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Super Bowl XLII MVP? (1 Viewer)
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Enforcer
Footballguy
Super bowl MVP has gone to multiple players several times. Could have easily gone to Strahan and Osi.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
I go for Tyree, so that's a none of the above.
Pots
Footballguy
Yes, and leave out Tuck?
Most Valuable PLAYER. Not Unit. Make a new award if you want the entire D-Line to get it.
Enforcer
Footballguy
Are you denying that it has gone to multiple players before? 1978 set the precedent for this when it went to Harvey Martin and Randy White.Edit: typoYes, and leave out Tuck?Most Valuable PLAYER. Not Unit. Make a new award if you want the entire D-Line to get it.
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Pots
Footballguy
I believe you to work on your reading comprehension.Are you denying that it has gone to multiple players before? 1978 set the president for this when it went to Harvey Martin and Randy White.Yes, and leave out Tuck?
Jimmy James
Footballguy
It has also gone to a player on the losing team if I remember correctly. Do you want to argue for a Patriot?Are you denying that it has gone to multiple players before? 1978 set the president for this when it went to Harvey Martin and Randy White.Yes, and leave out Tuck?
I just look at how the team would be affected without any of those players being there and performing to their best level tonight. And in my eyes Eli did that just well. The INT really wasn't even his fault. Sure it was a low pass, but that is why you get million dollars. That ball should of been caught and not tipped up in the air. Not to mention who did their job, when it was crunch time...it sure wasn't the defense. They let the Pats drive right down the field and score with ease. Eli with the game on the line stayed composed, made one of the greatest players in SB history to avoid a sack and deliver a ball to Tyree. Then hit Burress in endzone for GM score. Not taking anything away from the D, but Eli is well deserving of the honor.
Enforcer
Footballguy
A case could be made for Welker. He played well. I don't think Manning played that well. I think he threw up plenty of ducks for grabs off his back foot. That big play to Tyree was a prayer. Could have just as easily been intercepted. If that happens people question the decision making process and he gets compared to Favre. In a case like that I think the outcome is a poor metric. No way his coach wants him throwing up prayers like that every down. The duck that hit Samuel in the hands was even worse. I agree he made several nice throws, but it wasn't anything special that tons of other players couldn't have done.It has also gone to a player on the losing team if I remember correctly. Do you want to argue for a Patriot?Are you denying that it has gone to multiple players before? 1978 set the president for this when it went to Harvey Martin and Randy White.Yes, and leave out Tuck?
Little Lord Humpleroy
Footballguy
I disagree. Evading that sack won them the game. He did toss up a couple of ducks but when it really mattered he came through with an incredible play. That's what the MVP award is all about.A case could be made for Welker. He played well. I don't think Manning played that well. I think he threw up plenty of ducks for grabs off his back foot. That big play to Tyree was a prayer. Could have just as easily been intercepted. If that happens people question the decision making process and he gets compared to Favre. In a case like that I think the outcome is a poor metric. No way his coach wants him throwing up prayers like that every down. The duck that hit Samuel in the hands was even worse. I agree he made several nice throws, but it wasn't anything special that tons of other players couldn't have done.It has also gone to a player on the losing team if I remember correctly. Do you want to argue for a Patriot?Are you denying that it has gone to multiple players before? 1978 set the president for this when it went to Harvey Martin and Randy White.Yes, and leave out Tuck?
GregR_2
Footballguy
Harvey Martin and Randy White tied in the voting as individuals, so they were co-MVPs. They were not voted in as a group option such as you are proposing be done with the Giants D-line.Are you denying that it has gone to multiple players before? 1978 set the president for this when it went to Harvey Martin and Randy White.Yes, and leave out Tuck?
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
As an old lineman, I love to see either side of the trenches get love and Tuck's jersey is next one I'm buying. I hate the overreliance on primadonna slots in the distribution of these awards.
But that said, there has never been more of a Locky Lockerton from Lockville for this award than Elisha Manning tonight.
Every Giants fan gut sank when Moss caught that TD, and even moreso when Hixon was tackled so deep on that return. 2 minutes and change and 80 some odd yards inbetween a win and loss and there were amazing contributors on that drive, from Jacobs on 4th and 1, to Steve Smith's scurry to Plax and the TD and of course, one for the ages, Tyree's grab. But that drive and this night belongs to Eli and its not even close and their shouldn't be a second thought. He did what an MVP does. 4 of 5 third down passing eating 10 minutes to start the game and get it under control and get a lead, 2 4th quarter TD passes including the game winner.
