking the nose tackle. CJ is fine, and Pittsburgh's D is for real. (So is Tennessee's, btw).

I hear you on saying most would not know about an 85yd TD run by CJ being nullified, but it was a clear hold, and if not for the hold, the NT had a great chance of stopping CJ behind the LOS or at worst slowing him up enough where it would be a minimal gain. Not sure what you mean by "once he stopped his man from getting into the back field" as the NT already had penetration past the line.I dont think anyone's worried about CJ to begin with, but outside of letting people know he had an 85yd TD swiped off the board, that post is misinformation

 

[Kenny Powers]

At this point, the only guy on the OP's list Id start sweating about is Greene. He's looked ok, but LT has looked much better than most expected and Im not sure he ever gets out of a timeshare whereas he was drafted as a workhorse. The rest of them, most I wouldnt be worried about in the first place and the others like Megatron, Turner, Mathews have had extenuating circumstances impact their numbers.

If anything was out of whack this year, Id say its how many middle round 4/5-8/9 picks have been big hits or misses by a visible margin.

 

[rdstorm]

I watched the game and the replays of the hold. The NT was not in the backfield until CJ was already out of his range. My statement was "once he stopped his man from getting into the backfield and disrupting the handoff" and the part you left out was important. The play was to the outside and once CJ was out there, the NT was not going to be a factor. All the center had to do was slow the NT down long enough to let CJ get the ball and get outside. The call was questionable and the hold was after he was outside.

I'm not the only one who thinks the call was questionable. Jeff Fisher rarely criticizes officials but:

Fisher said while he didn't see the penalty, "I heard it was somewhat suspect."

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/09/19/titans-...er-in-our-hear/

 

[Short Corner]

I think the term 'stud' has been used a little too liberally as of late.

 

[(unwelcomed)GUEST]

I think the term 'stud' has been used a little too liberally as of late.

and if you haven't watched many Steelers, Patriots and Colts games in the past 5 years I can see why you would question that holding call in the Tennessee game. Pittsburgh, and the other two teams, get a ton of calls and no calls that most other teams don't get.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I think the term 'stud' has been used a little too liberally as of late.

and if you haven't watched many Steelers, Patriots and Colts games in the past 5 years I can see why you would question that holding call in the Tennessee game. Pittsburgh, and the other two teams, get a ton of calls and no calls that most other teams don't get.

There is a good chance that there have been more no-called offensive holdings against James Harrison the last 3 years than no-calls towards all those teams combined

 

[(unwelcomed)GUEST]

I think the term 'stud' has been used a little too liberally as of late.

and if you haven't watched many Steelers, Patriots and Colts games in the past 5 years I can see why you would question that holding call in the Tennessee game. Pittsburgh, and the other two teams, get a ton of calls and no calls that most other teams don't get.

There is a good chance that there have been more no-called offensive holdings against James Harrison the last 3 years than no-calls towards all those teams combined

There are at least two Pitts O-linemen holding on every snap, that doesn't get called either...it's generally the timing of the calls and the inconsistency that attracts most attention Kenny...any Harrison never holds or makes illegal contact when playing the pass either I guess if we believe what gets called?

 

[ponchsox]

Finley (no TDs)

Charles (doesn't start)

SJax (no TDs)

 

[twistd]

Chris Johnson had 130/2 in week 1. Jamaal Charles had 90/1 in week 1. 2 weeks is a terrible sample size as things will move more towards the balance.

I agree you could pick pick out those 2 for 1 week of good play and your point about 2 week sample but their has to be some concern about a lot of the players on this list.

Ch Johnson If anyone is worrying then they havent realized that Pitts D is incredibly good (at least against the run)R Rice Offense is struggling but he is playing just fine. Flacco is hurting more then anything.

MJD He had 98 yards rushing and over 100 combined yards in game 1. The entire offense pooped the bed game 2 ... especially 4 picks from garrard.

R Moss sick catch. Missed a bunch by brady on deep balls in both weeks. will not be a 10 catch a game guy.

Turner Pitt D week one got banged up when they were up by a lot week 2

Ca Johnson QB problems and in general a bit overrated. Should have had 1 more TD so far this year though. He won't take another leap until he makes the jump to being a better route runner

Mathews rookie RB in a pass first, pass second offense. He has played fine although the two fumbles are a bit troubling

Marshall needs sparano and the rest of miami offensive coordinators to take the kid gloves off of the passing offense.

Charles just fine

Smith(NYG) should be a PPR guy anyway but definitely overrated coming into the season. Poor man's wes welker.

Grant(inj) it is a shame. He is a much better football player then BJax and has killed with consistency over the years

GreeneIs a battering ram when he gets touches. The way the Jets were using him today was similar to how the Saints use Pierre T. I am surprised that more people didn't come away impressed with Greene today. He ran hard, got tough yardage, kept the chains moving, and really only got PT on running situations. I have a feeling there will be a return of investment on him later in the year but it will take some time, With that being said he will not live up to a 2nd round ADP.

All this being said, it is still only week 2. On this list I would be worried about Greene, Grant (obviously), Calvin, and Steve Smith(in non-ppr) to varying degrees. Only Shonn Greene is a very big worry if you aren't very deep at HB.

I agree about Greene. I watched that game and came away impressed. I own him, but got him in the fourth, behind Gore and Matthews. So I hope he starts getting more touches as the season progresses.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I think the term 'stud' has been used a little too liberally as of late.

and if you haven't watched many Steelers, Patriots and Colts games in the past 5 years I can see why you would question that holding call in the Tennessee game. Pittsburgh, and the other two teams, get a ton of calls and no calls that most other teams don't get.

There is a good chance that there have been more no-called offensive holdings against James Harrison the last 3 years than no-calls towards all those teams combined

There are at least two Pitts O-linemen holding on every snap, that doesn't get called either...it's generally the timing of the calls and the inconsistency that attracts most attention Kenny...any Harrison never holds or makes illegal contact when playing the pass either I guess if we believe what gets called?

Ravens lose. Ravens cry about refs. 2nd verse, same as the first....

 

[David Yudkin]

Moss had 1 TD after 5 games last year and still led the league in receiving TD. You can't draw many conclusions after 2 games.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Chris Johnson had 130/2 in week 1. Jamaal Charles had 90/1 in week 1. 2 weeks is a terrible sample size as things will move more towards the balance.

I'm sure he'd include subsequent weeks, but we do not have that data yet.