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Normally a big roster guy, went with 24 this year. Let's hear you thoughts...

QB - Romo, Vick - Wanted to go cheap here with 4 pt TDs. Vick seemd like a stud at mid tier price. Kicked around a 3rd, but that's a losing proposition.

RB - Spiller, Bush, Lacy, Hunter, Bell, Redman - Really wanted 4 weekly scorers here but couldn't find that with the budget. Redman was taken to help buffer my Gronk pick. Had Michael in multiple early entries but switched to Hunter to be different. Gore has more potential to get hurt than Lynch.

WR - CJ, Amendola, Austin, Brown, Floyd, Allen, Thompkins - CJ ended up being a Graham replacement as he represents better value if his TDs come back. Dez was an option but I alrady had Romo/Austin. Amendola was cheap and should have been on more rosters. Paired with Thompkins you get the WR1 and WR2 on one of the best passing offenses. Helps that I also had Gronk. I like Rivers to bounce back this year. Locking up the entire SD WR corps for $19 seemd like a value. One of them should give me a nice score each week. Austin seemd like a huge steal. You get 75% of Dez's production at about half the price.

TE - Gronk, Gates, Thomas - Gronk was a no brainer for me.I figured FBG was overestimating the entries like years past. When healthy he's the best producing postion player in this contest. With Hernadez and Welker gone he'll be a monster this year. Gates fit with my SD strategy and the other consdierations didn't have byes that worked. He'll get his TDs.

K - Hauchka, Brown, Forbath

D - Seattle, Carolina, Detriot - Huge sack potential here. With sacks come good things.

 
Iggy, couple of questions:

Any idea how many "junk" rosters are in this year? Junk rosters are defined by those that cannot field a full lineup any given week.
Not yet but it's something I can look at later this week.

In addition, can you give us some stats on the average number of players by team size? Such as on a 19 player team, there are 3.6 TE, etc. I'm curious about how the rosters were fairly comprised this year.
Code:
Size	Entries	QB	RB	WR	TE	PK	TD18	5505	2.3	4.4	5.2	2.1	1.9	2.019	2014	2.5	4.8	5.5	2.2	2.0	2.020	1620	2.6	4.9	5.8	2.4	2.1	2.121	1150	2.7	5.2	6.0	2.6	2.2	2.222	1032	2.8	5.4	6.4	2.7	2.4	2.423	825	2.9	5.7	6.7	2.8	2.5	2.524	623	3.1	5.9	6.9	3.0	2.5	2.625	483	3.1	6.1	7.3	3.1	2.6	2.726	332	3.2	6.3	7.6	3.2	2.8	2.827	253	3.3	6.7	8.0	3.3	2.8	2.928	165	3.5	6.9	7.9	3.4	3.2	3.129	160	3.3	7.2	8.6	3.8	3.0	3.130	236	4.1	7.1	8.3	3.5	3.8	3.1Tot	14398	2.6	5.1	5.9	2.4	2.2	2.2
 
Drew Brees $26
Blaine Gabbert $4
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LeSean McCoy $27
Marshawn Lynch $25
Frank Gore $20
Eddie Lacy $16
Christine Michael $5
Bilal Powell $3
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Danny Amendola $19
Eric Decker $18
Julian Edelman $6
Riley Cooper $5
Donnie Avery $4
Josh Morgan $3
Jason Avant $2
Kenbrell Thompkins $2
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Jason Witten $23
Tony Gonzalez $21
Julius Thomas $2
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Blair Walsh $5
Rob Bironas $3
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New York Giants $4
Indianapolis Colts $3
Washington Redskins $3

I lasted until week 11 or 12 last year but eventually just had too many injuries to overcome.

Brees seems like the safest qb pick year in and year out and never gets hurt. Debated only going one qb this year as last year i spent the money on a backup solely for brees's bye and of course he was injured that week. In the end i couldnt pull the trigger...so crossing fingers Gabbert wil actually start during brees's bye.

With the added flex, i decided to dump more money into rb and te this year and spend less on wr's. With 4 solid starters, anticipating 1 or 2 of my flex's will come from here most weeks. Powell seemed like good value for 2 bucks and Michael seemed like a high upside cheap handcuff in a very good run offense....where most of the handcuff's were too expensive. Week 12...If i get there...will be a challenge with Lynch, Michael, and McCoy on bye. I really wanted Spiller but just couldnt fit him in with the same bye week.