ELI = MVP
But that said, there has never been more of a Locky Lockerton from Lockville for this award than Elisha Manning tonight.
Every Giants fan gut sank when Moss caught that TD, and even moreso when Hixon was tackled so deep on that return. 2 minutes and change and 80 some odd yards inbetween a win and loss and there were amazing contributors on that drive, from Jacobs on 4th and 1, to Steve Smith's scurry to Plax and the TD and of course, one for the ages, Tyree's grab. But that drive and this night belongs to Eli and its not even close and their shouldn't be a second thought. He did what an MVP does. 4 of 5 third down passing eating 10 minutes to start the game and get it under control and get a lead, 2 4th quarter TD passes including the game winner.
ELI = MVP
dcgangstas
Footballguy
I would have given it to Jason Tuck. He completely obliterated the interior of the Pats' offensive line.
Enforcer
Footballguy
Really? If they scored 45 points I might agree, but 17? Do you really feel your offense deserves more credit for this win than the defense?
Enforcer
Footballguy
I could buy into this. IMO giving it to one of the guys on the DL would have been better than giving it to Manning.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
As a unit, no. If you told me pick the most outstanding unit, I would vote the D. I think if Tuck picks up that final sack, he might have snuck in for a co-MVP. Its hard to give it to 4 guys and hard to narrow down to just 2. But when you narrow these awards down to one player, and really look at what Eli dialed up, I think its clear.Either way, I'm happy to have this debate!
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I was also thinking Tuck deserved it, but did not seriously think he would get it.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Going into the last drive, I would have picked Strahan, by a nose. The way Eli managed the clock, the clutch throws and the tremendous pressure he accomplished those things under, he was very deserving.
This was one of those times where you just can't look at the numbers and say, "OK, this is the guy." You actually have to understand a little about the game and then you realize there really was no other choice but to give it to Eli Manning.
This was one of those times where you just can't look at the numbers and say, "OK, this is the guy." You actually have to understand a little about the game and then you realize there really was no other choice but to give it to Eli Manning.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I would have voted for Tuck, but it's hard to argue with Eli after engineering the game-winning drive.
videoguy505
Footballguy
Early in the 4th I would have said a Giants defenseman, and I would have welcomed a split vote tie between any combo of Osi, Strahan, and Tuck, even after Eli led an 80-yard drive for the go-ahead score.
But then the Patriots came back against that D, and they gave up the lead, and Eli had to engineer a second 80-yard drive with 160 seconds left on the clock. A vote split with Eli and maybe Strahan, maybe I could see, but really have to give it to Eli after he bailed out the D for letting the Pats run all over them that series and letting Moss finally get open.
But then the Patriots came back against that D, and they gave up the lead, and Eli had to engineer a second 80-yard drive with 160 seconds left on the clock. A vote split with Eli and maybe Strahan, maybe I could see, but really have to give it to Eli after he bailed out the D for letting the Pats run all over them that series and letting Moss finally get open.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Eli deserved it. Giving the award of most valuable player to a unit is dumb.
You'd almost have to give it to the entire NY defense. The D-line played awesome and I dont know how you pick even 2 of them out, but the Giants linebackers shut down the run completely, and the DBs SOMEHOW kept the WRs silent for more than half the game, even thought they were still blitzing like crazy. I still dont know how that happened- the Giants DBs were unsung heroes of the game, particularly in the first half. Although for the record i blame part of that on the Patriots not adjusting soon enough and getting the ball out to Welker and Moss on quick hits like they did at the end of the game. Outcoached. Maybe Coughlin deserved the MVP.
Enforcer
Footballguy
I've read your posts in the FFA a few times so I guess I'm not surprised at your response. Anyone not a copy of you is "dumb".Who was more deserving?Eli Manning [ 29 ] [42.03%]NY Defensive line [ 40 ] [57.97%]Apparently more than half of the people voting in here are dumb in your eyes.