Cant be strong in all positions, so I went with the cheaper shotgun approach at wr. If amendola can stay healthy, he should be a PPR monster in that offense, and because the pats spread it around so much, I locked up most of the other pats wr's on the cheap. Works in better ball. I initially had boldin in my most of my variations but decided on Decker instead. Then just filled out the rest of the wr's with the best value i thought i could find on the cheap. Only figuring on 2 wr scores each week, so there's a decent chance i can get 2 good scores from these 8 guys. Really just trying to tread water here.

I went stud te's last year, sinking a bunch of money into Gronk and Graham at 1.5 ppr. It didnt work out for me as Graham missed half the season and underperformed, only to have Gronk go down when Graham came back. The theory was sound, just got unlucky. So i'm going to try it again...just seems the obvious strategy to take in this format. The top te's can score at wr1 numbers with more consistency. Would have taken Gronk again if i had know the first 2 weeks were going to be a bye, still kicking myself over that, but Gonzalez/Witten/J Thomas form a very strong te core. Hoping at least 1 flex comes from here each week.

 
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Warrior said:
Fascinating. Only 28 teams have both Foster and Tate. Tate seemed like cheap insurance to me.
You're joking, right? Wasn't tate in the Lacy/Bernard price range, or maybe a couple dollars cheaper? It would be really foolish to go with both Foster and Tate, that's a recipe for a mediocre team.

If you think Foster will stay healthy, you don't handcuff. If you think he'll break down, you select Tate instead. Choosing both just means you'll end up middle of the pack in that area and will lose to the teams who chose one or the other.
Yeah, I agree with this. Handcuffing in general feels like a losing proposition to me; handcuffing a $32 RB with another $14 RB seems like a waste. Unless you think they're both simultaneously going to produce start-worthy points all season long, you basically paid $46 - nearly a fifth of your entire budget - for one RB. Even if you think "HOU RB" is the best player in the NFL this year, $46 is too steep a price to pay IMO.
While I generally agree that handcuffing is not great for this format I believe amendolas injury history and thompkins $2 price makes him a pseudo handcuff... While they don't play the same roles I believe if amendola misses time thompkins involvement will increase

 
My own twist is largely based on a desire not to repeat my previous failings.

The scoring system is so weighed in favor of TE receptions that I wanted to go heavy there so:

Witten $23 - generally good for 90+ receptions

Cameron $12 - this should be a breakout year under Norv Turner

I like the idea of three kickers as production varies so much week to week. They have to play for teams with offenses which will give them lots of chances so:

Bullock $4

J Brown $3

Hauschka $3

Defenses are always something of a crap shoot so I picked two highly rated ones who offer a combined soft schedule in weeks 8-13 so:

Bengals $5

Ravens $4 - they don't have to play Peyton every week ;-)

Running Backs have been a weak point as someone is always hurt and the $6 guys never seem to help me so:

T Richardson $27 - Norv's offense has always produced for RBs and hopefully he won't spend all of this year hurting

Spiller $26 - Talent is there to lead the league in rushing

Forte $26 - Trestman's offense is kind to RBs who can catch the ball

Wilson $21 - Wouldn't have had him in an RBBC if Brown weren't hurt, but he gets the chance to show Brown is irrelevant

Quarterbacks must do well so I like having three, but I don't have to lead the league in scoring there so:

Romo $15 - Dez is a top 5, Austin is the healthiest in several years, Witten always dependable, and their defense will keep him throwing

Schaub $9 - Not a sexy pick, but Hopkins may be the best #2 he has ever had

Vick $9 - Can be a boom/bust guy week to week, but hopefully the others cover the busts

Wide Receivers below the very top are really erratic so I want a whole bunch so:

D Jackson $16 - The only decent Eagle WR so likely to see more catch and run patterns this year and always a threat to catch the deep TD ball

Blackmon $11 - Don't expect much from him for the first 4 weeks ;-) after that he should rock on team which will always be behind

Givens $10 - The Rams have assembled an offense with a lot of short threats and one deep one so he will get occasional bombs

Hartline $9 - The other guy got all the money, but he moves the chains and this is a PPR game

V Brown $9 - Anyone think the Chargers won't be throwing a lot? He is their best target by far

Roberts $6 - Palmer made a star out of Myers last year and Housler does not look like the answer so I'll take his slot receiver to be the short game guy

Thompkins $2 - Biggest no brainer on the list and likely the highest percent ownership in the contest

This careful reasoning should mean this squad can last until week 5 or 6.
I commend your good taste and football knowledge. The highlighted guys are on my roster too--scary similar. I went with Gonzo instead of Witten (along with Celek, JT, and Fasano), only 2 QBs, and cheaper at RB4 (J. Bell & Powell).Hopefully, the fact that I was then able to add Calvin, Dez and Sanders at WR will let me knock you down to 2nd in the final standings. Good Luck.

 
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And I wish the same for you Arnie. One nice thing about this game is that not having any of those Broncos won't hurt in making this week's cut.

 
Might as well post mine, too...

PLAYER BYE $$$

R Wilson SEA 12 $15

J Cutler CHI 8 $13

C Spiller BUF 12 $26

D Wilson NYG 9 $21

A Bradshaw IND 8 $18

E Lacy GB 4 $16

B Powell NYJ 10 $3

D Thomas DEN 9 $24

A Johnson HOU 8 $21

A Jeffery CHI 8 $11

C Patterson MIN 5 $8

R Cooper PHI 12 $5

K Thompkins NE 10 $2

J Witten DAL 11 $23

V Davis SF 9 $19

J Thomas DEN 9 $2

G Hartley NO 7 $4

M Crosby GB 4 $3

J Brown NYG 9 $3

Bengals CIN 12 $5

Browns CLE 10 $4

Falcons ATL 6 $4

 
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A couple of years ago someone posted a team number for using My Fantasy league software. Does anyone have a league ID/number we can use this year?

Their software is the best way to keep up with all scoring for individuals and teams.

 
I'm going to be interested in the survival rates this year with the change in lineup requirements. Per Iggy's post a few pages back, here's where we are at:

SIZE ENTRIES (14398)

  • 18 - 5505 (38.2%)
  • 19 - 2014 (14.0%)
  • 20 - 1620 (11.3%)
  • 21 - 1150 (08.0%)
  • 22 - 1032 (07.2%)
  • 23 - 825 (05.7%)
  • 24 - 623 (04.3%)
  • 25 - 483 (03.4%)
  • 26 - 332 (02.3%)
  • 27 - 253 (01.8%) :bye:
  • 28 - 165 (01.1%)
  • 29 - 160 (01.1%)
  • 30 - 236 (01.6%)
Once more the smaller rosters are the majority of entries. This is true every year, although under the previous rules, the larger rosters give you the best chance to survive closer to the end. In the 250, as I recall, it seems to be a mix of who makes it to the Top 10.

Iggy, couple of questions:

  • Any idea how many "junk" rosters are in this year? Junk rosters are defined by those that cannot field a full lineup any given week.
  • In addition, can you give us some stats on the average number of players by team size? Such as on a 19 player team, there are 3.6 TE, etc. I'm curious about how the rosters were fairly comprised this year.
I don't know how 'junk' they are but I have a hard time believing teams of 20 or less will get very far.
Proportionately they won't. But with 8000 of them some will sneak through.

 
Peyton Manning $23
Andrew Luck $16
Christian Ponder $7
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Adrian Peterson $37
Eddie Lacy $16
Daryl Richardson $15
BenJarvus Green-Ellis $14
Toby Gerhart $6
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Demaryius Thomas $24
T.Y. Hilton $14
Michael Floyd $11
Chris Givens $10
Golden Tate $10
Dexter McCluster $3
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Kyle Rudolph $17
Tyler Eifert $7
Anthony Fasano $2
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Blair Walsh $5
Steve Hauschka $3
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Seattle Seahawks $6
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $4
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This is my roster, I'm already having buyer's remorse over Ponder and Green-Ellis....Oh well.
Can anybody give me some encouragement to keep me away from the edge of the cliff?