I wouldnt call it dumb, but it is a little silly. Its not the Most Valuable Players award. Picking multiple people is a complete contradiction of the point of the award. I'll take Justin Tuck, David Tyree, Eli Manning, and RW McQuarters. Why not?
nyftbl_giants
Footballguy
Eli = 
GregR_2
Footballguy
Eli is the only choice because it is an individual player award. As I told you in the other thread, the only time that there have been co-MVPs is when individual players tied for the top spot. There is no group vote.If you want to ask who should win a vote for MVP, and give Eli and the D-line as the choices, Eli should win the poll with 100% of the vote since MVP voters cannot vote for the other option.If you want to ask whether Eli or the Giants D-line played the bigger role in the victory, then that doesn't have anything to do with choosing a Super Bowl MVP, but could be a good poll.Enforcer said:
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Agreed. They kinda actually cancelled each other out. If either of those guys had the same game without the other lineman being equally dominant, the one guy probably gets the MVP. But since at least those 2 deserve it its hard to pick one over the other. I think Eli is a really safe, reasonable choice though. All the defense goes to waste if he doesnt lead 2 drives to take the lead... and honestly the most classic moments of this SB will be his. It also doesnt hurt that i think Steve Smith and David Tyree have a respectable case for MVP, which obviously they cant do without Manning.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I think Eli is more deserving of it this SB than Peyton was last SB.
I think that the issue was there were SO MANY deserving defensive players that it was not really possible to choose one (or even two).
I think Tuck, Umenyiora, and Strahan played very well, as did Butler, Pierce, and Mitchell. Several of those played better than Eli did, IMHO.
But the Most Valuable Giant award goes to Spagnuolo by a landslide.
I think Tuck, Umenyiora, and Strahan played very well, as did Butler, Pierce, and Mitchell. Several of those played better than Eli did, IMHO.
But the Most Valuable Giant award goes to Spagnuolo by a landslide.
rick6668
Footballguy
Next head coach of _____?
Enforcer
Footballguy
GregR said:
I guess there's no right or wrong answer. Perhaps the real issue is that "MVP" is often a question that can't be answered correctly. Giving "most valuable" credit to one player above others is folly in many cases. I still contend that quarterbacks get way too much credit along with way too much blame. Its the nature of the beast.
videoguy505
Footballguy
D played well for 55 minutes last night, but you're crazy if you "knew" the Giants had it in them to come back with 2:39 left down 4 after Moss caught the TD.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
The D-Line would've won MVU, but this is a poll about MVP 
And it's "precedent", not "president"
And it's "precedent", not "president"
Enforcer
Footballguy
I can't disagree with the concept, but I still think that Manning's play wasn't worthy. He got lucky on several plays instead of "making" a great play. Is this really in dispute? Did he not throw up prayers late in the game that could have had disastrous results?The D-Line would've won MVU, but this is a poll about MVP
Sorry. Appreciate the heads up on my typo.
nyftbl_giants
Footballguy
Coulda woulda shoulda, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a very merry christmas.The pressure of driving down the field to win the superbowl has to be enormous. Much more than that of a group or unit of defenders. The D line fed off each others play and no doubt a dominating performance. But the ball in your hands is another matter entirely.ELI =I can't disagree with the concept, but I still think that Manning's play wasn't worthy. He got lucky on several plays instead of "making" a great play. Is this really in dispute? Did he not throw up prayers late in the game that could have had disastrous results?The D-Line would've won MVU, but this is a poll about MVPSorry. Appreciate the heads up on my typo.
Wes Welker
Koya
Footballguy
Eli lead his team to go ahead scores twice in the 4th quarter. Each drive had some great throws, some heart palpitations and a huge play. The first ended with a Tyree TD where Manning thread the needle. The second came on a beautiful throw that had a good chance for TD regardless whether nor not the DB falls. And that second throw happened with 35 seconds on the clock.
If one member of the D line had say three sacks, ok - but Eli was the leader of the team, and their MVP today - although their D Line was by far their biggest strength as a unit.
If one member of the D line had say three sacks, ok - but Eli was the leader of the team, and their MVP today - although their D Line was by far their biggest strength as a unit.
videoguy505
Footballguy
The Giants were down by 4 in the 4th quarter, and needed a TD to take the lead, and had to go 80 yards to get it against one of the highest-rated defenses of the season. Twice. And Eli did it both times.
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