 
Size Entries QB RB WR TE PK TD18 5505 2.3 4.4 5.2 2.1 1.9 2.019 2014 2.5 4.8 5.5 2.2 2.0 2.020 1620 2.6 4.9 5.8 2.4 2.1 2.121 1150 2.7 5.2 6.0 2.6 2.2 2.222 1032 2.8 5.4 6.4 2.7 2.4 2.423 825 2.9 5.7 6.7 2.8 2.5 2.524 623 3.1 5.9 6.9 3.0 2.5 2.625 483 3.1 6.1 7.3 3.1 2.6 2.726 332 3.2 6.3 7.6 3.2 2.8 2.827 253 3.3 6.7 8.0 3.3 2.8 2.928 165 3.5 6.9 7.9 3.4 3.2 3.129 160 3.3 7.2 8.6 3.8 3.0 3.130 236 4.1 7.1 8.3 3.5 3.8 3.1Tot 14398 2.6 5.1 5.9 2.4 2.2 2.2
Thanks!

Quick observations:

  • Interesting that the larger teams went with 3+ QBs... I always found the 3rd QB to be a waste of cash and 2 seemed to be the optimal usage based on previous year results.
  • I firmly expected that those with larger rosters subscribe to the 3K / 3D theory. Seems to be optimal every year. I was surprised that the 30-roster teams are closer to 4D then 3, but there did seem to be an inordinate amount of $3 defenses this year.
  • I was also surprised that more TEs were not taken with the new flex position. I think there is a lot of value around 4 TEs with some swing for the fences guys like Ausberry, Celek, Thomas.
  • Looks like from roster sizes from 26-30 went with 8 WRs, 7 RBs. I went with 9 WRs and 6 RBs.. :scared:
  • Any way you can figure the average cost spent by team size and position?
 
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Iggy... Can you print out the best value each week or over the course of the season?

I wondered how much value we are getting from each player. If a $2 player gives you 20 points, but a $20 player gives you $20, the value for the $2 player is much higher.

Can you run an analysis like that?

 
if all my main players stay healthy all year (big if) I like my team. should have added 1 more TE (have Graham and Thomas only)

Luck

Manuel

Rice

McCoy

Wilson

C Michael

Greene

Julio

Dez

AJ Green

Hartline

Thompkins

Graham

Thomas

Nugent

Brown

Sturgis

Redskins

Bills

Panthers

20 players

 
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My Bush/Bell combo looked good today!

I'm at 181 after the 1pm games. Still have Dez and Vincent Brown to score (-0.0) and Vernon (-12)

 
Iggy... Can you print out the best value each week or over the course of the season?

I wondered how much value we are getting from each player. If a $2 player gives you 20 points, but a $20 player gives you $20, the value for the $2 player is much higher.

Can you run an analysis like that?
In theory, yes, but it's not so simple to define a "value" metric. I mean, in the example you provided, it's obvious that 20 points for $2 is better than 20 points for $20. But what if the $2 player scores 8 points and the $20 player scores 25? Who's more "valuable?" You can't look at something like points per dollar, because that will tend to always favor the cheaper players but that doesn't mean they're more valuable.

In past years I've posted a basic survival rate by player, which I think is a decent way to measure value. I also once did a "start" ratio, e.g. how often a player actually contributed to his owner's total score for that week (IIRC Roddy White was the winner, whatever year it was... 2011? He started like 99% of the time for his owners...) I can try to do stuff like that as the season goes on, maybe not every week but at least a few times over the course of the year.

 
if all my main players stay healthy all year (big if) I like my team. should have added 1 more TE (have Graham and Thomas only)

Luck

Manuel

Rice

McCoy

Wilson

C Michael

Greene

Julio

Dez

AJ Green

Hartline

Thompkins

Graham

Thomas

Nugent

Brown

Sturgis

Redskins

Bills

Panthers

20 players
Week 12 without Green and McCoy are going to be tough.

 
After the 1pm games:

152.70

+

(Romo/Vick/Schaub) - 0

+

(D Wilson/Lacy) - (10.4/9.7)

+

(Andres/Givens/V Brown/J Morgan) - (12.90 flex/14.70 wr/24.40 flex/33.10 wr )

+

(Cook/Finley) - (12.90 flex/24.40 flex/30.50 te)

+

(Forbath/Brown) - 8.00

+

(Washington) - 9.00

Feeling a little better about Streater and Winslow now :)

-QG

 
My Bush/Bell combo looked good today!

I'm at 181 after the 1pm games. Still have Dez and Vincent Brown to score (-0.0) and Vernon (-12)
Went with just Bell....if Bush goes down, Bell could be huge. In the meantime, it looks like he will get some good touches anyway.

 
if all my main players stay healthy all year (big if) I like my team. should have added 1 more TE (have Graham and Thomas only)

Luck

Manuel

Rice

McCoy

Wilson

C Michael

Greene

Julio

Dez

AJ Green

Hartline

Thompkins

Graham

Thomas

Nugent

Brown

Sturgis

Redskins

Bills

Panthers

20 players
Week 12 without Green and McCoy are going to be tough.
for sure. haven't made it that far in three yrs so maybe if I can make it that far some others can step up.
 
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Doesn't matter what you score week 1. Nice to see yourself score good though. BUT, didn't the top scorers from the first few weeks get knocked out soon after, last year? Seem to remember that for some reason.

 
After 4 pm

180.90

+

(Romo/Vick/Schaub) - 0

+

(D Wilson) - 10.40

+

(Andre/V Brown/J Morgan) - (14.70 wr/24.40 flex/30.50 flex)

+

(Forbath/J Brown) - 8.00

+

Washington - 9.00

:)
-QG

 
Player Team POS Bye Score Colin Kaepernick SFO QB $18 0 34.80 Russell Wilson SEA QB $15 0 20.70 Matt Schaub HOU QB $9 0 0.00 C.J. Spiller BUF RB $26 0 10.50 Matt Forte CHI RB $26 0 19.10 Reggie Bush DET RB $23 0 29.10 Eddie Lacy GBP RB $16 0 14.20 Chris Polk PHI RB $2 0 0.00 Danny Amendola NEP WR $19 0 20.40 Miles Austin DAL WR $14 0 0.00 Anquan Boldin SFO WR $13 0 39.80 Vincent Brown SDC WR $9 0 0.00 Brandon LaFell CAR WR $7 0 0.00 Jeremy Kerley NYJ WR $5 0 7.40 Nate Washington TEN WR $4 0 8.60 Kenbrell Thompkins NEP WR $2 0 8.20 Jordan Cameron CLE TE $12 0 30.30 Dwayne Allen IND TE $9 0 9.50 Julius Thomas DEN TE $2 0 30.50 Mason Crosby GBP PK $3 0 4.00 Kai Forbath WAS PK $3 0 0.00 Josh Brown NYG PK $3 0 0.00 Cleveland Browns CLE Def $4 0 6.00 Tennessee Titans TEN Def $3 0 9.00 Buffalo Bills BUF Def $3 0 14.00 236.2 236.2 with quite a few guys to still go :popcorn:

 
There are 5000+ rosters (including mine) that took a big hit from David Wilson tonight. It took 11 weeks for him to get out of the dog house last year for the same fumbling issue. Not good.....not good at all.

 
Value = point production X unit cost of production = points x points/cost.
IMO, this is the best way to determine player ROI, and it's what I modeled out when planning this year. (Points X (Points / Cost)).
But this is going to give higher values to players with higher weekly variation in their scores, which isn't necessarily what you want. For instance, say through six weeks we have the following two $20 QBs:

Name W1 W2 W3 W4 W5 W6 TOTQB A 25 25 25 25 25 25 150QB B 40 17 15 35 33 10 150Using the points-squared metric, on a season-total basis, their "value" is identical (150 points for $20). If we compute it on a weekly basis, QB B has a higher "value" (226.4 to 187.5) owing to the variance in his weekly performance. But would you really rather have QB B than QB A? That's somewhat of a subjective question but (in a vacuum) QB B is much more likely to get you knocked out of the contest at some point during the year than QB A.Part of the problem is that this is really two different contests, and what's optimal for one is an inferior strategy for the other. For 14 weeks you don't need to put up a ton of points, you just need enough to consistently stay above the cutline. Then suddenly the game changes, and for two weeks you need to put up the most amount of points possible. An ideal value metric would somehow capture both of those but I don't know how you'd do that.

 
A couple of years ago someone posted a team number for using My Fantasy league software. Does anyone have a league ID/number we can use this year?

Their software is the best way to keep up with all scoring for individuals and teams.
OC set up his live scoring app again this year: http://ffltools.com/fbg35k/, is that what you're referring to?
$5?! :lol:

You've got to be kidding me.

Get 500-1000 people to buy at $2-3

Get 100 people to buy at $5

Poor pricing strategy....Greeeeedy.

It's not the couple bucks... it's the principle. No thanks. :thumbdown:

 
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Tons of bargains that have already been mentioned, but after one week I'm really liking the $6 I spent on Andre Roberts. Plenty of yards for all three AZ receivers this year
Agreed. I really regret removing him, but Edelman, Burleson, and Gibson are holding down the [bargain WR] fort for now.

Thompkins got 14 targets. For my leagues I hope that never happens again, but he'll eventually be productive for me here.

 
A couple of years ago someone posted a team number for using My Fantasy league software. Does anyone have a league ID/number we can use this year?

Their software is the best way to keep up with all scoring for individuals and teams.
OC set up his live scoring app again this year: http://ffltools.com/fbg35k/, is that what you're referring to?
$5?! :lol:

You've got to be kidding me.

Get 500-1000 people to buy at $2-3

Get 100 people to buy at $5

Poor pricing strategy....Greeeeedy. No thanks. :thumbdown:
Three things:

1. I'm sure OC knows how many people contributed last year and what they contributed and factored it in.

2. I highly doubt that 5-10x as many people would buy at $2 vs. $5.

3. PayPal takes 2.9% + 0.30 per transaction. That 0.30 kills you at this pricing level. So 100 @ $5 is the same as 175 @ $3 and 275 @ $2. And all of that is about $455. Given the number of hours to program, run the weekly data and verify it, that's probably $10/hour or less - before any hosting costs. Basically minimum wage, and a pittance compared to the enjoyment folks get from knowing where they stand, live.

 
Liking things so far. 181.1 and I still have Shady (-4.1), D-Jax (-8.2) and my defenses (-0) still to go. I have Vick too, but I doubt he outscores Luck.

 
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Fascinating. Only 28 teams have both Foster and Tate. Tate seemed like cheap insurance to me.
Handcuffing is a losing proposition in this contest IMO.
Depends on the cost of the handcuff imo

e.g. RGIII and Cousins for a combined $23 seems like a good deal. Vick/Foles for $16 was probably also a decent bet if you believe in the Eagles offense.

And, I also think for it to work it has to be a true handcuff, not simply a RBBC situation, where both players have limited value when both are healthy. I think it needs to be an all-or-nothing proposition.

 
Fascinating. Only 28 teams have both Foster and Tate. Tate seemed like cheap insurance to me.
Handcuffing is a losing proposition in this contest IMO.
Depends on the cost of the handcuff imo

e.g. RGIII and Cousins for a combined $23 seems like a good deal. Vick/Foles for $16 was probably also a decent bet if you believe in the Eagles offense.

And, I also think for it to work it has to be a true handcuff, not simply a RBBC situation, where both players have limited value when both are healthy. I think it needs to be an all-or-nothing proposition.
Why do you want to commit to having dead money on your roster?

 
Fascinating. Only 28 teams have both Foster and Tate. Tate seemed like cheap insurance to me.
Handcuffing is a losing proposition in this contest IMO.
Depends on the cost of the handcuff imo

e.g. RGIII and Cousins for a combined $23 seems like a good deal. Vick/Foles for $16 was probably also a decent bet if you believe in the Eagles offense.

And, I also think for it to work it has to be a true handcuff, not simply a RBBC situation, where both players have limited value when both are healthy. I think it needs to be an all-or-nothing proposition.
Why do you want to commit to having dead money on your roster?
:shrug: I always have some "dead" money on my roster - guys who end up not scoring for my team. This year, I did grab RGIII, and for an extra $3 bought insurance for when he gets hurt. So I looked at more like buying the Redskins QB for $23 - which I thought was fair value. I liked that combo more than the less expensive Vick/Foles. With the flexible roster size, it seems smart to hedge certain bets.

 

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